Satsang Well and Good, But What about Cause Effect of Contemporary Issues?

January 13, 2009

Shree Hari, Ram Ram

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QUESTION: All this is good satsang talk, but i feel we need to

understand the karyakaaran bhav (sentiments of cause and effect) of

contemporary issues like:

- Why is it that Kashmiris Hindus had to suffer so much

- Sikh Gurus were tortured?

- The current state of affairs why do we have such rulers who are

anti Hindu? (how can we be in a natural state of " bliss " in such a

state? current state is detrimental to spirituality)

regards, Ajeya Mehta

" Live for an ideal, and that one ideal alone. Let it be so great, so

strong, that there may be nothing else left in the mind; no place

for anything else, no time for anything else. " - Swami Vivekananda

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Question based on Sadhak Daily Posting -

[sadhaka] We are Not Trapped (Dec 21, 2008)

: Shree Hari :

Ram Ram

21st December, 2008, Sunday

There is one Ishvar (God), and he is the master of all. You can see

that even in little colony of ants, there is one who is the main

one. Among bees, there is one main queen bee. Similarly among all

human beings, there is one great one. Ishvar (God). By believing in

That One, there is great gain. Who will protect us? If we believe

that Ishvar is our master then all work will become easy. Great

work will become even greater. Due to not having this belief, one

feels lack of peace. The most important thing is to consider

Bhagavaan (God) as our very own. He is our master. There is no one

greater than Him. No one more intelligent than Him. " Na tvat

samobhya " .

It is also stated clearly that - " Ishvar Ansh, Jeev Avinaashi Chetan

Amal Sahaj Sukhraashi " We are also part of that imperishable,

consciousness, flawless, full of bliss element. Only bliss is our

natural state! And inspite of being blissful, out of affinity with

the perishable element, we have become base. (so maayaa bas bhayo

gosaayi ) Thoughts such as " I am wealthy " and believing yourself to

be great because you are wealthy or considering someone great

because they are well-known, or that they have a huge following etc

is the illusory power of Maya. The only reason we are great is

because of Paramatma. There is no greatness in us regarding

anything else. Paramatma is the Master. The reason we believe

ourselves to be perishable is because of the illusive powers

of " Maya " .

We are like that monkey, who is trapped by his own ignorance. The

monkey trapper simply places a rounded pot filled with nuts and

keeps it for the monkey. The monkey arrives and puts both his hands

inside the rounded pot to get the nuts. But being greedy, he grabs

with both hands and taking a handful of nutsm he is unable to

withdraw his hand out of the narrow top. Now the monkey feels

trapped even though there is nothing holding his hand into the pot.

We too are just like the monkey. We feel ourselves to be trapped.

There are no bondages. We consider ourselves to be bonded. Even

the educated ones consider themselves to be totally trapped. In the

clutches of Maya. The traps of likes and dislikes.

Please therefore believe in God. He is the Master of all. He

Naath! (O Father ! ). Call out to Bhagavaan. But instead, we

continue to remain trapped in perishables. We busy ourselves in

collecting things, in enjoyment of pleasures etc. Parents are

attached to children. They feel simply trapped and don't know how

to get out of that trap. They know about all other things - how to

make money, hwo to acquire and hoard things, all about beauty and

natural health remedies, about Ayurveda, or homeopathy etc. But

when it comes to this, they are simply not able to give up

attachment.

As long as we keep thinking that the perishable things are ours and

for us, till then we are in bondage. We are trapped. This house is

mine and for me. Nothing will come with us, yet we are totally

trapped in this business. Someday we will have to leave from this

business. If you are one of those that is trapped, call out to

God. Your mind will be purified. Depend only on Bhagavaan. Call

out to Bhagavaan. All your sorrows will come to an end. Educated

or uneducated, there is no difference, when it comes to drowning

there is no difference. Similiarly with a true heart call out to

Him and recite His name.

Those who do satsang, will see a change. They will definitely be

purified. I have seen in villages, those that have been engaged in

satsang have changed. Though overall there are very few that know

the true essence. Just like there are very few men that really

know, but each and every one of you can know. I have complete faith

that you all know, but you do not stay with it. You do not believe

in it. You do not become firm on these points. You do not aim for

Bhagavaan, inspite of knowing that on engaging in satsang you feel

peaceful, feel contented, then to you do not make any effort to

engage in satsang. You do not respect your own insights, your own

understanding. Without Bhagavaan, you will not be in peace.

Becoming someone's disciple will not necessarily lead you to peace.

It will only create a different organization, a different group

etc. Instead with a true and simple heart call out to God.

There was a man who was in a painful and sorrowful state. He went

to a saint for help. The saints told him that whatever is the

largest object you have at home, repeat the mantra - " Turn into

gold. " Do this for 24 hours. He did so, for the entire day and

night, and when the completion of the 24 hours were nearing and he

did not see it changing to gold, his mind said that since it is not

changing to gold, minimally make it of iron. The pot turned into

iron. Such is our lives too. It happens in all most cases, we

think and desire iron instead of gold (Bhagavaan). We do not

believe in the Bhagavaan and His powers. True things are rare.

Therefore call out to Bhagavaan. Do it and see for yourself, call

out to Bhagavaan. There is no loss in trying it out, no harm

whatsoever. Therefore try to do so. He Naath, He Naath, He Naath

Narayana Narayana Narayana !

From Discourse in Hindi on Dec 20th, 2000 at 5:00 a.m. by Swami

Ramsukhdasji

Ram Ram

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January 15, 2009

Shree Hari, Ram Ram

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QUESTION: All this is good satsang talk, but i feel we need to

understand the karyakaaran bhav (sentiments of cause and effect) of

contemporary issues like:

- Why is it that Kashmiris Hindus had to suffer so much

- Sikh Gurus were tortured?

- The current state of affairs why do we have such rulers who are

anti Hindu? (how can we be in a natural state of " bliss " in such a

state? current state is detrimental to spirituality)

regards, Ajeya Mehta

" Live for an ideal, and that one ideal alone. Let it be so great, so

strong, that there may be nothing else left in the mind; no place

for anything else, no time for anything else. " - Swami Vivekananda

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NEW POSTING

Summary of Sadhak's messages -

- There is definite Cause and Effect relation from karmas

- Gita has answers to Individual, World, God and the relationship.

Once understood, one begins to live the Ideal. When Truth is

discovered, all actions then come from that Truth, thus liberating.

Or else one operates from ignorance, leading to suffering.

- yes, one must also address the contemporary issues with nishkaam

bhaav (sentiments of selflessness).

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

Suffering is caused by karmas of those suffering. To some extent

such answers may satisfy or pacify us and search for more serious

answers may stop.

Bhagwat Gita's teaching is relevant here, telling us to discover our

true Self, our existence and its meaning, and how it is connected

with world existence, roles we play through our actions/karmas and

what is God beyond what we believe.

Once we discover ourselves as to who we areally are and understand

relationship with world and God, through sadhana suggested in Gita,

all such questions get answered satisfactorily.

Once we have answers we can start living for an Ideal as suggested

by Swami Vivekananda, not before, as Ideal may not be right for us.

Until then the priority should be sadhana. This is because when we

discover Truth about ourselves first, all actions come from that

Truth and hence they are liberating.

If we don't know the truth, we act from our ignorance, the only

cause of suffering.

Namaskar..................Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadaks,

The world has--- areas with all facilities to enjoy, areas in in

Africa where there No water, areas where mixed pleasures and

sorrows, there are places in north poles and south poles where life

is difficult, there are places in deep forests where tribal live

amidst mosquitoes and very unhealthy conditions Etc. Cause and

effect is the reason. If one lived a life destroying nature, he is

born in desert, if one waste water too much not knowing there are

devathas in water, he is born in water scares area, (many saints

used water to curse (Saap) by sprinkle water from their Kamandal -

This shows devathas presence), waste food and will be born begging

for food, be a Dada (height of Ego) and next birth Elephant say

Bagavath, so there are 8400000 species and differant areas with

climate, food water clothing people Etc to suit one` s cause.

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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Good question. We need to pursue that also. That is part of the

nishkama karma. Doing satsang or undertaking sanyasa is a journey.

No one, other than very few, like me would suddenly and instantly

turn a pure saint or a sanyasi.

Do satsang, follow the nishkama karma - which need certainly to

involve answering the questions from Ajey Mehta. But remember, by

nature there are few leaders and lot of followers. Leaders will not

only find answers, but act on them, while followers support the

leaders. Satsang or sadbhavana will provide more supporters and will

turn supporters into leaders.

Sorry, there is no instant answer to your questions, Ajeya, if that

is what you are expecting.

Venu Gopal

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

Venuji, Gitaji says - even the worst of worst sinners can

attain saint hood very quickly " shipram bhavati dharamaatmaa " . (Gita

9:31) with determination and aim of exclusively engaging in

God " vyavasaatmikaa buddhi " .

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