Guest guest Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 || Shree Hari || Ram Ram II 2:7 II kaarpanya-doshopahata-svabhaavah prcchaami tvaam dharma-sammoodha-cetaah yac chreyah syaan niscitam broohi tan me shishyas te 'ham shaadhi maam tvaam prapannam " My very being is overpowered with the vice of faint heartedness and my mind is confused with regard to my duty. I entreat you to tell me what is decidedly good for me. I am your disciple, instruct me, who has taken refuge, in you. Comment: Every human being is a spiritual aspirant. The reason is that out of His grace only, God has given the human birth for his spiritual welfare who otherwise is subjected to misery of being born in 84 0, 000 types of species. No one should be disappointed for not being able to uplift himself. Every human being has a birth right to attain God realization; as a human being he is independent, capable, fit and has a right to achieve the goal of human life. The very first important step is to recognize the goal and accept the idea that he does not belong to the world and he is a spiritual aspirant. The feeling that I am man, I am woman, I am Brahman, Kshatriya (Ruling class), Vaishya (Business class) or Sudra (working class), Brahmachari (student observing celibacy), householder, Vanprastha (in process of leaving attachment to the world), Samyasi (renunciate), all these are fine for dealing with the world but these become an obstacle in the pursuit of God realization. All these feelings and relationships are due to the body only. The God realization is not attained by the body but is achieved by the self only. The self is " without the body " (free from the body). Arjuna has recognized his goal of life. That is why he is not asking for whether to fight or not to fight, he is simply asking what is definite and absolutely good for him spiritually. From Gita Prabodhani in Hindi pg. 20-21 by Swami Ramsukhdasji --------------------------- Chapter 2, Verse 7 is as follows; KaarpaNya –DoShaH = taint of pity UpahataH = overpowered SvabhaavaH = (my) nature Pruchchhaami = I ask Tvaam = you Dharma = duty Sammoodha = confused ChetaaH = mind Yat = which ShreyaH = good Syaat = may be Nishchitam = decisively Broohi = tell me Tat = that Me = for me ShiShyaH = disciple Te = your Aham = I Shaadhi = instruct Maam = me Tvaam = to you Prapannam = taken refuge English translation:- My nature is over-powered by the taint of feeble-mindedness; my understanding is confused as to what is my duty. I entreat you; say definitely what is good for me. I am your disciple. Please instruct me, who has taken refuge in you. The Upanishad declares that he who does not strive for spiritual enlightenment is a `KripaNa' i.e. one who has become feeble and an object of pity, one who is inclined and destined to grieve for ever in his mortal existence. In the verse 49 of chapter 2, Lord Krishna has defined `KripaNaaH Phala-HetavaH' i.e. the result-seekers are the wretched people. Arjuna correctly diagnoses himself; for the first time admits that his personal crisis has evolved from his state of tearful sorrow, uncontrollable overwhelming pity and misplaced compassion. Arjuna expresses his extreme confusion and total bewilderment. Arjuna is driven not only by despair, anxiety and doubt but also by an ardent desire for certainty. To realise one's unreason is indeed the first right step towards one's development based on logical reasonings. The consciousness of one's imperfection is an indication that there is a glimmer of hope for the ascent of that man. A human being is led to a higher developed and evolved state only through a crisis of contrition. Contrition is deep sorrow and self-condemnation, coupled with repentance for sin as it is displeasing to God and indirectly it implies a feeling of deep love towards God. Attrition is sorrow for sin or imperfect repentance produced by fear of punishment or a sense of the baseness of sin. Repentance is a penitent renunciation and turning away from sin. Thorough repentance, a new divine outlook to one's life is generated. Repentance is often used as synonymous with contrition. All these stages are very important steps towards the ultimate progression to divinity. It is the general experience of seekers that they are assailed by doubts and difficulties, even when they are on the threshold of enlightenment. The light that spreads in any soul is bound to meet stiff resistance from already filled in darkness. All these negative tendencies of doubts, fears, indulging passions, unfulfilled desires and associated anger must be laid on the altar and be consumed in the fire of knowledge and wisdom. Such struggle with darkness will continue until the light completely fills one's whole being. It reminds me of a famous song by late Mukesh; " Raata Aur Dina, Diyaa Jale; Mere Mana Men Phira Bhee Andhiyaaraa Hain " i.e. a lamp is burning day and night, but my mind is still filled with darkness. How do I dispel that darkness? In the verse 16 of chapter 5, Lord Krishna has very nicely illustrated, " But for those, in whom ignorance is destroyed by wisdom, for them wisdom lights up the Supreme Self like the Sun. " In the verse 17 of chapter 5, Lord Krishna has beautifully illustrated, " Thinking about that ultimate goal of Self realisation, making that goal as the sole purpose and aim in their human existence and life, with that sole object of their devotion to the Supreme Being, they ultimately reach a state of no return, all their sins are washed away by wisdom. " Arjuna, weighted down by wretchedness, confused to the core about what is right and wrong, now seeks guidance from his dear friend and a newly found Guru, Lord Krishna. Admitting his inability to decide, whether to fight the battle as a true `Kshatriya' i.e. warrior or to seek voluntary retirement from the battlefield; Arjuna surrenders to Lord Krishna. This is a total surrender, without any reservations. Lord Krishna has been waiting for this very moment of `SampoorNa Ananyabhaava SharaNaagati' i.e. total surrender of Arjuna, without any other distractions. A true Guru can offer his solemn advice only when the disciple is properly conditioned and fully prepared to receive it. Knowledge is earnestly sought. Knowledge is not doled out. Every Sadhak will realise that the first step in the study of Shreemad Bhagawad Geeta is to keep aside personal egos, biases, half- baked knowledge and develop a sense of `Shraddhaa' i.e. trust and confidence in the teachings of the divine scripture, which has stood the ultimate test of time. In the verse 6 of chapter 14, Lord Krishna has clearly communicated, " Of these (Sattva, Rajasa and Tamas the three basic human tendencies), Sattva i.e. goodness being intrinsically pure in nature, it causes self illumination and sound health in every seeker. O sinless one, it binds every Sadhak by attachment to happiness and knowledge. " Every Sadhak needs to acknowledge that `Sattvaat Sanjaayate Dnyaanam' i.e. only from purity of heart and mind, knowledge is dawned upon those who seek `Yoga' i.e. unity with the Aatman i.e. the subset of the superset termed as Brahman. Arjuna expresses his full trust and confidence in his divine charioteer. Arjuna has complete faith in the large-heartedness of Lord Krishna. Arjuna firmly believes that Lord Krishna has supreme patience along with his supreme knowledge and therefore Lord Krishna will certainly explain him everything without any display of irritation or loss of continuity. Please note that Arjuna has sought 'Shreyasa' and not `Preyasa'. `Preyasa' is one that offers pleasure to begin with and in the end it offers pain. On the other hand, `Shreyasa' is one that offers pain to begin with and in the end it offers pleasure. Therefore, Shankaraachaarya has termed `Preyasa' as `Avidyaa' i.e. ignorance and `Shreyasa' as `Vidyaa' i.e. knowledge. Out of the four `Purushaarthaas', `Artha' i.e. possessions including wealth and `Kaama' i.e. generation of progeny in accordance with scriptures are `Preyas' activities; while `Dharma' i.e. righteous conduct and `Moksha' i.e. realisation of the Self are `Shreyas' activities. Arjuna is indeed fortunate to have `Jagad-Guru' i.e. preceptor of the entire world, Lord Krishna as his friend, philosopher and guide. Thanks & Best Regards, Shrikant Joshi. =============================================================== || Shree Hari || Ram Ram All Sadhaks can and should contribute as well. Discussion / clarification is encouraged OTHER REQUESTS FROM SADHAKS - Please feel free to take the lead in any of these areas so that all sadhaks may benefit. - Introduction to Chapters (GT MODERATOR FROM SADHAK SANJIVANI) - Chapter Summary - Principles and Laws emanating from it.(N.B. VYAS) - Summary of Chapter from Sadhak Sanjivani " AS IS " - Yes, Epilogue / Important Facts in each verse good to bring out. - Any subtle thoughts / interpretation (MIKE ?) - In-depth explanation of " Om Tat Saditi Srimadbhagavadgitaasu, Upanishadsu..... " is a very good idea. (GT MODERATOR FROM SADHAK SANJIVANI) From Gita Talk Moderators Ram Ram ----------------------------- Shree Hari Ram Ram We deeply thank Shri Shrikantji Joshi for taking the initiative to support this divine work of daily one verse Bhagavad Gita explanation and Shri Madan Kauraji for the Gita Prabodhani translation Chapter 1 and 2 and to Mrs. K Asani for requesting shloka explanation on a daily basis. 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Guest guest Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 || Shree Hari || Ram Ram NEW POSTING INSIGHTS / THOUGHTS / INTERPRETATIONS - Gita 2:7 -Shree Hari- I saw this paragraph pasted below, as describing the turning point for all Sadhaks/Human Beings in returning to their divine nature, it speaks for itself: 'Arjuna is driven not only by despair, anxiety and doubt but also by an ardent desire for certainty. To realise one's unreason is indeed the first right step towards one's development based on logical reasonings. The consciousness of one's imperfection is an indication that there is a glimmer of hope for the ascent of that man. A human being is led to a higher developed and evolved state only through a crisis of contrition.' I have held to that concept long before I found Gitaji. (That Dark Night of The Soul). One other point, many do not understand, Repentance, is not just being sorry for ones sin, it is elevating to a point where one could not possibly repeat the sin. With Respects and Divine Love, Mike (Keenor) --------------------------- II 2:7 II kaarpanya-doshopahata-svabhaavah prcchaami tvaam dharma-sammoodha-cetaah yac chreyah syaan niscitam broohi tan me shishyas te 'ham shaadhi maam tvaam prapannam " My very being is overpowered with the vice of faint heartedness and my mind is confused with regard to my duty. I entreat you to tell me what is decidedly good for me. I am your disciple, instruct me, who has taken refuge, in you. Comment: Every human being is a spiritual aspirant. The reason is that out of His grace only, God has given the human birth for his spiritual welfare who otherwise is subjected to misery of being born in 84 0, 000 types of species. No one should be disappointed for not being able to uplift himself. Every human being has a birth right to attain God realization; as a human being he is independent, capable, fit and has a right to achieve the goal of human life. The very first important step is to recognize the goal and accept the idea that he does not belong to the world and he is a spiritual aspirant. The feeling that I am man, I am woman, I am Brahman, Kshatriya (Ruling class), Vaishya (Business class) or Sudra (working class), Brahmachari (student observing celibacy), householder, Vanprastha (in process of leaving attachment to the world), Samyasi (renunciate), all these are fine for dealing with the world but these become an obstacle in the pursuit of God realization. All these feelings and relationships are due to the body only. The God realization is not attained by the body but is achieved by the self only. The self is " without the body " (free from the body). Arjuna has recognized his goal of life. That is why he is not asking for whether to fight or not to fight, he is simply asking what is definite and absolutely good for him spiritually. From Gita Prabodhani in Hindi pg. 20-21 by Swami Ramsukhdasji --------------------------- Chapter 2, Verse 7 is as follows; KaarpaNya –DoShaH = taint of pity UpahataH = overpowered SvabhaavaH = (my) nature Pruchchhaami = I ask Tvaam = you Dharma = duty Sammoodha = confused ChetaaH = mind Yat = which ShreyaH = good Syaat = may be Nishchitam = decisively Broohi = tell me Tat = that Me = for me ShiShyaH = disciple Te = your Aham = I Shaadhi = instruct Maam = me Tvaam = to you Prapannam = taken refuge English translation:- My nature is over-powered by the taint of feeble-mindedness; my understanding is confused as to what is my duty. I entreat you; say definitely what is good for me. I am your disciple. Please instruct me, who has taken refuge in you. The Upanishad declares that he who does not strive for spiritual enlightenment is a `KripaNa' i.e. one who has become feeble and an object of pity, one who is inclined and destined to grieve for ever in his mortal existence. In the verse 49 of chapter 2, Lord Krishna has defined `KripaNaaH Phala-HetavaH' i.e. the result-seekers are the wretched people. Arjuna correctly diagnoses himself; for the first time admits that his personal crisis has evolved from his state of tearful sorrow, uncontrollable overwhelming pity and misplaced compassion. Arjuna expresses his extreme confusion and total bewilderment. Arjuna is driven not only by despair, anxiety and doubt but also by an ardent desire for certainty. To realise one's unreason is indeed the first right step towards one's development based on logical reasonings. The consciousness of one's imperfection is an indication that there is a glimmer of hope for the ascent of that man. A human being is led to a higher developed and evolved state only through a crisis of contrition. Contrition is deep sorrow and self-condemnation, coupled with repentance for sin as it is displeasing to God and indirectly it implies a feeling of deep love towards God. Attrition is sorrow for sin or imperfect repentance produced by fear of punishment or a sense of the baseness of sin. Repentance is a penitent renunciation and turning away from sin. Thorough repentance, a new divine outlook to one's life is generated. Repentance is often used as synonymous with contrition. All these stages are very important steps towards the ultimate progression to divinity. It is the general experience of seekers that they are assailed by doubts and difficulties, even when they are on the threshold of enlightenment. The light that spreads in any soul is bound to meet stiff resistance from already filled in darkness. All these negative tendencies of doubts, fears, indulging passions, unfulfilled desires and associated anger must be laid on the altar and be consumed in the fire of knowledge and wisdom. Such struggle with darkness will continue until the light completely fills one's whole being. It reminds me of a famous song by late Mukesh; " Raata Aur Dina, Diyaa Jale; Mere Mana Men Phira Bhee Andhiyaaraa Hain " i.e. a lamp is burning day and night, but my mind is still filled with darkness. How do I dispel that darkness? In the verse 16 of chapter 5, Lord Krishna has very nicely illustrated, " But for those, in whom ignorance is destroyed by wisdom, for them wisdom lights up the Supreme Self like the Sun. " In the verse 17 of chapter 5, Lord Krishna has beautifully illustrated, " Thinking about that ultimate goal of Self realisation, making that goal as the sole purpose and aim in their human existence and life, with that sole object of their devotion to the Supreme Being, they ultimately reach a state of no return, all their sins are washed away by wisdom. " Arjuna, weighted down by wretchedness, confused to the core about what is right and wrong, now seeks guidance from his dear friend and a newly found Guru, Lord Krishna. Admitting his inability to decide, whether to fight the battle as a true `Kshatriya' i.e. warrior or to seek voluntary retirement from the battlefield; Arjuna surrenders to Lord Krishna. This is a total surrender, without any reservations. Lord Krishna has been waiting for this very moment of `SampoorNa Ananyabhaava SharaNaagati' i.e. total surrender of Arjuna, without any other distractions. A true Guru can offer his solemn advice only when the disciple is properly conditioned and fully prepared to receive it. Knowledge is earnestly sought. Knowledge is not doled out. Every Sadhak will realise that the first step in the study of Shreemad Bhagawad Geeta is to keep aside personal egos, biases, half- baked knowledge and develop a sense of `Shraddhaa' i.e. trust and confidence in the teachings of the divine scripture, which has stood the ultimate test of time. In the verse 6 of chapter 14, Lord Krishna has clearly communicated, " Of these (Sattva, Rajasa and Tamas the three basic human tendencies), Sattva i.e. goodness being intrinsically pure in nature, it causes self illumination and sound health in every seeker. O sinless one, it binds every Sadhak by attachment to happiness and knowledge. " Every Sadhak needs to acknowledge that `Sattvaat Sanjaayate Dnyaanam' i.e. only from purity of heart and mind, knowledge is dawned upon those who seek `Yoga' i.e. unity with the Aatman i.e. the subset of the superset termed as Brahman. Arjuna expresses his full trust and confidence in his divine charioteer. Arjuna has complete faith in the large-heartedness of Lord Krishna. Arjuna firmly believes that Lord Krishna has supreme patience along with his supreme knowledge and therefore Lord Krishna will certainly explain him everything without any display of irritation or loss of continuity. Please note that Arjuna has sought 'Shreyasa' and not `Preyasa'. `Preyasa' is one that offers pleasure to begin with and in the end it offers pain. On the other hand, `Shreyasa' is one that offers pain to begin with and in the end it offers pleasure. Therefore, Shankaraachaarya has termed `Preyasa' as `Avidyaa' i.e. ignorance and `Shreyasa' as `Vidyaa' i.e. knowledge. Out of the four `Purushaarthaas', `Artha' i.e. possessions including wealth and `Kaama' i.e. generation of progeny in accordance with scriptures are `Preyas' activities; while `Dharma' i.e. righteous conduct and `Moksha' i.e. realisation of the Self are `Shreyas' activities. Arjuna is indeed fortunate to have `Jagad-Guru' i.e. preceptor of the entire world, Lord Krishna as his friend, philosopher and guide. Thanks & Best Regards, Shrikant Joshi. =============================================================== || Shree Hari || Ram Ram All Sadhaks can and should contribute as well. Discussion / clarification is encouraged OTHER REQUESTS FROM SADHAKS - Please feel free to take the lead in any of these areas so that all sadhaks may benefit. - Introduction to Chapters (GT MODERATOR FROM SADHAK SANJIVANI) - Chapter Summary - Principles and Laws emanating from it.(N.B. VYAS) - Summary of Chapter from Sadhak Sanjivani " AS IS " - Yes, Epilogue / Important Facts in each verse good to bring out. - Any subtle thoughts / interpretation (MIKE ?) - In-depth explanation of " Om Tat Saditi Srimadbhagavadgitaasu, Upanishadsu..... " is a very good idea. (GT MODERATOR FROM SADHAK SANJIVANI) From Gita Talk Moderators Ram Ram ----------------------------- Shree Hari Ram Ram We deeply thank Shri Shrikantji Joshi for taking the initiative to support this divine work of daily one verse Bhagavad Gita explanation and Shri Madan Kauraji for the Gita Prabodhani translation Chapter 1 and 2 and to Mrs. K Asani for requesting shloka explanation on a daily basis. From Gita Talk Moderators Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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