Transition from Read-Learned Knowledge to Experietial Knowledge-Realization

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Dear Sadhak Community

 

(1) Is the purpose of this forum only to discuss the meaning behind

Gita slokas? and / or

(2) interpreting the slokas or the spirit behind them to lead a

peaceful practical life?

 

(By practical life, I mean one living the normal life while in the

quest for God, Gita does not shun the karma, but the attachment

towards it)

 

While I understand both are important, Gita is directing its readers

like us to grow from Tatwa vaadibhi (one who reads and discusses

about the essential element) to tatva darsibhi (one who sees or

practices the knowledge / 'sat').

 

I am particularly and practically interested in this transition,

because some of the comments from my fellow sadhaks like 'then the

soul leaves the body','everything has nothing, while nothing has

every thing' while the same people are also suggesting 'no one may

have seen God'

 

'Tatvadarsibhi' (who sees or practices the knowledge / 'sat') is

referred in Gita 2:16 of Sankhya Yoga. Geetha charya suggests in

this sloka the sadhak to be tattva darsibhi (by sticking /

practicing to the 'sat') rather than being tattva vadibhi (talking

about the 'sat'). There is no direct reference to 'tattva vaadibhi'

here.

 

Let me know your views on the transition.

 

Regards

Venu Komanduri

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Dear Sadhak Community

 

(1) Is the purpose of this forum only to discuss the meaning behind

Gita slokas? and / or

(2) interpreting the slokas or the spirit behind them to lead a

peaceful practical life?

 

(By practical life, I mean one living the normal life while in the

quest for God, Gita does not shun the karma, but the attachment

towards it)

 

While I understand both are important, Gita is directing its readers

like us to grow from Tatwa vaadibhi (one who reads and discusses

about the essential element) to tatva darsibhi (one who sees or

practices the knowledge / 'sat').

 

I am particularly and practically interested in this transition,

because some of the comments from my fellow sadhaks like 'then the

soul leaves the body','everything has nothing, while nothing has

every thing' while the same people are also suggesting 'no one may

have seen God'

 

'Tatvadarsibhi' (who sees or practices the knowledge / 'sat') is

referred in Gita 2:16 of Sankhya Yoga. Geetha charya suggests in

this sloka the sadhak to be tattva darsibhi (by sticking /

practicing to the 'sat') rather than being tattva vadibhi (talking

about the 'sat'). There is no direct reference to 'tattva vaadibhi'

here.

 

Let me know your views on the transition.

 

Regards

Venu Komanduri

 

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Hari Om

 

The very existence is " SAT " . Those who have experienced the

characteristics of " SAT " and ever changing function of nature-

" ASAT " , they in practice experience " their obvious , self proven,

natural, automatic positioning in the existence viz SAT . In their

experience there is nothing known as ASAT existing. In other words

in their experience only SAT is existing- nothing else is existing.

 

Such great people are called " tattva darshibhih " . In their

experience only their positioning in SAT- imperishable, permanent,

ever present existence- remains. Through that positioning they get

highest rewards.

 

In BG 2:16- the term " ubhayorapi " -

represents " conscience " ! " Antah " - represents " element

knowledge " !! " Drishtah " - represents " experience " !!!

 

Meaning thereby that " conscience has transformed ( " transition " term

as used by the questioner) in to the experiential knowledge and now

what has remained is SAT - existence only! This is the highest state

of Jnana Yoga!! The Highest reward!

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

" The unreal has no existence. " (Gita 2:16). Swamiji has been very

clear about this... " Real " (Sat) is our natural state. Natural is

what needs no effort. It is ever attained. It simply IS. Be situate

in it.

 

The essence (Real) is always there - will always be there. The real

is not created. The unreal is created from the Real, stays in the

real and then merges in the real. It has no existence of its own.

One has to simply give importance to ones own experience. No need

to believe in the scriptures. Your existence always IS. What is NOT

can never exist. The IS always remains IS. To experience 'I AM', no

effort is required. No practice.

 

There is no doubt of our existence. The real essence is our

existence. The base, the foundation of all appearance - of all

creation. That is Paramatma (Supreme Consciousness,God).

 

Meera Das

Ram Ram

 

 

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This is the sanest stuff I heard in a while!

 

Hare Krishna!

Gurunath Prakash

 

 

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GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES:

1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts

related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further

clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted.

2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to

substantiate your response.

3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the

extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas

4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting

sadhaka's time.

5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only.

6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other

organizations.

7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone

number, address etc.

8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual

since the message is going to the entire group.

9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted.

10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content

is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group.

11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth,

westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit

words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed

wherever possible.

 

MODERATOR

Ram Ram

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