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:Shree Hari:

Ram Ram

 

Manyavar,

I have a dilemma. Which type of " japa " (divine name repetition) is

better.

 

1. One round with holy beads (mala) performed one time, sitting in

silence in one place or

 

2. Whenever the mind thinks about japa, done anytime, in whatever

state, while walking, strolling, doing work, and which is not

tracked (counted) but is more than one round of holy beads (mala).

Yours, Anant

 

 

IN HINDI

 

Ek duvidha hai.

 

Kaun sa Jaap jaata aacha hai

 

1. Siimit Mala Jaap jaise ki 1 mala ek baar ek jagah beth kar kiya ho

 

2. jab man me aaye Jaap jo ki kabhi bhi kiya ho or kissi bhi avastha

mein jaise chalte phirthe, kaam karte kiya jaye or uski counting na

ki jaaye par 1 mala se adhik ho

 

Aapka

Anant

--------------------------

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Has Bhagavad Gita alluded to Japa (with or without beads) anywhere?

Please point out specific shloka (verse) in the Gita and

significance of Japa.

Gita Talk Moderators' Addition

Ram Ram

-----------------------------

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:Shree Hari:

Ram Ram

 

Manyavar,

I have a dilemma. Which type of " japa " (divine name repetition) is

better.

 

1. One round with holy beads (mala) performed one time, sitting in

silence in one place or

 

2. Whenever the mind thinks about japa, done anytime, in whatever

state, while walking, strolling, doing work, and which is not

tracked (counted) but is more than one round of holy beads (mala).

Yours, Anant

 

 

IN HINDI

 

Ek duvidha hai.

 

Kaun sa Jaap jaata aacha hai

 

1. Siimit Mala Jaap jaise ki 1 mala ek baar ek jagah beth kar kiya ho

 

2. jab man me aaye Jaap jo ki kabhi bhi kiya ho or kissi bhi avastha

mein jaise chalte phirthe, kaam karte kiya jaye or uski counting na

ki jaaye par 1 mala se adhik ho

 

Aapka

Anant

--------------------------

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Has Bhagavad Gita alluded to Japa (with or without beads) anywhere?

Please point out specific shloka (verse) in the Gita and

significance of Japa.

Gita Talk Moderators' Addition

Ram Ram

-----------------------------

NEW POSTING

 

Ram , Ram

 

Dear practioner/ers,

 

Mantras as advised best for kaliyuga age " Ram, Ram " , or " Hare Ram

Hare Ram, Ram, Ram, Hare Hare , Hare Krishna Hare krishna , Krishna,

Krishna Hare Hare " (Please see " Gita press " " Kalikoupnishad " , or as

advised by " Sadhna Sudha Sindhu " by his holiness revered " Sant

Shree Swami ramsukhdasji " of Gita press). These Mantras can be done

in any time, stage etc, even while in toilet, ( please out of

respect for god dont do it in Toilet).

 

For other mantras like gayatri, or any beej mantra etc, many

restrictions are there ie after bath, not to have, or eat onion,

garlic, carrot, beetroot, radish, non-veg, alcohol in any form, not

to touch leather items, restraining like celibacy. practising

truthfulness, non-violence etc ie mantras said in this para have

restrictions as said above. and in kaliyug sauch, niyama,

bramhacharya, yam , yoga is not or cannot be practised because all

is in pollutted state of environment, mental control, truthfulness

etc.

 

The " Ram, Ram " mantra or " Hare Ram....Hare Krishna " , " mantra " can be

also done on a tulsi mala but after bathing etc only. but you can

repeat these mantras day and night doing anything in world , ie

literally speaking , even in Toilet (beware of your karmas, because

god will,punish you for bad ones even if you practise these mantras.

Got it.)

 

Ram, Ram sajjan,

Kalrav Pande

----------------------------

Chanting the divine name in the mind with eyes closed leads to

meditation and uniting with the Self.This can be achieved only when

the mind is calm and free from worldly desires and entanglements.

 

Hari Shanker Deo

------------------------------

Dear Sadhak,

 

Start with any one either japa or mantra the rest will follow, The

mind will tell u which one will suit you. Our Conscious our Guru

because parmatma live there.

 

In spiritual path there is no clear way which one is better, only

jumping to one and submerging will help

 

 

thanks and regards

 

Shiva Kumar

 

 

 

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substantiate your response.

3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the

extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas

4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting

sadhaka's time.

5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only.

6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other

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7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone

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9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted.

10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content

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11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth,

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Ram Ram

 

Manyavar,

I have a dilemma. Which type of " japa " (divine name repetition) is

better.

 

1. One round with holy beads (mala) performed one time, sitting in

silence in one place or

 

2. Whenever the mind thinks about japa, done anytime, in whatever

state, while walking, strolling, doing work, and which is not

tracked (counted) but is more than one round of holy beads (mala).

Yours, Anant

 

 

IN HINDI

 

Ek duvidha hai.

 

Kaun sa Jaap jaata aacha hai

 

1. Siimit Mala Jaap jaise ki 1 mala ek baar ek jagah beth kar kiya ho

 

2. jab man me aaye Jaap jo ki kabhi bhi kiya ho or kissi bhi avastha

mein jaise chalte phirthe, kaam karte kiya jaye or uski counting na

ki jaaye par 1 mala se adhik ho

 

Aapka

Anant

--------------------------

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Has Bhagavad Gita alluded to Japa (with or without beads) anywhere?

Please point out specific shloka (verse) in the Gita and

significance of Japa.

Gita Talk Moderators' Addition

Ram Ram

-----------------------------

NEW POSTING

 

Dear Sadaks,

Mantra/Japa comes automatically after desire to seek GOD. With No

such desire Mantra or Japa is like any other noise.

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

----------------------------

Hari Om.

Anjaneya is supposed to be seeranjeevi.(immmortal)

He is supposed to be chanting Rama's name always.

Krushna was praying Vishnu maya, mahashakthi;

He used to wake up at 4 a.m.in the morning and

chant AJBHA GAYATHRI;

ANJANEYA IS ALSO CHANTING THE SAME.

We are fortunate if we do the same thing what krushna did!!!

AJHABHA GAYATHRI ----its chanting aksharam through our

pranayama.

There is no japamala etc.

This alone can make us live a long life free from lust,greed and

filth.

In the olden days Rishis like Dhasaradha chanted the same and

lived a long life.

Hari Om.

Usha Sridhar

-----------------------------

Dear sadaks,

A beginner starts one time pooja with mala of beeds. When one gets involved more

and more it leads to japa in all times of life. Just watching cricket casually

now and then leads to addiction to it. Anything is so, like playing cards

watching TV Etc. The mind if gets involved in a certain act with concentration,

leading to likeing of the same act. This is said in Vivekachudami of Sri Adi

Sankara, as the mind with involvement, forms channel of thick thoughts (Same

thought liked again and again) leading to Vasana which is NOT easily removable.

So it is the mind concept designed by GOD. One can use the mind for divinity or

touch, taste, sight, talk, hearing etc.for worldly passions.

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

 

-----------------------------

Manyavars,

If one practises Japa while concentrating on other work like driving

a scooter or a car, one will automatically get headache. Simply it

cannot be done with concentration elsewhere.One has to concentrate

at the point of one's life, i.e., the heart. This is what my feeling

goes.Regards to all.

Barin Chatterjee

 

--------------------------

PRIOR POSTING

Ram , Ram

 

Dear practioner/ers,

 

Mantras as advised best for kaliyuga age " Ram, Ram " , or " Hare Ram

Hare Ram, Ram, Ram, Hare Hare , Hare Krishna Hare krishna , Krishna,

Krishna Hare Hare " (Please see " Gita press " " Kalikoupnishad " , or as

advised by " Sadhna Sudha Sindhu " by his holiness revered " Sant

Shree Swami ramsukhdasji " of Gita press). These Mantras can be done

in any time, stage etc, even while in toilet, ( please out of

respect for god dont do it in Toilet).

 

For other mantras like gayatri, or any beej mantra etc, many

restrictions are there ie after bath, not to have, or eat onion,

garlic, carrot, beetroot, radish, non-veg, alcohol in any form, not

to touch leather items, restraining like celibacy. practising

truthfulness, non-violence etc ie mantras said in this para have

restrictions as said above. and in kaliyug sauch, niyama,

bramhacharya, yam , yoga is not or cannot be practised because all

is in pollutted state of environment, mental control, truthfulness

etc.

 

The " Ram, Ram " mantra or " Hare Ram....Hare Krishna " , " mantra " can be

also done on a tulsi mala but after bathing etc only. but you can

repeat these mantras day and night doing anything in world , ie

literally speaking , even in Toilet (beware of your karmas, because

god will,punish you for bad ones even if you practise these mantras.

Got it.)

 

Ram, Ram sajjan,

Kalrav Pande

----------------------------

Chanting the divine name in the mind with eyes closed leads to

meditation and uniting with the Self.This can be achieved only when

the mind is calm and free from worldly desires and entanglements.

 

Hari Shanker Deo

------------------------------

Dear Sadhak,

 

Start with any one either japa or mantra the rest will follow, The

mind will tell u which one will suit you. Our Conscious our Guru

because parmatma live there.

 

In spiritual path there is no clear way which one is better, only

jumping to one and submerging will help

 

 

thanks and regards

 

Shiva Kumar

 

 

 

Please review Gita Talk guidesline prior to posting a reply -

GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES:

1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts

related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further

clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted.

2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to

substantiate your response.

3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the

extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas

4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting

sadhaka's time.

5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only.

6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other

organizations.

7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone

number, address etc.

8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual

since the message is going to the entire group.

9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted.

10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content

is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group.

11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth,

westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit

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wherever possible.

 

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Ram Ram

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:Shree Hari:

Ram Ram

 

Manyavar,

I have a dilemma. Which type of " japa " (divine name repetition) is

better.

 

1. One round with holy beads (mala) performed one time, sitting in

silence in one place or

 

2. Whenever the mind thinks about japa, done anytime, in whatever

state, while walking, strolling, doing work, and which is not

tracked (counted) but is more than one round of holy beads (mala).

Yours, Anant

 

IN HINDI

 

Ek duvidha hai.

 

Kaun sa Jaap jaata aacha hai

 

1. Siimit Mala Jaap jaise ki 1 mala ek baar ek jagah beth kar kiya ho

 

2. jab man me aaye Jaap jo ki kabhi bhi kiya ho or kissi bhi avastha

mein jaise chalte phirthe, kaam karte kiya jaye or uski counting na

ki jaaye par 1 mala se adhik ho

 

Aapka

Anant

--------------------------

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Has Bhagavad Gita alluded to Japa (with or without beads) anywhere?

Please point out specific shloka (verse) in the Gita and

significance of Japa.

Gita Talk Moderators' Addition

Ram Ram

-----------------------------

NEW POSTING

 

Hari Om

 

Any chanting of Divine name, any mantra for any number of times is

in itself a great Karma. It never fails to produce " sattwikness " in

you. But only a " great karma " It is not yet " divine karma " - however

much quantity there may be of mantra/naam japa !!

 

How to convert this " great Karma " into " Divine Karma " ?

 

Become of God !!

 

There should not be over insistence on naam/mantra Japa alone. If

you have to insist then you should insist on the " mineness with

Paramatma " . If you " become " of God , thereafter whether you indulge

in Naam Japa or you indulge in your " duties " , it hardly matters.

 

A traditional Indian wife never utters the name of her husband

throughout her life (even after the death of her husband) ! What

binds her to husband is " mineness " . Similarly once you

establish " mineness with Paramatma " , everything is done. Thereafter

whenever you are free , you may indulge in naam/mantra japa.

 

Yardstick: You don't do " japa " - it happens automatically. One step

further- WHATEVER you do is " japa " only !!

 

Says Goswami Tulsidasji

 

" Hohi Raam ko naam japi, Tulsi taji kusamaaj "

 

First " become " of Raam( God) and then chant (japa) His Divine Name

and renounce bad company.(Renounce bad company means- Doosara na koi-

nothing else is mine- the world is not mine )

 

This is key. Rest all - quality/quantity/type/frequency of Mantra /

Divine name, beads, which mantra, which name, which way, fasting,

sitting before deity, meditation, holy dips, visiting sacred places,

penances, sacrifices, renunciations, service, charities etc etc are

secondary.

 

Primary is " Mere to Girdhar Gopal , Doosaro na koi " .

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

---------------------------

from what i have gathered or heard we should attain the mental

stability where there will be peace and automatically the meditation

happen. my guruji always says you can eat meditatively, sleep

meditatively, drink milk or coffee meditatively and speak

meditatively. you can be in the meditative state all the time

provided you are able to control your mind. so get that state chant

a mantra which you feel is good for you. i do this even in mid of

traffic jam. i feel happy instead of getting irritated bcos i get

some time to think about god and chant his mantra

 

Shoba Sarathy

--------------------------

you & only you are the best judge to find out what suits you the best

hari bol

BP Taneja

 

--------------------------

 

what is ajapa gayatri

prabha garella

 

---------------------------

PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Sadaks,

Mantra/Japa comes automatically after desire to seek GOD. With No

such desire Mantra or Japa is like any other noise.

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

----------------------------

Hari Om.

Anjaneya is supposed to be seeranjeevi.(immmortal)

He is supposed to be chanting Rama's name always.

Krushna was praying Vishnu maya, mahashakthi;

He used to wake up at 4 a.m.in the morning and

chant AJBHA GAYATHRI;

ANJANEYA IS ALSO CHANTING THE SAME.

We are fortunate if we do the same thing what krushna did!!!

AJHABHA GAYATHRI ----its chanting aksharam through our

pranayama.

There is no japamala etc.

This alone can make us live a long life free from lust,greed and

filth.

In the olden days Rishis like Dhasaradha chanted the same and

lived a long life.

Hari Om.

Usha Sridhar

-----------------------------

Dear sadaks,

A beginner starts one time pooja with mala of beeds. When one gets

involved more

and more it leads to japa in all times of life. Just watching

cricket casually

now and then leads to addiction to it. Anything is so, like playing

cards

watching TV Etc. The mind if gets involved in a certain act with

concentration,

leading to likeing of the same act. This is said in Vivekachudami of

Sri Adi

Sankara, as the mind with involvement, forms channel of thick

thoughts (Same

thought liked again and again) leading to Vasana which is NOT easily

removable.

So it is the mind concept designed by GOD. One can use the mind for

divinity or

touch, taste, sight, talk, hearing etc.for worldly passions.

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

 

-----------------------------

Manyavars,

If one practises Japa while concentrating on other work like driving

a scooter or a car, one will automatically get headache. Simply it

cannot be done with concentration elsewhere.One has to concentrate

at the point of one's life, i.e., the heart. This is what my feeling

goes.Regards to all.

Barin Chatterjee

 

--------------------------

PRIOR POSTING

Ram , Ram

 

Dear practioner/ers,

 

Mantras as advised best for kaliyuga age " Ram, Ram " , or " Hare Ram

Hare Ram, Ram, Ram, Hare Hare , Hare Krishna Hare krishna , Krishna,

Krishna Hare Hare " (Please see " Gita press " " Kalikoupnishad " , or as

advised by " Sadhna Sudha Sindhu " by his holiness revered " Sant

Shree Swami ramsukhdasji " of Gita press). These Mantras can be done

in any time, stage etc, even while in toilet, ( please out of

respect for god dont do it in Toilet).

 

For other mantras like gayatri, or any beej mantra etc, many

restrictions are there ie after bath, not to have, or eat onion,

garlic, carrot, beetroot, radish, non-veg, alcohol in any form, not

to touch leather items, restraining like celibacy. practising

truthfulness, non-violence etc ie mantras said in this para have

restrictions as said above. and in kaliyug sauch, niyama,

bramhacharya, yam , yoga is not or cannot be practised because all

is in pollutted state of environment, mental control, truthfulness

etc.

 

The " Ram, Ram " mantra or " Hare Ram....Hare Krishna " , " mantra " can be

also done on a tulsi mala but after bathing etc only. but you can

repeat these mantras day and night doing anything in world , ie

literally speaking , even in Toilet (beware of your karmas, because

god will,punish you for bad ones even if you practise these mantras.

Got it.)

 

Ram, Ram sajjan,

Kalrav Pande

----------------------------

Chanting the divine name in the mind with eyes closed leads to

meditation and uniting with the Self.This can be achieved only when

the mind is calm and free from worldly desires and entanglements.

 

Hari Shanker Deo

------------------------------

Dear Sadhak,

 

Start with any one either japa or mantra the rest will follow, The

mind will tell u which one will suit you. Our Conscious our Guru

because parmatma live there.

 

In spiritual path there is no clear way which one is better, only

jumping to one and submerging will help

 

 

thanks and regards

 

Shiva Kumar

 

 

 

Please review Gita Talk guidesline prior to posting a reply -

GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES:

1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts

related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further

clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted.

2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to

substantiate your response.

3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the

extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas

4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting

sadhaka's time.

5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only.

6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other

organizations.

7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone

number, address etc.

8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual

since the message is going to the entire group.

9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted.

10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content

is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group.

11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth,

westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit

words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed

wherever possible.

 

MODERATOR

Ram Ram

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:Shree Hari:

Ram Ram

 

Manyavar,

I have a dilemma. Which type of " japa " (divine name repetition) is

better.

 

1. One round with holy beads (mala) performed one time, sitting in

silence in one place or

 

2. Whenever the mind thinks about japa, done anytime, in whatever

state, while walking, strolling, doing work, and which is not

tracked (counted) but is more than one round of holy beads (mala).

Yours, Anant

 

IN HINDI

 

Ek duvidha hai.

 

Kaun sa Jaap jaata aacha hai

 

1. Siimit Mala Jaap jaise ki 1 mala ek baar ek jagah beth kar kiya ho

 

2. jab man me aaye Jaap jo ki kabhi bhi kiya ho or kissi bhi avastha

mein jaise chalte phirthe, kaam karte kiya jaye or uski counting na

ki jaaye par 1 mala se adhik ho

 

Aapka

Anant

--------------------------

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Has Bhagavad Gita alluded to Japa (with or without beads) anywhere?

Please point out specific shloka (verse) in the Gita and

significance of Japa.

Gita Talk Moderators' Addition

Ram Ram

-----------------------------

NEW POSTING

 

My dandavat pranams to all in this forum.....

 

I have heard many times one beautiful story of Hanuman and Lord

Ramachandra. Hanuman was friends with one bhakta, who would always

chant " Rama, Rama " . Always and everywhere, this bhakta would

chant. One time, while passing stool, the bhakta was chanting, and

Hanuman was annoyed. He decided to kick the person. Later that

day, he saw his beloved Rama. Rama was groaning in pain, holding

his back. Hanuman inquired, " what has happened? " Lord Ramachandra

said, " Oh, you have done this to me " . Hanuman inquired, " I??? "

Lord Rama explained, " Because I am not different from my Name, when

my bhakta was chanting my Name, I was persnally present there. You

should not have kicked him....actually, as I was present, you have

kicked me " .

Always the holy Name is pure, never contaminated by any

condition. There is no higher or lower method, only we have to know

within our own heart if we are giving our love to the Name. In

truth, the Holy Name is chanting us. We are being allowed, by the

Name Himself, to serve that transcendental sound vibration.

 

There is also another short story, one time a muslim was gored by

a bull. While dying, he was calling out, " Ha ram! Ha ram! "

(meaning " how horrible " ) He attained the abode of Lord Rama upon

leaving his body, because the power of the holy Name is such that

even if unknowingly, one calls out the Name, the effect is still

there. Whether one chants with knowledge or without, the Name is so

merciful, the effect will take place. One should never think that

if a person is inattentive, or chanting in a mimicking way, that

there is no effect. Just as fire will cause it's presence to be

known, whether one is aware or not, the holy Name will burn the

contaminations from our sinful heart, whether we recognize this to

be happening or not.

 

Respectfully, Mahalaksmi Dasi

---------------------------

Ram Ram

 

usually we get so many opinions on any topics at any discussion

group that the

person who wants an answer ends up at the same point where he

started !!

 

it is suggested that after a month or so moderator should summarize

the answer and provide only ONE ANSWER to sadhaka and close the

subject matter. the moderator can take help from other jnaanis in

Rishikesh to come up with a definitive and practical answer.

 

this is just my humble opinion and suggestion.

 

hariom Roy

-----------------------------

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

HARI ANANT, HARI KATHA ANANT

ONE PARAMAATMAA, MANY PATHS...

 

We have had the exact same thoughts, however struggled a bit

summarizing, due to possibility of mistating what sadhaks meant,

missing important learnings while summarizing and also picking the

one best definitive and practical answer.

 

Sadhaks your input in regards to how we can provide a single

practical answer or any other improvement opportunities is most

welcome.

 

Gita Talk Moderators

Ram Ram

 

-----------------------------

PRIOR POSTING

 

Hari Om

 

Any chanting of Divine name, any mantra for any number of times is

in itself a great Karma. It never fails to produce " sattwikness " in

you. But only a " great karma " It is not yet " divine karma " - however

much quantity there may be of mantra/naam japa !!

 

How to convert this " great Karma " into " Divine Karma " ?

 

Become of God !!

 

There should not be over insistence on naam/mantra Japa alone. If

you have to insist then you should insist on the " mineness with

Paramatma " . If you " become " of God , thereafter whether you indulge

in Naam Japa or you indulge in your " duties " , it hardly matters.

 

A traditional Indian wife never utters the name of her husband

throughout her life (even after the death of her husband) ! What

binds her to husband is " mineness " . Similarly once you

establish " mineness with Paramatma " , everything is done. Thereafter

whenever you are free , you may indulge in naam/mantra japa.

 

Yardstick: You don't do " japa " - it happens automatically. One step

further- WHATEVER you do is " japa " only !!

 

Says Goswami Tulsidasji

 

" Hohi Raam ko naam japi, Tulsi taji kusamaaj "

 

First " become " of Raam( God) and then chant (japa) His Divine Name

and renounce bad company.(Renounce bad company means- Doosara na koi-

nothing else is mine- the world is not mine )

 

This is key. Rest all - quality/quantity/type/frequency of Mantra /

Divine name, beads, which mantra, which name, which way, fasting,

sitting before deity, meditation, holy dips, visiting sacred places,

penances, sacrifices, renunciations, service, charities etc etc are

secondary.

 

Primary is " Mere to Girdhar Gopal , Doosaro na koi " .

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

---------------------------

from what i have gathered or heard we should attain the mental

stability where there will be peace and automatically the meditation

happen. my guruji always says you can eat meditatively, sleep

meditatively, drink milk or coffee meditatively and speak

meditatively. you can be in the meditative state all the time

provided you are able to control your mind. so get that state chant

a mantra which you feel is good for you. i do this even in mid of

traffic jam. i feel happy instead of getting irritated bcos i get

some time to think about god and chant his mantra

 

Shoba Sarathy

--------------------------

you & only you are the best judge to find out what suits you the best

hari bol

BP Taneja

 

--------------------------

 

what is ajapa gayatri

prabha garella

 

---------------------------

PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Sadaks,

Mantra/Japa comes automatically after desire to seek GOD. With No

such desire Mantra or Japa is like any other noise.

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

----------------------------

Hari Om.

Anjaneya is supposed to be seeranjeevi.(immmortal)

He is supposed to be chanting Rama's name always.

Krushna was praying Vishnu maya, mahashakthi;

He used to wake up at 4 a.m.in the morning and

chant AJBHA GAYATHRI;

ANJANEYA IS ALSO CHANTING THE SAME.

We are fortunate if we do the same thing what krushna did!!!

AJHABHA GAYATHRI ----its chanting aksharam through our

pranayama.

There is no japamala etc.

This alone can make us live a long life free from lust,greed and

filth.

In the olden days Rishis like Dhasaradha chanted the same and

lived a long life.

Hari Om.

Usha Sridhar

-----------------------------

Dear sadaks,

A beginner starts one time pooja with mala of beeds. When one gets

involved more

and more it leads to japa in all times of life. Just watching

cricket casually

now and then leads to addiction to it. Anything is so, like playing

cards

watching TV Etc. The mind if gets involved in a certain act with

concentration,

leading to likeing of the same act. This is said in Vivekachudami of

Sri Adi

Sankara, as the mind with involvement, forms channel of thick

thoughts (Same

thought liked again and again) leading to Vasana which is NOT easily

removable.

So it is the mind concept designed by GOD. One can use the mind for

divinity or

touch, taste, sight, talk, hearing etc.for worldly passions.

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

 

-----------------------------

Manyavars,

If one practises Japa while concentrating on other work like driving

a scooter or a car, one will automatically get headache. Simply it

cannot be done with concentration elsewhere.One has to concentrate

at the point of one's life, i.e., the heart. This is what my feeling

goes.Regards to all.

Barin Chatterjee

 

--------------------------

PRIOR POSTING

Ram , Ram

 

Dear practioner/ers,

 

Mantras as advised best for kaliyuga age " Ram, Ram " , or " Hare Ram

Hare Ram, Ram, Ram, Hare Hare , Hare Krishna Hare krishna , Krishna,

Krishna Hare Hare " (Please see " Gita press " " Kalikoupnishad " , or as

advised by " Sadhna Sudha Sindhu " by his holiness revered " Sant

Shree Swami ramsukhdasji " of Gita press). These Mantras can be done

in any time, stage etc, even while in toilet, ( please out of

respect for god dont do it in Toilet).

 

For other mantras like gayatri, or any beej mantra etc, many

restrictions are there ie after bath, not to have, or eat onion,

garlic, carrot, beetroot, radish, non-veg, alcohol in any form, not

to touch leather items, restraining like celibacy. practising

truthfulness, non-violence etc ie mantras said in this para have

restrictions as said above. and in kaliyug sauch, niyama,

bramhacharya, yam , yoga is not or cannot be practised because all

is in pollutted state of environment, mental control, truthfulness

etc.

 

The " Ram, Ram " mantra or " Hare Ram....Hare Krishna " , " mantra " can be

also done on a tulsi mala but after bathing etc only. but you can

repeat these mantras day and night doing anything in world , ie

literally speaking , even in Toilet (beware of your karmas, because

god will,punish you for bad ones even if you practise these mantras.

Got it.)

 

Ram, Ram sajjan,

Kalrav Pande

----------------------------

Chanting the divine name in the mind with eyes closed leads to

meditation and uniting with the Self.This can be achieved only when

the mind is calm and free from worldly desires and entanglements.

 

Hari Shanker Deo

------------------------------

Dear Sadhak,

 

Start with any one either japa or mantra the rest will follow, The

mind will tell u which one will suit you. Our Conscious our Guru

because parmatma live there.

 

In spiritual path there is no clear way which one is better, only

jumping to one and submerging will help

 

 

thanks and regards

 

Shiva Kumar

 

 

 

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Ram Ram

 

Manyavar,

I have a dilemma. Which type of " japa " (divine name repetition) is

better.

 

1. One round with holy beads (mala) performed one time, sitting in

silence in one place or

 

2. Whenever the mind thinks about japa, done anytime, in whatever

state, while walking, strolling, doing work, and which is not

tracked (counted) but is more than one round of holy beads (mala).

Yours, Anant

 

IN HINDI

 

Ek duvidha hai.

 

Kaun sa Jaap jaata aacha hai

 

1. Siimit Mala Jaap jaise ki 1 mala ek baar ek jagah beth kar kiya ho

 

2. jab man me aaye Jaap jo ki kabhi bhi kiya ho or kissi bhi avastha

mein jaise chalte phirthe, kaam karte kiya jaye or uski counting na

ki jaaye par 1 mala se adhik ho

 

Aapka

Anant

--------------------------

 

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Has Bhagavad Gita alluded to Japa (with or without beads) anywhere?

Please point out specific shloka (verse) in the Gita and

significance of Japa.

Gita Talk Moderators' Addition

Ram Ram

-----------------------------

NEW POSTING

 

Shree Hari

 

|| Ram Ram ||

 

Dear Anantji, thanks for a good question!

 

May I please ask a question, why do you want to do Naam Japa ? Is it

for love of God only? Is it for some other reason?

 

According to Swamiji Maharaj, the action (Kriya), the method, time

or place are not important, it is the " Bhava " or the feeling /

sentiments only which is important. The best way is to perform Japa

for the pleasure of God only and not for ourselves. The goal is to

get to the stage where Japa becomes " Ajapa Jaap " (Happening on its

own, do not have to do it). I heard there was a person in a hospital

while in coma, Japa was going on its own. Japa is most effective

when we get immersed with the feeling that 'we are God's'

and/or 'God as our own' and also are remembering the form the chosen

deity.

 

For example, the mother remembers the child, she does not need any

effort for this practice, does not use any beads, constantly

thinking of her child. The Gopis of Vrindaban were thinking of and

seeing Lord Krishna everywhere all the time, they did not need any

Mala or the count there of, they were unmindful of the time or the

place or the activity they were engaged in doing routine household

chores.

 

Lord Krishna says that among the Yajnas and I am the Japa Yajna

(Gita: 10-25)

 

(References: Gita 4-11, 9-27), Sadhan- Sudha-Sindhu, Pg. 70 ...).

 

Humble regards,

Madan Kaura

---------------------------

THANQ

 

VENKATA BHAGAVAN

---------------------------

 

PRIOR POSTING

My dandavat pranams to all in this forum.....

 

I have heard many times one beautiful story of Hanuman and Lord

Ramachandra. Hanuman was friends with one bhakta, who would always

chant " Rama, Rama " . Always and everywhere, this bhakta would

chant. One time, while passing stool, the bhakta was chanting, and

Hanuman was annoyed. He decided to kick the person. Later that

day, he saw his beloved Rama. Rama was groaning in pain, holding

his back. Hanuman inquired, " what has happened? " Lord Ramachandra

said, " Oh, you have done this to me " . Hanuman inquired, " I??? "

Lord Rama explained, " Because I am not different from my Name, when

my bhakta was chanting my Name, I was persnally present there. You

should not have kicked him....actually, as I was present, you have

kicked me " .

Always the holy Name is pure, never contaminated by any

condition. There is no higher or lower method, only we have to know

within our own heart if we are giving our love to the Name. In

truth, the Holy Name is chanting us. We are being allowed, by the

Name Himself, to serve that transcendental sound vibration.

 

There is also another short story, one time a muslim was gored by

a bull. While dying, he was calling out, " Ha ram! Ha ram! "

(meaning " how horrible " ) He attained the abode of Lord Rama upon

leaving his body, because the power of the holy Name is such that

even if unknowingly, one calls out the Name, the effect is still

there. Whether one chants with knowledge or without, the Name is so

merciful, the effect will take place. One should never think that

if a person is inattentive, or chanting in a mimicking way, that

there is no effect. Just as fire will cause it's presence to be

known, whether one is aware or not, the holy Name will burn the

contaminations from our sinful heart, whether we recognize this to

be happening or not.

 

Respectfully, Mahalaksmi Dasi

---------------------------

Ram Ram

 

usually we get so many opinions on any topics at any discussion

group that the

person who wants an answer ends up at the same point where he

started !!

 

it is suggested that after a month or so moderator should summarize

the answer and provide only ONE ANSWER to sadhaka and close the

subject matter. the moderator can take help from other jnaanis in

Rishikesh to come up with a definitive and practical answer.

 

this is just my humble opinion and suggestion.

 

hariom Roy

-----------------------------

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

HARI ANANT, HARI KATHA ANANT

ONE PARAMAATMAA, MANY PATHS...

 

We have had the exact same thoughts, however struggled a bit

summarizing, due to possibility of mistating what sadhaks meant,

missing important learnings while summarizing and also picking the

one best definitive and practical answer.

 

Sadhaks your input in regards to how we can provide a single

practical answer or any other improvement opportunities is most

welcome.

 

Gita Talk Moderators

Ram Ram

 

-----------------------------

PRIOR POSTING

 

Hari Om

 

Any chanting of Divine name, any mantra for any number of times is

in itself a great Karma. It never fails to produce " sattwikness " in

you. But only a " great karma " It is not yet " divine karma " - however

much quantity there may be of mantra/naam japa !!

 

How to convert this " great Karma " into " Divine Karma " ?

 

Become of God !!

 

There should not be over insistence on naam/mantra Japa alone. If

you have to insist then you should insist on the " mineness with

Paramatma " . If you " become " of God , thereafter whether you indulge

in Naam Japa or you indulge in your " duties " , it hardly matters.

 

A traditional Indian wife never utters the name of her husband

throughout her life (even after the death of her husband) ! What

binds her to husband is " mineness " . Similarly once you

establish " mineness with Paramatma " , everything is done. Thereafter

whenever you are free , you may indulge in naam/mantra japa.

 

Yardstick: You don't do " japa " - it happens automatically. One step

further- WHATEVER you do is " japa " only !!

 

Says Goswami Tulsidasji

 

" Hohi Raam ko naam japi, Tulsi taji kusamaaj "

 

First " become " of Raam( God) and then chant (japa) His Divine Name

and renounce bad company.(Renounce bad company means- Doosara na koi-

nothing else is mine- the world is not mine )

 

This is key. Rest all - quality/quantity/type/frequency of Mantra /

Divine name, beads, which mantra, which name, which way, fasting,

sitting before deity, meditation, holy dips, visiting sacred places,

penances, sacrifices, renunciations, service, charities etc etc are

secondary.

 

Primary is " Mere to Girdhar Gopal , Doosaro na koi " .

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

---------------------------

from what i have gathered or heard we should attain the mental

stability where there will be peace and automatically the meditation

happen. my guruji always says you can eat meditatively, sleep

meditatively, drink milk or coffee meditatively and speak

meditatively. you can be in the meditative state all the time

provided you are able to control your mind. so get that state chant

a mantra which you feel is good for you. i do this even in mid of

traffic jam. i feel happy instead of getting irritated bcos i get

some time to think about god and chant his mantra

 

Shoba Sarathy

--------------------------

you & only you are the best judge to find out what suits you the best

hari bol

BP Taneja

 

--------------------------

 

what is ajapa gayatri

prabha garella

 

---------------------------

PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Sadaks,

Mantra/Japa comes automatically after desire to seek GOD. With No

such desire Mantra or Japa is like any other noise.

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

----------------------------

Hari Om.

Anjaneya is supposed to be seeranjeevi.(immmortal)

He is supposed to be chanting Rama's name always.

Krushna was praying Vishnu maya, mahashakthi;

He used to wake up at 4 a.m.in the morning and

chant AJBHA GAYATHRI;

ANJANEYA IS ALSO CHANTING THE SAME.

We are fortunate if we do the same thing what krushna did!!!

AJHABHA GAYATHRI ----its chanting aksharam through our

pranayama.

There is no japamala etc.

This alone can make us live a long life free from lust,greed and

filth.

In the olden days Rishis like Dhasaradha chanted the same and

lived a long life.

Hari Om.

Usha Sridhar

-----------------------------

Dear sadaks,

A beginner starts one time pooja with mala of beeds. When one gets

involved more

and more it leads to japa in all times of life. Just watching

cricket casually

now and then leads to addiction to it. Anything is so, like playing

cards

watching TV Etc. The mind if gets involved in a certain act with

concentration,

leading to likeing of the same act. This is said in Vivekachudami of

Sri Adi

Sankara, as the mind with involvement, forms channel of thick

thoughts (Same

thought liked again and again) leading to Vasana which is NOT easily

removable.

So it is the mind concept designed by GOD. One can use the mind for

divinity or

touch, taste, sight, talk, hearing etc.for worldly passions.

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

 

-----------------------------

Manyavars,

If one practises Japa while concentrating on other work like driving

a scooter or a car, one will automatically get headache. Simply it

cannot be done with concentration elsewhere.One has to concentrate

at the point of one's life, i.e., the heart. This is what my feeling

goes.Regards to all.

Barin Chatterjee

 

--------------------------

PRIOR POSTING

Ram , Ram

 

Dear practioner/ers,

 

Mantras as advised best for kaliyuga age " Ram, Ram " , or " Hare Ram

Hare Ram, Ram, Ram, Hare Hare , Hare Krishna Hare krishna , Krishna,

Krishna Hare Hare " (Please see " Gita press " " Kalikoupnishad " , or as

advised by " Sadhna Sudha Sindhu " by his holiness revered " Sant

Shree Swami ramsukhdasji " of Gita press). These Mantras can be done

in any time, stage etc, even while in toilet, ( please out of

respect for god dont do it in Toilet).

 

For other mantras like gayatri, or any beej mantra etc, many

restrictions are there ie after bath, not to have, or eat onion,

garlic, carrot, beetroot, radish, non-veg, alcohol in any form, not

to touch leather items, restraining like celibacy. practising

truthfulness, non-violence etc ie mantras said in this para have

restrictions as said above. and in kaliyug sauch, niyama,

bramhacharya, yam , yoga is not or cannot be practised because all

is in pollutted state of environment, mental control, truthfulness

etc.

 

The " Ram, Ram " mantra or " Hare Ram....Hare Krishna " , " mantra " can be

also done on a tulsi mala but after bathing etc only. but you can

repeat these mantras day and night doing anything in world , ie

literally speaking , even in Toilet (beware of your karmas, because

god will,punish you for bad ones even if you practise these mantras.

Got it.)

 

Ram, Ram sajjan,

Kalrav Pande

----------------------------

Chanting the divine name in the mind with eyes closed leads to

meditation and uniting with the Self.This can be achieved only when

the mind is calm and free from worldly desires and entanglements.

 

Hari Shanker Deo

------------------------------

Dear Sadhak,

 

Start with any one either japa or mantra the rest will follow, The

mind will tell u which one will suit you. Our Conscious our Guru

because parmatma live there.

 

In spiritual path there is no clear way which one is better, only

jumping to one and submerging will help

 

 

thanks and regards

 

Shiva Kumar

 

 

 

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1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts

related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further

clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted.

2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to

substantiate your response.

3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the

extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas

4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting

sadhaka's time.

5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only.

6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other

organizations.

7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone

number, address etc.

8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual

since the message is going to the entire group.

9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted.

10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content

is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group.

11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth,

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:Shree Hari:

Ram Ram

 

Manyavar,

I have a dilemma. Which type of " japa " (divine name repetition) is

better.

 

1. One round with holy beads (mala) performed one time, sitting in

silence in one place or

 

2. Whenever the mind thinks about japa, done anytime, in whatever

state, while walking, strolling, doing work, and which is not

tracked (counted) but is more than one round of holy beads (mala).

Yours, Anant

 

IN HINDI

 

Ek duvidha hai.

 

Kaun sa Jaap jaata aacha hai

 

1. Siimit Mala Jaap jaise ki 1 mala ek baar ek jagah beth kar kiya ho

 

2. jab man me aaye Jaap jo ki kabhi bhi kiya ho or kissi bhi avastha

mein jaise chalte phirthe, kaam karte kiya jaye or uski counting na

ki jaaye par 1 mala se adhik ho

 

Aapka

Anant

--------------------------

 

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Has Bhagavad Gita alluded to Japa (with or without beads) anywhere?

Please point out specific shloka (verse) in the Gita and

significance of Japa.

Gita Talk Moderators' Addition

Ram Ram

-----------------------------

NEW POSTING

 

Dear Sadhak,

 

The best practice is to remember HIM with every single breath.

Kabir says-

karka manka dari de, manka manka fer(put aside yr beads, and start

changing yr mind, start discriminating between SAT and Asat)

with Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

-------------------------------

Namaskar to all,

In this present world of Science where youth are bound by experimental and

sensuous reasons we should present the six questions asked in Gurukul days.

Analyse by asking with 'K' kyu, kya, kab, kaun, kaha, kaise. In English 5 'W' &

1 'H' Why, What, When, Who, Where & How.

 

My understanding per Gita is that Gyan (knowledge) Yog can help humans only for

the next birth. Again Bhakti (devotion)Yog requires surrender with sentiments.

But Bhakti without Gyan is supertition. Also Gyan without Bhakti is Egoistic.

 

Knowing and analysing is the way, about Japa and Mantra: These are later

versions of sounds heard by Saints during Samadhi. These phonetic sounds were

put into words for layman as Japa, Mantra and Bhajans as most are connected by

Emotion with the family and society.

The Pranayam in Hatayog has breathing process where inhaling and exhaling at

intervals helps in gaining energy. This controlled process is helped by

repeating name and reciting Mantras. Added to this Correct procedure called

'Yam, Niyam', food. This will lead to 'Uparathi' = reducing desire of material,

then 'Dharna' = reducing desire for live relations, then 'Dhyan' = concentration

is helped by Japa, Mantra, Bhajan, then we can attain 'Samadhi' = when Atma can

leave the Body when ever wished. That makes us a great Saint.

'Au uh mm' is the first sound, Klim, Klung, ..... before a Japa, Mantra gives it

a power. Try it.

--

Regards

 

Swapan PURKAYASTHA

 

 

 

------------------------------

PRIOR POSTING

 

Shree Hari

 

|| Ram Ram ||

 

Dear Anantji, thanks for a good question!

 

May I please ask a question, why do you want to do Naam Japa ? Is it

for love of God only? Is it for some other reason?

 

According to Swamiji Maharaj, the action (Kriya), the method, time

or place are not important, it is the " Bhava " or the feeling /

sentiments only which is important. The best way is to perform Japa

for the pleasure of God only and not for ourselves. The goal is to

get to the stage where Japa becomes " Ajapa Jaap " (Happening on its

own, do not have to do it). I heard there was a person in a hospital

while in coma, Japa was going on its own. Japa is most effective

when we get immersed with the feeling that 'we are God's'

and/or 'God as our own' and also are remembering the form the chosen

deity.

 

For example, the mother remembers the child, she does not need any

effort for this practice, does not use any beads, constantly

thinking of her child. The Gopis of Vrindaban were thinking of and

seeing Lord Krishna everywhere all the time, they did not need any

Mala or the count there of, they were unmindful of the time or the

place or the activity they were engaged in doing routine household

chores.

 

Lord Krishna says that among the Yajnas and I am the Japa Yajna

(Gita: 10-25)

 

(References: Gita 4-11, 9-27), Sadhan- Sudha-Sindhu, Pg. 70 ...).

 

Humble regards,

Madan Kaura

---------------------------

THANQ

 

VENKATA BHAGAVAN

---------------------------

 

PRIOR POSTING

My dandavat pranams to all in this forum.....

 

I have heard many times one beautiful story of Hanuman and Lord

Ramachandra. Hanuman was friends with one bhakta, who would always

chant " Rama, Rama " . Always and everywhere, this bhakta would

chant. One time, while passing stool, the bhakta was chanting, and

Hanuman was annoyed. He decided to kick the person. Later that

day, he saw his beloved Rama. Rama was groaning in pain, holding

his back. Hanuman inquired, " what has happened? " Lord Ramachandra

said, " Oh, you have done this to me " . Hanuman inquired, " I??? "

Lord Rama explained, " Because I am not different from my Name, when

my bhakta was chanting my Name, I was persnally present there. You

should not have kicked him....actually, as I was present, you have

kicked me " .

Always the holy Name is pure, never contaminated by any

condition. There is no higher or lower method, only we have to know

within our own heart if we are giving our love to the Name. In

truth, the Holy Name is chanting us. We are being allowed, by the

Name Himself, to serve that transcendental sound vibration.

 

There is also another short story, one time a muslim was gored by

a bull. While dying, he was calling out, " Ha ram! Ha ram! "

(meaning " how horrible " ) He attained the abode of Lord Rama upon

leaving his body, because the power of the holy Name is such that

even if unknowingly, one calls out the Name, the effect is still

there. Whether one chants with knowledge or without, the Name is so

merciful, the effect will take place. One should never think that

if a person is inattentive, or chanting in a mimicking way, that

there is no effect. Just as fire will cause it's presence to be

known, whether one is aware or not, the holy Name will burn the

contaminations from our sinful heart, whether we recognize this to

be happening or not.

 

Respectfully, Mahalaksmi Dasi

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Ram Ram

 

usually we get so many opinions on any topics at any discussion

group that the

person who wants an answer ends up at the same point where he

started !!

 

it is suggested that after a month or so moderator should summarize

the answer and provide only ONE ANSWER to sadhaka and close the

subject matter. the moderator can take help from other jnaanis in

Rishikesh to come up with a definitive and practical answer.

 

this is just my humble opinion and suggestion.

 

hariom Roy

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

HARI ANANT, HARI KATHA ANANT

ONE PARAMAATMAA, MANY PATHS...

 

We have had the exact same thoughts, however struggled a bit

summarizing, due to possibility of mistating what sadhaks meant,

missing important learnings while summarizing and also picking the

one best definitive and practical answer.

 

Sadhaks your input in regards to how we can provide a single

practical answer or any other improvement opportunities is most

welcome.

 

Gita Talk Moderators

Ram Ram

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Hari Om

 

Any chanting of Divine name, any mantra for any number of times is

in itself a great Karma. It never fails to produce " sattwikness " in

you. But only a " great karma " It is not yet " divine karma " - however

much quantity there may be of mantra/naam japa !!

 

How to convert this " great Karma " into " Divine Karma " ?

 

Become of God !!

 

There should not be over insistence on naam/mantra Japa alone. If

you have to insist then you should insist on the " mineness with

Paramatma " . If you " become " of God , thereafter whether you indulge

in Naam Japa or you indulge in your " duties " , it hardly matters.

 

A traditional Indian wife never utters the name of her husband

throughout her life (even after the death of her husband) ! What

binds her to husband is " mineness " . Similarly once you

establish " mineness with Paramatma " , everything is done. Thereafter

whenever you are free , you may indulge in naam/mantra japa.

 

Yardstick: You don't do " japa " - it happens automatically. One step

further- WHATEVER you do is " japa " only !!

 

Says Goswami Tulsidasji

 

" Hohi Raam ko naam japi, Tulsi taji kusamaaj "

 

First " become " of Raam( God) and then chant (japa) His Divine Name

and renounce bad company.(Renounce bad company means- Doosara na koi-

nothing else is mine- the world is not mine )

 

This is key. Rest all - quality/quantity/type/frequency of Mantra /

Divine name, beads, which mantra, which name, which way, fasting,

sitting before deity, meditation, holy dips, visiting sacred places,

penances, sacrifices, renunciations, service, charities etc etc are

secondary.

 

Primary is " Mere to Girdhar Gopal , Doosaro na koi " .

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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from what i have gathered or heard we should attain the mental

stability where there will be peace and automatically the meditation

happen. my guruji always says you can eat meditatively, sleep

meditatively, drink milk or coffee meditatively and speak

meditatively. you can be in the meditative state all the time

provided you are able to control your mind. so get that state chant

a mantra which you feel is good for you. i do this even in mid of

traffic jam. i feel happy instead of getting irritated bcos i get

some time to think about god and chant his mantra

 

Shoba Sarathy

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you & only you are the best judge to find out what suits you the best

hari bol

BP Taneja

 

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what is ajapa gayatri

prabha garella

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Sadaks,

Mantra/Japa comes automatically after desire to seek GOD. With No

such desire Mantra or Japa is like any other noise.

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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Hari Om.

Anjaneya is supposed to be seeranjeevi.(immmortal)

He is supposed to be chanting Rama's name always.

Krushna was praying Vishnu maya, mahashakthi;

He used to wake up at 4 a.m.in the morning and

chant AJBHA GAYATHRI;

ANJANEYA IS ALSO CHANTING THE SAME.

We are fortunate if we do the same thing what krushna did!!!

AJHABHA GAYATHRI ----its chanting aksharam through our

pranayama.

There is no japamala etc.

This alone can make us live a long life free from lust,greed and

filth.

In the olden days Rishis like Dhasaradha chanted the same and

lived a long life.

Hari Om.

Usha Sridhar

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Dear sadaks,

A beginner starts one time pooja with mala of beeds. When one gets

involved more

and more it leads to japa in all times of life. Just watching

cricket casually

now and then leads to addiction to it. Anything is so, like playing

cards

watching TV Etc. The mind if gets involved in a certain act with

concentration,

leading to likeing of the same act. This is said in Vivekachudami of

Sri Adi

Sankara, as the mind with involvement, forms channel of thick

thoughts (Same

thought liked again and again) leading to Vasana which is NOT easily

removable.

So it is the mind concept designed by GOD. One can use the mind for

divinity or

touch, taste, sight, talk, hearing etc.for worldly passions.

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

 

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Manyavars,

If one practises Japa while concentrating on other work like driving

a scooter or a car, one will automatically get headache. Simply it

cannot be done with concentration elsewhere.One has to concentrate

at the point of one's life, i.e., the heart. This is what my feeling

goes.Regards to all.

Barin Chatterjee

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Ram , Ram

 

Dear practioner/ers,

 

Mantras as advised best for kaliyuga age " Ram, Ram " , or " Hare Ram

Hare Ram, Ram, Ram, Hare Hare , Hare Krishna Hare krishna , Krishna,

Krishna Hare Hare " (Please see " Gita press " " Kalikoupnishad " , or as

advised by " Sadhna Sudha Sindhu " by his holiness revered " Sant

Shree Swami ramsukhdasji " of Gita press). These Mantras can be done

in any time, stage etc, even while in toilet, ( please out of

respect for god dont do it in Toilet).

 

For other mantras like gayatri, or any beej mantra etc, many

restrictions are there ie after bath, not to have, or eat onion,

garlic, carrot, beetroot, radish, non-veg, alcohol in any form, not

to touch leather items, restraining like celibacy. practising

truthfulness, non-violence etc ie mantras said in this para have

restrictions as said above. and in kaliyug sauch, niyama,

bramhacharya, yam , yoga is not or cannot be practised because all

is in pollutted state of environment, mental control, truthfulness

etc.

 

The " Ram, Ram " mantra or " Hare Ram....Hare Krishna " , " mantra " can be

also done on a tulsi mala but after bathing etc only. but you can

repeat these mantras day and night doing anything in world , ie

literally speaking , even in Toilet (beware of your karmas, because

god will,punish you for bad ones even if you practise these mantras.

Got it.)

 

Ram, Ram sajjan,

Kalrav Pande

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Chanting the divine name in the mind with eyes closed leads to

meditation and uniting with the Self.This can be achieved only when

the mind is calm and free from worldly desires and entanglements.

 

Hari Shanker Deo

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Dear Sadhak,

 

Start with any one either japa or mantra the rest will follow, The

mind will tell u which one will suit you. Our Conscious our Guru

because parmatma live there.

 

In spiritual path there is no clear way which one is better, only

jumping to one and submerging will help

 

 

thanks and regards

 

Shiva Kumar

 

 

 

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