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Dear Saadhakas,

 

Can sombody tell me the meaning of Mukti & Jeevan Mukti.

 

How do we achieve the same.

 

OM shanti.

 

Bhavin Shah

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Dear Saadhakas,

 

Can sombody tell me the meaning of Mukti & Jeevan Mukti.

 

How do we achieve the same.

 

OM shanti.

 

Bhavin Shah

------------------------------

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Ah, my friends,

 

Mukti, we hear, is freedom from being born

again......................

 

but , is it so ?

 

will there really be no rebirth ?

 

............... and why are we afraid of the rebirth ?

 

is it not because we are ever suffering from " Pain, Fear and

Delusion " in our lives .........? "

 

So....................................

 

" Mukti is freedom from Pain, Fear and Delusion........... Dukha,

Bhrama , Bhau "

 

and this state of Mind must come to us in this Lifetime. ..........

it must be available to us Here and Now .............

 

when that happens .... it is called Jeevan Mukti .............. Such

a person is a " Jeevanmukta ......... "

 

When the Fear goes, it goes forever ..... and then , being born, or

not being born matters not !

 

 

And how is it achieved ?

 

The first step is to choose to walk the Way, shown to us by the

buddhas of yore.... by the knowers of

truth............................

 

but if we choose to walk, born out of our own understanding , the

path becomes easy, and Bhagvada Geetha shows us the way ......

through Karma, Bhakti and Gnana ................

 

This, Then , is the reply............ in fewest words.

 

Begin , my friends, and krishna comes to guide you , step by step,

one step at a time ........... His blessings are always with him,

who chooses to walk the path !

 

 

narinder bhandari

-------------------------------

Dear Sadak,

Mukthi is liberation after leaving the body (death). Jeevan Mukthi

is liberating while living itself by ones own power. Jeevan mukthi

is liberating the soul from body by Yoga Sakthi through Susumba

Nerve. Jeevan muktha can come back to life as and when he wants by

austrial body. Jeevan Mukthas are, Sant Gyaneswar, Ragavendrar,

Hatiram Baba at Tirumala Hills, Sant Vemanna and Bramagaru at Andra

Pradseh, Patinathar in Tamilnadu so on. Mukthas are numerous saint

who died but got liberated.

B.Sathyanarayan

-------------------------------

Dear Sadhak

 

Try to undderstand in short. Every human being wish to achieve God's

Realization. When human being leaves his or her body we say he got

Mukti. But if he has done good actions in life then he or she

achieves God's Realization it means Jivan Mukti meaning thereby he

or she has not to take another birth. Both are away from the bond of

birth and deaths There are many scholar who will explain in lenthy

explanation

Always have faith in our scriptures

Follow every principle with devotion and faith

Then we have every chance to achieve God's Realization

Truly yours

 

S S Bhatt

-------------------------------

One is Mrityu (death) another is Mokshyo (liberalization). Well, how

to attain? By realization one gets Mokshyo and by achieving pre-

defined target one gets Jeevan Mukti. Regards

BARIN CHATTERJEE

 

-------------------------------

SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSES

 

MEANING

- Mukti is freedom from Pain, Fear and Delusion, Here and Now this

state is called Jeevan Mukti

- achieves God's Realization it means Jivan Mukti - being away from

bonds of birth and death. Faith in scriptures and follow principles

to achieve realization

- By realization one gets Mokshyo and by achieving pre-

defined target one gets Jeevan Mukti.

- Mukthi is liberation after leaving the body (death).

- Jeevan Mukthi is liberating while living itself by ones own power -

Yoga Sakthi .

 

HOW TO ATTAIN

- choose to walk the Way

- begin then guidance will come thereafter

-

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Dear Saadhakas,

 

Can sombody tell me the meaning of Mukti & Jeevan Mukti.

 

How do we achieve the same.

 

OM shanti.

 

Bhavin Shah

------------------------------

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Hari Om

 

The pure soul (sentient/chetan) exercises its power of connection

and gets associated with nature(insentient/jad/inert) and adopts the

world as " Jeeva " .

 

Liberation / Mukti / Jeevan Mukti/ Moksha / Kalyaan / Freedom /

Emancipation - are the terms denoting disconnection of pure soul

with inert . You cease to be Jeeva upon the same.

 

How do you achieve the same? By positioning yourself into

Equanimity !! In other words by YOGA !!!

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

-------------------------------

 

Priya Sadhak, Namaskar

Do your remember your past birth? if not you are sure not to remember

your present birth in your future birth. So worry about the present

birth only. Actually there is nothing like rebirth. When any life

form ceases to function...it is dead...and that is the end of it..

the deadbody is just like any other innamimate object on this planet

Earth. Mukti is a state when you are free from any material

desire...no other desire except what is required to be alive

peacefully...and jeevan mukti of the life form is its death...

.....Gee Waman

------------------------------

Deear sadhaka,

 

Mukti is temporary durational relief from bondages of material

world. like you get hungry after lunch at dinner time.

 

jeevan mukti is a spirit when you consider in any good bad, ugly

circumstance your connection with parmatama and diconnection from

material world happens. it is very difficult as senses indriyas man

buddhi take sway away the best practioners specially in kali age, so

when state of mukti is unwavered min any state time lapse it is

jeevan mukti.

 

yours sincerely

 

kalrav pande

 

-------------------------------

 

Dear Shahji,

 

I will try to answer your query to the best of my knowledge as I

have understood the questions raised by you:

 

1. Mukti means stopping this chakra of awah jaayi, i.e. end of being

born again and again which happens to all of us until we achieve

moksha or liberation from this cycle of chaurasi laakh yoni;

 

2. To achieve moksha, one has to reach a stage whereby one has no

desires left, whatever we can see and the world are only temporary

and therefore this whole phenomenon of the sansara does not bother

one any more; we are all actors here with a mukhota; in each new

janam we get a new mukhota and we act out our part and then we die

and are born again and again according to our unfulfilled desires

until we are able to establish a contact with our soul and with the

God himself and are completely in love with him and nothing else.

Examples are: Kabir, Mira, Buddha, even though Buddha said he did

not find God in any house that he was born into one birth after the

other; he however has emphasized, inter alia, meditation and

compassion for the one who is working for his liberation, true

compassion at that for every one, irrespective!

 

3. So many paths like karm yoga, gyan yog, bhakti etc. have been

advised to reach the goal to achieve moksha; but I think the easiest

and the ultimate path is pure bhakti when one only loves God and no

one else, not even one's own body, etc. An example is Ram Krishna

Param Hans.

 

4. And then the most important part is bhagwat kripa, after all the

above efforts, whenever God will shower his blessing.

 

JAI SITARAMJIKI, JAI SHRI RADHAKRISHNJIKI, JAI VEER HANUMAN.

 

Agrasen

-------------------------------

I would like to add:

 

The spiritual Path may not seem easy to walk at

first.................. ,

the Upanishads also say, " Sharp like the Razor's edge it is ...

difficult to tread " ..........

The sadhaka needs to be warned .............

 

but

 

if we choose to walk, born out of our own understanding , the

path becomes easy. When the bhakta walks one step, God walks nine

steps towards him. It becomes ' sahaja yoga'

Bhagvada Geetha spells out the step by step Path for all beings,

whatever state of being a person may be.........

it us the way ...... through Karma, Bhakti and

Gnana ............ ....

 

narinder bhandari

 

 

 

 

 

------------------------------

 

Ah, my friends,

 

Mukti, we hear, is freedom from being born

again......................

 

but , is it so ?

 

will there really be no rebirth ?

 

............... and why are we afraid of the rebirth ?

 

is it not because we are ever suffering from " Pain, Fear and

Delusion " in our lives .........? "

 

So....................................

 

" Mukti is freedom from Pain, Fear and Delusion........... Dukha,

Bhrama , Bhau "

 

and this state of Mind must come to us in this Lifetime. ..........

it must be available to us Here and Now .............

 

when that happens .... it is called Jeevan Mukti .............. Such

a person is a " Jeevanmukta ......... "

 

When the Fear goes, it goes forever ..... and then , being born, or

not being born matters not !

 

 

And how is it achieved ?

 

The first step is to choose to walk the Way, shown to us by the

buddhas of yore.... by the knowers of

truth............................

 

but if we choose to walk, born out of our own understanding , the

path becomes easy, and Bhagvada Geetha shows us the way ......

through Karma, Bhakti and Gnana ................

 

This, Then , is the reply............ in fewest words.

 

Begin , my friends, and krishna comes to guide you , step by step,

one step at a time ........... His blessings are always with him,

who chooses to walk the path !

 

 

narinder bhandari

-------------------------------

Dear Sadak,

Mukthi is liberation after leaving the body (death). Jeevan Mukthi

is liberating while living itself by ones own power. Jeevan mukthi

is liberating the soul from body by Yoga Sakthi through Susumba

Nerve. Jeevan muktha can come back to life as and when he wants by

austrial body. Jeevan Mukthas are, Sant Gyaneswar, Ragavendrar,

Hatiram Baba at Tirumala Hills, Sant Vemanna and Bramagaru at Andra

Pradseh, Patinathar in Tamilnadu so on. Mukthas are numerous saint

who died but got liberated.

B.Sathyanarayan

-------------------------------

Dear Sadhak

 

Try to undderstand in short. Every human being wish to achieve God's

Realization. When human being leaves his or her body we say he got

Mukti. But if he has done good actions in life then he or she

achieves God's Realization it means Jivan Mukti meaning thereby he

or she has not to take another birth. Both are away from the bond of

birth and deaths There are many scholar who will explain in lenthy

explanation

Always have faith in our scriptures

Follow every principle with devotion and faith

Then we have every chance to achieve God's Realization

Truly yours

 

S S Bhatt

-------------------------------

One is Mrityu (death) another is Mokshyo (liberalization). Well, how

to attain? By realization one gets Mokshyo and by achieving pre-

defined target one gets Jeevan Mukti. Regards

BARIN CHATTERJEE

 

-------------------------------

SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSES

 

MEANING

- The pure soul (sentient/chetan) exercises its power of connection

and gets associated with nature(insentient/jad/inert) and adopts the

world as " Jeeva " .

- Liberation / Mukti / Jeevan Mukti/ Moksha / Kalyaan / Freedom /

Emancipation - are the terms denoting disconnection of pure soul

with inert . You cease to be Jeeva upon the same.

- Mukti is a state when you are free from any material

desire...no other desire except what is required to be alive

peacefully and jeevan mukti of the life form is its death...

- Mukti is temporary durational relief from bondages of material

world.

- Mukti is freedom from Pain, Fear and Delusion, Here and Now this

state is called Jeevan Mukti

- achieves God's Realization it means Jivan Mukti - being away from

bonds of birth and death. Stopping the cycle of being born again.

Faith in scriptures and follow principles

to achieve realization

- By realization one gets Mokshyo and by achieving pre-

defined target one gets Jeevan Mukti.

- Mukthi is liberation after leaving the body (death).

- Jeevan Mukthi is liberating while living itself by ones own power -

Yoga Sakthi .

- jeevan mukti is a spirit when you consider in any good bad, ugly

circumstance your connection with parmatama and diconnection from

material world happens.

 

HOW TO ATTAIN

- How do you achieve the same? By positioning yourself into

Equanimity !! In other words by YOGA !!!

- Gita spells out the paths

- choose to walk the Way

- begin then guidance will come thereafter

- When the bhakta walks one step, God walks nine steps towards him.

It becomes ' sahaja yoga'

 

--------------------------------

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2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible..

3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the

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6. Do not include links to the other sites.

7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc).

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Can sombody tell me the meaning of Mukti & Jeevan Mukti.

 

How do we achieve the same.

 

OM shanti.

 

Bhavin Shah

------------------------------

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Q: Meaning and How to Attain - Mukti and Jeevan Mukti?

 

There is a school which believes in post-death persistence of an

individual existence considers that an individual can attain Mukti

after the death based upon the " good deeds " while alive. If one

attains the same while living, it is called Jeevan Mukti. But, if you

want academic clarity on this, there remains a gaping differences of

opinions in the understanding of what Mukti means in the first place.

But mostly, everyone tend to believe that it is akin to an invariant

state.

 

Some (e.g. Chaarvaaka, Duryodhana, etc.) say that there is nothing

called Mukti (inavriant). Only the changes we perceive is the

reality. As we have no power to perceive beyond changes, we have no

authority to talk about beyond perception. Even if we do, what is

the use when we cannot manipulate it for our advantage?

 

Some (e.g. Ramanuja) say that Mukti (the inavriant) is a super-set

within which all the sets of all the variants are accommodated. Once

the sub-sets throw away their boundaries they become one with the

invariant. This is conceived as Mukti by the school.

 

Some (e.g. Vallabha, Madhva, etc.) say that the invariant and the

variants have nothing in common and therefore they are exclusive to

each other. However, they admit that the invariant governs all the

variants. They tend to think that the Mukti is a state when a variant

resides in submission to the invariant.

 

Some (e.g. Gowdapada, Shankara, etc.) say that the invariant and

variants are, in fact, inseparable being the same. They are just like

the two poles of a magnet which appear as if opposed to each other

and yet cannot exist without each other. The very multiplicity is an

illusion imposed in one's cognition while the whole universe -

manifested as well as unmanifested - remain nothing but the absolute

in spite of its appearance as variant and invariant in one's

perception. Attaining the unity of the variants with invariant is

obviously perceived as Mukti here.

 

Some (e.g. Buddha) say that the world we know is mere a concoction

brewed within our perception and therefore it is as illusive as the

very perception is. Only Nothing remains when the perception is taken

away. Thence, the reality is The Nothing (again an invariant). In

other words, the invariant (perceived as nothing) itself is the

Nirvana or Mukti.

 

Whatever we argue upon, neither the changeless nor the change seem to

care. They continue as they ought to! They continue to slip away from

our cognitive understanding!! But they seem to be real within our

cognition sometimes and beyond our cognition some other times!!!

Mukti remains elusive till we chase it. Shikhidhvaja gives up

everything sincerely and yet wonders why is this Mukti slipping

away. His wife Chudala enlightens him, " You have not given up Mukti,

My Dear! " .

 

Respects.

 

Naga Narayana.

-----------------------------

Mukti is liberation, liberation from sense of sorrow and sense o

limitedness. It is realization that we are atman and not body / mind

sense complex. Once realization occurs, there is no rebirth jeevan

mukti as there is no doership left.

 

Anil Aggarwal

-----------------------------

Dear sadak referring Gee Waman writing,

Since one does not remember his previous birth, He should definitely

worry, since he is lack of knowledge about where was he before and

why is he now. If he does not worry he continues to live in

different bodies until he goes in quest of his existence. When by

knowledge (Gyana) he understands his existence on this earth, he

seeks Mukthi.

Technically speaking, once a particular plant dies we see the same

plant grow nearby or elsewhere. That by death of this plant, that

particular plant should slowly become extinct, as NO rebirth. So

also we humans die and take form (human or animal) as we did not use

the earlier birth` s purpose.

How did Jesus predict HE will come back to life after his body dies?

HE knew past and the present, by staying 40 days on a hill in

solitude praying for his father. After his death he came alive. How?

That was his austral body by Mukthi leaving his body of bone and

flesh. But if the same christ was not crucified but had he left his

body due to prayer/Yoga is Jeevan Mukthi. Why Jesuis never got

married and lived normal life? Because he was worried about his

present birth and was in search of SAT (Truth) the eternal bliss. He

sent his 13 apostals to preach what? To worry about present birth

and to make this present birth most valuable.

B.Sathyanarayan

 

------------------------------

PRIOR POSTING

 

Hari Om

 

The pure soul (sentient/chetan) exercises its power of connection

and gets associated with nature(insentient/jad/inert) and adopts the

world as " Jeeva " .

 

Liberation / Mukti / Jeevan Mukti/ Moksha / Kalyaan / Freedom /

Emancipation - are the terms denoting disconnection of pure soul

with inert . You cease to be Jeeva upon the same.

 

How do you achieve the same? By positioning yourself into

Equanimity !! In other words by YOGA !!!

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

-------------------------------

 

Priya Sadhak, Namaskar

Do your remember your past birth? if not you are sure not to remember

your present birth in your future birth. So worry about the present

birth only. Actually there is nothing like rebirth. When any life

form ceases to function...it is dead...and that is the end of it..

the deadbody is just like any other innamimate object on this planet

Earth. Mukti is a state when you are free from any material

desire...no other desire except what is required to be alive

peacefully...and jeevan mukti of the life form is its death...

.....Gee Waman

------------------------------

Deear sadhaka,

 

Mukti is temporary durational relief from bondages of material

world. like you get hungry after lunch at dinner time.

 

jeevan mukti is a spirit when you consider in any good bad, ugly

circumstance your connection with parmatama and diconnection from

material world happens. it is very difficult as senses indriyas man

buddhi take sway away the best practioners specially in kali age, so

when state of mukti is unwavered min any state time lapse it is

jeevan mukti.

 

yours sincerely

 

kalrav pande

 

-------------------------------

 

Dear Shahji,

 

I will try to answer your query to the best of my knowledge as I

have understood the questions raised by you:

 

1. Mukti means stopping this chakra of awah jaayi, i.e. end of being

born again and again which happens to all of us until we achieve

moksha or liberation from this cycle of chaurasi laakh yoni;

 

2. To achieve moksha, one has to reach a stage whereby one has no

desires left, whatever we can see and the world are only temporary

and therefore this whole phenomenon of the sansara does not bother

one any more; we are all actors here with a mukhota; in each new

janam we get a new mukhota and we act out our part and then we die

and are born again and again according to our unfulfilled desires

until we are able to establish a contact with our soul and with the

God himself and are completely in love with him and nothing else.

Examples are: Kabir, Mira, Buddha, even though Buddha said he did

not find God in any house that he was born into one birth after the

other; he however has emphasized, inter alia, meditation and

compassion for the one who is working for his liberation, true

compassion at that for every one, irrespective!

 

3. So many paths like karm yoga, gyan yog, bhakti etc. have been

advised to reach the goal to achieve moksha; but I think the easiest

and the ultimate path is pure bhakti when one only loves God and no

one else, not even one's own body, etc. An example is Ram Krishna

Param Hans.

 

4. And then the most important part is bhagwat kripa, after all the

above efforts, whenever God will shower his blessing.

 

JAI SITARAMJIKI, JAI SHRI RADHAKRISHNJIKI, JAI VEER HANUMAN.

 

Agrasen

-------------------------------

I would like to add:

 

The spiritual Path may not seem easy to walk at

first.................. ,

the Upanishads also say, " Sharp like the Razor's edge it is ...

difficult to tread " ..........

The sadhaka needs to be warned .............

 

but

 

if we choose to walk, born out of our own understanding , the

path becomes easy. When the bhakta walks one step, God walks nine

steps towards him. It becomes ' sahaja yoga'

Bhagvada Geetha spells out the step by step Path for all beings,

whatever state of being a person may be.........

it us the way ...... through Karma, Bhakti and

Gnana ............ ....

 

narinder bhandari

 

 

 

 

 

------------------------------

 

Ah, my friends,

 

Mukti, we hear, is freedom from being born

again......................

 

but , is it so ?

 

will there really be no rebirth ?

 

............... and why are we afraid of the rebirth ?

 

is it not because we are ever suffering from " Pain, Fear and

Delusion " in our lives .........? "

 

So....................................

 

" Mukti is freedom from Pain, Fear and Delusion........... Dukha,

Bhrama , Bhau "

 

and this state of Mind must come to us in this Lifetime. ..........

it must be available to us Here and Now .............

 

when that happens .... it is called Jeevan Mukti .............. Such

a person is a " Jeevanmukta ......... "

 

When the Fear goes, it goes forever ..... and then , being born, or

not being born matters not !

 

 

And how is it achieved ?

 

The first step is to choose to walk the Way, shown to us by the

buddhas of yore.... by the knowers of

truth............................

 

but if we choose to walk, born out of our own understanding , the

path becomes easy, and Bhagvada Geetha shows us the way ......

through Karma, Bhakti and Gnana ................

 

This, Then , is the reply............ in fewest words.

 

Begin , my friends, and krishna comes to guide you , step by step,

one step at a time ........... His blessings are always with him,

who chooses to walk the path !

 

 

narinder bhandari

-------------------------------

Dear Sadak,

Mukthi is liberation after leaving the body (death). Jeevan Mukthi

is liberating while living itself by ones own power. Jeevan mukthi

is liberating the soul from body by Yoga Sakthi through Susumba

Nerve. Jeevan muktha can come back to life as and when he wants by

austrial body. Jeevan Mukthas are, Sant Gyaneswar, Ragavendrar,

Hatiram Baba at Tirumala Hills, Sant Vemanna and Bramagaru at Andra

Pradseh, Patinathar in Tamilnadu so on. Mukthas are numerous saint

who died but got liberated.

B.Sathyanarayan

-------------------------------

Dear Sadhak

 

Try to undderstand in short. Every human being wish to achieve God's

Realization. When human being leaves his or her body we say he got

Mukti. But if he has done good actions in life then he or she

achieves God's Realization it means Jivan Mukti meaning thereby he

or she has not to take another birth. Both are away from the bond of

birth and deaths There are many scholar who will explain in lenthy

explanation

Always have faith in our scriptures

Follow every principle with devotion and faith

Then we have every chance to achieve God's Realization

Truly yours

 

S S Bhatt

-------------------------------

One is Mrityu (death) another is Mokshyo (liberalization). Well, how

to attain? By realization one gets Mokshyo and by achieving pre-

defined target one gets Jeevan Mukti. Regards

BARIN CHATTERJEE

 

-------------------------------

SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSES

 

MEANING

- The pure soul (sentient/chetan) exercises its power of connection

and gets associated with nature(insentient/jad/inert) and adopts the

world as " Jeeva " .

- Liberation / Mukti / Jeevan Mukti/ Moksha / Kalyaan / Freedom /

Emancipation - are the terms denoting disconnection of pure soul

with inert . You cease to be Jeeva upon the same.

- Mukti is a state when you are free from any material

desire...no other desire except what is required to be alive

peacefully and jeevan mukti of the life form is its death...

- Mukti is temporary durational relief from bondages of material

world.

- Mukti is freedom from Pain, Fear and Delusion, Here and Now this

state is called Jeevan Mukti

- achieves God's Realization it means Jivan Mukti - being away from

bonds of birth and death. Stopping the cycle of being born again.

Faith in scriptures and follow principles

to achieve realization

- By realization one gets Mokshyo and by achieving pre-

defined target one gets Jeevan Mukti.

- Mukthi is liberation after leaving the body (death).

- Jeevan Mukthi is liberating while living itself by ones own power -

Yoga Sakthi .

- jeevan mukti is a spirit when you consider in any good bad, ugly

circumstance your connection with parmatama and diconnection from

material world happens.

- Mukti is liberation from sense of sorrow and sense o limitedness.

 

HOW TO ATTAIN

- How do you achieve the same? By positioning yourself into

Equanimity !! In other words by YOGA !!!

- Gita spells out the paths

- choose to walk the Way

- to make this present birth most valuable; with only mukti as aim

- begin then guidance will come thereafter

- When the bhakta walks one step, God walks nine steps towards him.

It becomes ' sahaja yoga'

- Attainment is through giving up desire to attain

- Realization occurs when no sense of doership is left

 

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Dear Saadhakas,Can sombody tell me the meaning of Mukti & Jeevan Mukti.How do we achieve the same.OM shanti.Bhavin Shah------------------------------NEW POSTINGMukti means moksha or liberation from the endless cycle of birth and

death. It will come about only when we realise the aim and purpose of

our existence, which is to unite with God or Parmatma. It may happen

after this birth or after 84,00,000 births. The choice is ours. We are

what we are today as a result of our past karmas. What we will become

in our next life will depend upon our present karmas. We can connect

with our true Self by sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation. In India we

are luckly to have saintly souls who have realised in childhood the

futility of everything in this world and have renounced the world. We

can learn from them about the true path to mukti or jeevan mukti. Hari Shanker Deo -----------------Q: Meaning and How to Attain - Mukti and Jeevan Mukti? (contd.)Whether the great seers consider The Reality as Manifested orunmanifested, Unity or Multiplicity, Change-less or Change-ful,Everything or Nothing, All-Inclusive or All-Exclusive, … almosteveryone conclusively agree upon one thing - all our miseries arerooted in our possessive bondage with the worldly notions of emotions,relations and objects; and agree that one can always attain TheHappiness once such bondage is removed. I consider this point as THEONLY USEFUL point worthy of pursuing. The rest is just academic. Whatstays at The Bliss is an eventuality why should we worry?!As Ashtavakra says,Eka eva bhavaambhodhaavaaseedasti bhavishyati |Na te bandho'sti moksho vaa kritakrityah sukham chara ||THAT is The One and The Same however you recognize, imagine, perceive,believe, insist, … THAT alone pervades both the worlds of physicalexistence and perceptional experience - both the objects as well astheir images imprinted in one's mind and memory. THAT alone WAS, ISand WILL BE as anything and everything. Therefore, there is nothingsuch as Mukti since there is nothing such as Bondage in the firstplace. Therefore, be happy that you were, are and will be.Maa sankalpavikalpaabhyaam chittam kshobhaya chinmaya |Upashamya sukham tishtha svaatmanyaanandavigrahe ||Do not unnecessarily torture your mind throwing it into violentoscillations between acceptance and rejection in your notions andbeleifs. Once the notions harbored within, whether the acceptances orrejections, are dropped , the mind automatically settles to theequanimity that is The Bliss Absolute as such as it mitigates all itsimages removing the artificial alienation it had created between theobjects and their images stored within. Once the mind becomesmonlithic with no more images to play with, the multiplicity that wascreated by it mitigates as well, and everything merge into its ownSelf. When the mind is not split between its images, you will feelnaturally happy as ever.Manasaivedamaaptavyam neha naanaasti kinchana; one has to realize theUNITY amongst all through the mind by uncoiling its ignorance whichhad created the fragmentation in the first place. Mrityoh sa mrityumgacchhati ya iha naaneva pashyati … till the mind is scattered amongstits multiplicity, it keeps barking aimlessly just like a dog captivein a chamber of multiple mirrors against its own images. The barkingmind is the root cause for the bondage as well as the only symptom ofthe miseries thereupon. The tricky and sticky reality here is that thechamber, the dog as well as the mirros are constituted by the samefractured mind. That makes it all the more difficult.Repects.Naga Narayana.(to be contd.)PRIOR POSTINGQ: Meaning and How to Attain - Mukti and Jeevan Mukti?There is a school which believes in post-death persistence of anindividual existence considers that an individual can attain Muktiafter the death based upon the "good deeds" while alive. If oneattains the same while living, it is called Jeevan Mukti. But, if youwant academic clarity on this, there remains a gaping differences ofopinions in the understanding of what Mukti means in the first place.But mostly, everyone tend to believe that it is akin to an invariantstate.Some (e.g. Chaarvaaka, Duryodhana, etc.) say that there is nothingcalled Mukti (inavriant). Only the changes we perceive is thereality. As we have no power to perceive beyond changes, we have noauthority to talk about beyond perception. Even if we do, what isthe use when we cannot manipulate it for our advantage?Some (e.g. Ramanuja) say that Mukti (the inavriant) is a super-setwithin which all the sets of all the variants are accommodated. Oncethe sub-sets throw away their boundaries they become one with theinvariant. This is conceived as Mukti by the school.Some (e.g. Vallabha, Madhva, etc.) say that the invariant and thevariants have nothing in common and therefore they are exclusive toeach other. However, they admit that the invariant governs all thevariants. They tend to think that the Mukti is a state when a variantresides in submission to the invariant.Some (e.g. Gowdapada, Shankara, etc.) say that the invariant andvariants are, in fact, inseparable being the same. They are just likethe two poles of a magnet which appear as if opposed to each otherand yet cannot exist without each other. The very multiplicity is anillusion imposed in one's cognition while the whole universe -manifested as well as unmanifested - remain nothing but the absolutein spite of its appearance as variant and invariant in one'sperception. Attaining the unity of the variants with invariant isobviously perceived as Mukti here.Some (e.g. Buddha) say that the world we know is mere a concoctionbrewed within our perception and therefore it is as illusive as thevery perception is. Only Nothing remains when the perception is takenaway. Thence, the reality is The Nothing (again an invariant). Inother words, the invariant (perceived as nothing) itself is theNirvana or Mukti.Whatever we argue upon, neither the changeless nor the change seem tocare. They continue as they ought to! They continue to slip away fromour cognitive understanding!! But they seem to be real within ourcognition sometimes and beyond our cognition some other times!!!Mukti remains elusive till we chase it. Shikhidhvaja gives upeverything sincerely and yet wonders why is this Mukti slippingaway. His wife Chudala enlightens him, "You have not given up Mukti,My Dear!".Respects.Naga Narayana.-----------------------------Mukti is liberation, liberation from sense of sorrow and sense olimitedness. It is realization that we are atman and not body / mindsense complex. Once realization occurs, there is no rebirth jeevanmukti as there is no doership left.Anil Aggarwal-----------------------------Dear sadak referring Gee Waman writing,Since one does not remember his previous birth, He should definitelyworry, since he is lack of knowledge about where was he before andwhy is he now. If he does not worry he continues to live indifferent bodies until he goes in quest of his existence. When byknowledge (Gyana) he understands his existence on this earth, heseeks Mukthi.Technically speaking, once a particular plant dies we see the sameplant grow nearby or elsewhere. That by death of this plant, thatparticular plant should slowly become extinct, as NO rebirth. Soalso we humans die and take form (human or animal) as we did not usethe earlier birth` s purpose.How did Jesus predict HE will come back to life after his body dies?HE knew past and the present, by staying 40 days on a hill insolitude praying for his father. After his death he came alive. How?That was his austral body by Mukthi leaving his body of bone andflesh. But if the same christ was not crucified but had he left hisbody due to prayer/Yoga is Jeevan Mukthi. Why Jesuis never gotmarried and lived normal life? Because he was worried about hispresent birth and was in search of SAT (Truth) the eternal bliss. Hesent his 13 apostals to preach what? To worry about present birthand to make this present birth most valuable.B.Sathyanarayan------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGHari OmThe pure soul (sentient/chetan) exercises its power of connectionand gets associated with nature(insentient/jad/inert) and adopts theworld as "Jeeva".Liberation / Mukti / Jeevan Mukti/ Moksha / Kalyaan / Freedom /Emancipation - are the terms denoting disconnection of pure soulwith inert . You cease to be Jeeva upon the same.How do you achieve the same? By positioning yourself intoEquanimity !! In other words by YOGA !!!Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B-------------------------------Priya Sadhak, NamaskarDo your remember your past birth? if not you are sure not to rememberyour present birth in your future birth. So worry about the presentbirth only. Actually there is nothing like rebirth. When any lifeform ceases to function...it is dead...and that is the end of it..the deadbody is just like any other innamimate object on this planetEarth. Mukti is a state when you are free from any materialdesire...no other desire except what is required to be alivepeacefully...and jeevan mukti of the life form is its death.......Gee Waman------------------------------Deear sadhaka,Mukti is temporary durational relief from bondages of materialworld. like you get hungry after lunch at dinner time.jeevan mukti is a spirit when you consider in any good bad, uglycircumstance your connection with parmatama and diconnection frommaterial world happens. it is very difficult as senses indriyas manbuddhi take sway away the best practioners specially in kali age, sowhen state of mukti is unwavered min any state time lapse it isjeevan mukti.yours sincerelykalrav pande-------------------------------Dear Shahji,I will try to answer your query to the best of my knowledge as Ihave understood the questions raised by you:1. Mukti means stopping this chakra of awah jaayi, i.e. end of beingborn again and again which happens to all of us until we achievemoksha or liberation from this cycle of chaurasi laakh yoni;2. To achieve moksha, one has to reach a stage whereby one has nodesires left, whatever we can see and the world are only temporaryand therefore this whole phenomenon of the sansara does not botherone any more; we are all actors here with a mukhota; in each newjanam we get a new mukhota and we act out our part and then we dieand are born again and again according to our unfulfilled desiresuntil we are able to establish a contact with our soul and with theGod himself and are completely in love with him and nothing else.Examples are: Kabir, Mira, Buddha, even though Buddha said he didnot find God in any house that he was born into one birth after theother; he however has emphasized, inter alia, meditation andcompassion for the one who is working for his liberation, truecompassion at that for every one, irrespective!3. So many paths like karm yoga, gyan yog, bhakti etc. have beenadvised to reach the goal to achieve moksha; but I think the easiestand the ultimate path is pure bhakti when one only loves God and noone else, not even one's own body, etc. An example is Ram KrishnaParam Hans.4. And then the most important part is bhagwat kripa, after all theabove efforts, whenever God will shower his blessing.JAI SITARAMJIKI, JAI SHRI RADHAKRISHNJIKI, JAI VEER HANUMAN.Agrasen-------------------------------I would like to add:The spiritual Path may not seem easy to walk atfirst.................. ,the Upanishads also say," Sharp like the Razor's edge it is ...difficult to tread" ..........The sadhaka needs to be warned .............butif we choose to walk, born out of our own understanding , thepath becomes easy. When the bhakta walks one step, God walks ninesteps towards him. It becomes ' sahaja yoga'Bhagvada Geetha spells out the step by step Path for all beings,whatever state of being a person may be.........it us the way ...... through Karma, Bhakti andGnana ............ ....narinder bhandari------------------------------Ah, my friends,Mukti, we hear, is freedom from being bornagain......................but , is it so ?will there really be no rebirth ?.............. and why are we afraid of the rebirth ?is it not because we are ever suffering from " Pain, Fear andDelusion " in our lives .........?"So...................................." Mukti is freedom from Pain, Fear and Delusion........... Dukha,Bhrama , Bhau "and this state of Mind must come to us in this Lifetime. ..........it must be available to us Here and Now .............when that happens .... it is called Jeevan Mukti .............. Sucha person is a "Jeevanmukta ........."When the Fear goes, it goes forever ..... and then , being born, ornot being born matters not !And how is it achieved ?The first step is to choose to walk the Way, shown to us by thebuddhas of yore.... by the knowers oftruth............................but if we choose to walk, born out of our own understanding , thepath becomes easy, and Bhagvada Geetha shows us the way ......through Karma, Bhakti and Gnana ................This, Then , is the reply............ in fewest words.Begin , my friends, and krishna comes to guide you , step by step,one step at a time ........... His blessings are always with him,who chooses to walk the path !narinder bhandari-------------------------------Dear Sadak,Mukthi is liberation after leaving the body (death). Jeevan Mukthiis liberating while living itself by ones own power. Jeevan mukthiis liberating the soul from body by Yoga Sakthi through SusumbaNerve. Jeevan muktha can come back to life as and when he wants byaustrial body. Jeevan Mukthas are, Sant Gyaneswar, Ragavendrar,Hatiram Baba at Tirumala Hills, Sant Vemanna and Bramagaru at AndraPradseh, Patinathar in Tamilnadu so on. Mukthas are numerous saintwho died but got liberated.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------Dear SadhakTry to undderstand in short. Every human being wish to achieve God'sRealization. When human being leaves his or her body we say he gotMukti. But if he has done good actions in life then he or sheachieves God's Realization it means Jivan Mukti meaning thereby heor she has not to take another birth. Both are away from the bond ofbirth and deaths There are many scholar who will explain in lenthyexplanationAlways have faith in our scripturesFollow every principle with devotion and faithThen we have every chance to achieve God's RealizationTruly yoursS S Bhatt-------------------------------One is Mrityu (death) another is Mokshyo (liberalization). Well, howto attain? By realization one gets Mokshyo and by achieving pre-defined target one gets Jeevan Mukti. RegardsBARIN CHATTERJEE-------------------------------SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSESMEANING- The pure soul (sentient/chetan) exercises its power of connectionand gets associated with nature(insentient/jad/inert) and adopts theworld as "Jeeva".- Liberation / Mukti / Jeevan Mukti/ Moksha / Kalyaan / Freedom /Emancipation - are the terms denoting disconnection of pure soulwith inert . You cease to be Jeeva upon the same.- Mukti is a state when you are free from any materialdesire...no other desire except what is required to be alivepeacefully and jeevan mukti of the life form is its death...- Mukti is temporary durational relief from bondages of materialworld.- Mukti is freedom from Pain, Fear and Delusion, Here and Now thisstate is called Jeevan Mukti- achieves God's Realization it means Jivan Mukti - being away frombonds of birth and death. Stopping the cycle of being born again.Faith in scriptures and follow principlesto achieve realization- By realization one gets Mokshyo and by achieving pre-defined target one gets Jeevan Mukti.- Mukthi is liberation after leaving the body (death).- Jeevan Mukthi is liberating while living itself by ones own power -Yoga Sakthi .- jeevan mukti is a spirit when you consider in any good bad, uglycircumstance your connection with parmatama and diconnection frommaterial world happens.- Mukti is liberation from sense of sorrow and sense o limitedness.HOW TO ATTAIN- How do you achieve the same? By positioning yourself intoEquanimity !! In other words by YOGA !!!- Gita spells out the paths- choose to walk the Way- to make this present birth most valuable; with only mukti as aim- begin then guidance will come thereafter- When the bhakta walks one step, God walks nine steps towards him.It becomes ' sahaja yoga'- Attainment is through giving up desire to attain- Realization occurs when no sense of doership is left--------------------------------GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible..3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to theextent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. Be as concise, to the point, respecting sadhaka's time.5. Focus on subject at hand only.6. Do not include links to the other sites.7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc).8. Do not personalize message9. All responses may not be posted.10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting.11. Take into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. i.e. limit the use to Sanskrit words only.Provide English word bracketed.MODERATORRam Ram------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Post message: Subscribe: - Unsubscribe: - , "sadhak_insight" <sadhak_insight wrote:>> Dear Saadhakas,> > Can sombody tell me the meaning of Mukti & Jeevan Mukti.> > How do we achieve the same.> > OM shanti.> > Bhavin Shah> ------------------------------> NEW POSTING> > > Q: Meaning and How to Attain - Mukti and Jeevan Mukti?> > There is a school which believes in post-death persistence of an> individual existence considers that an individual can attain Mukti> after the death based upon the "good deeds" while alive. If one> attains the same while living, it is called Jeevan Mukti. But, if you> want academic clarity on this, there remains a gaping differences of> opinions in the understanding of what Mukti means in the first place.> But mostly, everyone tend to believe that it is akin to an invariant> state.> > Some (e.g. Chaarvaaka, Duryodhana, etc.) say that there is nothing> called Mukti (inavriant). Only the changes we perceive is the > reality. As we have no power to perceive beyond changes, we have no > authority to talk about beyond perception. Even if we do, what is > the use when we cannot manipulate it for our advantage?> > Some (e.g. Ramanuja) say that Mukti (the inavriant) is a super-set> within which all the sets of all the variants are accommodated. Once> the sub-sets throw away their boundaries they become one with the> invariant. This is conceived as Mukti by the school.> > Some (e.g. Vallabha, Madhva, etc.) say that the invariant and the> variants have nothing in common and therefore they are exclusive to> each other. However, they admit that the invariant governs all the> variants. They tend to think that the Mukti is a state when a variant> resides in submission to the invariant.> > Some (e.g. Gowdapada, Shankara, etc.) say that the invariant and> variants are, in fact, inseparable being the same. They are just like> the two poles of a magnet which appear as if opposed to each other > and yet cannot exist without each other. The very multiplicity is an> illusion imposed in one's cognition while the whole universe -> manifested as well as unmanifested - remain nothing but the absolute> in spite of its appearance as variant and invariant in one's> perception. Attaining the unity of the variants with invariant is> obviously perceived as Mukti here.> > Some (e.g. Buddha) say that the world we know is mere a concoction> brewed within our perception and therefore it is as illusive as the> very perception is. Only Nothing remains when the perception is taken> away. Thence, the reality is The Nothing (again an invariant). In> other words, the invariant (perceived as nothing) itself is the> Nirvana or Mukti.> > Whatever we argue upon, neither the changeless nor the change seem to> care. They continue as they ought to! They continue to slip away from> our cognitive understanding!! But they seem to be real within our> cognition sometimes and beyond our cognition some other times!!! > Mukti remains elusive till we chase it. Shikhidhvaja gives up > everything sincerely and yet wonders why is this Mukti slipping > away. His wife Chudala enlightens him, "You have not given up Mukti, > My Dear!".> > Respects.> > Naga Narayana.> -----------------------------> Mukti is liberation, liberation from sense of sorrow and sense o > limitedness. It is realization that we are atman and not body / mind > sense complex. Once realization occurs, there is no rebirth jeevan > mukti as there is no doership left. > > Anil Aggarwal > -----------------------------> Dear sadak referring Gee Waman writing,> Since one does not remember his previous birth, He should definitely > worry, since he is lack of knowledge about where was he before and > why is he now. If he does not worry he continues to live in > different bodies until he goes in quest of his existence. When by > knowledge (Gyana) he understands his existence on this earth, he > seeks Mukthi.> Technically speaking, once a particular plant dies we see the same > plant grow nearby or elsewhere. That by death of this plant, that > particular plant should slowly become extinct, as NO rebirth. So > also we humans die and take form (human or animal) as we did not use > the earlier birth` s purpose. > How did Jesus predict HE will come back to life after his body dies? > HE knew past and the present, by staying 40 days on a hill in > solitude praying for his father. After his death he came alive. How? > That was his austral body by Mukthi leaving his body of bone and > flesh. But if the same christ was not crucified but had he left his > body due to prayer/Yoga is Jeevan Mukthi. Why Jesuis never got > married and lived normal life? Because he was worried about his > present birth and was in search of SAT (Truth) the eternal bliss. He > sent his 13 apostals to preach what? To worry about present birth > and to make this present birth most valuable.> B.Sathyanarayan> > ------------------------------> PRIOR POSTING> > Hari Om> > The pure soul (sentient/chetan) exercises its power of connection> and gets associated with nature(insentient/jad/inert) and adopts the> world as "Jeeva".> > Liberation / Mukti / Jeevan Mukti/ Moksha / Kalyaan / Freedom /> Emancipation - are the terms denoting disconnection of pure soul> with inert . You cease to be Jeeva upon the same.> > How do you achieve the same? By positioning yourself into> Equanimity !! In other words by YOGA !!!> > Jai Shree Krishna> > Vyas N B> -------------------------------> > Priya Sadhak, Namaskar> Do your remember your past birth? if not you are sure not to remember> your present birth in your future birth. So worry about the present> birth only. Actually there is nothing like rebirth. When any life> form ceases to function...it is dead...and that is the end of it..> the deadbody is just like any other innamimate object on this planet> Earth. Mukti is a state when you are free from any material> desire...no other desire except what is required to be alive> peacefully...and jeevan mukti of the life form is its death...> ....Gee Waman> ------------------------------> Deear sadhaka,> > Mukti is temporary durational relief from bondages of material> world. like you get hungry after lunch at dinner time.> > jeevan mukti is a spirit when you consider in any good bad, ugly> circumstance your connection with parmatama and diconnection from> material world happens. it is very difficult as senses indriyas man> buddhi take sway away the best practioners specially in kali age, so> when state of mukti is unwavered min any state time lapse it is> jeevan mukti.> > yours sincerely> > kalrav pande> > -------------------------------> > Dear Shahji,> > I will try to answer your query to the best of my knowledge as I> have understood the questions raised by you:> > 1. Mukti means stopping this chakra of awah jaayi, i.e. end of being> born again and again which happens to all of us until we achieve> moksha or liberation from this cycle of chaurasi laakh yoni;> > 2. To achieve moksha, one has to reach a stage whereby one has no> desires left, whatever we can see and the world are only temporary> and therefore this whole phenomenon of the sansara does not bother> one any more; we are all actors here with a mukhota; in each new> janam we get a new mukhota and we act out our part and then we die> and are born again and again according to our unfulfilled desires> until we are able to establish a contact with our soul and with the> God himself and are completely in love with him and nothing else.> Examples are: Kabir, Mira, Buddha, even though Buddha said he did> not find God in any house that he was born into one birth after the> other; he however has emphasized, inter alia, meditation and> compassion for the one who is working for his liberation, true> compassion at that for every one, irrespective!> > 3. So many paths like karm yoga, gyan yog, bhakti etc. have been> advised to reach the goal to achieve moksha; but I think the easiest> and the ultimate path is pure bhakti when one only loves God and no> one else, not even one's own body, etc. An example is Ram Krishna> Param Hans.> > 4. And then the most important part is bhagwat kripa, after all the> above efforts, whenever God will shower his blessing.> > JAI SITARAMJIKI, JAI SHRI RADHAKRISHNJIKI, JAI VEER HANUMAN.> > Agrasen> -------------------------------> I would like to add:> > The spiritual Path may not seem easy to walk at> first.................. ,> the Upanishads also say," Sharp like the Razor's edge it is ...> difficult to tread" ..........> The sadhaka needs to be warned .............> > but> > if we choose to walk, born out of our own understanding , the> path becomes easy. When the bhakta walks one step, God walks nine> steps towards him. It becomes ' sahaja yoga'> Bhagvada Geetha spells out the step by step Path for all beings,> whatever state of being a person may be.........> it us the way ...... through Karma, Bhakti and> Gnana ............ ....> > narinder bhandari> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Ah, my friends,> > Mukti, we hear, is freedom from being born> again......................> > but , is it so ?> > will there really be no rebirth ?> > .............. and why are we afraid of the rebirth ?> > is it not because we are ever suffering from " Pain, Fear and> Delusion " in our lives .........?"> > So....................................> > " Mukti is freedom from Pain, Fear and Delusion........... Dukha,> Bhrama , Bhau "> > and this state of Mind must come to us in this Lifetime. ..........> it must be available to us Here and Now .............> > when that happens .... it is called Jeevan Mukti .............. Such> a person is a "Jeevanmukta ........."> > When the Fear goes, it goes forever ..... and then , being born, or> not being born matters not !> > > And how is it achieved ?> > The first step is to choose to walk the Way, shown to us by the> buddhas of yore.... by the knowers of> truth............................> > but if we choose to walk, born out of our own understanding , the> path becomes easy, and Bhagvada Geetha shows us the way ......> through Karma, Bhakti and Gnana ................> > This, Then , is the reply............ in fewest words.> > Begin , my friends, and krishna comes to guide you , step by step,> one step at a time ........... His blessings are always with him,> who chooses to walk the path !> > > narinder bhandari> -------------------------------> Dear Sadak,> Mukthi is liberation after leaving the body (death). Jeevan Mukthi> is liberating while living itself by ones own power. Jeevan mukthi> is liberating the soul from body by Yoga Sakthi through Susumba> Nerve. Jeevan muktha can come back to life as and when he wants by> austrial body. Jeevan Mukthas are, Sant Gyaneswar, Ragavendrar,> Hatiram Baba at Tirumala Hills, Sant Vemanna and Bramagaru at Andra> Pradseh, Patinathar in Tamilnadu so on. Mukthas are numerous saint> who died but got liberated.> B.Sathyanarayan> -------------------------------> Dear Sadhak> > Try to undderstand in short. Every human being wish to achieve God's> Realization. When human being leaves his or her body we say he got> Mukti. But if he has done good actions in life then he or she> achieves God's Realization it means Jivan Mukti meaning thereby he> or she has not to take another birth. Both are away from the bond of> birth and deaths There are many scholar who will explain in lenthy> explanation> Always have faith in our scriptures> Follow every principle with devotion and faith> Then we have every chance to achieve God's Realization> Truly yours> > S S Bhatt> -------------------------------> One is Mrityu (death) another is Mokshyo (liberalization). Well, how> to attain? By realization one gets Mokshyo and by achieving pre-> defined target one gets Jeevan Mukti. Regards> BARIN CHATTERJEE> > -------------------------------> SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSES> > MEANING> - The pure soul (sentient/chetan) exercises its power of connection> and gets associated with nature(insentient/jad/inert) and adopts the> world as "Jeeva".> - Liberation / Mukti / Jeevan Mukti/ Moksha / Kalyaan / Freedom /> Emancipation - are the terms denoting disconnection of pure soul> with inert . You cease to be Jeeva upon the same.> - Mukti is a state when you are free from any material> desire...no other desire except what is required to be alive> peacefully and jeevan mukti of the life form is its death...> - Mukti is temporary durational relief from bondages of material> world.> - Mukti is freedom from Pain, Fear and Delusion, Here and Now this> state is called Jeevan Mukti> - achieves God's Realization it means Jivan Mukti - being away from> bonds of birth and death. Stopping the cycle of being born again.> Faith in scriptures and follow principles> to achieve realization> - By realization one gets Mokshyo and by achieving pre-> defined target one gets Jeevan Mukti.> - Mukthi is liberation after leaving the body (death).> - Jeevan Mukthi is liberating while living itself by ones own power -> Yoga Sakthi .> - jeevan mukti is a spirit when you consider in any good bad, ugly> circumstance your connection with parmatama and diconnection from> material world happens.> - Mukti is liberation from sense of sorrow and sense o limitedness. > > HOW TO ATTAIN> - How do you achieve the same? By positioning yourself into> Equanimity !! In other words by YOGA !!!> - Gita spells out the paths> - choose to walk the Way> - to make this present birth most valuable; with only mukti as aim> - begin then guidance will come thereafter> - When the bhakta walks one step, God walks nine steps towards him.> It becomes ' sahaja yoga'> - Attainment is through giving up desire to attain> - Realization occurs when no sense of doership is left> > --------------------------------> GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -> 1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.> 2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible..> 3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the> extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas> 4. Be as concise, to the point, respecting sadhaka's time.> 5. Focus on subject at hand only.> 6. Do not include links to the other sites.> 7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc).> 8. Do not personalize message> 9. All responses may not be posted.> 10. 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Dear Saadhakas,Can sombody tell me the meaning of Mukti & Jeevan Mukti.How do we achieve the same.OM shanti.Bhavin Shah------------------------------NEW POSTINGFOR THE HINDI READERS - Jay Shree KrishnaPlease read in Hindi about Mukti (Freedom) and Bandhan (Bondage) from Swamiji's writings. Per my understanding, hindi readers will benefit more from these writings in Hindi. Rameshji

Mukti aur bandhan ke bare me Swamiji maharaj ke vachan padhiye.Mere vichar se ham logo ko esase adhik laabh hoga.

 

 

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Dear Sadhak,

Mukti means God's Realization.Jeevan Mukti means stoppages of the cycles of births and deaths

A lots of description below

Truly yours

 

S S Bhatt

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PRIOR POSTINGMukti means moksha or liberation from the endless cycle of birth and death. It will come about only when we realise the aim and purpose of our existence, which is to unite with God or Parmatma. It may happen after this birth or after 84,00,000 births. The choice is ours. We are what we are today as a result of our past karmas. What we will become in our next life will depend upon our present karmas. We can connect with our true Self by sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation. In India we are luckly to have saintly souls who have realised in childhood the futility of everything in this world and have renounced the world. We can learn from them about the true path to mukti or jeevan mukti. Hari Shanker Deo-----------------Q: Meaning and How to Attain - Mukti and Jeevan Mukti? (contd.)Whether the great seers consider The Reality as Manifested orunmanifested, Unity or Multiplicity, Change-less or Change-ful,Everything or Nothing, All-Inclusive or All-Exclusive, … almosteveryone conclusively agree upon one thing - all our miseries arerooted in our possessive bondage with the worldly notions of emotions,relations and objects; and agree that one can always attain TheHappiness once such bondage is removed. I consider this point as THEONLY USEFUL point worthy of pursuing. The rest is just academic. Whatstays at The Bliss is an eventuality why should we worry?!As Ashtavakra says,Eka eva bhavaambhodhaavaaseedasti bhavishyati |Na te bandho'sti moksho vaa kritakrityah sukham chara ||THAT is The One and The Same however you recognize, imagine, perceive,believe, insist, … THAT alone pervades both the worlds of physicalexistence and perceptional experience - both the objects as well astheir images imprinted in one's mind and memory. THAT alone WAS, ISand WILL BE as anything and everything. Therefore, there is nothingsuch as Mukti since there is nothing such as Bondage in the firstplace. Therefore, be happy that you were, are and will be.Maa sankalpavikalpaabhyaam chittam kshobhaya chinmaya |Upashamya sukham tishtha svaatmanyaanandavigrahe ||Do not unnecessarily torture your mind throwing it into violentoscillations between acceptance and rejection in your notions andbeleifs. Once the notions harbored within, whether the acceptances orrejections, are dropped , the mind automatically settles to theequanimity that is The Bliss Absolute as such as it mitigates all itsimages removing the artificial alienation it had created between theobjects and their images stored within. Once the mind becomesmonlithic with no more images to play with, the multiplicity that wascreated by it mitigates as well, and everything merge into its ownSelf. When the mind is not split between its images, you will feelnaturally happy as ever.Manasaivedamaaptavyam neha naanaasti kinchana; one has to realize theUNITY amongst all through the mind by uncoiling its ignorance whichhad created the fragmentation in the first place. Mrityoh sa mrityumgacchhati ya iha naaneva pashyati … till the mind is scattered amongstits multiplicity, it keeps barking aimlessly just like a dog captivein a chamber of multiple mirrors against its own images. The barkingmind is the root cause for the bondage as well as the only symptom ofthe miseries thereupon. The tricky and sticky reality here is that thechamber, the dog as well as the mirros are constituted by the samefractured mind. That makes it all the more difficult.Repects.Naga Narayana.(to be contd.)PRIOR POSTINGQ: Meaning and How to Attain - Mukti and Jeevan Mukti?There is a school which believes in post-death persistence of anindividual existence considers that an individual can attain Muktiafter the death based upon the "good deeds" while alive. If oneattains the same while living, it is called Jeevan Mukti. But, if youwant academic clarity on this, there remains a gaping differences ofopinions in the understanding of what Mukti means in the first place.But mostly, everyone tend to believe that it is akin to an invariantstate.Some (e.g. Chaarvaaka, Duryodhana, etc.) say that there is nothingcalled Mukti (inavriant). Only the changes we perceive is thereality. As we have no power to perceive beyond changes, we have noauthority to talk about beyond perception. Even if we do, what isthe use when we cannot manipulate it for our advantage?Some (e.g. Ramanuja) say that Mukti (the inavriant) is a super-setwithin which all the sets of all the variants are accommodated. Oncethe sub-sets throw away their boundaries they become one with theinvariant. This is conceived as Mukti by the school.Some (e.g. Vallabha, Madhva, etc.) say that the invariant and thevariants have nothing in common and therefore they are exclusive toeach other. However, they admit that the invariant governs all thevariants. They tend to think that the Mukti is a state when a variantresides in submission to the invariant.Some (e.g. Gowdapada, Shankara, etc.) say that the invariant andvariants are, in fact, inseparable being the same. They are just likethe two poles of a magnet which appear as if opposed to each otherand yet cannot exist without each other. The very multiplicity is anillusion imposed in one's cognition while the whole universe -manifested as well as unmanifested - remain nothing but the absolutein spite of its appearance as variant and invariant in one'sperception. Attaining the unity of the variants with invariant isobviously perceived as Mukti here.Some (e.g. Buddha) say that the world we know is mere a concoctionbrewed within our perception and therefore it is as illusive as thevery perception is. Only Nothing remains when the perception is takenaway. Thence, the reality is The Nothing (again an invariant). Inother words, the invariant (perceived as nothing) itself is theNirvana or Mukti.Whatever we argue upon, neither the changeless nor the change seem tocare. They continue as they ought to! They continue to slip away fromour cognitive understanding!! But they seem to be real within ourcognition sometimes and beyond our cognition some other times!!!Mukti remains elusive till we chase it. Shikhidhvaja gives upeverything sincerely and yet wonders why is this Mukti slippingaway. His wife Chudala enlightens him, "You have not given up Mukti,My Dear!".Respects.Naga Narayana.-----------------------------Mukti is liberation, liberation from sense of sorrow and sense olimitedness. It is realization that we are atman and not body / mindsense complex. Once realization occurs, there is no rebirth jeevanmukti as there is no doership left.Anil Aggarwal-----------------------------Dear sadak referring Gee Waman writing,Since one does not remember his previous birth, He should definitelyworry, since he is lack of knowledge about where was he before andwhy is he now. If he does not worry he continues to live indifferent bodies until he goes in quest of his existence. When byknowledge (Gyana) he understands his existence on this earth, heseeks Mukthi.Technically speaking, once a particular plant dies we see the sameplant grow nearby or elsewhere. That by death of this plant, thatparticular plant should slowly become extinct, as NO rebirth. Soalso we humans die and take form (human or animal) as we did not usethe earlier birth` s purpose.How did Jesus predict HE will come back to life after his body dies?HE knew past and the present, by staying 40 days on a hill insolitude praying for his father. After his death he came alive. How?That was his austral body by Mukthi leaving his body of bone andflesh. But if the same christ was not crucified but had he left hisbody due to prayer/Yoga is Jeevan Mukthi. Why Jesuis never gotmarried and lived normal life? Because he was worried about hispresent birth and was in search of SAT (Truth) the eternal bliss. Hesent his 13 apostals to preach what? To worry about present birthand to make this present birth most valuable.B.Sathyanarayan------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGHari OmThe pure soul (sentient/chetan) exercises its power of connectionand gets associated with nature(insentient/jad/inert) and adopts theworld as "Jeeva".Liberation / Mukti / Jeevan Mukti/ Moksha / Kalyaan / Freedom /Emancipation - are the terms denoting disconnection of pure soulwith inert . You cease to be Jeeva upon the same.How do you achieve the same? By positioning yourself intoEquanimity !! In other words by YOGA !!!Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B-------------------------------Priya Sadhak, NamaskarDo your remember your past birth? if not you are sure not to rememberyour present birth in your future birth. So worry about the presentbirth only. Actually there is nothing like rebirth. When any lifeform ceases to function...it is dead...and that is the end of it..the deadbody is just like any other innamimate object on this planetEarth. Mukti is a state when you are free from any materialdesire...no other desire except what is required to be alivepeacefully...and jeevan mukti of the life form is its death.......Gee Waman------------------------------Deear sadhaka,Mukti is temporary durational relief from bondages of materialworld. like you get hungry after lunch at dinner time.jeevan mukti is a spirit when you consider in any good bad, uglycircumstance your connection with parmatama and diconnection frommaterial world happens. it is very difficult as senses indriyas manbuddhi take sway away the best practioners specially in kali age, sowhen state of mukti is unwavered min any state time lapse it isjeevan mukti.yours sincerelykalrav pande-------------------------------Dear Shahji,I will try to answer your query to the best of my knowledge as Ihave understood the questions raised by you:1. Mukti means stopping this chakra of awah jaayi, i.e. end of beingborn again and again which happens to all of us until we achievemoksha or liberation from this cycle of chaurasi laakh yoni;2. To achieve moksha, one has to reach a stage whereby one has nodesires left, whatever we can see and the world are only temporaryand therefore this whole phenomenon of the sansara does not botherone any more; we are all actors here with a mukhota; in each newjanam we get a new mukhota and we act out our part and then we dieand are born again and again according to our unfulfilled desiresuntil we are able to establish a contact with our soul and with theGod himself and are completely in love with him and nothing else.Examples are: Kabir, Mira, Buddha, even though Buddha said he didnot find God in any house that he was born into one birth after theother; he however has emphasized, inter alia, meditation andcompassion for the one who is working for his liberation, truecompassion at that for every one, irrespective!3. So many paths like karm yoga, gyan yog, bhakti etc. have beenadvised to reach the goal to achieve moksha; but I think the easiestand the ultimate path is pure bhakti when one only loves God and noone else, not even one's own body, etc. An example is Ram KrishnaParam Hans.4. And then the most important part is bhagwat kripa, after all theabove efforts, whenever God will shower his blessing.JAI SITARAMJIKI, JAI SHRI RADHAKRISHNJIKI, JAI VEER HANUMAN.Agrasen-------------------------------I would like to add:The spiritual Path may not seem easy to walk atfirst.................. ,the Upanishads also say," Sharp like the Razor's edge it is ...difficult to tread" ..........The sadhaka needs to be warned .............butif we choose to walk, born out of our own understanding , thepath becomes easy. When the bhakta walks one step, God walks ninesteps towards him. It becomes ' sahaja yoga'Bhagvada Geetha spells out the step by step Path for all beings,whatever state of being a person may be.........it us the way ...... through Karma, Bhakti andGnana ............ ....narinder bhandari------------------------------Ah, my friends,Mukti, we hear, is freedom from being bornagain......................but , is it so ?will there really be no rebirth ?.............. and why are we afraid of the rebirth ?is it not because we are ever suffering from " Pain, Fear andDelusion " in our lives .........?"So...................................." Mukti is freedom from Pain, Fear and Delusion........... Dukha,Bhrama , Bhau "and this state of Mind must come to us in this Lifetime. ..........it must be available to us Here and Now .............when that happens .... it is called Jeevan Mukti .............. Sucha person is a "Jeevanmukta ........."When the Fear goes, it goes forever ..... and then , being born, ornot being born matters not !And how is it achieved ?The first step is to choose to walk the Way, shown to us by thebuddhas of yore.... by the knowers oftruth............................but if we choose to walk, born out of our own understanding , thepath becomes easy, and Bhagvada Geetha shows us the way ......through Karma, Bhakti and Gnana ................This, Then , is the reply............ in fewest words.Begin , my friends, and krishna comes to guide you , step by step,one step at a time ........... His blessings are always with him,who chooses to walk the path !narinder bhandari-------------------------------Dear Sadak,Mukthi is liberation after leaving the body (death). Jeevan Mukthiis liberating while living itself by ones own power. Jeevan mukthiis liberating the soul from body by Yoga Sakthi through SusumbaNerve. Jeevan muktha can come back to life as and when he wants byaustrial body. Jeevan Mukthas are, Sant Gyaneswar, Ragavendrar,Hatiram Baba at Tirumala Hills, Sant Vemanna and Bramagaru at AndraPradseh, Patinathar in Tamilnadu so on. Mukthas are numerous saintwho died but got liberated.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------Dear SadhakTry to undderstand in short. Every human being wish to achieve God'sRealization. When human being leaves his or her body we say he gotMukti. But if he has done good actions in life then he or sheachieves God's Realization it means Jivan Mukti meaning thereby heor she has not to take another birth. Both are away from the bond ofbirth and deaths There are many scholar who will explain in lenthyexplanationAlways have faith in our scripturesFollow every principle with devotion and faithThen we have every chance to achieve God's RealizationTruly yoursS S Bhatt-------------------------------One is Mrityu (death) another is Mokshyo (liberalization). Well, howto attain? By realization one gets Mokshyo and by achieving pre-defined target one gets Jeevan Mukti. RegardsBARIN CHATTERJEE-------------------------------SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSESMEANING- The pure soul (sentient/chetan) exercises its power of connectionand gets associated with nature(insentient/jad/inert) and adopts theworld as "Jeeva".- Liberation / Mukti / Jeevan Mukti/ Moksha / Kalyaan / Freedom /Emancipation - are the terms denoting disconnection of pure soulwith inert . You cease to be Jeeva upon the same.- Mukti is a state when you are free from any materialdesire...no other desire except what is required to be alivepeacefully and jeevan mukti of the life form is its death...- Mukti is temporary durational relief from bondages of materialworld.- Mukti is freedom from Pain, Fear and Delusion, Here and Now thisstate is called Jeevan Mukti- achieves God's Realization it means Jivan Mukti - being away frombonds of birth and death. Stopping the cycle of being born again.Faith in scriptures and follow principlesto achieve realization- By realization one gets Mokshyo and by achieving pre-defined target one gets Jeevan Mukti.- Mukthi is liberation after leaving the body (death).- Jeevan Mukthi is liberating while living itself by ones own power -Yoga Sakthi .- jeevan mukti is a spirit when you consider in any good bad, uglycircumstance your connection with parmatama and diconnection frommaterial world happens.- Mukti is liberation from sense of sorrow and sense o limitedness.HOW TO ATTAIN- How do you achieve the same? By positioning yourself intoEquanimity !! In other words by YOGA !!!- Gita spells out the paths- choose to walk the Way- to make this present birth most valuable; with only mukti as aim- begin then guidance will come thereafter- When the bhakta walks one step, God walks nine steps towards him.It becomes ' sahaja yoga'- Attainment is through giving up desire to attain- Realization occurs when no sense of doership is left--------------------------------GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible..3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to theextent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. Be as concise, to the point, respecting sadhaka's time.5. Focus on subject at hand only.6. Do not include links to the other sites.7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc).8. Do not personalize message9. All responses may not be posted.10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting.11. Take into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. i.e. limit the use to Sanskrit words only.Provide English word bracketed.MODERATORRam Ram------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Post message: Subscribe: - Unsubscribe: - , "sadhak_insight" <sadhak_insight wrote:>> Dear Saadhakas,>> Can sombody tell me the meaning of Mukti & Jeevan Mukti.>> How do we achieve the same.>> OM shanti.>> Bhavin Shah> ------------------------------> NEW POSTING>>> Q: Meaning and How to Attain - Mukti and Jeevan Mukti?>> There is a school which believes in post-death persistence of an> individual existence considers that an individual can attain Mukti> after the death based upon the "good deeds" while alive. If one> attains the same while living, it is called Jeevan Mukti. But, if you> want academic clarity on this, there remains a gaping differences of> opinions in the understanding of what Mukti means in the first place.> But mostly, everyone tend to believe that it is akin to an invariant> state.>> Some (e.g. Chaarvaaka, Duryodhana, etc.) say that there is nothing> called Mukti (inavriant). Only the changes we perceive is the> reality. As we have no power to perceive beyond changes, we have no> authority to talk about beyond perception. Even if we do, what is> the use when we cannot manipulate it for our advantage?>> Some (e.g. Ramanuja) say that Mukti (the inavriant) is a super-set> within which all the sets of all the variants are accommodated. Once> the sub-sets throw away their boundaries they become one with the> invariant. This is conceived as Mukti by the school.>> Some (e.g. Vallabha, Madhva, etc.) say that the invariant and the> variants have nothing in common and therefore they are exclusive to> each other. However, they admit that the invariant governs all the> variants. They tend to think that the Mukti is a state when a variant> resides in submission to the invariant.>> Some (e.g. Gowdapada, Shankara, etc.) say that the invariant and> variants are, in fact, inseparable being the same. They are just like> the two poles of a magnet which appear as if opposed to each other> and yet cannot exist without each other. The very multiplicity is an> illusion imposed in one's cognition while the whole universe -> manifested as well as unmanifested - remain nothing but the absolute> in spite of its appearance as variant and invariant in one's> perception. Attaining the unity of the variants with invariant is> obviously perceived as Mukti here.>> Some (e.g. Buddha) say that the world we know is mere a concoction> brewed within our perception and therefore it is as illusive as the> very perception is. Only Nothing remains when the perception is taken> away. Thence, the reality is The Nothing (again an invariant). In> other words, the invariant (perceived as nothing) itself is the> Nirvana or Mukti.>> Whatever we argue upon, neither the changeless nor the change seem to> care. They continue as they ought to! They continue to slip away from> our cognitive understanding!! But they seem to be real within our> cognition sometimes and beyond our cognition some other times!!!> Mukti remains elusive till we chase it. Shikhidhvaja gives up> everything sincerely and yet wonders why is this Mukti slipping> away. His wife Chudala enlightens him, "You have not given up Mukti,> My Dear!".>> Respects.>> Naga Narayana.> -----------------------------> Mukti is liberation, liberation from sense of sorrow and sense o> limitedness. It is realization that we are atman and not body / mind> sense complex. Once realization occurs, there is no rebirth jeevan> mukti as there is no doership left.>> Anil Aggarwal> -----------------------------> Dear sadak referring Gee Waman writing,> Since one does not remember his previous birth, He should definitely> worry, since he is lack of knowledge about where was he before and> why is he now. If he does not worry he continues to live in> different bodies until he goes in quest of his existence. When by> knowledge (Gyana) he understands his existence on this earth, he> seeks Mukthi.> Technically speaking, once a particular plant dies we see the same> plant grow nearby or elsewhere. That by death of this plant, that> particular plant should slowly become extinct, as NO rebirth. So> also we humans die and take form (human or animal) as we did not use> the earlier birth` s purpose.> How did Jesus predict HE will come back to life after his body dies?> HE knew past and the present, by staying 40 days on a hill in> solitude praying for his father. After his death he came alive. How?> That was his austral body by Mukthi leaving his body of bone and> flesh. But if the same christ was not crucified but had he left his> body due to prayer/Yoga is Jeevan Mukthi. Why Jesuis never got> married and lived normal life? Because he was worried about his> present birth and was in search of SAT (Truth) the eternal bliss. He> sent his 13 apostals to preach what? To worry about present birth> and to make this present birth most valuable.> B.Sathyanarayan>> ------------------------------> PRIOR POSTING>> Hari Om>> The pure soul (sentient/chetan) exercises its power of connection> and gets associated with nature(insentient/jad/inert) and adopts the> world as "Jeeva".>> Liberation / Mukti / Jeevan Mukti/ Moksha / Kalyaan / Freedom /> Emancipation - are the terms denoting disconnection of pure soul> with inert . You cease to be Jeeva upon the same.>> How do you achieve the same? By positioning yourself into> Equanimity !! In other words by YOGA !!!>> Jai Shree Krishna>> Vyas N B> ------------------------------->> Priya Sadhak, Namaskar> Do your remember your past birth? if not you are sure not to remember> your present birth in your future birth. So worry about the present> birth only. Actually there is nothing like rebirth. When any life> form ceases to function...it is dead...and that is the end of it..> the deadbody is just like any other innamimate object on this planet> Earth. Mukti is a state when you are free from any material> desire...no other desire except what is required to be alive> peacefully...and jeevan mukti of the life form is its death...> ....Gee Waman> ------------------------------> Deear sadhaka,>> Mukti is temporary durational relief from bondages of material> world. like you get hungry after lunch at dinner time.>> jeevan mukti is a spirit when you consider in any good bad, ugly> circumstance your connection with parmatama and diconnection from> material world happens. it is very difficult as senses indriyas man> buddhi take sway away the best practioners specially in kali age, so> when state of mukti is unwavered min any state time lapse it is> jeevan mukti.>> yours sincerely>> kalrav pande>> ------------------------------->> Dear Shahji,>> I will try to answer your query to the best of my knowledge as I> have understood the questions raised by you:>> 1. Mukti means stopping this chakra of awah jaayi, i.e. end of being> born again and again which happens to all of us until we achieve> moksha or liberation from this cycle of chaurasi laakh yoni;>> 2. To achieve moksha, one has to reach a stage whereby one has no> desires left, whatever we can see and the world are only temporary> and therefore this whole phenomenon of the sansara does not bother> one any more; we are all actors here with a mukhota; in each new> janam we get a new mukhota and we act out our part and then we die> and are born again and again according to our unfulfilled desires> until we are able to establish a contact with our soul and with the> God himself and are completely in love with him and nothing else.> Examples are: Kabir, Mira, Buddha, even though Buddha said he did> not find God in any house that he was born into one birth after the> other; he however has emphasized, inter alia, meditation and> compassion for the one who is working for his liberation, true> compassion at that for every one, irrespective!>> 3. So many paths like karm yoga, gyan yog, bhakti etc. have been> advised to reach the goal to achieve moksha; but I think the easiest> and the ultimate path is pure bhakti when one only loves God and no> one else, not even one's own body, etc. An example is Ram Krishna> Param Hans.>> 4. And then the most important part is bhagwat kripa, after all the> above efforts, whenever God will shower his blessing.>> JAI SITARAMJIKI, JAI SHRI RADHAKRISHNJIKI, JAI VEER HANUMAN.>> Agrasen> -------------------------------> I would like to add:>> The spiritual Path may not seem easy to walk at> first.................. ,> the Upanishads also say," Sharp like the Razor's edge it is ...> difficult to tread" ..........> The sadhaka needs to be warned .............>> but>> if we choose to walk, born out of our own understanding , the> path becomes easy. When the bhakta walks one step, God walks nine> steps towards him. It becomes ' sahaja yoga'> Bhagvada Geetha spells out the step by step Path for all beings,> whatever state of being a person may be.........> it us the way ...... through Karma, Bhakti and> Gnana ............ ....>> narinder bhandari>>>>>> ------------------------------>> Ah, my friends,>> Mukti, we hear, is freedom from being born> again......................>> but , is it so ?>> will there really be no rebirth ?>> .............. and why are we afraid of the rebirth ?>> is it not because we are ever suffering from " Pain, Fear and> Delusion " in our lives .........?">> So....................................>> " Mukti is freedom from Pain, Fear and Delusion........... Dukha,> Bhrama , Bhau ">> and this state of Mind must come to us in this Lifetime. ..........> it must be available to us Here and Now .............>> when that happens .... it is called Jeevan Mukti .............. Such> a person is a "Jeevanmukta .........">> When the Fear goes, it goes forever ..... and then , being born, or> not being born matters not !>>> And how is it achieved ?>> The first step is to choose to walk the Way, shown to us by the> buddhas of yore.... by the knowers of> truth............................>> but if we choose to walk, born out of our own understanding , the> path becomes easy, and Bhagvada Geetha shows us the way ......> through Karma, Bhakti and Gnana ................>> This, Then , is the reply............ in fewest words.>> Begin , my friends, and krishna comes to guide you , step by step,> one step at a time ........... His blessings are always with him,> who chooses to walk the path !>>> narinder bhandari> -------------------------------> Dear Sadak,> Mukthi is liberation after leaving the body (death). Jeevan Mukthi> is liberating while living itself by ones own power. Jeevan mukthi> is liberating the soul from body by Yoga Sakthi through Susumba> Nerve. Jeevan muktha can come back to life as and when he wants by> austrial body. Jeevan Mukthas are, Sant Gyaneswar, Ragavendrar,> Hatiram Baba at Tirumala Hills, Sant Vemanna and Bramagaru at Andra> Pradseh, Patinathar in Tamilnadu so on. Mukthas are numerous saint> who died but got liberated.> B.Sathyanarayan> -------------------------------> Dear Sadhak>> Try to undderstand in short. Every human being wish to achieve God's> Realization. When human being leaves his or her body we say he got> Mukti. But if he has done good actions in life then he or she> achieves God's Realization it means Jivan Mukti meaning thereby he> or she has not to take another birth. Both are away from the bond of> birth and deaths There are many scholar who will explain in lenthy> explanation> Always have faith in our scriptures> Follow every principle with devotion and faith> Then we have every chance to achieve God's Realization> Truly yours>> S S Bhatt> -------------------------------> One is Mrityu (death) another is Mokshyo (liberalization). Well, how> to attain? By realization one gets Mokshyo and by achieving pre-> defined target one gets Jeevan Mukti. Regards> BARIN CHATTERJEE>> -------------------------------> SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSES>> MEANING> - The pure soul (sentient/chetan) exercises its power of connection> and gets associated with nature(insentient/jad/inert) and adopts the> world as "Jeeva".> - Liberation / Mukti / Jeevan Mukti/ Moksha / Kalyaan / Freedom /> Emancipation - are the terms denoting disconnection of pure soul> with inert . You cease to be Jeeva upon the same.> - Mukti is a state when you are free from any material> desire...no other desire except what is required to be alive> peacefully and jeevan mukti of the life form is its death...> - Mukti is temporary durational relief from bondages of material> world.> - Mukti is freedom from Pain, Fear and Delusion, Here and Now this> state is called Jeevan Mukti> - achieves God's Realization it means Jivan Mukti - being away from> bonds of birth and death. Stopping the cycle of being born again.> Faith in scriptures and follow principles> to achieve realization> - By realization one gets Mokshyo and by achieving pre-> defined target one gets Jeevan Mukti.> - Mukthi is liberation after leaving the body (death).> - Jeevan Mukthi is liberating while living itself by ones own power -> Yoga Sakthi .> - jeevan mukti is a spirit when you consider in any good bad, ugly> circumstance your connection with parmatama and diconnection from> material world happens.> - Mukti is liberation from sense of sorrow and sense o limitedness.>> HOW TO ATTAIN> - How do you achieve the same? By positioning yourself into> Equanimity !! In other words by YOGA !!!> - Gita spells out the paths> - choose to walk the Way> - to make this present birth most valuable; with only mukti as aim> - begin then guidance will come thereafter> - When the bhakta walks one step, God walks nine steps towards him.> It becomes ' sahaja yoga'> - Attainment is through giving up desire to attain> - Realization occurs when no sense of doership is left>> --------------------------------> GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -> 1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.> 2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible..> 3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the> extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas> 4. Be as concise, to the point, respecting sadhaka's time.> 5. Focus on subject at hand only.> 6. Do not include links to the other sites.> 7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc).> 8. Do not personalize message> 9. All responses may not be posted.> 10. 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Dear Saadhakas,Can sombody tell me the meaning of Mukti & Jeevan Mukti.How do we achieve the same.OM shanti.Bhavin Shah------------------------------NEW POSTINGNarayan NarayanMoksha = End of Attachment (Mine-ness) = MuktiThis body, senses, mind, intellect, when you leave the assumed affinity with it = Jivan MuktiI am only Bhagwaan's, and Bhagwaan is Mine, and I am no one elsesThis point accept today then both these will be understood today itself. It is only due to considering those things that come and go (changing, perishable) as ours that man clings to all the difficulties and obstacles. RamchanderFOR THE HINDI READERS - narayan narayan"ramanand anand se , sivriya sarshi kaz ' bhave sivro kal he ,bhave sivro aaj ''MOOH+KHAY= MOOKSH[ MOOH KA KHATAM HO NA =MUKTISHARIR, INDRIYA, MAN, BUDHI, SUB KO APNA MANNA CHOD DO =JEEVAN MUKTIHUM BHAGWAN KE HEIN ,BHAGWAN HAMRE HEIN , HUM OUR KISI KE NA HI HEIN ,IS BAAT KO AAJ MAN LO THO DOO NO BAATE SAMAZ MEIN AAJAYE GI. INSHAN MILNE OURBICHUDNE WALE PADHARTHO KO APNA MANNE SE HI YE SARI MUSIBATOKO GALE LAGATA HEIN.Ramchander---Peace is MuktiPeace immediately comes on renunciation of fruits of actions .... "Tyaagaatshaanti anantaram" For Bhakta (devotee) turning towards God is Mukti. Thereafter he does not belong to the world. There is no deficiency in such a devotee as His drishti remains on only God. He is living in the world but totally free - Jivan Mukta. PritiFOR THE HINDI READERS - Jay Shree KrishnaPlease read in Hindi about Mukti (Freedom) and Bandhan (Bondage) from Swamiji's writings. Per my understanding, hindi readers will benefit more from these writings in Hindi. RameshjiMukti aur bandhan ke bare me Swamiji maharaj ke vachan padhiye.Mere vichar se ham logo ko esase adhik laabh hoga. http://www.swamiramsukhdasji.org/swamijibooks/pustak/pustak1/html/amrit%20bindu/amrit24.htmhttp://www.swamiramsukhdasji.org/swamijibooks/pustak/pustak1/html/sadhansudhasindhu/ch10_19.htmhttp://www.swamiramsukhdasji.org/swamijibooks/pustak/pustak1/html/sadhansudhasindhu/ch12_21.htmhttp://www.swamiramsukhdasji.org/swamijibooks/pustak/pustak1/html/sadhansudhasindhu/ch22_38.htmhttp://www.swamiramsukhdasji.org/swamijibooks/pustak/pustak1/html/sadhansudhasindhu/ch34_67.htmhttp://www.swamiramsukhdasji.org/swamijibooks/pustak/pustak1/html/sadhansudhasindhu/ch35_71.htmhttp://www.swamiramsukhdasji.org/swamijibooks/pustak/pustak1/html/sadhansudhasindhu/bhakti/bhakti28_391.htmhttp://www.swamiramsukhdasji.org/swamijibooks/pustak/pustak1/html/sadhansudhasindhu/sarwopyogi/sarw117_822.htm-----------------------Dear Sadhak, Mukti means God's Realization.Jeevan Mukti means stoppages of the cycles of births and deathsA lots of description belowTruly yoursS S Bhatt------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGMukti means moksha or liberation from the endless cycle of birth and death. It will come about only when we realise the aim and purpose of our existence, which is to unite with God or Parmatma. It may happen after this birth or after 84,00,000 births. The choice is ours. We are what we are today as a result of our past karmas. What we will become in our next life will depend upon our present karmas. We can connect with our true Self by sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation. In India we are luckly to have saintly souls who have realised in childhood the futility of everything in this world and have renounced the world. We can learn from them about the true path to mukti or jeevan mukti.Hari Shanker Deo-----------------Q: Meaning and How to Attain - Mukti and Jeevan Mukti? (contd.)Whether the great seers consider The Reality as Manifested orunmanifested, Unity or Multiplicity, Change-less or Change-ful,Everything or Nothing, All-Inclusive or All-Exclusive, … almosteveryone conclusively agree upon one thing - all our miseries arerooted in our possessive bondage with the worldly notions of emotions,relations and objects; and agree that one can always attain TheHappiness once such bondage is removed. I consider this point as THEONLY USEFUL point worthy of pursuing. The rest is just academic. Whatstays at The Bliss is an eventuality why should we worry?!As Ashtavakra says,Eka eva bhavaambhodhaavaaseedasti bhavishyati |Na te bandho'sti moksho vaa kritakrityah sukham chara ||THAT is The One and The Same however you recognize, imagine, perceive,believe, insist, … THAT alone pervades both the worlds of physicalexistence and perceptional experience - both the objects as well astheir images imprinted in one's mind and memory. THAT alone WAS, ISand WILL BE as anything and everything. Therefore, there is nothingsuch as Mukti since there is nothing such as Bondage in the firstplace. Therefore, be happy that you were, are and will be.Maa sankalpavikalpaabhyaam chittam kshobhaya chinmaya |Upashamya sukham tishtha svaatmanyaanandavigrahe ||Do not unnecessarily torture your mind throwing it into violentoscillations between acceptance and rejection in your notions andbeleifs. Once the notions harbored within, whether the acceptances orrejections, are dropped , the mind automatically settles to theequanimity that is The Bliss Absolute as such as it mitigates all itsimages removing the artificial alienation it had created between theobjects and their images stored within. Once the mind becomesmonlithic with no more images to play with, the multiplicity that wascreated by it mitigates as well, and everything merge into its ownSelf. When the mind is not split between its images, you will feelnaturally happy as ever.Manasaivedamaaptavyam neha naanaasti kinchana; one has to realize theUNITY amongst all through the mind by uncoiling its ignorance whichhad created the fragmentation in the first place. Mrityoh sa mrityumgacchhati ya iha naaneva pashyati … till the mind is scattered amongstits multiplicity, it keeps barking aimlessly just like a dog captivein a chamber of multiple mirrors against its own images. The barkingmind is the root cause for the bondage as well as the only symptom ofthe miseries thereupon. The tricky and sticky reality here is that thechamber, the dog as well as the mirros are constituted by the samefractured mind. That makes it all the more difficult.Repects.Naga Narayana.(to be contd.)PRIOR POSTINGQ: Meaning and How to Attain - Mukti and Jeevan Mukti?There is a school which believes in post-death persistence of anindividual existence considers that an individual can attain Muktiafter the death based upon the "good deeds" while alive. If oneattains the same while living, it is called Jeevan Mukti. But, if youwant academic clarity on this, there remains a gaping differences ofopinions in the understanding of what Mukti means in the first place.But mostly, everyone tend to believe that it is akin to an invariantstate.Some (e.g. Chaarvaaka, Duryodhana, etc.) say that there is nothingcalled Mukti (inavriant). Only the changes we perceive is thereality. As we have no power to perceive beyond changes, we have noauthority to talk about beyond perception. Even if we do, what isthe use when we cannot manipulate it for our advantage?Some (e.g. Ramanuja) say that Mukti (the inavriant) is a super-setwithin which all the sets of all the variants are accommodated. Oncethe sub-sets throw away their boundaries they become one with theinvariant. This is conceived as Mukti by the school.Some (e.g. Vallabha, Madhva, etc.) say that the invariant and thevariants have nothing in common and therefore they are exclusive toeach other. However, they admit that the invariant governs all thevariants. They tend to think that the Mukti is a state when a variantresides in submission to the invariant.Some (e.g. Gowdapada, Shankara, etc.) say that the invariant andvariants are, in fact, inseparable being the same. They are just likethe two poles of a magnet which appear as if opposed to each otherand yet cannot exist without each other. The very multiplicity is anillusion imposed in one's cognition while the whole universe -manifested as well as unmanifested - remain nothing but the absolutein spite of its appearance as variant and invariant in one'sperception. Attaining the unity of the variants with invariant isobviously perceived as Mukti here.Some (e.g. Buddha) say that the world we know is mere a concoctionbrewed within our perception and therefore it is as illusive as thevery perception is. Only Nothing remains when the perception is takenaway. Thence, the reality is The Nothing (again an invariant). Inother words, the invariant (perceived as nothing) itself is theNirvana or Mukti.Whatever we argue upon, neither the changeless nor the change seem tocare. They continue as they ought to! They continue to slip away fromour cognitive understanding!! But they seem to be real within ourcognition sometimes and beyond our cognition some other times!!!Mukti remains elusive till we chase it. Shikhidhvaja gives upeverything sincerely and yet wonders why is this Mukti slippingaway. His wife Chudala enlightens him, "You have not given up Mukti,My Dear!".Respects.Naga Narayana.-----------------------------Mukti is liberation, liberation from sense of sorrow and sense olimitedness. It is realization that we are atman and not body / mindsense complex. Once realization occurs, there is no rebirth jeevanmukti as there is no doership left.Anil Aggarwal-----------------------------Dear sadak referring Gee Waman writing,Since one does not remember his previous birth, He should definitelyworry, since he is lack of knowledge about where was he before andwhy is he now. If he does not worry he continues to live indifferent bodies until he goes in quest of his existence. When byknowledge (Gyana) he understands his existence on this earth, heseeks Mukthi.Technically speaking, once a particular plant dies we see the sameplant grow nearby or elsewhere. That by death of this plant, thatparticular plant should slowly become extinct, as NO rebirth. Soalso we humans die and take form (human or animal) as we did not usethe earlier birth` s purpose.How did Jesus predict HE will come back to life after his body dies?HE knew past and the present, by staying 40 days on a hill insolitude praying for his father. After his death he came alive. How?That was his austral body by Mukthi leaving his body of bone andflesh. But if the same christ was not crucified but had he left hisbody due to prayer/Yoga is Jeevan Mukthi. Why Jesuis never gotmarried and lived normal life? Because he was worried about hispresent birth and was in search of SAT (Truth) the eternal bliss. Hesent his 13 apostals to preach what? To worry about present birthand to make this present birth most valuable.B.Sathyanarayan------------------------------PRIOR POSTINGHari OmThe pure soul (sentient/chetan) exercises its power of connectionand gets associated with nature(insentient/jad/inert) and adopts theworld as "Jeeva".Liberation / Mukti / Jeevan Mukti/ Moksha / Kalyaan / Freedom /Emancipation - are the terms denoting disconnection of pure soulwith inert . You cease to be Jeeva upon the same.How do you achieve the same? By positioning yourself intoEquanimity !! In other words by YOGA !!!Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B-------------------------------Priya Sadhak, NamaskarDo your remember your past birth? if not you are sure not to rememberyour present birth in your future birth. So worry about the presentbirth only. Actually there is nothing like rebirth. When any lifeform ceases to function...it is dead...and that is the end of it..the deadbody is just like any other innamimate object on this planetEarth. Mukti is a state when you are free from any materialdesire...no other desire except what is required to be alivepeacefully...and jeevan mukti of the life form is its death.......Gee Waman------------------------------Deear sadhaka,Mukti is temporary durational relief from bondages of materialworld. like you get hungry after lunch at dinner time.jeevan mukti is a spirit when you consider in any good bad, uglycircumstance your connection with parmatama and diconnection frommaterial world happens. it is very difficult as senses indriyas manbuddhi take sway away the best practioners specially in kali age, sowhen state of mukti is unwavered min any state time lapse it isjeevan mukti.yours sincerelykalrav pande-------------------------------Dear Shahji,I will try to answer your query to the best of my knowledge as Ihave understood the questions raised by you:1. Mukti means stopping this chakra of awah jaayi, i.e. end of beingborn again and again which happens to all of us until we achievemoksha or liberation from this cycle of chaurasi laakh yoni;2. To achieve moksha, one has to reach a stage whereby one has nodesires left, whatever we can see and the world are only temporaryand therefore this whole phenomenon of the sansara does not botherone any more; we are all actors here with a mukhota; in each newjanam we get a new mukhota and we act out our part and then we dieand are born again and again according to our unfulfilled desiresuntil we are able to establish a contact with our soul and with theGod himself and are completely in love with him and nothing else.Examples are: Kabir, Mira, Buddha, even though Buddha said he didnot find God in any house that he was born into one birth after theother; he however has emphasized, inter alia, meditation andcompassion for the one who is working for his liberation, truecompassion at that for every one, irrespective!3. So many paths like karm yoga, gyan yog, bhakti etc. have beenadvised to reach the goal to achieve moksha; but I think the easiestand the ultimate path is pure bhakti when one only loves God and noone else, not even one's own body, etc. An example is Ram KrishnaParam Hans.4. And then the most important part is bhagwat kripa, after all theabove efforts, whenever God will shower his blessing.JAI SITARAMJIKI, JAI SHRI RADHAKRISHNJIKI, JAI VEER HANUMAN.Agrasen-------------------------------I would like to add:The spiritual Path may not seem easy to walk atfirst.................. ,the Upanishads also say," Sharp like the Razor's edge it is ...difficult to tread" ..........The sadhaka needs to be warned .............butif we choose to walk, born out of our own understanding , thepath becomes easy. When the bhakta walks one step, God walks ninesteps towards him. It becomes ' sahaja yoga'Bhagvada Geetha spells out the step by step Path for all beings,whatever state of being a person may be.........it us the way ...... through Karma, Bhakti andGnana ............ ....narinder bhandari------------------------------Ah, my friends,Mukti, we hear, is freedom from being bornagain......................but , is it so ?will there really be no rebirth ?.............. and why are we afraid of the rebirth ?is it not because we are ever suffering from " Pain, Fear andDelusion " in our lives .........?"So...................................." Mukti is freedom from Pain, Fear and Delusion........... Dukha,Bhrama , Bhau "and this state of Mind must come to us in this Lifetime. ..........it must be available to us Here and Now .............when that happens .... it is called Jeevan Mukti .............. Sucha person is a "Jeevanmukta ........."When the Fear goes, it goes forever ..... and then , being born, ornot being born matters not !And how is it achieved ?The first step is to choose to walk the Way, shown to us by thebuddhas of yore.... by the knowers oftruth............................but if we choose to walk, born out of our own understanding , thepath becomes easy, and Bhagvada Geetha shows us the way ......through Karma, Bhakti and Gnana ................This, Then , is the reply............ in fewest words.Begin , my friends, and krishna comes to guide you , step by step,one step at a time ........... His blessings are always with him,who chooses to walk the path !narinder bhandari-------------------------------Dear Sadak,Mukthi is liberation after leaving the body (death). Jeevan Mukthiis liberating while living itself by ones own power. Jeevan mukthiis liberating the soul from body by Yoga Sakthi through SusumbaNerve. Jeevan muktha can come back to life as and when he wants byaustrial body. Jeevan Mukthas are, Sant Gyaneswar, Ragavendrar,Hatiram Baba at Tirumala Hills, Sant Vemanna and Bramagaru at AndraPradseh, Patinathar in Tamilnadu so on. Mukthas are numerous saintwho died but got liberated.B.Sathyanarayan-------------------------------Dear SadhakTry to undderstand in short. Every human being wish to achieve God'sRealization. When human being leaves his or her body we say he gotMukti. But if he has done good actions in life then he or sheachieves God's Realization it means Jivan Mukti meaning thereby heor she has not to take another birth. Both are away from the bond ofbirth and deaths There are many scholar who will explain in lenthyexplanationAlways have faith in our scripturesFollow every principle with devotion and faithThen we have every chance to achieve God's RealizationTruly yoursS S Bhatt-------------------------------One is Mrityu (death) another is Mokshyo (liberalization). Well, howto attain? By realization one gets Mokshyo and by achieving pre-defined target one gets Jeevan Mukti. RegardsBARIN CHATTERJEE-------------------------------SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSESMEANING- The pure soul (sentient/chetan) exercises its power of connectionand gets associated with nature(insentient/jad/inert) and adopts theworld as "Jeeva".- Liberation / Mukti / Jeevan Mukti/ Moksha / Kalyaan / Freedom /Emancipation - are the terms denoting disconnection of pure soulwith inert . You cease to be Jeeva upon the same.- Mukti is a state when you are free from any materialdesire...no other desire except what is required to be alivepeacefully and jeevan mukti of the life form is its death...- Mukti is temporary durational relief from bondages of materialworld.- Mukti is freedom from Pain, Fear and Delusion, Here and Now thisstate is called Jeevan Mukti- achieves God's Realization it means Jivan Mukti - being away frombonds of birth and death. Stopping the cycle of being born again.Faith in scriptures and follow principlesto achieve realization- By realization one gets Mokshyo and by achieving pre-defined target one gets Jeevan Mukti.- Mukthi is liberation after leaving the body (death).- Jeevan Mukthi is liberating while living itself by ones own power -Yoga Sakthi .- jeevan mukti is a spirit when you consider in any good bad, uglycircumstance your connection with parmatama and diconnection frommaterial world happens.- Mukti is liberation from sense of sorrow and sense o limitedness.HOW TO ATTAIN- How do you achieve the same? By positioning yourself intoEquanimity !! In other words by YOGA !!!- Gita spells out the paths- choose to walk the Way- to make this present birth most valuable; with only mukti as aim- begin then guidance will come thereafter- When the bhakta walks one step, God walks nine steps towards him.It becomes ' sahaja yoga'- Attainment is through giving up desire to attain- Realization occurs when no sense of doership is left--------------------------------GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible..3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to theextent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. Be as concise, to the point, respecting sadhaka's time.5. Focus on subject at hand only.6. Do not include links to the other sites.7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc).8. Do not personalize message9. All responses may not be posted.10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting.11. Take into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. i.e. limit the use to Sanskrit words only.Provide English word bracketed.MODERATORRam Ram------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Post message: Subscribe: - Unsubscribe: - , "sadhak_insight" <sadhak_insight wrote:>> Dear Saadhakas,>> Can sombody tell me the meaning of Mukti & Jeevan Mukti.>> How do we achieve the same.>> OM shanti.>> Bhavin Shah> ------------------------------> NEW POSTING>>> Q: Meaning and How to Attain - Mukti and Jeevan Mukti?>> There is a school which believes in post-death persistence of an> individual existence considers that an individual can attain Mukti> after the death based upon the "good deeds" while alive. If one> attains the same while living, it is called Jeevan Mukti. But, if you> want academic clarity on this, there remains a gaping differences of> opinions in the understanding of what Mukti means in the first place.> But mostly, everyone tend to believe that it is akin to an invariant> state.>> Some (e.g. Chaarvaaka, Duryodhana, etc.) say that there is nothing> called Mukti (inavriant). Only the changes we perceive is the> reality. As we have no power to perceive beyond changes, we have no> authority to talk about beyond perception. Even if we do, what is> the use when we cannot manipulate it for our advantage?>> Some (e.g. Ramanuja) say that Mukti (the inavriant) is a super-set> within which all the sets of all the variants are accommodated. Once> the sub-sets throw away their boundaries they become one with the> invariant. This is conceived as Mukti by the school.>> Some (e.g. Vallabha, Madhva, etc.) say that the invariant and the> variants have nothing in common and therefore they are exclusive to> each other. However, they admit that the invariant governs all the> variants. They tend to think that the Mukti is a state when a variant> resides in submission to the invariant.>> Some (e.g. Gowdapada, Shankara, etc.) say that the invariant and> variants are, in fact, inseparable being the same. They are just like> the two poles of a magnet which appear as if opposed to each other> and yet cannot exist without each other. The very multiplicity is an> illusion imposed in one's cognition while the whole universe -> manifested as well as unmanifested - remain nothing but the absolute> in spite of its appearance as variant and invariant in one's> perception. Attaining the unity of the variants with invariant is> obviously perceived as Mukti here.>> Some (e.g. Buddha) say that the world we know is mere a concoction> brewed within our perception and therefore it is as illusive as the> very perception is. Only Nothing remains when the perception is taken> away. Thence, the reality is The Nothing (again an invariant). In> other words, the invariant (perceived as nothing) itself is the> Nirvana or Mukti.>> Whatever we argue upon, neither the changeless nor the change seem to> care. They continue as they ought to! They continue to slip away from> our cognitive understanding!! But they seem to be real within our> cognition sometimes and beyond our cognition some other times!!!> Mukti remains elusive till we chase it. Shikhidhvaja gives up> everything sincerely and yet wonders why is this Mukti slipping> away. His wife Chudala enlightens him, "You have not given up Mukti,> My Dear!".>> Respects.>> Naga Narayana.> -----------------------------> Mukti is liberation, liberation from sense of sorrow and sense o> limitedness. It is realization that we are atman and not body / mind> sense complex. Once realization occurs, there is no rebirth jeevan> mukti as there is no doership left.>> Anil Aggarwal> -----------------------------> Dear sadak referring Gee Waman writing,> Since one does not remember his previous birth, He should definitely> worry, since he is lack of knowledge about where was he before and> why is he now. If he does not worry he continues to live in> different bodies until he goes in quest of his existence. When by> knowledge (Gyana) he understands his existence on this earth, he> seeks Mukthi.> Technically speaking, once a particular plant dies we see the same> plant grow nearby or elsewhere. That by death of this plant, that> particular plant should slowly become extinct, as NO rebirth. So> also we humans die and take form (human or animal) as we did not use> the earlier birth` s purpose.> How did Jesus predict HE will come back to life after his body dies?> HE knew past and the present, by staying 40 days on a hill in> solitude praying for his father. After his death he came alive. How?> That was his austral body by Mukthi leaving his body of bone and> flesh. But if the same christ was not crucified but had he left his> body due to prayer/Yoga is Jeevan Mukthi. Why Jesuis never got> married and lived normal life? Because he was worried about his> present birth and was in search of SAT (Truth) the eternal bliss. He> sent his 13 apostals to preach what? To worry about present birth> and to make this present birth most valuable.> B.Sathyanarayan>> ------------------------------> PRIOR POSTING>> Hari Om>> The pure soul (sentient/chetan) exercises its power of connection> and gets associated with nature(insentient/jad/inert) and adopts the> world as "Jeeva".>> Liberation / Mukti / Jeevan Mukti/ Moksha / Kalyaan / Freedom /> Emancipation - are the terms denoting disconnection of pure soul> with inert . You cease to be Jeeva upon the same.>> How do you achieve the same? By positioning yourself into> Equanimity !! In other words by YOGA !!!>> Jai Shree Krishna>> Vyas N B> ------------------------------->> Priya Sadhak, Namaskar> Do your remember your past birth? if not you are sure not to remember> your present birth in your future birth. So worry about the present> birth only. Actually there is nothing like rebirth. When any life> form ceases to function...it is dead...and that is the end of it..> the deadbody is just like any other innamimate object on this planet> Earth. Mukti is a state when you are free from any material> desire...no other desire except what is required to be alive> peacefully...and jeevan mukti of the life form is its death...> ....Gee Waman> ------------------------------> Deear sadhaka,>> Mukti is temporary durational relief from bondages of material> world. like you get hungry after lunch at dinner time.>> jeevan mukti is a spirit when you consider in any good bad, ugly> circumstance your connection with parmatama and diconnection from> material world happens. it is very difficult as senses indriyas man> buddhi take sway away the best practioners specially in kali age, so> when state of mukti is unwavered min any state time lapse it is> jeevan mukti.>> yours sincerely>> kalrav pande>> ------------------------------->> Dear Shahji,>> I will try to answer your query to the best of my knowledge as I> have understood the questions raised by you:>> 1. Mukti means stopping this chakra of awah jaayi, i.e. end of being> born again and again which happens to all of us until we achieve> moksha or liberation from this cycle of chaurasi laakh yoni;>> 2. To achieve moksha, one has to reach a stage whereby one has no> desires left, whatever we can see and the world are only temporary> and therefore this whole phenomenon of the sansara does not bother> one any more; we are all actors here with a mukhota; in each new> janam we get a new mukhota and we act out our part and then we die> and are born again and again according to our unfulfilled desires> until we are able to establish a contact with our soul and with the> God himself and are completely in love with him and nothing else.> Examples are: Kabir, Mira, Buddha, even though Buddha said he did> not find God in any house that he was born into one birth after the> other; he however has emphasized, inter alia, meditation and> compassion for the one who is working for his liberation, true> compassion at that for every one, irrespective!>> 3. So many paths like karm yoga, gyan yog, bhakti etc. have been> advised to reach the goal to achieve moksha; but I think the easiest> and the ultimate path is pure bhakti when one only loves God and no> one else, not even one's own body, etc. An example is Ram Krishna> Param Hans.>> 4. And then the most important part is bhagwat kripa, after all the> above efforts, whenever God will shower his blessing.>> JAI SITARAMJIKI, JAI SHRI RADHAKRISHNJIKI, JAI VEER HANUMAN.>> Agrasen> -------------------------------> I would like to add:>> The spiritual Path may not seem easy to walk at> first.................. ,> the Upanishads also say," Sharp like the Razor's edge it is ...> difficult to tread" ..........> The sadhaka needs to be warned .............>> but>> if we choose to walk, born out of our own understanding , the> path becomes easy. When the bhakta walks one step, God walks nine> steps towards him. It becomes ' sahaja yoga'> Bhagvada Geetha spells out the step by step Path for all beings,> whatever state of being a person may be.........> it us the way ...... through Karma, Bhakti and> Gnana ............ ....>> narinder bhandari>>>>>> ------------------------------>> Ah, my friends,>> Mukti, we hear, is freedom from being born> again......................>> but , is it so ?>> will there really be no rebirth ?>> .............. and why are we afraid of the rebirth ?>> is it not because we are ever suffering from " Pain, Fear and> Delusion " in our lives .........?">> So....................................>> " Mukti is freedom from Pain, Fear and Delusion........... Dukha,> Bhrama , Bhau ">> and this state of Mind must come to us in this Lifetime. ..........> it must be available to us Here and Now .............>> when that happens .... it is called Jeevan Mukti .............. Such> a person is a "Jeevanmukta .........">> When the Fear goes, it goes forever ..... and then , being born, or> not being born matters not !>>> And how is it achieved ?>> The first step is to choose to walk the Way, shown to us by the> buddhas of yore.... by the knowers of> truth............................>> but if we choose to walk, born out of our own understanding , the> path becomes easy, and Bhagvada Geetha shows us the way ......> through Karma, Bhakti and Gnana ................>> This, Then , is the reply............ in fewest words.>> Begin , my friends, and krishna comes to guide you , step by step,> one step at a time ........... His blessings are always with him,> who chooses to walk the path !>>> narinder bhandari> -------------------------------> Dear Sadak,> Mukthi is liberation after leaving the body (death). Jeevan Mukthi> is liberating while living itself by ones own power. Jeevan mukthi> is liberating the soul from body by Yoga Sakthi through Susumba> Nerve. Jeevan muktha can come back to life as and when he wants by> austrial body. Jeevan Mukthas are, Sant Gyaneswar, Ragavendrar,> Hatiram Baba at Tirumala Hills, Sant Vemanna and Bramagaru at Andra> Pradseh, Patinathar in Tamilnadu so on. Mukthas are numerous saint> who died but got liberated.> B.Sathyanarayan> -------------------------------> Dear Sadhak>> Try to undderstand in short. Every human being wish to achieve God's> Realization. When human being leaves his or her body we say he got> Mukti. But if he has done good actions in life then he or she> achieves God's Realization it means Jivan Mukti meaning thereby he> or she has not to take another birth. Both are away from the bond of> birth and deaths There are many scholar who will explain in lenthy> explanation> Always have faith in our scriptures> Follow every principle with devotion and faith> Then we have every chance to achieve God's Realization> Truly yours>> S S Bhatt> -------------------------------> One is Mrityu (death) another is Mokshyo (liberalization). Well, how> to attain? By realization one gets Mokshyo and by achieving pre-> defined target one gets Jeevan Mukti. Regards> BARIN CHATTERJEE>> -------------------------------> SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSES>> MEANING> - The pure soul (sentient/chetan) exercises its power of connection> and gets associated with nature(insentient/jad/inert) and adopts the> world as "Jeeva".> - Liberation / Mukti / Jeevan Mukti/ Moksha / Kalyaan / Freedom /> Emancipation - are the terms denoting disconnection of pure soul> with inert . You cease to be Jeeva upon the same.> - Mukti is a state when you are free from any material> desire...no other desire except what is required to be alive> peacefully and jeevan mukti of the life form is its death...> - Mukti is temporary durational relief from bondages of material> world.> - Mukti is freedom from Pain, Fear and Delusion, Here and Now this> state is called Jeevan Mukti> - achieves God's Realization it means Jivan Mukti - being away from> bonds of birth and death. Stopping the cycle of being born again.> Faith in scriptures and follow principles> to achieve realization> - By realization one gets Mokshyo and by achieving pre-> defined target one gets Jeevan Mukti.> - Mukthi is liberation after leaving the body (death).> - Jeevan Mukthi is liberating while living itself by ones own power -> Yoga Sakthi .> - jeevan mukti is a spirit when you consider in any good bad, ugly> circumstance your connection with parmatama and diconnection from> material world happens.> - Mukti is liberation from sense of sorrow and sense o limitedness.>> HOW TO ATTAIN> - How do you achieve the same? By positioning yourself into> Equanimity !! In other words by YOGA !!!> - Gita spells out the paths> - choose to walk the Way> - to make this present birth most valuable; with only mukti as aim> - begin then guidance will come thereafter> - When the bhakta walks one step, God walks nine steps towards him.> It becomes ' sahaja yoga'> - Attainment is through giving up desire to attain> - Realization occurs when no sense of doership is left>> --------------------------------> GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -> 1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.> 2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible..> 3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the> extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas> 4. Be as concise, to the point, respecting sadhaka's time.> 5. Focus on subject at hand only.> 6. Do not include links to the other sites.> 7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc).> 8. Do not personalize message> 9. All responses may not be posted.> 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting.> 11. Take into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-> sectarian audience. i.e. limit the use to Sanskrit words only.> Provide English word bracketed.>> MODERATOR> Ram Ram> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------->> Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: -

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