Year 2009 - Year of Change. Can Gita Help in Change Management? Adaptation?

January 13, 2009

QUESTION: Year 2009 is been designated as the year of " change " . How

does Gita help in not only understanding " change " but also

incorporating " change " in our day-to-day life...so much so that WE

begin to represent " change " ?

Manish Badkas

-------------------------------

: Shree Hari :

Ram Ram

13th January, 2009, Tuesday

Someone asked Swami Sharnanandji Maharaj - What is Paramatma (God)

like? He replied that Paramamta is like Himself. The nature of God

and man is the same.

The world changes, if you changed your outlook and nature. Each man

will appear like Paramatma (God) to you. Even the worst of sinners

will appear like God. You cannot change the views of others, but you

have the right, the capacity and the capability to change your own

views. By making your nature pure, everything else becomes pure.

People that kill animals and sell their meat are not liked by others

and are looked upon as lowly. But by trying to see it differently,

you will see these acts to be a part of Bhagwaan's Kaliyug

activities. Whatever happens should be considered as ordained

by God.

Be careful that you do not start considering yourself as the best

and the knower of all, for it is the worst thing that can happen.

Being proud of your goodness is the root of all evils.

Try to change your views and your outlook and the world will hold a

different meaning for you.

Read the Salvation of Mankind - Chapters 6, 7 and 8. They are

important to imbibe in your lives.

Ram Ram

Summary of discourse by Swami Ramsukhdasji in Hindi on 26th

September, 2004 at 5.20 a.m.

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January 14, 2009

QUESTION: Year 2009 is been designated as the year of " change " . How

does Gita help in not only understanding " change " but also

incorporating " change " in our day-to-day life...so much so that WE

begin to represent " change " ?

Manish Badkas

-------------------------------

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

Summary

Entire Gita is aimed at change. Read Gitaji for any changes

Change must take place at the " core " for it to become actions

Key is " listening " with open-mindedness, free of conditioning

He is unable to change, when busy changing others that do not exist!

Changing is seeing false as false and vice-versa.

Shri Krishna's divine play will guide you through all changes

When in doubt read Gita like Mahatma Gandhi did

Have faith in our scriptures, in Gita Mahatmya

Desire for change is from dissatisfaction. Satisfaction has no end.

-------------------------------

NEW POSTING

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

Entire teaching of Gita is aimed to change " a person " from a

limited, timid, helpless, guilt-ridden, self-pitying to limitless

inspite of living with body-mind limitations, courageous, helpful,

steadfast, righteous, duty-bound.

Understanding " changes " deeply at the core of one's being,

automatically gets incorporated in one's actions. This is the very

reason why Krishnaji imparts such knowledge to Arjuna(to us, really)

through dialogues with him so he can listen.

How do we understand deeply?

Sadhakas, in my experience, I have benefited most by listening

intently.

The most powerful way too imbibe any teaching is Listening

attentively, passionately, keeping mind open, feeling words that

come across as needed to hear and are ordained by God for you. It is

not simply information gathering, remembering which is useful for

earning livelihood.

The listening we need to bring about " changes " , in daily life must

break away our wrong notions, beliefs about ourselves and the world,

has to becomes one with our Self-Consciousness! The real change is

freedom from our conditioning, our indentification with limitations

we impose on ourselves.

Why don't we change in such a way?

Because we are busy changing others, and no such " others " exist!

If we think about it, our world is in our mind, everyone we know, we

like, we dislike, spouses, children, siblings, parents, friends,

nationality, religious beliefs, castes, race, everything. All of

these exist as merely images based on thoughts, feelings, knowledge

acquired while dealing with them, so it is the past!

Such a mind is so much divided within itself as these images, and it

considers these divisions real. It is in conflict almost perpetually

as it is trying to change " others " existing within and as mind

itself.

So mind cannot change itself on its own by thinking it to be real.

When we see the truth of such a mind by listening to suggestions

made by Realized ones, the words from them are like microwaves or

laser removing/burning our notions and beliefs and subsequently mind

itself purifies, and paves the way for us to see the truth of what

is false.

There is no " how to " change, only what is false is to be seen false,

and truth will act!

The change is the natural outcome of such listening.

Namaskar.............

Pratap Bhatt

---------------------------

Dear Sadhak,

Hare Krishna

Read Shri Gita. You will feel divine change in every every

thing. Inner change outer change. Worldly change Spiritual change.

All Swamijis take resort to Shri Gita. Shri Krishna is Jagat Guru of

all Swamijis. Swami Ramsukhdas ji or Swami Sharanandji every body

has got knowledge about God from Shri Gita. Chant at least one

Shloka daily. God Krishna will play with you, dance with you, eat

with you, sleep with you, teach you and protect you at every moment.

Congratulations on Makar Sankranti

Mahesh Sharma

------------------------------

This is a very important question for all When Mahatma Gandhi was in

doubt he was referriing to Bhagvat Gita.When we read Bhagvat Gita

and try to evaluate its meaning there are many chances to transform

our life This is change We must have faith in our holy scriptures

Gita's Mahatmya is worth reading.

Truly yours

S S Bhatt

--------------------------------

Dear Sadaks,

Ref: Sri Manish Badkas " Change " . Means the past was not good and

present can it be bright. Past year was not satisfactory.

Satisfaction has NO boundaries and no end, until one is satisfied

past and present.

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

--------------------------------

: Shree Hari :

Ram Ram

13th January, 2009, Tuesday

Someone asked Swami Sharnanandji Maharaj - What is Paramatma (God)

like? He replied that Paramamta is like Himself. The nature of God

and man is the same.

The world changes, if you changed your outlook and nature. Each man

will appear like Paramatma (God) to you. Even the worst of sinners

will appear like God. You cannot change the views of others, but you

have the right, the capacity and the capability to change your own

views. By making your nature pure, everything else becomes pure.

People that kill animals and sell their meat are not liked by others

and are looked upon as lowly. But by trying to see it differently,

you will see these acts to be a part of Bhagwaan's Kaliyug

activities. Whatever happens should be considered as ordained

by God.

Be careful that you do not start considering yourself as the best

and the knower of all, for it is the worst thing that can happen.

Being proud of your goodness is the root of all evils.

Try to change your views and your outlook and the world will hold a

different meaning for you.

Read the Salvation of Mankind - Chapters 6, 7 and 8. They are

important to imbibe in your lives.

Ram Ram

Summary of discourse by Swami Ramsukhdasji in Hindi on 26th

September, 2004 at 5.20 a.m.

-----------------------------

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January 14, 2009

QUESTION: Year 2009 is been designated as the year of " change " . How

does Gita help in not only understanding " change " but also

incorporating " change " in our day-to-day life...so much so that WE

begin to represent " change " ?

Manish Badkas

-------------------------------

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

Summary

CHANGE only once and become CHANGELESS forever

From I am of the World to I am of the God;

From World is Mine to only God is Mine; Nothing else is Mine

Thereafter just watch the grace of God flowing.

Entire Gita is aimed at change. Read Gitaji for any changes

Change must take place at the " core " for it to become actions

Key is " listening " with open-mindedness, free of conditioning

He is unable to change, when busy changing others that do not exist!

Changing is seeing false as false and vice-versa.

Shri Krishna's divine play will guide you through all changes

When in doubt read Gita like Mahatma Gandhi did

Have faith in our scriptures, in Gita Mahatmya

Desire for change is from dissatisfaction. Satisfaction has no end.

-------------------------------

NEW POSTING

Hari Om

CHANGE only once , Dear Sadhaks !

Change from

I am of the world, world is mine

To

I am of the God , only God is mine and nothing else is mine !!

This one change is so powerful, so decisive, so pious, so divine

that after this you don't have to make any other change. To change

is the nature of PRAKRATI not of PURUSHA. Make one change and

thereafter become changeless for ever. Things around you will then

automatically change- thereafter you just watch the grace of God

flowing around you and marvel at it.

Just one change Dear Sadhaks! Only one change!

Happy 2009 !

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

------------------------------

PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

Entire teaching of Gita is aimed to change " a person " from a

limited, timid, helpless, guilt-ridden, self-pitying to limitless

inspite of living with body-mind limitations, courageous, helpful,

steadfast, righteous, duty-bound.

Understanding " changes " deeply at the core of one's being,

automatically gets incorporated in one's actions. This is the very

reason why Krishnaji imparts such knowledge to Arjuna(to us, really)

through dialogues with him so he can listen.

How do we understand deeply?

Sadhakas, in my experience, I have benefited most by listening

intently.

The most powerful way too imbibe any teaching is Listening

attentively, passionately, keeping mind open, feeling words that

come across as needed to hear and are ordained by God for you. It is

not simply information gathering, remembering which is useful for

earning livelihood.

The listening we need to bring about " changes " , in daily life must

break away our wrong notions, beliefs about ourselves and the world,

has to becomes one with our Self-Consciousness! The real change is

freedom from our conditioning, our indentification with limitations

we impose on ourselves.

Why don't we change in such a way?

Because we are busy changing others, and no such " others " exist!

If we think about it, our world is in our mind, everyone we know, we

like, we dislike, spouses, children, siblings, parents, friends,

nationality, religious beliefs, castes, race, everything. All of

these exist as merely images based on thoughts, feelings, knowledge

acquired while dealing with them, so it is the past!

Such a mind is so much divided within itself as these images, and it

considers these divisions real. It is in conflict almost perpetually

as it is trying to change " others " existing within and as mind

itself.

So mind cannot change itself on its own by thinking it to be real.

When we see the truth of such a mind by listening to suggestions

made by Realized ones, the words from them are like microwaves or

laser removing/burning our notions and beliefs and subsequently mind

itself purifies, and paves the way for us to see the truth of what

is false.

There is no " how to " change, only what is false is to be seen false,

and truth will act!

The change is the natural outcome of such listening.

Namaskar.............

Pratap Bhatt

---------------------------

Dear Sadhak,

Hare Krishna

Read Shri Gita. You will feel divine change in every every

thing. Inner change outer change. Worldly change Spiritual change.

All Swamijis take resort to Shri Gita. Shri Krishna is Jagat Guru of

all Swamijis. Swami Ramsukhdas ji or Swami Sharanandji every body

has got knowledge about God from Shri Gita. Chant at least one

Shloka daily. God Krishna will play with you, dance with you, eat

with you, sleep with you, teach you and protect you at every moment.

Congratulations on Makar Sankranti

Mahesh Sharma

------------------------------

This is a very important question for all When Mahatma Gandhi was in

doubt he was referriing to Bhagvat Gita.When we read Bhagvat Gita

and try to evaluate its meaning there are many chances to transform

our life This is change We must have faith in our holy scriptures

Gita's Mahatmya is worth reading.

Truly yours

S S Bhatt

--------------------------------

Dear Sadaks,

Ref: Sri Manish Badkas " Change " . Means the past was not good and

present can it be bright. Past year was not satisfactory.

Satisfaction has NO boundaries and no end, until one is satisfied

past and present.

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

--------------------------------

: Shree Hari :

Ram Ram

13th January, 2009, Tuesday

Someone asked Swami Sharnanandji Maharaj - What is Paramatma (God)

like? He replied that Paramamta is like Himself. The nature of God

and man is the same.

The world changes, if you changed your outlook and nature. Each man

will appear like Paramatma (God) to you. Even the worst of sinners

will appear like God. You cannot change the views of others, but you

have the right, the capacity and the capability to change your own

views. By making your nature pure, everything else becomes pure.

People that kill animals and sell their meat are not liked by others

and are looked upon as lowly. But by trying to see it differently,

you will see these acts to be a part of Bhagwaan's Kaliyug

activities. Whatever happens should be considered as ordained

by God.

Be careful that you do not start considering yourself as the best

and the knower of all, for it is the worst thing that can happen.

Being proud of your goodness is the root of all evils.

Try to change your views and your outlook and the world will hold a

different meaning for you.

Read the Salvation of Mankind - Chapters 6, 7 and 8. They are

important to imbibe in your lives.

Ram Ram

Summary of discourse by Swami Ramsukhdasji in Hindi on 26th

September, 2004 at 5.20 a.m.

-----------------------------

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January 20, 2009

QUESTION: Year 2009 is been designated as the year of " change " . How

does Gita help in not only understanding " change " but also

incorporating " change " in our day-to-day life...so much so that WE

begin to represent " change " ?

Manish Badkas

-------------------------------

NEW POSTING

Dear Aspirants of Peace !

I have one Question. Mr Vyas stated that once you change from of the

world to of the God, surroundings change. My question is that how do

they change? How the grace of God starts flowing? What changes take

place in practical life of the one who made aforesaid change of

vision? Does Gita indicate / confirm such changes?

Thanks

Michael Hagen

------------------------------

Dear Sadhak,

So true sadhak Vyasji...

Just accept firmly----ONLY God is mine, and I am God's.

This acceptance will bring all changes automatically.

With Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

-------------------------------

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSES TO DATE

- CHANGE only once and become CHANGELESS forever

- From I am of the World to I am of the God;

- From World is Mine to only God is Mine; Nothing else is Mine

- Thereafter just watch the grace of God flowing.

- Entire Gita is aimed at change. Read Gitaji for any changes

- Change must take place at the " core " for it to become actions

- Key is " listening " with open-mindedness, free of conditioning

- He is unable to change, when busy changing others that do not

exist!

- Changing is seeing false as false and vice-versa.

- Shri Krishna's divine play will guide you through all changes

- When in doubt read Gita like Mahatma Gandhi did

- Have faith in our scriptures, in Gita Mahatmya

- Desire for change is from dissatisfaction. Satisfaction has no end.

-------------------------------

NEW POSTING

Hari Om

CHANGE only once , Dear Sadhaks !

Change from

I am of the world, world is mine

To

I am of the God , only God is mine and nothing else is mine !!

This one change is so powerful, so decisive, so pious, so divine

that after this you don't have to make any other change. To change

is the nature of PRAKRATI not of PURUSHA. Make one change and

thereafter become changeless for ever. Things around you will then

automatically change- thereafter you just watch the grace of God

flowing around you and marvel at it.

Just one change Dear Sadhaks! Only one change!

Happy 2009 !

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

------------------------------

PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

Entire teaching of Gita is aimed to change " a person " from a

limited, timid, helpless, guilt-ridden, self-pitying to limitless

inspite of living with body-mind limitations, courageous, helpful,

steadfast, righteous, duty-bound.

Understanding " changes " deeply at the core of one's being,

automatically gets incorporated in one's actions. This is the very

reason why Krishnaji imparts such knowledge to Arjuna(to us, really)

through dialogues with him so he can listen.

How do we understand deeply?

Sadhakas, in my experience, I have benefited most by listening

intently.

The most powerful way too imbibe any teaching is Listening

attentively, passionately, keeping mind open, feeling words that

come across as needed to hear and are ordained by God for you. It is

not simply information gathering, remembering which is useful for

earning livelihood.

The listening we need to bring about " changes " , in daily life must

break away our wrong notions, beliefs about ourselves and the world,

has to becomes one with our Self-Consciousness! The real change is

freedom from our conditioning, our indentification with limitations

we impose on ourselves.

Why don't we change in such a way?

Because we are busy changing others, and no such " others " exist!

If we think about it, our world is in our mind, everyone we know, we

like, we dislike, spouses, children, siblings, parents, friends,

nationality, religious beliefs, castes, race, everything. All of

these exist as merely images based on thoughts, feelings, knowledge

acquired while dealing with them, so it is the past!

Such a mind is so much divided within itself as these images, and it

considers these divisions real. It is in conflict almost perpetually

as it is trying to change " others " existing within and as mind

itself.

So mind cannot change itself on its own by thinking it to be real.

When we see the truth of such a mind by listening to suggestions

made by Realized ones, the words from them are like microwaves or

laser removing/burning our notions and beliefs and subsequently mind

itself purifies, and paves the way for us to see the truth of what

is false.

There is no " how to " change, only what is false is to be seen false,

and truth will act!

The change is the natural outcome of such listening.

Namaskar.............

Pratap Bhatt

---------------------------

Dear Sadhak,

Hare Krishna

Read Shri Gita. You will feel divine change in every every

thing. Inner change outer change. Worldly change Spiritual change.

All Swamijis take resort to Shri Gita. Shri Krishna is Jagat Guru of

all Swamijis. Swami Ramsukhdas ji or Swami Sharanandji every body

has got knowledge about God from Shri Gita. Chant at least one

Shloka daily. God Krishna will play with you, dance with you, eat

with you, sleep with you, teach you and protect you at every moment.

Congratulations on Makar Sankranti

Mahesh Sharma

------------------------------

This is a very important question for all When Mahatma Gandhi was in

doubt he was referriing to Bhagvat Gita.When we read Bhagvat Gita

and try to evaluate its meaning there are many chances to transform

our life This is change We must have faith in our holy scriptures

Gita's Mahatmya is worth reading.

Truly yours

S S Bhatt

--------------------------------

Dear Sadaks,

Ref: Sri Manish Badkas " Change " . Means the past was not good and

present can it be bright. Past year was not satisfactory.

Satisfaction has NO boundaries and no end, until one is satisfied

past and present.

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

--------------------------------

: Shree Hari :

Ram Ram

13th January, 2009, Tuesday

Someone asked Swami Sharnanandji Maharaj - What is Paramatma (God)

like? He replied that Paramamta is like Himself. The nature of God

and man is the same.

The world changes, if you changed your outlook and nature. Each man

will appear like Paramatma (God) to you. Even the worst of sinners

will appear like God. You cannot change the views of others, but you

have the right, the capacity and the capability to change your own

views. By making your nature pure, everything else becomes pure.

People that kill animals and sell their meat are not liked by others

and are looked upon as lowly. But by trying to see it differently,

you will see these acts to be a part of Bhagwaan's Kaliyug

activities. Whatever happens should be considered as ordained

by God.

Be careful that you do not start considering yourself as the best

and the knower of all, for it is the worst thing that can happen.

Being proud of your goodness is the root of all evils.

Try to change your views and your outlook and the world will hold a

different meaning for you.

Read the Salvation of Mankind - Chapters 6, 7 and 8. They are

important to imbibe in your lives.

Ram Ram

Summary of discourse by Swami Ramsukhdasji in Hindi on 26th

September, 2004 at 5.20 a.m.

-----------------------------

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5. Focus on subject at hand only.

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January 24, 2009

QUESTION: Year 2009 is been designated as the year of " change " . How

does Gita help in not only understanding " change " but also

incorporating " change " in our day-to-day life...so much so that WE

begin to represent " change " ?

Manish Badkas

-------------------------------

NEW POSTING

Hari Om

A really Good Question by Michael. In fact, the world appears to you

as you are. The entire perspective changes , when you change your

ego. Here the change suggested is the change of ego, basically.

Because ego is nothing except " me " and " mine " ! Fundamentally that

is all ego consists of. When you CHANGE your ego as aforesaid the

entire world changes for you instantly. The FIRST RESULT is that YOU

BECOME VICE FREE ! Automatically !!

If you think deeply then you will become certain that all FAULTS in

you arise out of your faulty ego , in other words out of your

assumption that " I AM OF THE WORLD AND WORLD IS MINE " . When you

change that to " I AM OF THE GOD AND GOD ONLY IS MINE " – that

necessarily means that World is NOT MINE. Once the world , worldly

people, body, mind, intellect , NOTHING IS YOURS – then Greed for

what? Anger for what? Sorrow for what? Desire for what? Jealosy

because of what? NOTHING WORLDLY IS YOURS ! Hence INSTANTLY , you

become FAULTLESS !! ( Read Gita 9:30/31) !! INSTANTLY means at

that very moment ! Can any learned Sadhak point out to me that once

nothing is mine , why shall I become angry ? Why there will a need

arise for me to tell a lie? If something is earned or lost,

something remains or dies, something is good or bad, how does that

matter to me ? Why I shall ever be sorrowful ? I invite each and

every reader to tell me as to why faults of any kind will remain in

me, if nothing worldly is mine ? Why will I sin, if nothing is

mine ?

That is the first major change Mr Michael which occurs INSTANTLY.

All of your faults vanish as if they never existed. That is only a

side effect. The real changes which occur in you because of the

change in your ego are manifestation of certain " divine qualities/

properties " automatically in your personality. Properties like

fearlessness, clear conscience, austerity, kindness, tolerance,

truthfulness, non violence, etc ( Refer BG 16:1 to 16:3 for full

list) . We shall discuss next as to how they manifest unto you

EFFORTLESSLY, AUTOMATICALLY merely because you have made that one

change _ MERE TO GIRDHAR GOPAL, DOOSARO NA KOI. ( Only God is mine,

no body/thing else is mine )

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

-------------------------------

Dear Sadhakas, namaste!

We may look at the difference between " change " and " modified

behavior " . In this context, Change should be from being " person " to

being " no person " .

Becoming " better person " from being " not-so good person " is simply

modifying behavior for some end-gains, or expectations of reward, or

avoidance of punishment.

For example, when a child misbehaves, mom or dad warns him of

grounding in a room etc and child stops temporarily misbehaving, and

returns back to being same.

I am sure this is not what we want in 2009 change, as it is no

change at all, because " person " being the ego, sense of

separate 'me " continues in new garbs or another mask.

Lord Krishna says in Gita to Arjuna(to us really), " you are not such

a person, you are Atman, which is free always, that which never

ceases to be, fire cannot burn, wind cannot dry, water cannot wet,

weapons cannot destroy. As such " YOU " are beyond the space-time, as

space-time consciousness arise in " YOU " when willed.

You are " ME " , the Supreme Consciousness, the One and Whole, you just

don't know it, whereas I KNOW it to be so.

If this is understood deeply, " person " drops away from our

actions/karmas, body-mind becomes instrument in the hand of Divinity

and above all " Change " takes place in 2009 and beyond!

What helps me is I take " Consciousness " for " Krishna " in the entire

Gita.

This very ordinary consciousness we share is the Supreme also as

there is only ONE consciousness! Ordinariness is due to being

conditioned in different ways making us think being separate " me " s.

namaskar........Pratap Bhatt

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Change is the only truth of this world. Everything in this world

changes. Hari Shanker Deo

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSES TO DATE

- CHANGE only once and become CHANGELESS forever

- Change from being " person " to being " no person " .

- world appears to you as you are. The entire perspective changes ,

when you change your ego - " me " and " mine "

- From I am of the World to I am of the God;

- From World is Mine to only God is Mine; Nothing else is Mine

- Thereafter just watch the grace of God flowing.

- INSTANTLY , FAULTLESSNESS !! Why will I sin, if nothing is mine ?

- you are Atman, Knowing this... you are changed forever.

- Entire Gita is aimed at change. Read Gitaji for any changes

- Change must take place at the " core " for it to become actions

- " Consciousness " represents " Krishna " in the entire Gita.

- there is only ONE consciousness!

- Ordinariness is thinking we are separate

- Key is " listening " with open-mindedness, free of conditioning

- He is unable to change, when busy changing others that do not

exist!

- Changing is seeing false as false and vice-versa.

- Shri Krishna's divine play will guide you through all changes

- When in doubt read Gita like Mahatma Gandhi did

- Have faith in our scriptures, in Gita Mahatmya

- Desire for change is from dissatisfaction. Satisfaction has no end.

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Aspirants of Peace !

I have one Question. Mr Vyas stated that once you change from of the

world to of the God, surroundings change. My question is that how do

they change? How the grace of God starts flowing? What changes take

place in practical life of the one who made aforesaid change of

vision? Does Gita indicate / confirm such changes?

Thanks

Michael Hagen

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Dear Sadhak,

So true sadhak Vyasji...

Just accept firmly----ONLY God is mine, and I am God's.

This acceptance will bring all changes automatically.

With Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

Hari Om

CHANGE only once , Dear Sadhaks !

Change from

I am of the world, world is mine

To

I am of the God , only God is mine and nothing else is mine !!

This one change is so powerful, so decisive, so pious, so divine

that after this you don't have to make any other change. To change

is the nature of PRAKRATI not of PURUSHA. Make one change and

thereafter become changeless for ever. Things around you will then

automatically change- thereafter you just watch the grace of God

flowing around you and marvel at it.

Just one change Dear Sadhaks! Only one change!

Happy 2009 !

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

Entire teaching of Gita is aimed to change " a person " from a

limited, timid, helpless, guilt-ridden, self-pitying to limitless

inspite of living with body-mind limitations, courageous, helpful,

steadfast, righteous, duty-bound.

Understanding " changes " deeply at the core of one's being,

automatically gets incorporated in one's actions. This is the very

reason why Krishnaji imparts such knowledge to Arjuna(to us, really)

through dialogues with him so he can listen.

How do we understand deeply?

Sadhakas, in my experience, I have benefited most by listening

intently.

The most powerful way too imbibe any teaching is Listening

attentively, passionately, keeping mind open, feeling words that

come across as needed to hear and are ordained by God for you. It is

not simply information gathering, remembering which is useful for

earning livelihood.

The listening we need to bring about " changes " , in daily life must

break away our wrong notions, beliefs about ourselves and the world,

has to becomes one with our Self-Consciousness! The real change is

freedom from our conditioning, our indentification with limitations

we impose on ourselves.

Why don't we change in such a way?

Because we are busy changing others, and no such " others " exist!

If we think about it, our world is in our mind, everyone we know, we

like, we dislike, spouses, children, siblings, parents, friends,

nationality, religious beliefs, castes, race, everything. All of

these exist as merely images based on thoughts, feelings, knowledge

acquired while dealing with them, so it is the past!

Such a mind is so much divided within itself as these images, and it

considers these divisions real. It is in conflict almost perpetually

as it is trying to change " others " existing within and as mind

itself.

So mind cannot change itself on its own by thinking it to be real.

When we see the truth of such a mind by listening to suggestions

made by Realized ones, the words from them are like microwaves or

laser removing/burning our notions and beliefs and subsequently mind

itself purifies, and paves the way for us to see the truth of what

is false.

There is no " how to " change, only what is false is to be seen false,

and truth will act!

The change is the natural outcome of such listening.

Namaskar.............

Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadhak,

Hare Krishna

Read Shri Gita. You will feel divine change in every every

thing. Inner change outer change. Worldly change Spiritual change.

All Swamijis take resort to Shri Gita. Shri Krishna is Jagat Guru of

all Swamijis. Swami Ramsukhdas ji or Swami Sharanandji every body

has got knowledge about God from Shri Gita. Chant at least one

Shloka daily. God Krishna will play with you, dance with you, eat

with you, sleep with you, teach you and protect you at every moment.

Congratulations on Makar Sankranti

Mahesh Sharma

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This is a very important question for all When Mahatma Gandhi was in

doubt he was referriing to Bhagvat Gita.When we read Bhagvat Gita

and try to evaluate its meaning there are many chances to transform

our life This is change We must have faith in our holy scriptures

Gita's Mahatmya is worth reading.

Truly yours

S S Bhatt

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Dear Sadaks,

Ref: Sri Manish Badkas " Change " . Means the past was not good and

present can it be bright. Past year was not satisfactory.

Satisfaction has NO boundaries and no end, until one is satisfied

past and present.

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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: Shree Hari :

Ram Ram

13th January, 2009, Tuesday

Someone asked Swami Sharnanandji Maharaj - What is Paramatma (God)

like? He replied that Paramamta is like Himself. The nature of God

and man is the same.

The world changes, if you changed your outlook and nature. Each man

will appear like Paramatma (God) to you. Even the worst of sinners

will appear like God. You cannot change the views of others, but you

have the right, the capacity and the capability to change your own

views. By making your nature pure, everything else becomes pure.

People that kill animals and sell their meat are not liked by others

and are looked upon as lowly. But by trying to see it differently,

you will see these acts to be a part of Bhagwaan's Kaliyug

activities. Whatever happens should be considered as ordained

by God.

Be careful that you do not start considering yourself as the best

and the knower of all, for it is the worst thing that can happen.

Being proud of your goodness is the root of all evils.

Try to change your views and your outlook and the world will hold a

different meaning for you.

Read the Salvation of Mankind - Chapters 6, 7 and 8. They are

important to imbibe in your lives.

Ram Ram

Summary of discourse by Swami Ramsukhdasji in Hindi on 26th

September, 2004 at 5.20 a.m.

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QUESTION: Year 2009 is been designated as the year of " change " . How

does Gita help in not only understanding " change " but also

incorporating " change " in our day-to-day life...so much so that WE

begin to represent " change " ?

Manish Badkas

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FOLLOW UP QUESTION:

I have one Question. Mr Vyas stated that once you change from of the

world to of the God, surroundings change. My question is that how do

they change? How the grace of God starts flowing? What changes take

place in practical life of the one who made aforesaid change of

vision? Does Gita indicate / confirm such changes?

Thanks

Michael Hagen

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NEW POSTING

Dear Sadhakas, Namaskar,

A change is always for better, a change is evolution. Time causes mutations in

thoughts, perspectives, concepts, ideas, references, even morals...

With the vast and confirmable data collected by scientific experiments and

theories, we can change our concepts of spirituality. The abstract concepts of

Moksha, Mukti, Heaven, Hell, Yama and his rope, and so many restrictions imposed

on women by the male dominated society....need to be changed....Let us begin the

process of change from 2009.....Gee Waman

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

The most extraordinary change one can make is - " Turning towards Bhagavan "

(IS-ness, God, Paramatma, the Beloved, the Light of all Lights). This is one

change that we have complete control over. Thereafter one becomes completely

free of all worries, fears, sorrows and doubts. When one faces the LIGHT, how

can one see darkness thereafter? It is not possible. All suffering comes from

not facing the LIGHT, not turning towards Bhagwaan (IS-ness, Absolute). Such a

one, how can he do any harm to the world, the society, to the Universe, to the

Cosmos at large, as oneness with everything in the Cosmos becomes the natural

state. Just as a fish surrenders to the water... let us face the Light, turn to

Bhagwaan once and for all, the ULTIMATE CHANGE TOWARDS CHANGELESS. It is the

essence of all the Vedas, Upanishad, Gita and scriptures. It will brings all the

Change Management Gurus of the world to their knees... begging to learn the

secret. IT IS LIKE MAGIC ! FROM " IS-NOT " TO " IS AND ONLY IS " .

Meera Das