Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 :Shree Hari: Ram Ram Manyavar, I have a dilemma. Which type of " japa " (divine name repetition) is better. 1. One round with holy beads (mala) performed one time, sitting in silence in one place or 2. Whenever the mind thinks about japa, done anytime, in whatever state, while walking, strolling, doing work, and which is not tracked (counted) but is more than one round of holy beads (mala). Yours, Anant IN HINDI Ek duvidha hai. Kaun sa Jaap jaata aacha hai 1. Siimit Mala Jaap jaise ki 1 mala ek baar ek jagah beth kar kiya ho 2. jab man me aaye Jaap jo ki kabhi bhi kiya ho or kissi bhi avastha mein jaise chalte phirthe, kaam karte kiya jaye or uski counting na ki jaaye par 1 mala se adhik ho Aapka Anant -------------------------- Shree Hari Ram Ram Has Bhagavad Gita alluded to Japa (with or without beads) anywhere? Please point out specific shloka (verse) in the Gita and significance of Japa. Gita Talk Moderators' Addition Ram Ram ----------------------------- Please review Gita Talk guidesline prior to posting a reply - GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate your response. 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting sadhaka's time. 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other organizations. 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. MODERATOR Ram Ram ------------------------ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 :Shree Hari: Ram Ram Manyavar, I have a dilemma. Which type of " japa " (divine name repetition) is better. 1. One round with holy beads (mala) performed one time, sitting in silence in one place or 2. Whenever the mind thinks about japa, done anytime, in whatever state, while walking, strolling, doing work, and which is not tracked (counted) but is more than one round of holy beads (mala). Yours, Anant IN HINDI Ek duvidha hai. Kaun sa Jaap jaata aacha hai 1. Siimit Mala Jaap jaise ki 1 mala ek baar ek jagah beth kar kiya ho 2. jab man me aaye Jaap jo ki kabhi bhi kiya ho or kissi bhi avastha mein jaise chalte phirthe, kaam karte kiya jaye or uski counting na ki jaaye par 1 mala se adhik ho Aapka Anant -------------------------- Shree Hari Ram Ram Has Bhagavad Gita alluded to Japa (with or without beads) anywhere? Please point out specific shloka (verse) in the Gita and significance of Japa. Gita Talk Moderators' Addition Ram Ram ----------------------------- NEW POSTING Ram , Ram Dear practioner/ers, Mantras as advised best for kaliyuga age " Ram, Ram " , or " Hare Ram Hare Ram, Ram, Ram, Hare Hare , Hare Krishna Hare krishna , Krishna, Krishna Hare Hare " (Please see " Gita press " " Kalikoupnishad " , or as advised by " Sadhna Sudha Sindhu " by his holiness revered " Sant Shree Swami ramsukhdasji " of Gita press). These Mantras can be done in any time, stage etc, even while in toilet, ( please out of respect for god dont do it in Toilet). For other mantras like gayatri, or any beej mantra etc, many restrictions are there ie after bath, not to have, or eat onion, garlic, carrot, beetroot, radish, non-veg, alcohol in any form, not to touch leather items, restraining like celibacy. practising truthfulness, non-violence etc ie mantras said in this para have restrictions as said above. and in kaliyug sauch, niyama, bramhacharya, yam , yoga is not or cannot be practised because all is in pollutted state of environment, mental control, truthfulness etc. The " Ram, Ram " mantra or " Hare Ram....Hare Krishna " , " mantra " can be also done on a tulsi mala but after bathing etc only. but you can repeat these mantras day and night doing anything in world , ie literally speaking , even in Toilet (beware of your karmas, because god will,punish you for bad ones even if you practise these mantras. Got it.) Ram, Ram sajjan, Kalrav Pande ---------------------------- Chanting the divine name in the mind with eyes closed leads to meditation and uniting with the Self.This can be achieved only when the mind is calm and free from worldly desires and entanglements. Hari Shanker Deo ------------------------------ Dear Sadhak, Start with any one either japa or mantra the rest will follow, The mind will tell u which one will suit you. Our Conscious our Guru because parmatma live there. In spiritual path there is no clear way which one is better, only jumping to one and submerging will help thanks and regards Shiva Kumar Please review Gita Talk guidesline prior to posting a reply - GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate your response. 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting sadhaka's time. 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other organizations. 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. MODERATOR Ram Ram ------------------------ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 :Shree Hari: Ram Ram Manyavar, I have a dilemma. Which type of " japa " (divine name repetition) is better. 1. One round with holy beads (mala) performed one time, sitting in silence in one place or 2. Whenever the mind thinks about japa, done anytime, in whatever state, while walking, strolling, doing work, and which is not tracked (counted) but is more than one round of holy beads (mala). Yours, Anant IN HINDI Ek duvidha hai. Kaun sa Jaap jaata aacha hai 1. Siimit Mala Jaap jaise ki 1 mala ek baar ek jagah beth kar kiya ho 2. jab man me aaye Jaap jo ki kabhi bhi kiya ho or kissi bhi avastha mein jaise chalte phirthe, kaam karte kiya jaye or uski counting na ki jaaye par 1 mala se adhik ho Aapka Anant -------------------------- Shree Hari Ram Ram Has Bhagavad Gita alluded to Japa (with or without beads) anywhere? Please point out specific shloka (verse) in the Gita and significance of Japa. Gita Talk Moderators' Addition Ram Ram ----------------------------- NEW POSTING Dear Sadaks, Mantra/Japa comes automatically after desire to seek GOD. With No such desire Mantra or Japa is like any other noise. Jai Sri Krishna baiya sathyanarayan ---------------------------- Hari Om. Anjaneya is supposed to be seeranjeevi.(immmortal) He is supposed to be chanting Rama's name always. Krushna was praying Vishnu maya, mahashakthi; He used to wake up at 4 a.m.in the morning and chant AJBHA GAYATHRI; ANJANEYA IS ALSO CHANTING THE SAME. We are fortunate if we do the same thing what krushna did!!! AJHABHA GAYATHRI ----its chanting aksharam through our pranayama. There is no japamala etc. This alone can make us live a long life free from lust,greed and filth. In the olden days Rishis like Dhasaradha chanted the same and lived a long life. Hari Om. Usha Sridhar ----------------------------- Dear sadaks, A beginner starts one time pooja with mala of beeds. When one gets involved more and more it leads to japa in all times of life. Just watching cricket casually now and then leads to addiction to it. Anything is so, like playing cards watching TV Etc. The mind if gets involved in a certain act with concentration, leading to likeing of the same act. This is said in Vivekachudami of Sri Adi Sankara, as the mind with involvement, forms channel of thick thoughts (Same thought liked again and again) leading to Vasana which is NOT easily removable. So it is the mind concept designed by GOD. One can use the mind for divinity or touch, taste, sight, talk, hearing etc.for worldly passions. Jai Sri Krishna baiya sathyanarayan ----------------------------- Manyavars, If one practises Japa while concentrating on other work like driving a scooter or a car, one will automatically get headache. Simply it cannot be done with concentration elsewhere.One has to concentrate at the point of one's life, i.e., the heart. This is what my feeling goes.Regards to all. Barin Chatterjee -------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Ram , Ram Dear practioner/ers, Mantras as advised best for kaliyuga age " Ram, Ram " , or " Hare Ram Hare Ram, Ram, Ram, Hare Hare , Hare Krishna Hare krishna , Krishna, Krishna Hare Hare " (Please see " Gita press " " Kalikoupnishad " , or as advised by " Sadhna Sudha Sindhu " by his holiness revered " Sant Shree Swami ramsukhdasji " of Gita press). These Mantras can be done in any time, stage etc, even while in toilet, ( please out of respect for god dont do it in Toilet). For other mantras like gayatri, or any beej mantra etc, many restrictions are there ie after bath, not to have, or eat onion, garlic, carrot, beetroot, radish, non-veg, alcohol in any form, not to touch leather items, restraining like celibacy. practising truthfulness, non-violence etc ie mantras said in this para have restrictions as said above. and in kaliyug sauch, niyama, bramhacharya, yam , yoga is not or cannot be practised because all is in pollutted state of environment, mental control, truthfulness etc. The " Ram, Ram " mantra or " Hare Ram....Hare Krishna " , " mantra " can be also done on a tulsi mala but after bathing etc only. but you can repeat these mantras day and night doing anything in world , ie literally speaking , even in Toilet (beware of your karmas, because god will,punish you for bad ones even if you practise these mantras. Got it.) Ram, Ram sajjan, Kalrav Pande ---------------------------- Chanting the divine name in the mind with eyes closed leads to meditation and uniting with the Self.This can be achieved only when the mind is calm and free from worldly desires and entanglements. Hari Shanker Deo ------------------------------ Dear Sadhak, Start with any one either japa or mantra the rest will follow, The mind will tell u which one will suit you. Our Conscious our Guru because parmatma live there. In spiritual path there is no clear way which one is better, only jumping to one and submerging will help thanks and regards Shiva Kumar Please review Gita Talk guidesline prior to posting a reply - GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate your response. 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting sadhaka's time. 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other organizations. 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. 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Guest guest Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 :Shree Hari: Ram Ram Manyavar, I have a dilemma. Which type of " japa " (divine name repetition) is better. 1. One round with holy beads (mala) performed one time, sitting in silence in one place or 2. Whenever the mind thinks about japa, done anytime, in whatever state, while walking, strolling, doing work, and which is not tracked (counted) but is more than one round of holy beads (mala). Yours, Anant IN HINDI Ek duvidha hai. Kaun sa Jaap jaata aacha hai 1. Siimit Mala Jaap jaise ki 1 mala ek baar ek jagah beth kar kiya ho 2. jab man me aaye Jaap jo ki kabhi bhi kiya ho or kissi bhi avastha mein jaise chalte phirthe, kaam karte kiya jaye or uski counting na ki jaaye par 1 mala se adhik ho Aapka Anant -------------------------- Shree Hari Ram Ram Has Bhagavad Gita alluded to Japa (with or without beads) anywhere? Please point out specific shloka (verse) in the Gita and significance of Japa. Gita Talk Moderators' Addition Ram Ram ----------------------------- NEW POSTING Hari Om Any chanting of Divine name, any mantra for any number of times is in itself a great Karma. It never fails to produce " sattwikness " in you. But only a " great karma " It is not yet " divine karma " - however much quantity there may be of mantra/naam japa !! How to convert this " great Karma " into " Divine Karma " ? Become of God !! There should not be over insistence on naam/mantra Japa alone. If you have to insist then you should insist on the " mineness with Paramatma " . If you " become " of God , thereafter whether you indulge in Naam Japa or you indulge in your " duties " , it hardly matters. A traditional Indian wife never utters the name of her husband throughout her life (even after the death of her husband) ! What binds her to husband is " mineness " . Similarly once you establish " mineness with Paramatma " , everything is done. Thereafter whenever you are free , you may indulge in naam/mantra japa. Yardstick: You don't do " japa " - it happens automatically. One step further- WHATEVER you do is " japa " only !! Says Goswami Tulsidasji " Hohi Raam ko naam japi, Tulsi taji kusamaaj " First " become " of Raam( God) and then chant (japa) His Divine Name and renounce bad company.(Renounce bad company means- Doosara na koi- nothing else is mine- the world is not mine ) This is key. Rest all - quality/quantity/type/frequency of Mantra / Divine name, beads, which mantra, which name, which way, fasting, sitting before deity, meditation, holy dips, visiting sacred places, penances, sacrifices, renunciations, service, charities etc etc are secondary. Primary is " Mere to Girdhar Gopal , Doosaro na koi " . Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B --------------------------- from what i have gathered or heard we should attain the mental stability where there will be peace and automatically the meditation happen. my guruji always says you can eat meditatively, sleep meditatively, drink milk or coffee meditatively and speak meditatively. you can be in the meditative state all the time provided you are able to control your mind. so get that state chant a mantra which you feel is good for you. i do this even in mid of traffic jam. i feel happy instead of getting irritated bcos i get some time to think about god and chant his mantra Shoba Sarathy -------------------------- you & only you are the best judge to find out what suits you the best hari bol BP Taneja -------------------------- what is ajapa gayatri prabha garella --------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Dear Sadaks, Mantra/Japa comes automatically after desire to seek GOD. With No such desire Mantra or Japa is like any other noise. Jai Sri Krishna baiya sathyanarayan ---------------------------- Hari Om. Anjaneya is supposed to be seeranjeevi.(immmortal) He is supposed to be chanting Rama's name always. Krushna was praying Vishnu maya, mahashakthi; He used to wake up at 4 a.m.in the morning and chant AJBHA GAYATHRI; ANJANEYA IS ALSO CHANTING THE SAME. We are fortunate if we do the same thing what krushna did!!! AJHABHA GAYATHRI ----its chanting aksharam through our pranayama. There is no japamala etc. This alone can make us live a long life free from lust,greed and filth. In the olden days Rishis like Dhasaradha chanted the same and lived a long life. Hari Om. Usha Sridhar ----------------------------- Dear sadaks, A beginner starts one time pooja with mala of beeds. When one gets involved more and more it leads to japa in all times of life. Just watching cricket casually now and then leads to addiction to it. Anything is so, like playing cards watching TV Etc. The mind if gets involved in a certain act with concentration, leading to likeing of the same act. This is said in Vivekachudami of Sri Adi Sankara, as the mind with involvement, forms channel of thick thoughts (Same thought liked again and again) leading to Vasana which is NOT easily removable. So it is the mind concept designed by GOD. One can use the mind for divinity or touch, taste, sight, talk, hearing etc.for worldly passions. Jai Sri Krishna baiya sathyanarayan ----------------------------- Manyavars, If one practises Japa while concentrating on other work like driving a scooter or a car, one will automatically get headache. Simply it cannot be done with concentration elsewhere.One has to concentrate at the point of one's life, i.e., the heart. This is what my feeling goes.Regards to all. Barin Chatterjee -------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Ram , Ram Dear practioner/ers, Mantras as advised best for kaliyuga age " Ram, Ram " , or " Hare Ram Hare Ram, Ram, Ram, Hare Hare , Hare Krishna Hare krishna , Krishna, Krishna Hare Hare " (Please see " Gita press " " Kalikoupnishad " , or as advised by " Sadhna Sudha Sindhu " by his holiness revered " Sant Shree Swami ramsukhdasji " of Gita press). These Mantras can be done in any time, stage etc, even while in toilet, ( please out of respect for god dont do it in Toilet). For other mantras like gayatri, or any beej mantra etc, many restrictions are there ie after bath, not to have, or eat onion, garlic, carrot, beetroot, radish, non-veg, alcohol in any form, not to touch leather items, restraining like celibacy. practising truthfulness, non-violence etc ie mantras said in this para have restrictions as said above. and in kaliyug sauch, niyama, bramhacharya, yam , yoga is not or cannot be practised because all is in pollutted state of environment, mental control, truthfulness etc. The " Ram, Ram " mantra or " Hare Ram....Hare Krishna " , " mantra " can be also done on a tulsi mala but after bathing etc only. but you can repeat these mantras day and night doing anything in world , ie literally speaking , even in Toilet (beware of your karmas, because god will,punish you for bad ones even if you practise these mantras. Got it.) Ram, Ram sajjan, Kalrav Pande ---------------------------- Chanting the divine name in the mind with eyes closed leads to meditation and uniting with the Self.This can be achieved only when the mind is calm and free from worldly desires and entanglements. Hari Shanker Deo ------------------------------ Dear Sadhak, Start with any one either japa or mantra the rest will follow, The mind will tell u which one will suit you. Our Conscious our Guru because parmatma live there. In spiritual path there is no clear way which one is better, only jumping to one and submerging will help thanks and regards Shiva Kumar Please review Gita Talk guidesline prior to posting a reply - GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate your response. 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting sadhaka's time. 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other organizations. 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. 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Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 :Shree Hari: Ram Ram Manyavar, I have a dilemma. Which type of " japa " (divine name repetition) is better. 1. One round with holy beads (mala) performed one time, sitting in silence in one place or 2. Whenever the mind thinks about japa, done anytime, in whatever state, while walking, strolling, doing work, and which is not tracked (counted) but is more than one round of holy beads (mala). Yours, Anant IN HINDI Ek duvidha hai. Kaun sa Jaap jaata aacha hai 1. Siimit Mala Jaap jaise ki 1 mala ek baar ek jagah beth kar kiya ho 2. jab man me aaye Jaap jo ki kabhi bhi kiya ho or kissi bhi avastha mein jaise chalte phirthe, kaam karte kiya jaye or uski counting na ki jaaye par 1 mala se adhik ho Aapka Anant -------------------------- Shree Hari Ram Ram Has Bhagavad Gita alluded to Japa (with or without beads) anywhere? Please point out specific shloka (verse) in the Gita and significance of Japa. Gita Talk Moderators' Addition Ram Ram ----------------------------- NEW POSTING My dandavat pranams to all in this forum..... I have heard many times one beautiful story of Hanuman and Lord Ramachandra. Hanuman was friends with one bhakta, who would always chant " Rama, Rama " . Always and everywhere, this bhakta would chant. One time, while passing stool, the bhakta was chanting, and Hanuman was annoyed. He decided to kick the person. Later that day, he saw his beloved Rama. Rama was groaning in pain, holding his back. Hanuman inquired, " what has happened? " Lord Ramachandra said, " Oh, you have done this to me " . Hanuman inquired, " I??? " Lord Rama explained, " Because I am not different from my Name, when my bhakta was chanting my Name, I was persnally present there. You should not have kicked him....actually, as I was present, you have kicked me " . Always the holy Name is pure, never contaminated by any condition. There is no higher or lower method, only we have to know within our own heart if we are giving our love to the Name. In truth, the Holy Name is chanting us. We are being allowed, by the Name Himself, to serve that transcendental sound vibration. There is also another short story, one time a muslim was gored by a bull. While dying, he was calling out, " Ha ram! Ha ram! " (meaning " how horrible " ) He attained the abode of Lord Rama upon leaving his body, because the power of the holy Name is such that even if unknowingly, one calls out the Name, the effect is still there. Whether one chants with knowledge or without, the Name is so merciful, the effect will take place. One should never think that if a person is inattentive, or chanting in a mimicking way, that there is no effect. Just as fire will cause it's presence to be known, whether one is aware or not, the holy Name will burn the contaminations from our sinful heart, whether we recognize this to be happening or not. Respectfully, Mahalaksmi Dasi --------------------------- Ram Ram usually we get so many opinions on any topics at any discussion group that the person who wants an answer ends up at the same point where he started !! it is suggested that after a month or so moderator should summarize the answer and provide only ONE ANSWER to sadhaka and close the subject matter. the moderator can take help from other jnaanis in Rishikesh to come up with a definitive and practical answer. this is just my humble opinion and suggestion. hariom Roy ----------------------------- Shree Hari Ram Ram HARI ANANT, HARI KATHA ANANT ONE PARAMAATMAA, MANY PATHS... We have had the exact same thoughts, however struggled a bit summarizing, due to possibility of mistating what sadhaks meant, missing important learnings while summarizing and also picking the one best definitive and practical answer. Sadhaks your input in regards to how we can provide a single practical answer or any other improvement opportunities is most welcome. Gita Talk Moderators Ram Ram ----------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Hari Om Any chanting of Divine name, any mantra for any number of times is in itself a great Karma. It never fails to produce " sattwikness " in you. But only a " great karma " It is not yet " divine karma " - however much quantity there may be of mantra/naam japa !! How to convert this " great Karma " into " Divine Karma " ? Become of God !! There should not be over insistence on naam/mantra Japa alone. If you have to insist then you should insist on the " mineness with Paramatma " . If you " become " of God , thereafter whether you indulge in Naam Japa or you indulge in your " duties " , it hardly matters. A traditional Indian wife never utters the name of her husband throughout her life (even after the death of her husband) ! What binds her to husband is " mineness " . Similarly once you establish " mineness with Paramatma " , everything is done. Thereafter whenever you are free , you may indulge in naam/mantra japa. Yardstick: You don't do " japa " - it happens automatically. One step further- WHATEVER you do is " japa " only !! Says Goswami Tulsidasji " Hohi Raam ko naam japi, Tulsi taji kusamaaj " First " become " of Raam( God) and then chant (japa) His Divine Name and renounce bad company.(Renounce bad company means- Doosara na koi- nothing else is mine- the world is not mine ) This is key. Rest all - quality/quantity/type/frequency of Mantra / Divine name, beads, which mantra, which name, which way, fasting, sitting before deity, meditation, holy dips, visiting sacred places, penances, sacrifices, renunciations, service, charities etc etc are secondary. Primary is " Mere to Girdhar Gopal , Doosaro na koi " . Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B --------------------------- from what i have gathered or heard we should attain the mental stability where there will be peace and automatically the meditation happen. my guruji always says you can eat meditatively, sleep meditatively, drink milk or coffee meditatively and speak meditatively. you can be in the meditative state all the time provided you are able to control your mind. so get that state chant a mantra which you feel is good for you. i do this even in mid of traffic jam. i feel happy instead of getting irritated bcos i get some time to think about god and chant his mantra Shoba Sarathy -------------------------- you & only you are the best judge to find out what suits you the best hari bol BP Taneja -------------------------- what is ajapa gayatri prabha garella --------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Dear Sadaks, Mantra/Japa comes automatically after desire to seek GOD. With No such desire Mantra or Japa is like any other noise. Jai Sri Krishna baiya sathyanarayan ---------------------------- Hari Om. Anjaneya is supposed to be seeranjeevi.(immmortal) He is supposed to be chanting Rama's name always. Krushna was praying Vishnu maya, mahashakthi; He used to wake up at 4 a.m.in the morning and chant AJBHA GAYATHRI; ANJANEYA IS ALSO CHANTING THE SAME. We are fortunate if we do the same thing what krushna did!!! AJHABHA GAYATHRI ----its chanting aksharam through our pranayama. There is no japamala etc. This alone can make us live a long life free from lust,greed and filth. In the olden days Rishis like Dhasaradha chanted the same and lived a long life. Hari Om. Usha Sridhar ----------------------------- Dear sadaks, A beginner starts one time pooja with mala of beeds. When one gets involved more and more it leads to japa in all times of life. Just watching cricket casually now and then leads to addiction to it. Anything is so, like playing cards watching TV Etc. The mind if gets involved in a certain act with concentration, leading to likeing of the same act. This is said in Vivekachudami of Sri Adi Sankara, as the mind with involvement, forms channel of thick thoughts (Same thought liked again and again) leading to Vasana which is NOT easily removable. So it is the mind concept designed by GOD. One can use the mind for divinity or touch, taste, sight, talk, hearing etc.for worldly passions. Jai Sri Krishna baiya sathyanarayan ----------------------------- Manyavars, If one practises Japa while concentrating on other work like driving a scooter or a car, one will automatically get headache. Simply it cannot be done with concentration elsewhere.One has to concentrate at the point of one's life, i.e., the heart. This is what my feeling goes.Regards to all. Barin Chatterjee -------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Ram , Ram Dear practioner/ers, Mantras as advised best for kaliyuga age " Ram, Ram " , or " Hare Ram Hare Ram, Ram, Ram, Hare Hare , Hare Krishna Hare krishna , Krishna, Krishna Hare Hare " (Please see " Gita press " " Kalikoupnishad " , or as advised by " Sadhna Sudha Sindhu " by his holiness revered " Sant Shree Swami ramsukhdasji " of Gita press). These Mantras can be done in any time, stage etc, even while in toilet, ( please out of respect for god dont do it in Toilet). For other mantras like gayatri, or any beej mantra etc, many restrictions are there ie after bath, not to have, or eat onion, garlic, carrot, beetroot, radish, non-veg, alcohol in any form, not to touch leather items, restraining like celibacy. practising truthfulness, non-violence etc ie mantras said in this para have restrictions as said above. and in kaliyug sauch, niyama, bramhacharya, yam , yoga is not or cannot be practised because all is in pollutted state of environment, mental control, truthfulness etc. The " Ram, Ram " mantra or " Hare Ram....Hare Krishna " , " mantra " can be also done on a tulsi mala but after bathing etc only. but you can repeat these mantras day and night doing anything in world , ie literally speaking , even in Toilet (beware of your karmas, because god will,punish you for bad ones even if you practise these mantras. Got it.) Ram, Ram sajjan, Kalrav Pande ---------------------------- Chanting the divine name in the mind with eyes closed leads to meditation and uniting with the Self.This can be achieved only when the mind is calm and free from worldly desires and entanglements. Hari Shanker Deo ------------------------------ Dear Sadhak, Start with any one either japa or mantra the rest will follow, The mind will tell u which one will suit you. Our Conscious our Guru because parmatma live there. In spiritual path there is no clear way which one is better, only jumping to one and submerging will help thanks and regards Shiva Kumar Please review Gita Talk guidesline prior to posting a reply - GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate your response. 3. 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Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 :Shree Hari: Ram Ram Manyavar, I have a dilemma. Which type of " japa " (divine name repetition) is better. 1. One round with holy beads (mala) performed one time, sitting in silence in one place or 2. Whenever the mind thinks about japa, done anytime, in whatever state, while walking, strolling, doing work, and which is not tracked (counted) but is more than one round of holy beads (mala). Yours, Anant IN HINDI Ek duvidha hai. Kaun sa Jaap jaata aacha hai 1. Siimit Mala Jaap jaise ki 1 mala ek baar ek jagah beth kar kiya ho 2. jab man me aaye Jaap jo ki kabhi bhi kiya ho or kissi bhi avastha mein jaise chalte phirthe, kaam karte kiya jaye or uski counting na ki jaaye par 1 mala se adhik ho Aapka Anant -------------------------- Shree Hari Ram Ram Has Bhagavad Gita alluded to Japa (with or without beads) anywhere? Please point out specific shloka (verse) in the Gita and significance of Japa. Gita Talk Moderators' Addition Ram Ram ----------------------------- NEW POSTING Shree Hari || Ram Ram || Dear Anantji, thanks for a good question! May I please ask a question, why do you want to do Naam Japa ? Is it for love of God only? Is it for some other reason? According to Swamiji Maharaj, the action (Kriya), the method, time or place are not important, it is the " Bhava " or the feeling / sentiments only which is important. The best way is to perform Japa for the pleasure of God only and not for ourselves. The goal is to get to the stage where Japa becomes " Ajapa Jaap " (Happening on its own, do not have to do it). I heard there was a person in a hospital while in coma, Japa was going on its own. Japa is most effective when we get immersed with the feeling that 'we are God's' and/or 'God as our own' and also are remembering the form the chosen deity. For example, the mother remembers the child, she does not need any effort for this practice, does not use any beads, constantly thinking of her child. The Gopis of Vrindaban were thinking of and seeing Lord Krishna everywhere all the time, they did not need any Mala or the count there of, they were unmindful of the time or the place or the activity they were engaged in doing routine household chores. Lord Krishna says that among the Yajnas and I am the Japa Yajna (Gita: 10-25) (References: Gita 4-11, 9-27), Sadhan- Sudha-Sindhu, Pg. 70 ...). Humble regards, Madan Kaura --------------------------- THANQ VENKATA BHAGAVAN --------------------------- PRIOR POSTING My dandavat pranams to all in this forum..... I have heard many times one beautiful story of Hanuman and Lord Ramachandra. Hanuman was friends with one bhakta, who would always chant " Rama, Rama " . Always and everywhere, this bhakta would chant. One time, while passing stool, the bhakta was chanting, and Hanuman was annoyed. He decided to kick the person. Later that day, he saw his beloved Rama. Rama was groaning in pain, holding his back. Hanuman inquired, " what has happened? " Lord Ramachandra said, " Oh, you have done this to me " . Hanuman inquired, " I??? " Lord Rama explained, " Because I am not different from my Name, when my bhakta was chanting my Name, I was persnally present there. You should not have kicked him....actually, as I was present, you have kicked me " . Always the holy Name is pure, never contaminated by any condition. There is no higher or lower method, only we have to know within our own heart if we are giving our love to the Name. In truth, the Holy Name is chanting us. We are being allowed, by the Name Himself, to serve that transcendental sound vibration. There is also another short story, one time a muslim was gored by a bull. While dying, he was calling out, " Ha ram! Ha ram! " (meaning " how horrible " ) He attained the abode of Lord Rama upon leaving his body, because the power of the holy Name is such that even if unknowingly, one calls out the Name, the effect is still there. Whether one chants with knowledge or without, the Name is so merciful, the effect will take place. One should never think that if a person is inattentive, or chanting in a mimicking way, that there is no effect. Just as fire will cause it's presence to be known, whether one is aware or not, the holy Name will burn the contaminations from our sinful heart, whether we recognize this to be happening or not. Respectfully, Mahalaksmi Dasi --------------------------- Ram Ram usually we get so many opinions on any topics at any discussion group that the person who wants an answer ends up at the same point where he started !! it is suggested that after a month or so moderator should summarize the answer and provide only ONE ANSWER to sadhaka and close the subject matter. the moderator can take help from other jnaanis in Rishikesh to come up with a definitive and practical answer. this is just my humble opinion and suggestion. hariom Roy ----------------------------- Shree Hari Ram Ram HARI ANANT, HARI KATHA ANANT ONE PARAMAATMAA, MANY PATHS... We have had the exact same thoughts, however struggled a bit summarizing, due to possibility of mistating what sadhaks meant, missing important learnings while summarizing and also picking the one best definitive and practical answer. Sadhaks your input in regards to how we can provide a single practical answer or any other improvement opportunities is most welcome. Gita Talk Moderators Ram Ram ----------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Hari Om Any chanting of Divine name, any mantra for any number of times is in itself a great Karma. It never fails to produce " sattwikness " in you. But only a " great karma " It is not yet " divine karma " - however much quantity there may be of mantra/naam japa !! How to convert this " great Karma " into " Divine Karma " ? Become of God !! There should not be over insistence on naam/mantra Japa alone. If you have to insist then you should insist on the " mineness with Paramatma " . If you " become " of God , thereafter whether you indulge in Naam Japa or you indulge in your " duties " , it hardly matters. A traditional Indian wife never utters the name of her husband throughout her life (even after the death of her husband) ! What binds her to husband is " mineness " . Similarly once you establish " mineness with Paramatma " , everything is done. Thereafter whenever you are free , you may indulge in naam/mantra japa. Yardstick: You don't do " japa " - it happens automatically. One step further- WHATEVER you do is " japa " only !! Says Goswami Tulsidasji " Hohi Raam ko naam japi, Tulsi taji kusamaaj " First " become " of Raam( God) and then chant (japa) His Divine Name and renounce bad company.(Renounce bad company means- Doosara na koi- nothing else is mine- the world is not mine ) This is key. Rest all - quality/quantity/type/frequency of Mantra / Divine name, beads, which mantra, which name, which way, fasting, sitting before deity, meditation, holy dips, visiting sacred places, penances, sacrifices, renunciations, service, charities etc etc are secondary. Primary is " Mere to Girdhar Gopal , Doosaro na koi " . Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B --------------------------- from what i have gathered or heard we should attain the mental stability where there will be peace and automatically the meditation happen. my guruji always says you can eat meditatively, sleep meditatively, drink milk or coffee meditatively and speak meditatively. you can be in the meditative state all the time provided you are able to control your mind. so get that state chant a mantra which you feel is good for you. i do this even in mid of traffic jam. i feel happy instead of getting irritated bcos i get some time to think about god and chant his mantra Shoba Sarathy -------------------------- you & only you are the best judge to find out what suits you the best hari bol BP Taneja -------------------------- what is ajapa gayatri prabha garella --------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Dear Sadaks, Mantra/Japa comes automatically after desire to seek GOD. With No such desire Mantra or Japa is like any other noise. Jai Sri Krishna baiya sathyanarayan ---------------------------- Hari Om. Anjaneya is supposed to be seeranjeevi.(immmortal) He is supposed to be chanting Rama's name always. Krushna was praying Vishnu maya, mahashakthi; He used to wake up at 4 a.m.in the morning and chant AJBHA GAYATHRI; ANJANEYA IS ALSO CHANTING THE SAME. We are fortunate if we do the same thing what krushna did!!! AJHABHA GAYATHRI ----its chanting aksharam through our pranayama. There is no japamala etc. This alone can make us live a long life free from lust,greed and filth. In the olden days Rishis like Dhasaradha chanted the same and lived a long life. Hari Om. Usha Sridhar ----------------------------- Dear sadaks, A beginner starts one time pooja with mala of beeds. When one gets involved more and more it leads to japa in all times of life. Just watching cricket casually now and then leads to addiction to it. Anything is so, like playing cards watching TV Etc. The mind if gets involved in a certain act with concentration, leading to likeing of the same act. This is said in Vivekachudami of Sri Adi Sankara, as the mind with involvement, forms channel of thick thoughts (Same thought liked again and again) leading to Vasana which is NOT easily removable. So it is the mind concept designed by GOD. One can use the mind for divinity or touch, taste, sight, talk, hearing etc.for worldly passions. Jai Sri Krishna baiya sathyanarayan ----------------------------- Manyavars, If one practises Japa while concentrating on other work like driving a scooter or a car, one will automatically get headache. Simply it cannot be done with concentration elsewhere.One has to concentrate at the point of one's life, i.e., the heart. This is what my feeling goes.Regards to all. Barin Chatterjee -------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Ram , Ram Dear practioner/ers, Mantras as advised best for kaliyuga age " Ram, Ram " , or " Hare Ram Hare Ram, Ram, Ram, Hare Hare , Hare Krishna Hare krishna , Krishna, Krishna Hare Hare " (Please see " Gita press " " Kalikoupnishad " , or as advised by " Sadhna Sudha Sindhu " by his holiness revered " Sant Shree Swami ramsukhdasji " of Gita press). These Mantras can be done in any time, stage etc, even while in toilet, ( please out of respect for god dont do it in Toilet). For other mantras like gayatri, or any beej mantra etc, many restrictions are there ie after bath, not to have, or eat onion, garlic, carrot, beetroot, radish, non-veg, alcohol in any form, not to touch leather items, restraining like celibacy. practising truthfulness, non-violence etc ie mantras said in this para have restrictions as said above. and in kaliyug sauch, niyama, bramhacharya, yam , yoga is not or cannot be practised because all is in pollutted state of environment, mental control, truthfulness etc. The " Ram, Ram " mantra or " Hare Ram....Hare Krishna " , " mantra " can be also done on a tulsi mala but after bathing etc only. but you can repeat these mantras day and night doing anything in world , ie literally speaking , even in Toilet (beware of your karmas, because god will,punish you for bad ones even if you practise these mantras. Got it.) Ram, Ram sajjan, Kalrav Pande ---------------------------- Chanting the divine name in the mind with eyes closed leads to meditation and uniting with the Self.This can be achieved only when the mind is calm and free from worldly desires and entanglements. Hari Shanker Deo ------------------------------ Dear Sadhak, Start with any one either japa or mantra the rest will follow, The mind will tell u which one will suit you. Our Conscious our Guru because parmatma live there. In spiritual path there is no clear way which one is better, only jumping to one and submerging will help thanks and regards Shiva Kumar Please review Gita Talk guidesline prior to posting a reply - GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate your response. 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting sadhaka's time. 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other organizations. 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. 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Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 :Shree Hari: Ram Ram Manyavar, I have a dilemma. Which type of " japa " (divine name repetition) is better. 1. One round with holy beads (mala) performed one time, sitting in silence in one place or 2. Whenever the mind thinks about japa, done anytime, in whatever state, while walking, strolling, doing work, and which is not tracked (counted) but is more than one round of holy beads (mala). Yours, Anant IN HINDI Ek duvidha hai. Kaun sa Jaap jaata aacha hai 1. Siimit Mala Jaap jaise ki 1 mala ek baar ek jagah beth kar kiya ho 2. jab man me aaye Jaap jo ki kabhi bhi kiya ho or kissi bhi avastha mein jaise chalte phirthe, kaam karte kiya jaye or uski counting na ki jaaye par 1 mala se adhik ho Aapka Anant -------------------------- Shree Hari Ram Ram Has Bhagavad Gita alluded to Japa (with or without beads) anywhere? Please point out specific shloka (verse) in the Gita and significance of Japa. Gita Talk Moderators' Addition Ram Ram ----------------------------- NEW POSTING Dear Sadhak, The best practice is to remember HIM with every single breath. Kabir says- karka manka dari de, manka manka fer(put aside yr beads, and start changing yr mind, start discriminating between SAT and Asat) with Love, a sadhika Sadhna Karigar ------------------------------- Namaskar to all, In this present world of Science where youth are bound by experimental and sensuous reasons we should present the six questions asked in Gurukul days. Analyse by asking with 'K' kyu, kya, kab, kaun, kaha, kaise. In English 5 'W' & 1 'H' Why, What, When, Who, Where & How. My understanding per Gita is that Gyan (knowledge) Yog can help humans only for the next birth. Again Bhakti (devotion)Yog requires surrender with sentiments. But Bhakti without Gyan is supertition. Also Gyan without Bhakti is Egoistic. Knowing and analysing is the way, about Japa and Mantra: These are later versions of sounds heard by Saints during Samadhi. These phonetic sounds were put into words for layman as Japa, Mantra and Bhajans as most are connected by Emotion with the family and society. The Pranayam in Hatayog has breathing process where inhaling and exhaling at intervals helps in gaining energy. This controlled process is helped by repeating name and reciting Mantras. Added to this Correct procedure called 'Yam, Niyam', food. This will lead to 'Uparathi' = reducing desire of material, then 'Dharna' = reducing desire for live relations, then 'Dhyan' = concentration is helped by Japa, Mantra, Bhajan, then we can attain 'Samadhi' = when Atma can leave the Body when ever wished. That makes us a great Saint. 'Au uh mm' is the first sound, Klim, Klung, ..... before a Japa, Mantra gives it a power. Try it. -- Regards Swapan PURKAYASTHA ------------------------------ PRIOR POSTING Shree Hari || Ram Ram || Dear Anantji, thanks for a good question! May I please ask a question, why do you want to do Naam Japa ? Is it for love of God only? Is it for some other reason? According to Swamiji Maharaj, the action (Kriya), the method, time or place are not important, it is the " Bhava " or the feeling / sentiments only which is important. The best way is to perform Japa for the pleasure of God only and not for ourselves. The goal is to get to the stage where Japa becomes " Ajapa Jaap " (Happening on its own, do not have to do it). I heard there was a person in a hospital while in coma, Japa was going on its own. Japa is most effective when we get immersed with the feeling that 'we are God's' and/or 'God as our own' and also are remembering the form the chosen deity. For example, the mother remembers the child, she does not need any effort for this practice, does not use any beads, constantly thinking of her child. The Gopis of Vrindaban were thinking of and seeing Lord Krishna everywhere all the time, they did not need any Mala or the count there of, they were unmindful of the time or the place or the activity they were engaged in doing routine household chores. Lord Krishna says that among the Yajnas and I am the Japa Yajna (Gita: 10-25) (References: Gita 4-11, 9-27), Sadhan- Sudha-Sindhu, Pg. 70 ...). Humble regards, Madan Kaura --------------------------- THANQ VENKATA BHAGAVAN --------------------------- PRIOR POSTING My dandavat pranams to all in this forum..... I have heard many times one beautiful story of Hanuman and Lord Ramachandra. Hanuman was friends with one bhakta, who would always chant " Rama, Rama " . Always and everywhere, this bhakta would chant. One time, while passing stool, the bhakta was chanting, and Hanuman was annoyed. He decided to kick the person. Later that day, he saw his beloved Rama. Rama was groaning in pain, holding his back. Hanuman inquired, " what has happened? " Lord Ramachandra said, " Oh, you have done this to me " . Hanuman inquired, " I??? " Lord Rama explained, " Because I am not different from my Name, when my bhakta was chanting my Name, I was persnally present there. You should not have kicked him....actually, as I was present, you have kicked me " . Always the holy Name is pure, never contaminated by any condition. There is no higher or lower method, only we have to know within our own heart if we are giving our love to the Name. In truth, the Holy Name is chanting us. We are being allowed, by the Name Himself, to serve that transcendental sound vibration. There is also another short story, one time a muslim was gored by a bull. While dying, he was calling out, " Ha ram! Ha ram! " (meaning " how horrible " ) He attained the abode of Lord Rama upon leaving his body, because the power of the holy Name is such that even if unknowingly, one calls out the Name, the effect is still there. Whether one chants with knowledge or without, the Name is so merciful, the effect will take place. One should never think that if a person is inattentive, or chanting in a mimicking way, that there is no effect. Just as fire will cause it's presence to be known, whether one is aware or not, the holy Name will burn the contaminations from our sinful heart, whether we recognize this to be happening or not. Respectfully, Mahalaksmi Dasi --------------------------- Ram Ram usually we get so many opinions on any topics at any discussion group that the person who wants an answer ends up at the same point where he started !! it is suggested that after a month or so moderator should summarize the answer and provide only ONE ANSWER to sadhaka and close the subject matter. the moderator can take help from other jnaanis in Rishikesh to come up with a definitive and practical answer. this is just my humble opinion and suggestion. hariom Roy ----------------------------- Shree Hari Ram Ram HARI ANANT, HARI KATHA ANANT ONE PARAMAATMAA, MANY PATHS... We have had the exact same thoughts, however struggled a bit summarizing, due to possibility of mistating what sadhaks meant, missing important learnings while summarizing and also picking the one best definitive and practical answer. Sadhaks your input in regards to how we can provide a single practical answer or any other improvement opportunities is most welcome. Gita Talk Moderators Ram Ram ----------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Hari Om Any chanting of Divine name, any mantra for any number of times is in itself a great Karma. It never fails to produce " sattwikness " in you. But only a " great karma " It is not yet " divine karma " - however much quantity there may be of mantra/naam japa !! How to convert this " great Karma " into " Divine Karma " ? Become of God !! There should not be over insistence on naam/mantra Japa alone. If you have to insist then you should insist on the " mineness with Paramatma " . If you " become " of God , thereafter whether you indulge in Naam Japa or you indulge in your " duties " , it hardly matters. A traditional Indian wife never utters the name of her husband throughout her life (even after the death of her husband) ! What binds her to husband is " mineness " . Similarly once you establish " mineness with Paramatma " , everything is done. Thereafter whenever you are free , you may indulge in naam/mantra japa. Yardstick: You don't do " japa " - it happens automatically. One step further- WHATEVER you do is " japa " only !! Says Goswami Tulsidasji " Hohi Raam ko naam japi, Tulsi taji kusamaaj " First " become " of Raam( God) and then chant (japa) His Divine Name and renounce bad company.(Renounce bad company means- Doosara na koi- nothing else is mine- the world is not mine ) This is key. Rest all - quality/quantity/type/frequency of Mantra / Divine name, beads, which mantra, which name, which way, fasting, sitting before deity, meditation, holy dips, visiting sacred places, penances, sacrifices, renunciations, service, charities etc etc are secondary. Primary is " Mere to Girdhar Gopal , Doosaro na koi " . Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B --------------------------- from what i have gathered or heard we should attain the mental stability where there will be peace and automatically the meditation happen. my guruji always says you can eat meditatively, sleep meditatively, drink milk or coffee meditatively and speak meditatively. you can be in the meditative state all the time provided you are able to control your mind. so get that state chant a mantra which you feel is good for you. i do this even in mid of traffic jam. i feel happy instead of getting irritated bcos i get some time to think about god and chant his mantra Shoba Sarathy -------------------------- you & only you are the best judge to find out what suits you the best hari bol BP Taneja -------------------------- what is ajapa gayatri prabha garella --------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Dear Sadaks, Mantra/Japa comes automatically after desire to seek GOD. With No such desire Mantra or Japa is like any other noise. Jai Sri Krishna baiya sathyanarayan ---------------------------- Hari Om. Anjaneya is supposed to be seeranjeevi.(immmortal) He is supposed to be chanting Rama's name always. Krushna was praying Vishnu maya, mahashakthi; He used to wake up at 4 a.m.in the morning and chant AJBHA GAYATHRI; ANJANEYA IS ALSO CHANTING THE SAME. We are fortunate if we do the same thing what krushna did!!! AJHABHA GAYATHRI ----its chanting aksharam through our pranayama. There is no japamala etc. This alone can make us live a long life free from lust,greed and filth. In the olden days Rishis like Dhasaradha chanted the same and lived a long life. Hari Om. Usha Sridhar ----------------------------- Dear sadaks, A beginner starts one time pooja with mala of beeds. When one gets involved more and more it leads to japa in all times of life. Just watching cricket casually now and then leads to addiction to it. Anything is so, like playing cards watching TV Etc. The mind if gets involved in a certain act with concentration, leading to likeing of the same act. This is said in Vivekachudami of Sri Adi Sankara, as the mind with involvement, forms channel of thick thoughts (Same thought liked again and again) leading to Vasana which is NOT easily removable. So it is the mind concept designed by GOD. One can use the mind for divinity or touch, taste, sight, talk, hearing etc.for worldly passions. Jai Sri Krishna baiya sathyanarayan ----------------------------- Manyavars, If one practises Japa while concentrating on other work like driving a scooter or a car, one will automatically get headache. Simply it cannot be done with concentration elsewhere.One has to concentrate at the point of one's life, i.e., the heart. This is what my feeling goes.Regards to all. Barin Chatterjee -------------------------- PRIOR POSTING Ram , Ram Dear practioner/ers, Mantras as advised best for kaliyuga age " Ram, Ram " , or " Hare Ram Hare Ram, Ram, Ram, Hare Hare , Hare Krishna Hare krishna , Krishna, Krishna Hare Hare " (Please see " Gita press " " Kalikoupnishad " , or as advised by " Sadhna Sudha Sindhu " by his holiness revered " Sant Shree Swami ramsukhdasji " of Gita press). These Mantras can be done in any time, stage etc, even while in toilet, ( please out of respect for god dont do it in Toilet). For other mantras like gayatri, or any beej mantra etc, many restrictions are there ie after bath, not to have, or eat onion, garlic, carrot, beetroot, radish, non-veg, alcohol in any form, not to touch leather items, restraining like celibacy. practising truthfulness, non-violence etc ie mantras said in this para have restrictions as said above. and in kaliyug sauch, niyama, bramhacharya, yam , yoga is not or cannot be practised because all is in pollutted state of environment, mental control, truthfulness etc. The " Ram, Ram " mantra or " Hare Ram....Hare Krishna " , " mantra " can be also done on a tulsi mala but after bathing etc only. but you can repeat these mantras day and night doing anything in world , ie literally speaking , even in Toilet (beware of your karmas, because god will,punish you for bad ones even if you practise these mantras. Got it.) Ram, Ram sajjan, Kalrav Pande ---------------------------- Chanting the divine name in the mind with eyes closed leads to meditation and uniting with the Self.This can be achieved only when the mind is calm and free from worldly desires and entanglements. Hari Shanker Deo ------------------------------ Dear Sadhak, Start with any one either japa or mantra the rest will follow, The mind will tell u which one will suit you. Our Conscious our Guru because parmatma live there. In spiritual path there is no clear way which one is better, only jumping to one and submerging will help thanks and regards Shiva Kumar Please review Gita Talk guidesline prior to posting a reply - GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: 1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted. 2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to substantiate your response. 3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting sadhaka's time. 5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only. 6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other organizations. 7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone number, address etc. 8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual since the message is going to the entire group. 9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group. 11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed wherever possible. 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