We Have Forgotten Who We Are? Your Thoughts?

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Dear Friends,

I would like to share wonderful story. Hope you will also enjoy it.

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A very young prince is kidnapped by robbers. He forgets all about

the palace, even about his father and mother. He grows up as a

bandit. The little prince is now a grown man.

One day after many years, the king's spiritual teacher was passing

by and see the prince and recognizes him, and with great love

embraces him, and calls him " your royal highness. " The young man,

outraged, pushes him away.

But the teacher's faith is unshaken. He begins to tell the young man

stories about his childhood, how life used to be in the palace.

Gradually the prince begins to remember. Finally, memory clears. He

draws himself up: " Now I recall, " he says slowly, as if awakening

from a dream. " I'm not a bandit. I simply forgot who I was. " He

returns home to his father and mother. We are all children of God,

but we've forgotten who we are. Kindly share your thoughts?

Warm Regards,

Santosh Sharma

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

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OM Namah Shivay,

 

Dear Friends,

I would like to share wonderful story. Hope you will also enjoy it.

-

A very young prince is kidnapped by robbers. He forgets all about

the palace, even about his father and mother. He grows up as a

bandit. The little prince is now a grown man.

One day after many years, the king's spiritual teacher was passing

by and see the prince and recognizes him, and with great love

embraces him, and calls him " your royal highness. " The young man,

outraged, pushes him away.

But the teacher's faith is unshaken. He begins to tell the young man

stories about his childhood, how life used to be in the palace.

Gradually the prince begins to remember. Finally, memory clears. He

draws himself up: " Now I recall, " he says slowly, as if awakening

from a dream. " I'm not a bandit. I simply forgot who I was. " He

returns home to his father and mother. We are all children of God,

but we've forgotten who we are. Kindly share your thoughts?

Warm Regards,

Santosh Sharma

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NEW POSTING

 

Yes we seem to forget that the sole purpose of our existence is for

our soul to unite with God. This may take place in this birth or

after 84 lakh births. Its entirely up to us.

Hari Shanker Deo

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Shree hari

Ram Ram

Kindly include your entire name at the end of each post. It will

save us some time and effort. Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

 

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Dear Santosh Sharma

Please read other scriptures You will find many such stories of

revival of such people. This is called miracle.When Sudama met Lord

Krishna he was amazed to see the glory and blessings of Lord

Krishna. Such thing even happens with us too Sudama was amazed to see

the result of his meeting with Lord Krishna

Good things always happens immediately. We must have faith in our

thought and actions then everything is possible

This is the power of Satsang which reminds us about our past and

gives us memory and even every thing with the blessings and healing

effects of almighty God and our Gurus

 

Truly yours

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

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SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSES

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

- Scriptures are filled with miraculous stories.

- Faith and blessings of God and Gurus makes impossible, possible.

- There is great power in Satsang.

- We seem to forget that the sole purpose of human birth is for soul

to unite with God.

 

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OM Namah Shivay,

 

Dear Friends,

I would like to share wonderful story. Hope you will also enjoy it.

-

A very young prince is kidnapped by robbers. He forgets all about

the palace, even about his father and mother. He grows up as a

bandit. The little prince is now a grown man.

One day after many years, the king's spiritual teacher was passing

by and see the prince and recognizes him, and with great love

embraces him, and calls him " your royal highness. " The young man,

outraged, pushes him away.

But the teacher's faith is unshaken. He begins to tell the young man

stories about his childhood, how life used to be in the palace.

Gradually the prince begins to remember. Finally, memory clears. He

draws himself up: " Now I recall, " he says slowly, as if awakening

from a dream. " I'm not a bandit. I simply forgot who I was. " He

returns home to his father and mother. We are all children of God,

but we've forgotten who we are. Kindly share your thoughts?

Warm Regards,

Santosh Sharma

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Dear Sadhakas, namaste!

The story given by Santosh Sharmaji clearly reveals the nature of

God or Self-realization.

It declares we cannot become what we are already. It is just that we

have forgotten and need to be reminded, in our case by Sages and

Saints or Swamiji, all representing God.

Why have we forgotten or cannot realize easily even as Swamiji says

God is already attained?

If the knowledge path appeals one as it would seem like for some of

us, then play a little Devil's advocate.

Ask yourself how come I am taking myself as this body and mind? Is

there any evidence?

I, then, observe: Mind holds the memory of relationships this body

has with others, desires, likes and dislikes, image about

myself " I " call I(a bit more permanent) and world, beliefs,

opinions etc etc.

This body is not telling it is " me " .

I discover, then, only when any thing is perceived by sense organs

with the help of mind(thoughts-feelings) we say it is happening

to " me " , by assuming our body to be that " me " . At this point we may

see by the grace of God that all our experiences need some anchor to

hold them, to tie to some concrete center and poor body is used for

this purpose and the sense of " me' forms the root in terms of this

thought. Over the years this sense " me " , the root gets so strong

and credible we take ourselves to be " me " and never question it. In

not questioning " me " has free reins and drives us crazy by growing

more branches and leaves of caste, nationality, religion, position,

family background etc etc etc.

But the good news is that now we have caught " me " red handed and are

not going to be fooled by it. It may continue for a while due to its

momentum, but then cannot entice us anymore. every time it arise, it

sees the Atman-SELF and it surrenders(merges in it)!

We know without a doubt we cannot be that for which we don't have

proof, meaning that thought of " me " cannot be my true nature, and

true nature is devoid of " me-mine " .

Then subsequent realization comes I am THAT which is always present

in all experiences, before and after experiences, between

experiences, in sleep or dream. Finally all experiences are made up

of the stuff-vastu of SELF, Vasudevam Servam!

Such is only ONE call by any name, Consciousness, God, Truth or

simply THAT!

Namaskar...................Pratap Bhatt

 

 

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SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSES

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

- we cannot become what we already are.

- sense of " me' is root deep and take firm hold on us growing more

branches and leaves of caste, nationality, religion, position,

family background etc

- our anubhava shows that " me " cannot be my true nature, and true

nature is devoid of " me-mine " .

- Subsequent realization is I am THAT which is always present -

SELF, Vasudevam Servam! Consciousness, God, Truth or simply THAT!

- Scriptures are filled with miraculous stories.

- Faith and blessings of God and Gurus makes impossible, possible.

- There is great power in Satsang.

- We seem to forget that the sole purpose of human birth is for soul

to unite with God.

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Yes we seem to forget that the sole purpose of our existence is for

our soul to unite with God. This may take place in this birth or

after 84 lakh births. Its entirely up to us.

Hari Shanker Deo

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Shree hari

Ram Ram

Kindly include your entire name at the end of each post. It will

save us some time and effort. Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

 

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Dear Santosh Sharma

Please read other scriptures You will find many such stories of

revival of such people. This is called miracle.When Sudama met Lord

Krishna he was amazed to see the glory and blessings of Lord

Krishna. Such thing even happens with us too Sudama was amazed to see

the result of his meeting with Lord Krishna

Good things always happens immediately. We must have faith in our

thought and actions then everything is possible

This is the power of Satsang which reminds us about our past and

gives us memory and even every thing with the blessings and healing

effects of almighty God and our Gurus

 

Truly yours

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

 

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OM Namah Shivay,

Dear Friends,I would like to share wonderful story. Hope you will also enjoy it.-A very young prince is kidnapped by robbers. He forgets all aboutthe palace, even about his father and mother. He grows up as abandit. The little prince is now a grown man.One day after many years, the king's spiritual teacher was passingby and see the prince and recognizes him, and with great loveembraces him, and calls him "your royal highness." The young man,outraged, pushes him away.But the teacher's faith is unshaken. He begins to tell the young manstories about his childhood, how life used to be in the palace.Gradually the prince begins to remember. Finally, memory clears. Hedraws himself up: "Now I recall," he says slowly, as if awakeningfrom a dream. "I'm not a bandit. I simply forgot who I was." Hereturns home to his father and mother. We are all children of God,but we've forgotten who we are. Kindly share your thoughts?Warm Regards,Santosh Sharma--------------------------NEW POSTING

Dear Sadhak-insight

To understand your question please remind of a slogan 'Aham Brahmasmi'Besides 'Atma Bodha ' written by Adi Shankeracharya will surely enlighten youThanks, Truly yours

S S Bhatt-------------------------

one day, it was, that nari came to narinder , nothing unusual. excitedly , he came.. narinder, narinder, narinder, I have discovered the secret of joy. the secret of remembrance ........ Whenever you begin any thought.do it with the utterance of aumaum, silence, awareness of silence Aum the soundless sound and, this utterance, narinder, you may utter silently !!! and narinder said " Amen " Amen, said narinder And, for a moment there was nought but silence ............ time was no more ................ only joy ... joy of being no word, no sound ............... only the silent hummmmm of aum. And, yet another day, nari came to narinder , nothing new, of course .............. " narinder, narinder, " he said excitedly " when ever you end a thought whenever you end a thought, do it with the utterance of 'aum.......' 'aum', the soundless sound, Silence ........... awareness of silence the joy of silence .......... i tell you, narinder, this is the secret of remaining in Joy " and narinder said " Amen " for a moment there was nought but silence ............ time was no more ................ only joy joy of being no word, no sound ............... only the silent hummmmm of aum mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. aum ........... Narinder Bhandari

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SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSESShree HariRam Ram

- we cannot become what we already are.- sense of "me' is root deep and take firm hold on us growing morebranches and leaves of caste, nationality, religion, position,family background etc- our anubhava shows that "me" cannot be my true nature, and truenature is devoid of "me-mine".- Subsequent realization is I am THAT which is always present -SELF, Vasudevam Servam! Consciousness, God, Truth or simply THAT!- Scriptures are filled with miraculous stories.- Faith and blessings of God and Gurus makes impossible, possible.- There is great power in Satsang.- We seem to forget that the sole purpose of human birth is for soulto unite with God.- 'Aham Brahmasmi' - Read 'Atma Bodha 'by Adi Shankeracharya

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Dear Sadhakas, namaste!The story given by Santosh Sharmaji clearly reveals the nature ofGod or Self-realization.It declares we cannot become what we are already. It is just that wehave forgotten and need to be reminded, in our case by Sages andSaints or Swamiji, all representing God.Why have we forgotten or cannot realize easily even as Swamiji saysGod is already attained?If the knowledge path appeals one as it would seem like for some ofus, then play a little Devil's advocate.Ask yourself how come I am taking myself as this body and mind? Isthere any evidence?I, then, observe: Mind holds the memory of relationships this bodyhas with others, desires, likes and dislikes, image aboutmyself "I" call I(a bit more permanent) and world, beliefs,opinions etc etc.This body is not telling it is "me".I discover, then, only when any thing is perceived by sense organswith the help of mind(thoughts-feelings) we say it is happeningto "me", by assuming our body to be that "me". At this point we maysee by the grace of God that all our experiences need some anchor tohold them, to tie to some concrete center and poor body is used forthis purpose and the sense of "me' forms the root in terms of thisthought. Over the years this sense "me", the root gets so strongand credible we take ourselves to be "me" and never question it. Innot questioning "me" has free reins and drives us crazy by growingmore branches and leaves of caste, nationality, religion, position,family background etc etc etc.But the good news is that now we have caught "me" red handed and arenot going to be fooled by it. It may continue for a while due to itsmomentum, but then cannot entice us anymore. every time it arise, itsees the Atman-SELF and it surrenders(merges in it)!We know without a doubt we cannot be that for which we don't haveproof, meaning that thought of "me" cannot be my true nature, andtrue nature is devoid of "me-mine".Then subsequent realization comes I am THAT which is always presentin all experiences, before and after experiences, betweenexperiences, in sleep or dream. Finally all experiences are made upof the stuff-vastu of SELF, Vasudevam Servam!Such is only ONE call by any name, Consciousness, God, Truth orsimply THAT!Namaskar...................Pratap Bhatt

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Yes we seem to forget that the sole purpose of our existence is forour soul to unite with God. This may take place in this birth orafter 84 lakh births. Its entirely up to us.Hari Shanker Deo------------------------------

Shree hariRam RamKindly include your entire name at the end of each post. It willsave us some time and effort. Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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Dear Santosh SharmaPlease read other scriptures You will find many such stories ofrevival of such people. This is called miracle.When Sudama met LordKrishna he was amazed to see the glory and blessings of LordKrishna. Such thing even happens with us too Sudama was amazed to seethe result of his meeting with Lord KrishnaGood things always happens immediately. We must have faith in ourthought and actions then everything is possibleThis is the power of Satsang which reminds us about our past andgives us memory and even every thing with the blessings and healingeffects of almighty God and our Gurus

Truly yoursShankerprasad S Bhatt

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OM Namah Shivay,

Dear Friends,I would like to share wonderful story. Hope you will also enjoy it.-A very young prince is kidnapped by robbers. He forgets all aboutthe palace, even about his father and mother. He grows up as abandit. The little prince is now a grown man.One day after many years, the king's spiritual teacher was passingby and see the prince and recognizes him, and with great loveembraces him, and calls him "your royal highness." The young man,outraged, pushes him away.But the teacher's faith is unshaken. He begins to tell the young manstories about his childhood, how life used to be in the palace.Gradually the prince begins to remember. Finally, memory clears. Hedraws himself up: "Now I recall," he says slowly, as if awakeningfrom a dream. "I'm not a bandit. I simply forgot who I was." Hereturns home to his father and mother. We are all children of God,but we've forgotten who we are. Kindly share your thoughts?Warm Regards,Santosh Sharma--------------------------NEW POSTING

Dear Sadaks,

Read Baja Govindam slokas and meanings. It says about Geetha, Bagavan and you and the topic posted.

B.Sathyanarayan

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Namaste

We are Sat-Chit-Ananda - Existence-Consciousness-Bliss Absolute. We have been SatChitAnanda and we will forever be SatChitAnanda.

To weep and wail; to suffer and have grief and sorrow, is not our mission in life. We may come in contact with or be in proximity with the imperfections of life, its dualities, its ups and downs, its pleasures and pains, its joy and grief, its happiness and sorrows, but they are part of the world, not part of us.

Why do we go through this thing called life, sometimes in distress, sometimes in frustration, sometimes in elation, sometimes worried, sometimes anxious, sometimes in a state of self-pity, sometimes in a state of acute sorrow?

"You should not sorrow, you should not grieve," is the firm admonition of Bhagavan to Arjuna, and in the Upanishads issue this clarion call: "Awake, awake, be aware, be aware, open your eyes, become awake, become aware."

We exist in that immeasurable ocean of Satchitananda, which is our beginning and our end - aham adischa madhyam cha butanam anta eva cha ( I am the beginning, the middle, and also the end of all beings). It is an Eternal fact, It is always there.

Why do we forget who we are? Maybe it is the Svabava - the original, uncontaminated nature - being undermined and overcome by the acquired nature. To rediscover one's own true nature - one's own Svabhava - is possible only when one is liberated from one's acquired nature. This path to Perfection requires tremendous effort but Bhagavan tells us how to do it:

 

Devoted each to his own duty, man attains the highest perfection. How engaged in his own duty, he attains perfection, that hear.

 

From whom is the evolution of all beings, by whom all this is pervaded, worshiping Him with his own duty, a man attains perfection.

 

Better is one's own Dharma, (though) imperfect, than the Dharma of another well-performed. He who does the duty ordained by his own nature incurs no evil.

 

One should not relinquish, O son of Kunti, the duty to which one is born, though it is attended with evil; for, all undertakings are enveloped by evil, as fire by smoke.

 

He whose intellect is unattached everywhere, who has subdued his heart, whose desires have fled, he attains by renunciation to the supreme perfection, consisting of freedom from action. GEETA 18:45 to 49

 

In the negation of the acquired nature - the Para-dharma, one comes to the supreme discovery of one's own original nature. The process of negation involves casting aside 'egoism and violence; arrogance and lust; anger and possessiveness.'

 

Forsaking egoism, power, pride, lust, wrath and property, freed from the notion of "mine," and tranquil, he is fit for becoming Brahman. GEETA 18:53

 

To become aware of the Para-dharma which one has ignorantly adopted is to move in the direction of discovering the svadharma. The discovery of one's own nature is truly a supreme state, because the Brahman and the Atman are identical in nature. To discover the Atman is therefore is to discover the Brahman.

 

An inquiry into the processes of the mind enables us to see how we have built up an acquired nature due to which we are caught up in Para-dharma and have lost sight of the Svadharma. To become aware of the acquired nature is the start of the process of being free from it.

Fixing thy mind on Me, thou shalt, by My grace, overcome all obstacles; but if from self-conceit thou wilt not hear Me, thou shalt perish. GEETA 18:58

 

We are Satchitananda - it is with us, it is within us, it is about us, it is the Grace of the Unknown, it is there for all of us, but it is Egoism that stands in the way. The Ego is the acquired nature of mankind. The Ego is the sum total of mind's efforts and the accumulated knowledge of the mind. So long as this knowledge speaks, the voice of Wisdom is unheard. The mind must be stripped of everything and divested of the nature that is has acquired for the purposes of its own security.

 

Total surrender come only when all desires and aspirations of the mind drop away - they are not consciously discarded. He who does that and puts his complete faith in Bhagavan is truly saved and experiences the pure original state of Satchitananda.

 

Occupy thy mind with Me, be devoted to Me, sacrifice to Me, bow down to Me. Thou shalt reach Myself; truly do I promise unto thee, (for) thou art dear to Me.

 

Relinquishing all Dharmas take refuge in Me alone; I will liberate thee from all sins; grieve not. GEETA 18:65, 66

 

To abandon all duties, to relinquish all dharmas is to cast away all the acquired interests of the mind. Man's total surrender is not to something external; it is a surrender to oneself - to one's true and original nature. Thus the doctrine of surrender is not a doctrine of dependence - on the contrary, it is a doctrine of unrestricted freedom.

 

When man discovers, or rediscovers his own nature, then does he declare: Nanyah Panthah Vidyate Ayanaya - There is no other Path at all. It is in this realization that Arjuna declares Karishye Vachanam Tava - I shall do thy bidding, I shall do Thy word.

 

Destroyed is my delusion, and I have gained my memory through Thy grace, O Achyuta. I am firm; my doubts are gone. I will do Thy word. GEETA 18:73

 

Arjuna realized that Bhagavan was indicating to him only his Svadharma. He had so far resisted moving along that path because he had not seen his own Svabhava. Once the perception of his true nature came to him, he spontaneously chose the Path that was indicated to him. His conflict was over; his doubts were dispelled. The Brahman was discovered in the very heart of the Atman.

 

Ram Ram

Deosaran Bisnath

 

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

Deosaranji, You said... Occupy thy mind with Me, be devoted to Me.......

but this mind is "chanchal" (restless, playful)... therefore please be brief so these divine words of yours are not lost or wasted... Thank you! From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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SELF REMEMBRANCE

Krishna loves; Krishna loves himself

Krishna loves his own self; Krishna loves only his own self

Only Himself; BUT

Krishna is all. All beings and non-beings;

All are Krishna .

To some weavering nari-ness; Krishna makes Himself available

He blows his breath through some Mohinder-ness

And, Nari bows down to Mohinder; Calls him his Guru

Mohinder to narinder, Through Smidha

Through Trust, Devotion and Meditation; Flows the gift of the Word, which is Silence

One-ness with Silence

In Silence is the joy of One-ness; In Silence is the joy of Love; In Silence is this Great Knowing

The Knowing of Love ; The Knowing of One-ness

The Knowing of the Self

Self remembrance

the Word is the Light, the word itself is Love

And Love is Krishna

Krishna is Love

Love of the self

Self remembrance One-ness

One-ness of the Guru and You

Oneness of Krishna and the Guru

One-ness of Krishna Guru and YOU

Krishna Himself is all

Krishna , who loves only Himself and is YOU

BUT,

the Natkhat puts the Onus on You

The Onus for self Remembrance !

And Yet,, dear sadhaka,

His Love for you is manifest

in His Showing you the Way

and that too,

only if you are truly willing to walk the path

that has been called , ' the razors edge!' !!!!!!

AUM

narinder bhandari

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Dear Sadhak-insight

To understand your question please remind of a slogan 'Aham Brahmasmi'Besides 'Atma Bodha ' written by Adi Shankeracharya will surely enlighten youThanks, Truly yours

S S Bhatt-------------------------

one day, it was, that nari came to narinder , nothing unusual. excitedly , he came..

narinder, narinder, narinder,

I have discovered the secret of joy. the secret of remembrance ........

Whenever you begin any thought.do it with the utterance of aum

aum, silence, awareness of silence Aum the soundless sound

and, this utterance, narinder, you may utter silently !!!

and narinder said " Amen " Amen, said narinder

And, for a moment there was nought but silence ............

time was no more ................ only joy ... joy of being

no word, no sound ............... only the silent hummmmm of aum.

And, yet another day, nari came to narinder , nothing new, of course ..............

" narinder, narinder, " he said excitedly " when ever you end a thought

whenever you end a thought, do it with the utterance of 'aum.......'

'aum', the soundless sound, Silence ........... awareness of silence

the joy of silence .......... i tell you, narinder, this is the secret of remaining in Joy "

and narinder said " Amen " for a moment there was nought but silence ............

time was no more ................ only joy joy of being

no word, no sound ............... only the silent hummmmm of aum mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

aum ........... Narinder Bhandari

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--------------------------PRIOR POSTINGS

SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSESShree HariRam Ram

- we cannot become what we already are.- sense of "me' is root deep and take firm hold on us growing morebranches and leaves of caste, nationality, religion, position,family background etc- our anubhava shows that "me" cannot be my true nature, and truenature is devoid of "me-mine".- Subsequent realization is I am THAT which is always present -SELF, Vasudevam Servam! Consciousness, God, Truth or simply THAT!- Scriptures are filled with miraculous stories.- Faith and blessings of God and Gurus makes impossible, possible.- There is great power in Satsang.- We seem to forget that the sole purpose of human birth is for soulto unite with God.- 'Aham Brahmasmi' - Read 'Atma Bodha 'by Adi Shankeracharya

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Dear Sadhakas, namaste!The story given by Santosh Sharmaji clearly reveals the nature ofGod or Self-realization.It declares we cannot become what we are already. It is just that wehave forgotten and need to be reminded, in our case by Sages andSaints or Swamiji, all representing God.Why have we forgotten or cannot realize easily even as Swamiji saysGod is already attained?If the knowledge path appeals one as it would seem like for some ofus, then play a little Devil's advocate.Ask yourself how come I am taking myself as this body and mind? Isthere any evidence?I, then, observe: Mind holds the memory of relationships this bodyhas with others, desires, likes and dislikes, image aboutmyself "I" call I(a bit more permanent) and world, beliefs,opinions etc etc.This body is not telling it is "me".I discover, then, only when any thing is perceived by sense organswith the help of mind(thoughts-feelings) we say it is happeningto "me", by assuming our body to be that "me". At this point we maysee by the grace of God that all our experiences need some anchor tohold them, to tie to some concrete center and poor body is used forthis purpose and the sense of "me' forms the root in terms of thisthought. Over the years this sense "me", the root gets so strongand credible we take ourselves to be "me" and never question it. Innot questioning "me" has free reins and drives us crazy by growingmore branches and leaves of caste, nationality, religion, position,family background etc etc etc.But the good news is that now we have caught "me" red handed and arenot going to be fooled by it. It may continue for a while due to itsmomentum, but then cannot entice us anymore. every time it arise, itsees the Atman-SELF and it surrenders(merges in it)!We know without a doubt we cannot be that for which we don't haveproof, meaning that thought of "me" cannot be my true nature, andtrue nature is devoid of "me-mine".Then subsequent realization comes I am THAT which is always presentin all experiences, before and after experiences, betweenexperiences, in sleep or dream. Finally all experiences are made upof the stuff-vastu of SELF, Vasudevam Servam!Such is only ONE call by any name, Consciousness, God, Truth orsimply THAT!Namaskar...................Pratap Bhatt

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Yes we seem to forget that the sole purpose of our existence is forour soul to unite with God. This may take place in this birth orafter 84 lakh births. Its entirely up to us.Hari Shanker Deo------------------------------

Shree hariRam RamKindly include your entire name at the end of each post. It willsave us some time and effort. Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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Dear Santosh SharmaPlease read other scriptures You will find many such stories ofrevival of such people. This is called miracle.When Sudama met LordKrishna he was amazed to see the glory and blessings of LordKrishna. Such thing even happens with us too Sudama was amazed to seethe result of his meeting with Lord KrishnaGood things always happens immediately. We must have faith in ourthought and actions then everything is possibleThis is the power of Satsang which reminds us about our past andgives us memory and even every thing with the blessings and healingeffects of almighty God and our Gurus

Truly yoursShankerprasad S Bhatt

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Dear Friends,I would like to share wonderful story. Hope you will also enjoy it.-A very young prince is kidnapped by robbers. He forgets all aboutthe palace, even about his father and mother. He grows up as abandit. The little prince is now a grown man.One day after many years, the king's spiritual teacher was passingby and see the prince and recognizes him, and with great loveembraces him, and calls him "your royal highness." The young man,outraged, pushes him away.But the teacher's faith is unshaken. He begins to tell the young manstories about his childhood, how life used to be in the palace.Gradually the prince begins to remember. Finally, memory clears. Hedraws himself up: "Now I recall," he says slowly, as if awakeningfrom a dream. "I'm not a bandit. I simply forgot who I was." Hereturns home to his father and mother. We are all children of God,but we've forgotten who we are. Kindly share your thoughts?Warm Regards,Santosh Sharma--------------------------NEW POSTING

Namaste.

 

My apologies for going on for so many paragraphs - it's such an important topic, the ultimate goal of all beings, that one can go on and on....I urge all to read and study GEETA, at least and especially Chapter 18. Do it repeatedly until you have a good grasp of it.

 

And he who will study this sacred dialogue of ours, by him shall I have been worshipped by the Yajna of knowledge; such is My conviction. GEETA 18:70

 

We should not stop studying and living Chapter 18 because we learn everyday and we observe, discern, and become more aware of the underlying message, and the nuances and subtleties, each time we partake of GEETA. When you teach you learn even more; to those who teach GEETA to others, Bhagavan considers them 'dearer to Me':

 

He who with supreme devotion to Me will teach this deeply profound philosophy to My devotees, shall doubtless come to Me alone.

Nor among men is there any who does dearer service to Me, nor shall there be another on earth dearer to Me, than he. GEETA 18: 68, 69

 

Ram Ram,

Deosaran Bisnath.

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narinder's thoughts .........................yes ???????????

 

words are words ..............and, words are thoughts ............

 

words that lead the self to the Self ,

 

to Bliss that seeks not the other for Joy or Love

 

are the words that narinder seeks from the Lord ..............

 

and in return( a prayer ?), surrender at the Lords feet,

 

all words that perpetuate dependence on words ..........

 

Ah, there is nothing new under the Sun, my friends, ......and yet, the ray that warms narinder's heart this moment now, .......is new, ever new !!! The ray that began its journey many sun-years afore, to sing and dance in nari's heart, this moment now , to waltz narinder away unto the Sun's embrace, is ever new, ever the self, ......and will so remain ever new, ever fresh, ever pure, ever unsoiled, and unsullied .... !!! ah, my friends, all that needs to be said, spoken and shared, has been uttered in myriads of words ........and yet, narinder , once again, begins his song of Love to share, to speak, to say, ......how beautiful you are ,

 

how loving your being, How joyous your Love for the Self .......................

the Self you truly are !!!!!

ah, Joy!!

AUM

narinder bhandari

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

Arjuna too had forgotten.... and then ... he remembered -

"nashto moha, smritir labdhvaa" (Gita 18:73). I now recollect, I now remember. Swamiji says - That which is remembered, what effort is involved in that ? It is not that you have to even try to remember. On it's own, it surfaces and you recollect. "Smritir labdhvaa." It was once forgotten because the attention was not there on it. But now it is remembered, because the attention is on it... it is as simple as that.....

When attention is on the world, the real Self is forgotten.

Meera Das, Ram Ram --------

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Dear Sadaks,Read Baja Govindam slokas and meanings. It says about Geetha, Bagavan and you and the topic posted.B.Sathyanarayan--------------------------Namaste

We are Sat-Chit-Ananda - Existence-Consciousness-Bliss Absolute. We have been SatChitAnanda and we will forever be SatChitAnanda.To weep and wail; to suffer and have grief and sorrow, is not our mission in life. We may come in contact with or be in proximity with the imperfections of life, its dualities, its ups and downs, its pleasures and pains, its joy and grief, its happiness and sorrows, but they are part of the world, not part of us.Why do we go through this thing called life, sometimes in distress, sometimes in frustration, sometimes in elation, sometimes worried, sometimes anxious, sometimes in a state of self-pity, sometimes in a state of acute sorrow?"You should not sorrow, you should not grieve," is the firm admonition of Bhagavan to Arjuna, and in the Upanishads issue this clarion call: "Awake, awake, be aware, be aware, open your eyes, become awake, become aware."We exist in that immeasurable ocean of Satchitananda, which is our beginning and our end - aham adischa madhyam cha butanam anta eva cha ( I am the beginning, the middle, and also the end of all beings). It is an Eternal fact, It is always there. Why do we forget who we are? Maybe it is the Svabava - the original, uncontaminated nature - being undermined and overcome by the acquired nature. To rediscover one's own true nature - one's own Svabhava - is possible only when one is liberated from one's acquired nature. This path to Perfection requires tremendous effort but Bhagavan tells us how to do it: Devoted each to his own duty, man attains the highest perfection. How engaged in his own duty, he attains perfection, that hear. From whom is the evolution of all beings, by whom all this is pervaded, worshiping Him with his own duty, a man attains perfection. Better is one's own Dharma, (though) imperfect, than the Dharma of another well-performed. He who does the duty ordained by his own nature incurs no evil. One should not relinquish, O son of Kunti, the duty to which one is born, though it is attended with evil; for, all undertakings are enveloped by evil, as fire by smoke.He whose intellect is unattached everywhere, who has subdued his heart, whose desires have fled, he attains by renunciation to the supreme perfection, consisting of freedom from action. GEETA 18:45 to 49 In the negation of the acquired nature - the Para-dharma, one comes to the supreme discovery of one's own original nature. The process of negation involves casting aside 'egoism and violence; arrogance and lust; anger and possessiveness.' Forsaking egoism, power, pride, lust, wrath and property, freed from the notion of "mine," and tranquil, he is fit for becoming Brahman. GEETA 18:53 To become aware of the Para-dharma which one has ignorantly adopted is to move in the direction of discovering the svadharma. The discovery of one's own nature is truly a supreme state, because the Brahman and the Atman are identical in nature. To discover the Atman is therefore is to discover the Brahman. An inquiry into the processes of the mind enables us to see how we have built up an acquired nature due to which we are caught up in Para-dharma and have lost sight of the Svadharma. To become aware of the acquired nature is the start of the process of being free from it.

Fixing thy mind on Me, thou shalt, by My grace, overcome all obstacles; but if from self-conceit thou wilt not hear Me, thou shalt perish. GEETA 18:58 We are Satchitananda - it is with us, it is within us, it is about us, it is the Grace of the Unknown, it is there for all of us, but it is Egoism that stands in the way. The Ego is the acquired nature of mankind. The Ego is the sum total of mind's efforts and the accumulated knowledge of the mind. So long as this knowledge speaks, the voice of Wisdom is unheard. The mind must be stripped of everything and divested of the nature that is has acquired for the purposes of its own security. Total surrender come only when all desires and aspirations of the mind drop away - they are not consciously discarded. He who does that and puts his complete faith in Bhagavan is truly saved and experiences the pure original state of Satchitananda. Occupy thy mind with Me, be devoted to Me, sacrifice to Me, bow down to Me. Thou shalt reach Myself; truly do I promise unto thee, (for) thou art dear to Me. Relinquishing all Dharmas take refuge in Me alone; I will liberate thee from all sins; grieve not. GEETA 18:65, 66 To abandon all duties, to relinquish all dharmas is to cast away all the acquired interests of the mind. Man's total surrender is not to something external; it is a surrender to oneself - to one's true and original nature. Thus the doctrine of surrender is not a doctrine of dependence - on the contrary, it is a doctrine of unrestricted freedom. When man discovers, or rediscovers his own nature, then does he declare: Nanyah Panthah Vidyate Ayanaya - There is no other Path at all. It is in this realization that Arjuna declares Karishye Vachanam Tava - I shall do thy bidding, I shall do Thy word. Destroyed is my delusion, and I have gained my memory through Thy grace, O Achyuta. I am firm; my doubts are gone. I will do Thy word. GEETA 18:73 Arjuna realized that Bhagavan was indicating to him only his Svadharma. He had so far resisted moving along that path because he had not seen his own Svabhava. Once the perception of his true nature came to him, he spontaneously chose the Path that was indicated to him. His conflict was over; his doubts were dispelled. The Brahman was discovered in the very heart of the Atman. Ram Ram Deosaran Bisnath --------------------------Shree Hari Ram Ram Deosaranji, You said... Occupy thy mind with Me, be devoted to Me.......but this mind is "chanchal" (restless, playful)... therefore please be brief so these divine words of yours are not lost or wasted... Thank you! From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram --------------------------

SELF REMEMBRANCE

Krishna loves; Krishna loves himself

Krishna loves his own self; Krishna loves only his own self

Only Himself; BUT

Krishna is all. All beings and non-beings;

All are Krishna .

To some weavering nari-ness; Krishna makes Himself available

He blows his breath through some Mohinder-ness

And, Nari bows down to Mohinder; Calls him his Guru

Mohinder to narinder, Through Smidha

Through Trust, Devotion and Meditation; Flows the gift of the Word, which is Silence

One-ness with Silence

In Silence is the joy of One-ness; In Silence is the joy of Love; In Silence is this Great Knowing

The Knowing of Love ; The Knowing of One-ness

The Knowing of the Self

Self remembrance

the Word is the Light, the word itself is Love

And Love is Krishna

Krishna is Love

Love of the self

Self remembrance One-ness

One-ness of the Guru and You

Oneness of Krishna and the Guru

One-ness of Krishna Guru and YOU

Krishna Himself is all

Krishna , who loves only Himself and is YOU

BUT,

the Natkhat puts the Onus on You

The Onus for self Remembrance !

And Yet,, dear sadhaka,

His Love for you is manifest

in His Showing you the Way

and that too,

only if you are truly willing to walk the path

that has been called , ' the razors edge!' !!!!!!

AUM

narinder bhandari

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Dear Sadhak-insight

To understand your question please remind of a slogan 'Aham Brahmasmi'Besides 'Atma Bodha ' written by Adi Shankeracharya will surely enlighten youThanks, Truly yours

S S Bhatt-------------------------

one day, it was, that nari came to narinder , nothing unusual. excitedly , he came..

narinder, narinder, narinder,

I have discovered the secret of joy. the secret of remembrance ........

Whenever you begin any thought.do it with the utterance of aum

aum, silence, awareness of silence Aum the soundless sound

and, this utterance, narinder, you may utter silently !!!

and narinder said " Amen " Amen, said narinder

And, for a moment there was nought but silence ............

time was no more ................ only joy ... joy of being

no word, no sound ............... only the silent hummmmm of aum.

And, yet another day, nari came to narinder , nothing new, of course ..............

" narinder, narinder, " he said excitedly " when ever you end a thought

whenever you end a thought, do it with the utterance of 'aum.......'

'aum', the soundless sound, Silence ........... awareness of silence

the joy of silence .......... i tell you, narinder, this is the secret of remaining in Joy "

and narinder said " Amen " for a moment there was nought but silence ............

time was no more ................ only joy joy of being

no word, no sound ............... only the silent hummmmm of aum mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

aum ........... Narinder Bhandari

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SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSESShree HariRam Ram

- we cannot become what we already are.- sense of "me' is root deep and take firm hold on us growing morebranches and leaves of caste, nationality, religion, position,family background etc- our anubhava shows that "me" cannot be my true nature, and truenature is devoid of "me-mine".- Subsequent realization is I am THAT which is always present -SELF, Vasudevam Servam! Consciousness, God, Truth or simply THAT!- Scriptures are filled with miraculous stories.- Faith and blessings of God and Gurus makes impossible, possible.- There is great power in Satsang.- We seem to forget that the sole purpose of human birth is for soulto unite with God.- 'Aham Brahmasmi' - Read 'Atma Bodha 'by Adi Shankeracharya

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Dear Sadhakas, namaste!The story given by Santosh Sharmaji clearly reveals the nature ofGod or Self-realization.It declares we cannot become what we are already. It is just that wehave forgotten and need to be reminded, in our case by Sages andSaints or Swamiji, all representing God.Why have we forgotten or cannot realize easily even as Swamiji saysGod is already attained?If the knowledge path appeals one as it would seem like for some ofus, then play a little Devil's advocate.Ask yourself how come I am taking myself as this body and mind? Isthere any evidence?I, then, observe: Mind holds the memory of relationships this bodyhas with others, desires, likes and dislikes, image aboutmyself "I" call I(a bit more permanent) and world, beliefs,opinions etc etc.This body is not telling it is "me".I discover, then, only when any thing is perceived by sense organswith the help of mind(thoughts-feelings) we say it is happeningto "me", by assuming our body to be that "me". At this point we maysee by the grace of God that all our experiences need some anchor tohold them, to tie to some concrete center and poor body is used forthis purpose and the sense of "me' forms the root in terms of thisthought. Over the years this sense "me", the root gets so strongand credible we take ourselves to be "me" and never question it. Innot questioning "me" has free reins and drives us crazy by growingmore branches and leaves of caste, nationality, religion, position,family background etc etc etc.But the good news is that now we have caught "me" red handed and arenot going to be fooled by it. It may continue for a while due to itsmomentum, but then cannot entice us anymore. every time it arise, itsees the Atman-SELF and it surrenders(merges in it)!We know without a doubt we cannot be that for which we don't haveproof, meaning that thought of "me" cannot be my true nature, andtrue nature is devoid of "me-mine".Then subsequent realization comes I am THAT which is always presentin all experiences, before and after experiences, betweenexperiences, in sleep or dream. Finally all experiences are made upof the stuff-vastu of SELF, Vasudevam Servam!Such is only ONE call by any name, Consciousness, God, Truth orsimply THAT!Namaskar...................Pratap Bhatt

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Yes we seem to forget that the sole purpose of our existence is forour soul to unite with God. This may take place in this birth orafter 84 lakh births. Its entirely up to us.Hari Shanker Deo------------------------------

Shree hariRam RamKindly include your entire name at the end of each post. It willsave us some time and effort. Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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Dear Santosh SharmaPlease read other scriptures You will find many such stories ofrevival of such people. This is called miracle.When Sudama met LordKrishna he was amazed to see the glory and blessings of LordKrishna. Such thing even happens with us too Sudama was amazed to seethe result of his meeting with Lord KrishnaGood things always happens immediately. We must have faith in ourthought and actions then everything is possibleThis is the power of Satsang which reminds us about our past andgives us memory and even every thing with the blessings and healingeffects of almighty God and our Gurus

Truly yoursShankerprasad S Bhatt

GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible..3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to theextent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. Be as concise, to the point, respecting sadhaka's time.5. Focus on subject at hand only.6. Do not include links to the other sites.7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc).8. Do not personalize message9. All responses may not be posted.10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting.11. Take into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. i.e. limit the use to Sanskrit words only.Provide English word bracketed.

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