CURSE - Gita's Views with any Fact / Proven Incident Details

January 28, 2009

Please let me know Geetaji's view on CURSE by people (others not

connected with family + family members / parents) or even by the

Almighty. Any details / proven incidents will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks N Regards

V.Sivasankaran

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January 29, 2009

Please let me know Geetaji's view on CURSE by people (others not

connected with family + family members / parents) or even by the

Almighty. Any details / proven incidents will be greatly appreciated.

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V.Sivasankaran

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Dear Sadhak

Hare Krishna

No scope for curse in Shri Gitaji at all. Whatsoever untoward

happens or is bound to happen can be diverted by God Krishna.

Chapter 9 Verse No. 28

says----Shubhashubh Phalairaivam Mokshyese Karmbandhanai....You will

be freed from the bonds of Karma and good and evil consequences

thereof. Whatsoever comes in the way or life we should accept it

happily. Bad days or curse provide us the opportunity to face it and

overcome it. No scope for despondency in Gitaji.

Curse will disperse happily by the blessings of Satchchidanand

(Eternel Bliss).

We all are sons of Immortality...Vayam Amritasya Putrah. Be Happy

and never run away from challenging tough times. Never forget God.

Hare Krishna

Mahesh Sharma

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Dear sadak,

Duryodhan mother cursed Sri Krishna that HIS vamsa (family

succession/offsprings) be destroyed for cause of death to her

children. I think only she understood Sri Krishna very well, because

though Arjuna and other waged war and killed her chidren, it would

not have been possible. But the curse turned to have good effect

though Sri Krishna`s Vamsa got destroyed. Arjuna was cursed by Indra

Lok dancer to Arjuna of Bedi roop. But that also happened but the

cursed was protection to Arjuna. These curses were selfish curse.

Curse is out of anger which is based on desire. So Bagavan or

Bagavan Shiva can never do so. A washerman framed abusing charges

against mother Seetha for having stayed in Ravana garden. Sri Rama

took it as moral. But that abuse was wrong and baseless. The same

washerman was born as Rasagan in washermen family. His vasana made

him wag towards Sri krishna WHO sent him to Patal Lok. That is a

curse self obtained by washerman.

King Parikshit got curse to die within 7 days for his action on a

sanyasin.

Curse does effect even today misdeeds. If you want details please

write to group.

B.Sathyanarayan

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Dear thinker,

Curse is " bhugtan " or payment of paap (sins) ie by killing, or himsa

(violence) on any matter. And in metaphyshical terms or religious

terms it is bad duaa or the cry of being hurt that becomes also a

curse to the offender. Thus ahinsa is pramo dharma. as in some or

some birth we pay for the hinsa on plants, animals, humans etc.

Puranas, mahabharata specially mention lucid stories in which curse

has been given by persons not blood related. blood related curse

comes as pitra dosha/ matra dosha, in prarabadh or kundalis.

as far as curse by non relatives we have lucid stories in example:-

devimahabhagvat purana (code:1133) gita press. that saraswati ganga

gave curses to each other. Brahmins giving curse are lucidlly given

in bhagvatam and puranas . In Ramyana Shravan kumars parents gave

curse to Dasharatha. Pandu got curse from a rishi he killed in

vanprastha as a result of which pandu lost life while desiring

madri.

Bhrigu gave curse to jai vijay of vishnu lok they after wards became

ravana and kumbhkarna. Gandhari gave curse to krishna of yadu kuls

destruction.

And ofcourse if a child hurts his parents the curse in any form

comes as pitra / matra doshas in life or kundalis.

yours sincerely,

kalrav pande

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SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSES

- Curses are generally out of selfishness, anger which is based on

desire.

- Curse is paying one's dues for violence.

- Gita 9:28 - God Almighty is capable of diverting all...freed from

the bonds of Karma and good and evil consequences thereof. Accept

all situations happily. No scope for despondency in Gitaji. We all

are sons of Immortality...Vayam Amritasya Putrah. Be Happy and never

run away from challenging tough times. Never forget God.

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3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the

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4. Be as concise, to the point, respecting sadhaka's time.

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February 5, 2009

Please let me know Geetaji's view on CURSE by people (others not

connected with family + family members / parents) or even by the

Almighty. Any details / proven incidents will be greatly appreciated.

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V.Sivasankaran

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Dear all,

Radhe Krishna!

Curses by great people turn out to have favourable results, in the

sense that they result only in some good. Our Puranas are replete

with stories proving this. Examples are:

Chitraketu, after being given the position of a Vidyadhara saw Lord

Siva sitting with Parvati on His lap in the Deva-sabha. He made

fun of the Lord, although the Lord did not take it seriously. But

Parvati Devi cursed him to be born as an Asura. He was born as

Vritrasura, and he was endowed with the Knowledge of Brahman. He

was killed by Indra and finally got salvation.

Indra was cursed by Durvasa when Indra kept the fragrant garland

given by him on the head of the elephant and the elephant threw it

down and trampled on it. Durvasa cursed that Indra and all his

Devas would be afflicted by old age and disease, and this led to the

churning of the milky ocean and many products which came out of the

ocean like Lakshmi Devi, the Kaustubha Mani, Amrita etc.

In the Krishnavatar itself, there are stories of curses like the

ones on Nala and Kubara who were having water sport naked in the

waters of Yamuna and were seen by Narada who cursed them to become

trees. By this curse, they got rid of their pride, and got

salvation at the hands of Krishna.

Jaya and Vijaya, by their bad behaviour towards the Sanaka brothers

when they went to Vaikunta-loka to see the Lord, were cursed by the

sages to have birth as an asura. The Lord modified it so that they

will go back to Vaikunta Loka after three births as Asuras, i.e.,

Hiranyaksha and Hiranya-kasipu, Ravana and Kumbha-karna and finally

as Sisupala and Dantavaktra, who were all killed by the Lord Himself

and they got salvation. But for this act of theirs towards the

Sanaka brothers, there would not have been a Narasimha avatar,

Prahlada, and Krishna Avatar itself, and therew would not have been

Bhagavad Gita too!

What we should learn from all these, is that EVERY ACT OF THE LORD

HAS A PURPOSE BEHIND IT, AND IT IS ONLY FOR OUR GOOD. WE ARE NOT

ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THESE AT THE NICK OF THE MOMENT DUE TO THE CLOUD

OF IGNORANCE SURROUNDING US.

One thing to be noted is that in the Bhagavatam which relates the

Story of Vishnu, especially more than 50% of the epic devoted to

Krishnavatar, which is a purna-avatar of the Nirguna brahman and as

Lord Krishna, He was an embodiment of Sattva-guna, there is not even

one instance where He has pronounced a curse on anyone.

After all, the Krishna Avatar was to protect the righteous and

destroy evil, teaching the path of Dharma to mankind.

Regards

K.V. Gopalakrishna

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dear Sadak,

For my contemplation: Why Abimanyu was killed with the knowledge of

Geethaji. Bhagavan knew earlier and took Arjuna away and prepared

him for shock to come. Still Arjuna could not have balanced mind by

Bhagavan fore said matter with example, and took vow to kill the

killer or set himself in fire. Many times Bagavan saved Arjuna.

B.Sathyanarayan

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To get a clear idea on how curse work read book on law of karma by

robert svoboda

IEC GLOBAL

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Dear Sadhaks

Apart from Gita reference to curse, I believe the saadhak's

questions is connected to present day, not puranic age. Thats an

interesting question as even today huge cross section of the people

believe in 'dristi' (bad eye) or 'saapa' (curse). I do not believe

in such things. But if any one in this sadhak community has seen in

his life a person giving 'curse' to other and if that happened

truly. That is perhaps what is wanted here!!

People under lot of miseries, we cannot so believe some (unknown)

person may have 'cursed' them.

Regards

Venu Komanduri

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