Guest guest Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 The three basic essentials for Salvation / Liberation / Benediction: 1) Maanushatuvam, (Human birth) 2) Mumukshathuvam (Desire for Liberation, Salvation, Moksha) and 3) Maha Purusha Samshrayaha (Association of Great Souls) --- Dullabam Triyo. (rare three) Great men are in this forum. Please discuss in SHORT. Jai Sri Krishna Baiya Sathyanarayan ----------------------------- NEW POSTING Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! I see this just as Sathyanarayanji has put it, the three essentials for Liberation! 1) Human Being 2) Desire for Liberation 3) Association with Great Souls. Being Human, desires arise from feelings of lack, inadequacy, insignificance, trying towards fulfillment or completeness. However, in ignorance, we miss to see that we are already full, adequate and significant just as we are! This leads us to fulfillment through the pursuits of objects of the world thinking they are real. Because they seem real we get attached to them and we suffer. They do seem to offer fleeting pleasures fooling us! This ignorance, however, is due to identification fundamentally with body (no fault of body) as it provides the natural anchor for all functionality of being human, but mistaken as anchor for pleasures through senses and mind resulting in a false sense of " me " , but taken real " me " . At some point the desire for Liberation gets stronger and stronger by noticing that " I am never ever totally fulfilled through pursuits of objects which are limited in themselves in the first place " . This comes also from scriptures, association with Great Souls. This leads one to glimpses of Truth of one's true nature, called The Grace of God. It is Truth Itself that invites such a person toward Liberation from the limitations, from being insignificant. The apparent person accepting this invitation is Grace or Blessings! If seen this way, discrimination(Viveka) arises and subsequently dispassion(Vairagya) towards the objects. Association with Mahapurusha(s), the Great Souls strengthens by Itself but apparently as if by efforts of the person. Truth Itself finds the way to Itself called Self or God Realization, while apparent person seems to be engaged in selfless karmas, Total devotion or Love for the Absolute! Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt ------------------------------ GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE - 1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted. 2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible.. 3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Be as concise, to the point, respecting sadhaka's time. 5. Focus on subject at hand only. 6. Do not include links to the other sites. 7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc). 8. Do not personalize message 9. All responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting. 11. Take into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non- sectarian audience. i.e. limit the use to Sanskrit words only. Provide English word bracketed. MODERATOR Ram Ram ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 The three basic essentials for Salvation / Liberation / Benediction: 1) Maanushatuvam, (Human birth) 2) Mumukshathuvam (Desire for Liberation, Salvation, Moksha) and 3) Maha Purusha Samshrayaha (Association of Great Souls) --- Dullabam Triyo. (rare three) Great men are in this forum. Please discuss in SHORT. Jai Sri Krishna Baiya Sathyanarayan ----------------------------- NEW POSTING The following three basic essentials for salvation quoted by Sathyanarayanji below appear in the 3rd verse of Vivekachudamani by Sri Aadi Sankara wherein he clearly states that they can happen only by God's Grace ( by Daivanugraham). These three essentials actually pave the way for the enquiry into the Self which ultimately leads to salvation. The first step in that direction according Sankara is the Sadhana Chatustayam: Discrimination between Atma- Anatma (Real and Unreal) etc. in which the last one is Mumukshathvam. B. Vempaty ----------------------------- Hari Om Sadhak Sathyanarainji has indeed brought out nectar from scriptures. Yes ! This human birth is ONLY for God Realisation. It is pity that we are wasting the same on drawing lines of likings and dislikings, you and me, mine and other, here and not there, there and not here etc etc We often see that a human being runs away from challenges which Paramatma invariably sends in the form of sorrows, adversities to each and every human being. If at all we understand that we have not been given this human birth for enjoying pleasures, or for 'pampering' our false egos, or for running away from our 'svadharma' (personal duties based on varna, ashram, gender etc) but for tolerating the HITS to our egos - we shall instantly become peaceful, we shall instantly become 'dutiful' and we shall instantly become 'dharmatma' ! Obstacle- sheer unwillingness to shed false, non existent, baseless, stupidity driven , ignorance generated, EGO ! This one single thing - EGO - has been identified by Scriptures as 'real culprit' !! EGO - means Me Me , Mein Mein , - ever heard sound of goat?- Mine , You are wrong - I am right. Your duty-my right, I like this, I dislike this, He is mine, he is other, MY intellect, My mind, My body, My power, My Right, My respect, My equality - Me and Mine/ Likings and Dislikings. We should therefore welcome every incidence, every person , every thing, every circumstance, every happening - which/who ruthlessly crushes our this ego ! We should pray to God like Kunti did- O God, Please give pleasure to others, but give adversity to me. Let all others' wives be obedient but let my wife be nasty/arguementative with tongue like that of a crow ! . Let all others' hubbies be great but let my hubby be the 'toughest of tough nuts'- ever demanding/ ever quarrelling !!! Let all others' get respect and I should get humiliation/ disrespect/ non attention ! Why are we afraid of 'demands'? Why do we seek 'non demanding' alliance? Is human life given for taking from the world or giving to the world? How can we give if the other side is not demanding ? Are we that insolvents / bankrupts and beggars ? Do we possess nothing to 'give' to others? Hence we should welcome adversity. So that (or by whatever other method,) WE BECOME EGOLESS ! LET US BE EGOLESS ! What kind of ego can a son/daughter exhibit before his/her father or mother? (Everything belongs to them only. Says Swamiji- Even if we make shoes out of our skin for them, we can't repay them because the very skin has been received by us from them only). What kind of ego parents show to their children? ( They are your creations. They can ONLY be as you are! Who was that third party who was involved in their creation? ) What kind of ego can a hubby exhibit before his wife? (She is grihalaxmi - Queen of the home. She is ANNAPURNA , feeder to all. She is 1000 times superior to you. She is almost equal to God in dozens of respects. She is preserver of your very heritage. She is the VERY and the ONLY cause why your 'house' is called 'home' and not hotel/restaurant/inn/ dharamshala / ashram/ math ! ) What kind of ego wife can maintain before her hubby? (He is the shine of her forehead. Glitter of her very bangles. Father of her children. Her very surname? What is that she has but which is hidden from him? ) An employee before employer? (He is master. Giver of what employee needs) An employer before employee? (Employee does Employers' work as well own work. Employer can't do his own work also). No earthly relationship demands maintenance / sustenance of ego ! Mother Nature has given some unique special traits in every creature. No one is inferior or superior. Where does the question of ego arise at all ? No one is perfect. No one is error free. No one is independent. Every one is bound. Every one is suffering. The other person is keeping ego, hence I am keeping ego- most say so !! So if other person goes to hell, you also go !! Why one should look at reciprocation? Rarely a person understands that all sorrows, all pains come to you only for destruction of EGO- and are God sent- and are ONLY and ONLY the fruits of your own Karmas AND YOUR OWN KARMAS ONLY ! No one is causing it - no one, be it your parents or your wife or your hubby or your in laws or your children or your employers. No one is causing it. God also is not causing. IT IS YOU AND YOU ONLY who is responsible for your sorrows . What wife or husband or son or mother is going to do ? Where then the Q of any blame on other arises? Hence we should pray for destruction of our ego. Because when ego gets destroyed, then only God is realised. Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B ----------------------------- Human birth is the first thing for seeking liberation Secondly we have to ry for liberation There are specific steps to be taken.I am printing its specific book review writtent by me The third thing is having satsang with religious persons This Gita Talk is like a Satsang. Am I correct " Thanks to its promoter that we got a chance to discuss very good ideas about liberation Here is my article on review of Swami Jyotiramayanandas book Shankerprasad Bhatt -------------- FOUR GATEKEEPERS AT THE PALACE OF LIBERATION by Swami Jyotiramayanandas In this is explained some spiritual principles required to be cultivated for final liberation of our souls The first principle he explained is about serenity of atmosphere in which we do panacea in addition to serenity of the mind we develop in the process of meditation practice or ritualistic worship. That is why we are directed to keep silence for at least fifteen minutes in a day The second principle is about contentment in life. We cannot be happy without contentment in life. The whole life will be finished after fulfilling various desires of pleasures and enjoyments in life we are directed to control our desires in life The third principle is good association of friends or spiritual people who will perform some spiritual practices together pertaining to recitation of bhajans or doing meditation practices or discussion about any spiritual subject. It also includes social work for the needy people The fourth principle is very important it pertains to understand or soul and body too. Take care of the body, hear its story and take care of it and Go deep into our hearts and try to understand' who may I? Read Atman Boddha written by Adi Sri Shankeracharya. This will enlighten us and take us to the righteous path of liberation of the soul. ------------ Main points on how we can be happy in human life and finally go to God for final manifestation. 1. The first thing to be happy is to offer consistent prayers every day if you wish to be happy in human life If you wish to study about prayers, how they are to be offered you may read my book namely 'Prayers of all Religions of the world ' 2. Free your heart from hatred toward others 3 Free your mind from worries How to avoid worries. 4 Live simple life with contentment in life 5. Give more to down trodden people by way of food and clothing 6. Expect less from others If you expect and of it is not available then you are unhappy Try to do the thing your self. Be self sufficient and self help these two things will make us happy This is the way for liberation 7. Care for others and share love, compassion and good feelings towards all Actress Merry Streep experienced happiness in taking care of her ninety one year old father. When we care for others then almighty God will take our care of us and then liberates us from the bondage of this life. This is the result of Karma yoga. God's holiness is expressed in his love therefore divine love is wholeness and to love is to fulfill-to all full-God's law and be right all round in various fields of activities of daily life. 8.If we give love to others then we get back the same quantity of love to us. This is the general rule of this philosophy. Remember that God is love and simultaneously love is God. When we follow this maxim and then it is a path of liberation 9 Share everything you have with others. Our sympathy is converted to love, which will be turned into social service in this modern world. 10 Take care for the elderly parents and relatives in the family My wife Rajan took care of her parents and my parents too. She became very happy and made me happy too. There ought to have a long married life Then we experience real happiness and content in life. Life is our chances of learning love. When both husband and wife worship God there are chances to seek almighty God. When we perform yoga and meditation practices we have opportunity to seek god When we recite mantras of our choice and beliefs we are nearer to God. Gayatri Mantra and Lord Shiva's 'Ohm Namasha Shivaya are the best mantras for me In my opinions such recitations wll surely take me to heaven This is my beliefs. I did long pilgrimages of mostly all religious places of India and hence I think I got a definite ladder to seek almighty God. Contributed by Shankerprasad S Bhatt ------------------------------ PRIOR POSTING Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! I see this just as Sathyanarayanji has put it, the three essentials for Liberation! 1) Human Being 2) Desire for Liberation 3) Association with Great Souls. Being Human, desires arise from feelings of lack, inadequacy, insignificance, trying towards fulfillment or completeness. However, in ignorance, we miss to see that we are already full, adequate and significant just as we are! This leads us to fulfillment through the pursuits of objects of the world thinking they are real. Because they seem real we get attached to them and we suffer. They do seem to offer fleeting pleasures fooling us! This ignorance, however, is due to identification fundamentally with body (no fault of body) as it provides the natural anchor for all functionality of being human, but mistaken as anchor for pleasures through senses and mind resulting in a false sense of " me " , but taken real " me " . At some point the desire for Liberation gets stronger and stronger by noticing that " I am never ever totally fulfilled through pursuits of objects which are limited in themselves in the first place " . This comes also from scriptures, association with Great Souls. This leads one to glimpses of Truth of one's true nature, called The Grace of God. It is Truth Itself that invites such a person toward Liberation from the limitations, from being insignificant. The apparent person accepting this invitation is Grace or Blessings! If seen this way, discrimination(Viveka) arises and subsequently dispassion(Vairagya) towards the objects. Association with Mahapurusha(s), the Great Souls strengthens by Itself but apparently as if by efforts of the person. Truth Itself finds the way to Itself called Self or God Realization, while apparent person seems to be engaged in selfless karmas, Total devotion or Love for the Absolute! Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt ----------------------------- SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSES - This human birth is ONLY for God Realisation; it is not for enjoyment of pleasures; It is not for running away from swadharma; - Single thing - EGO is the real culprit! therefore welcome every opportunity to have EGO crushed! Why are we afraid of 'demands'? How can we give if the other side is not demanding ? No one is inferior or superior. Where does the question of ego arise at all ?IT IS YOU AND YOU ONLY who is responsible for your sorrows . Hence we should pray for destruction of our ego. - the # - Only happen by God's grace - they pave the way for enquiry into Self which leads to realization - First is discrimination between real - unreal - in ignorance, we miss to see that we are already perfect and self- sufficient. - ignorance, is due to identification with body " me - mine " - desire for liberations provides glimpses of Truth; and thru discrimination, dispassion arises - Truth Itself finds the way to Itself while engaged in selfless service, self-inquiry, devotion and worship of Absolute. - Principles towards final liberation - 1) silence 2) contentment 3) good associations 4) Inquiry into Self! - For attainment of Happiness - 1) Daily Prayer 2) Freedom from hatred 3) Free from Worries 4) Simple Life 5) give More 6) Expect Less 7) Care for others 8) give love 9) care for elders - Only when ego is destroyed God is Realized ------------------------------ GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE - 1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted. 2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible.. 3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Be as concise, to the point, respecting sadhaka's time. 5. Focus on subject at hand only. 6. Do not include links to the other sites. 7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc). 8. Do not personalize message 9. All responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting. 11. Take into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non- sectarian audience. i.e. limit the use to Sanskrit words only. Provide English word bracketed. MODERATOR Ram Ram ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 The three basic essentials for Salvation / Liberation / Benediction: 1) Maanushatuvam, (Human birth) 2) Mumukshathuvam (Desire for Liberation, Salvation, Moksha) and 3) Maha Purusha Samshrayaha (Association of Great Souls) --- Dullabam Triyo. (rare three) Great men are in this forum. Please discuss in SHORT. Jai Sri Krishna Baiya Sathyanarayan ----------------------------- NEW POSTING 1) Maanushatuvam, (Human birth)----Human birth can be obtained but to live up to Humanity is difficult. That is to live with principle of Sri Rama. Forgiveness, sincerity, honesty, Pthiru Vakkiya Paripalanaya, loving, kind hearten, even to treat a squirrel tenderly, respecting one and all, prepared to give away anything for family and others, Sri Rama while going in Durbar, used leave footwear by door step saying to, " You protect my feet but very sorry I have to leave you (Footwear) here " and the same footwear by HIS love ruled the kingdom- The quality called Sowlabiyam. Today human are NO differant from animals. 2) Mumukshathuvam (Desire for Liberation, Salvation, Moksha) --When these qualities gets in to one, the Iccha sakthi (desire) given to humans by GOD focuses towards liberation and not towards world. 3) Maha Purusha Samshrayaha (Association of Great Souls) When the focus towards liberation sets in, the GURU manifests to give one Bodhana. --- Dullabam Triyo. (rare three) but these are rare. Jai Sri Krishna B.Sathyanarayan -------------------------- Joy, Joy, Joy ....... what can be added to what has been written on the subject by the deeply blessed sadhaks on this Forum? the three essentials are self explanatory, real jewels of words are they ............... AH ! AND YET : to hasten the movement towards self realisation, narinder's Guru, who retired from Indian Air force as director Education in 1973( Air Commodore Mohinder Singh ), highlighted three essential Proinciples to be kept in mind . Allow me to share them : - Be aware of the sorrow in this world ( not in the outer world, but his inner world of Thoughts ).... The First Principle is That You are the Co - Creator of your Destiny. Your Destiny, is your own sowing. It is God's writ in accordance with the Law which He is ! ( The Inviolable Law, The Immutable law ! ). Your Destiny , Narinder, is created either by you yourself or God; none else. " the Second Principle ,thus : Concern your self only with your own seeking ! If your mind moves into judging, the Truth that you were seeking will not be able to reach you.. it would be stopped by your mind from entering your Heart and becoming a realisation. " Some how, ( and I call it Krishna's Grace )..... My heart and Mind, both, saw the immense Joy and Beauty of the Second Principle... and accepted it instantly ! Now for the Third Principle ... " The world is your Training Ground.... each incident that happens around you , is something that the Great Guru ( Krishna) has so placed ... in order to make you learn something deep... each incident is designed to take you beyond itself ... " " ..... The ......The world is your Training Ground.... ........ Those, who are nearest and dearest around you are the people, who have been so placed that you may discover your One-ness with Existence ( Realise your own Self ) through interaction with them... ' These three Principles, deeply accepted , and enshrined within the Mind , took the Mind to the door of the Heart within... and the Mind and the Heart Became One ! Love is the highest awakening..... Love is itself the Way... And Krishna is all Love...Krishna is The Guru Of Gurus ! He is the Co-creator of your Destiny, the other( partner) being you.... If these Principles are fully accepted and remembered always ... or revived in remembrance , even when you slip up... your spiritual progress towards Realising the Unity of Life will be greatly helped ! Jai Krishna...................... narinder bhandari ---------------------------- PRIOR POSTING The following three basic essentials for salvation quoted by Sathyanarayanji below appear in the 3rd verse of Vivekachudamani by Sri Aadi Sankara wherein he clearly states that they can happen only by God's Grace ( by Daivanugraham). These three essentials actually pave the way for the enquiry into the Self which ultimately leads to salvation. The first step in that direction according Sankara is the Sadhana Chatustayam: Discrimination between Atma- Anatma (Real and Unreal) etc. in which the last one is Mumukshathvam. B. Vempaty ----------------------------- Hari Om Sadhak Sathyanarainji has indeed brought out nectar from scriptures. Yes ! This human birth is ONLY for God Realisation. It is pity that we are wasting the same on drawing lines of likings and dislikings, you and me, mine and other, here and not there, there and not here etc etc We often see that a human being runs away from challenges which Paramatma invariably sends in the form of sorrows, adversities to each and every human being. If at all we understand that we have not been given this human birth for enjoying pleasures, or for 'pampering' our false egos, or for running away from our 'svadharma' (personal duties based on varna, ashram, gender etc) but for tolerating the HITS to our egos - we shall instantly become peaceful, we shall instantly become 'dutiful' and we shall instantly become 'dharmatma' ! Obstacle- sheer unwillingness to shed false, non existent, baseless, stupidity driven , ignorance generated, EGO ! This one single thing - EGO - has been identified by Scriptures as 'real culprit' !! EGO - means Me Me , Mein Mein , - ever heard sound of goat?- Mine , You are wrong - I am right. Your duty-my right, I like this, I dislike this, He is mine, he is other, MY intellect, My mind, My body, My power, My Right, My respect, My equality - Me and Mine/ Likings and Dislikings. We should therefore welcome every incidence, every person , every thing, every circumstance, every happening - which/who ruthlessly crushes our this ego ! We should pray to God like Kunti did- O God, Please give pleasure to others, but give adversity to me. Let all others' wives be obedient but let my wife be nasty/arguementative with tongue like that of a crow ! . Let all others' hubbies be great but let my hubby be the 'toughest of tough nuts'- ever demanding/ ever quarrelling !!! Let all others' get respect and I should get humiliation/ disrespect/ non attention ! Why are we afraid of 'demands'? Why do we seek 'non demanding' alliance? Is human life given for taking from the world or giving to the world? How can we give if the other side is not demanding ? Are we that insolvents / bankrupts and beggars ? Do we possess nothing to 'give' to others? Hence we should welcome adversity. So that (or by whatever other method,) WE BECOME EGOLESS ! LET US BE EGOLESS ! What kind of ego can a son/daughter exhibit before his/her father or mother? (Everything belongs to them only. Says Swamiji- Even if we make shoes out of our skin for them, we can't repay them because the very skin has been received by us from them only). What kind of ego parents show to their children? ( They are your creations. They can ONLY be as you are! Who was that third party who was involved in their creation? ) What kind of ego can a hubby exhibit before his wife? (She is grihalaxmi - Queen of the home. She is ANNAPURNA , feeder to all. She is 1000 times superior to you. She is almost equal to God in dozens of respects. She is preserver of your very heritage. She is the VERY and the ONLY cause why your 'house' is called 'home' and not hotel/restaurant/inn/ dharamshala / ashram/ math ! ) What kind of ego wife can maintain before her hubby? (He is the shine of her forehead. Glitter of her very bangles. Father of her children. Her very surname? What is that she has but which is hidden from him? ) An employee before employer? (He is master. Giver of what employee needs) An employer before employee? (Employee does Employers' work as well own work. Employer can't do his own work also). No earthly relationship demands maintenance / sustenance of ego ! Mother Nature has given some unique special traits in every creature. No one is inferior or superior. Where does the question of ego arise at all ? No one is perfect. No one is error free. No one is independent. Every one is bound. Every one is suffering. The other person is keeping ego, hence I am keeping ego- most say so !! So if other person goes to hell, you also go !! Why one should look at reciprocation? Rarely a person understands that all sorrows, all pains come to you only for destruction of EGO- and are God sent- and are ONLY and ONLY the fruits of your own Karmas AND YOUR OWN KARMAS ONLY ! No one is causing it - no one, be it your parents or your wife or your hubby or your in laws or your children or your employers. No one is causing it. God also is not causing. IT IS YOU AND YOU ONLY who is responsible for your sorrows . What wife or husband or son or mother is going to do ? Where then the Q of any blame on other arises? Hence we should pray for destruction of our ego. Because when ego gets destroyed, then only God is realised. Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B ----------------------------- Human birth is the first thing for seeking liberation Secondly we have to ry for liberation There are specific steps to be taken.I am printing its specific book review writtent by me The third thing is having satsang with religious persons This Gita Talk is like a Satsang. Am I correct " Thanks to its promoter that we got a chance to discuss very good ideas about liberation Here is my article on review of Swami Jyotiramayanandas book Shankerprasad Bhatt -------------- FOUR GATEKEEPERS AT THE PALACE OF LIBERATION by Swami Jyotiramayanandas In this is explained some spiritual principles required to be cultivated for final liberation of our souls The first principle he explained is about serenity of atmosphere in which we do panacea in addition to serenity of the mind we develop in the process of meditation practice or ritualistic worship. That is why we are directed to keep silence for at least fifteen minutes in a day The second principle is about contentment in life. We cannot be happy without contentment in life. The whole life will be finished after fulfilling various desires of pleasures and enjoyments in life we are directed to control our desires in life The third principle is good association of friends or spiritual people who will perform some spiritual practices together pertaining to recitation of bhajans or doing meditation practices or discussion about any spiritual subject. It also includes social work for the needy people The fourth principle is very important it pertains to understand or soul and body too. Take care of the body, hear its story and take care of it and Go deep into our hearts and try to understand' who may I? Read Atman Boddha written by Adi Sri Shankeracharya. This will enlighten us and take us to the righteous path of liberation of the soul. ------------ Main points on how we can be happy in human life and finally go to God for final manifestation. 1. The first thing to be happy is to offer consistent prayers every day if you wish to be happy in human life If you wish to study about prayers, how they are to be offered you may read my book namely 'Prayers of all Religions of the world ' 2. Free your heart from hatred toward others 3 Free your mind from worries How to avoid worries. 4 Live simple life with contentment in life 5. Give more to down trodden people by way of food and clothing 6. Expect less from others If you expect and of it is not available then you are unhappy Try to do the thing your self. Be self sufficient and self help these two things will make us happy This is the way for liberation 7. Care for others and share love, compassion and good feelings towards all Actress Merry Streep experienced happiness in taking care of her ninety one year old father. When we care for others then almighty God will take our care of us and then liberates us from the bondage of this life. This is the result of Karma yoga. God's holiness is expressed in his love therefore divine love is wholeness and to love is to fulfill-to all full-God's law and be right all round in various fields of activities of daily life. 8.If we give love to others then we get back the same quantity of love to us. This is the general rule of this philosophy. Remember that God is love and simultaneously love is God. When we follow this maxim and then it is a path of liberation 9 Share everything you have with others. Our sympathy is converted to love, which will be turned into social service in this modern world. 10 Take care for the elderly parents and relatives in the family My wife Rajan took care of her parents and my parents too. She became very happy and made me happy too. There ought to have a long married life Then we experience real happiness and content in life. Life is our chances of learning love. When both husband and wife worship God there are chances to seek almighty God. When we perform yoga and meditation practices we have opportunity to seek god When we recite mantras of our choice and beliefs we are nearer to God. Gayatri Mantra and Lord Shiva's 'Ohm Namasha Shivaya are the best mantras for me In my opinions such recitations wll surely take me to heaven This is my beliefs. I did long pilgrimages of mostly all religious places of India and hence I think I got a definite ladder to seek almighty God. Contributed by Shankerprasad S Bhatt ------------------------------ PRIOR POSTING Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! I see this just as Sathyanarayanji has put it, the three essentials for Liberation! 1) Human Being 2) Desire for Liberation 3) Association with Great Souls. Being Human, desires arise from feelings of lack, inadequacy, insignificance, trying towards fulfillment or completeness. However, in ignorance, we miss to see that we are already full, adequate and significant just as we are! This leads us to fulfillment through the pursuits of objects of the world thinking they are real. Because they seem real we get attached to them and we suffer. They do seem to offer fleeting pleasures fooling us! This ignorance, however, is due to identification fundamentally with body (no fault of body) as it provides the natural anchor for all functionality of being human, but mistaken as anchor for pleasures through senses and mind resulting in a false sense of " me " , but taken real " me " . At some point the desire for Liberation gets stronger and stronger by noticing that " I am never ever totally fulfilled through pursuits of objects which are limited in themselves in the first place " . This comes also from scriptures, association with Great Souls. This leads one to glimpses of Truth of one's true nature, called The Grace of God. It is Truth Itself that invites such a person toward Liberation from the limitations, from being insignificant. The apparent person accepting this invitation is Grace or Blessings! If seen this way, discrimination(Viveka) arises and subsequently dispassion(Vairagya) towards the objects. Association with Mahapurusha(s), the Great Souls strengthens by Itself but apparently as if by efforts of the person. Truth Itself finds the way to Itself called Self or God Realization, while apparent person seems to be engaged in selfless karmas, Total devotion or Love for the Absolute! Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt ----------------------------- SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSES - This human birth is ONLY for God Realisation; it is not for enjoyment of pleasures; It is not for running away from swadharma; - Single thing - EGO is the real culprit! therefore welcome every opportunity to have EGO crushed! Why are we afraid of 'demands'? How can we give if the other side is not demanding ? No one is inferior or superior. Where does the question of ego arise at all ?IT IS YOU AND YOU ONLY who is responsible for your sorrows . Hence we should pray for destruction of our ego. - the # - Only happen by God's grace - they pave the way for enquiry into Self which leads to realization - First is discrimination between real - unreal - in ignorance, we miss to see that we are already perfect and self- sufficient. - ignorance, is due to identification with body " me - mine " - desire for liberations provides glimpses of Truth; and thru discrimination, dispassion arises - Truth Itself finds the way to Itself while engaged in selfless service, self-inquiry, devotion and worship of Absolute. - Principles towards final liberation - 1) silence 2) contentment 3) good associations 4) Inquiry into Self! - For attainment of Happiness - 1) Daily Prayer 2) Freedom from hatred 3) Free from Worries 4) Simple Life 5) give More 6) Expect Less 7) Care for others 8) give love 9) care for elders - Only when ego is destroyed God is Realized - Mumukshathuvam - Focus towards God/Liberation, not the world. ------------------------------ GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE - 1. 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Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Shree Hari Ram Ram Cleaning Old Pending Queue. This brings CLOSURE TO THIS TOPIC. Thank you all for participating. Please do not respond. Ram Ram ---------The three basic essentials for Salvation / Liberation / Benediction: 1) Maanushatuvam, (Human birth) 2) Mumukshathuvam (Desire for Liberation, Salvation, Moksha) and 3) Maha Purusha Samshrayaha (Association of Great Souls) --- Dullabam Triyo. (rare three) Great men are in this forum. Please discuss in SHORT. Jai Sri Krishna Baiya Sathyanarayan ----------------------------- NEW POSTINGHari Om Sadhak Bhandariji has indeed summarised 3 golden principles- 1. World indeed is training ground and all around you, the things as well as people, invariably direct you towards Paramatma by categorically exhibiting to you - We are not "yours", We are not"yours", if you seek pleasure from us. Give pleasure to us , please don't seek pleasure from us. Some one else is "yours" not us ! 2- Seeking reciprocation is direct invitation to sorrows and 3-You only are responsible for your sorrows and no one else ! NO ONE ELSE including Paramatma. One must realise these facts , one must never forget these cardinal principles while being a "HUMAN" !! Coming to second Jewel of Sadhak Sathyanarainji - Mumukshvatam ! Mumuksha is DESIRE for the Ultimate. For God ! Oh - the entire humanity is running to seek worldly pleasures ! DESIRES are only seen/employed with reference to the world. It is as stupid, as mindless and as non sensical as one is hungry and trying to seek fulfillment by watching food spread on a movie screen. It is as good as one reading only a menu of a five star hotel to quench hunger !! Why don't we understand that DESIRE , alone DESIRE can ONLY ONLY get you God and nothing else? Is your thirst quenched by drinking water in a dream? Desire alone can never get you worldly things/pleasures ! NEVER ! It can only get you GOD !! Any takers ? Now that desire when you employ for worldly things/pleasures CAN ONLY ONLY get you sorrows! Nothing else, I repeat, except sorrows. But who understands? Says Swamiji- "KAUN KISE SAMJHAYE JAB KUE BHAANG PADI" - who can explain whom, when marijuana (intoxicant) is mixed in the very well (water source) from which we drink water? People are running blindly to fulfill their worldly desires. It is only the people doing SATSANGA ( association with people practicing spirituality, Saints, sadhaks etc) , who really understand how futile the exercise it. Desire for worldly things gives you sorrows right from beginning till end. Never NEVER it ceases to give you sorrows, till it is renounced. IT IS A LAW- Dear Sadhaks, law. When arising, when continuing, when fulfilled and when not not fulfilled , in all the 4 possible scenarios / stages , THERE IS ONLY SORROW !Says Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj , quite often: CHAAH MITI, CHINTA MITI, MANWAA BEPARWAAH ! JISKO KUCHH NAHIN CHAAHIYE, WOH SHAHAN PATI SHAH !! When desire is gone, worry is gone and mind becomes worriless/carefree ! One who does not need any thing (desires nothing from the world ) only he is the King of all the Kings ! Mumuksha ( desire for God) also is valid and essential only to a point in God-Realisation. Finally, you have to renounce that also, just as at the door step of temple, you renounce footwear! Total Desireless-ness !! Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B------------------------------Dear Sadak,B. Vempatyji is right. But how Deivaanugrah comes? Every Karma it is paid. Do Dana get Boga Lok. Work to earn money. Even to wash one has to lift hands towards face with water.You walk distance covered. But for Pooja, Bajan, Meditation, Sat Sangh etc are also karmas for which we get Deiva Anugraha. So one has to do that.Jai Sri KrishnaB.SathyanarayanPRIOR POSTING 1) Maanushatuvam, (Human birth)----Human birth can be obtained but to live up to Humanity is difficult. That is to live with principle of Sri Rama. Forgiveness, sincerity, honesty, Pthiru Vakkiya Paripalanaya, loving, kind hearten, even to treat a squirrel tenderly, respecting one and all, prepared to give away anything for family and others, Sri Rama while going in Durbar, used leave footwear by door step saying to, "You protect my feet but very sorry I have to leave you (Footwear) here" and the same footwear by HIS love ruled the kingdom- The quality called Sowlabiyam. Today human are NO differant from animals. 2) Mumukshathuvam (Desire for Liberation, Salvation, Moksha) --When these qualities gets in to one, the Iccha sakthi (desire) given to humans by GOD focuses towards liberation and not towards world. 3) Maha Purusha Samshrayaha (Association of Great Souls) When the focus towards liberation sets in, the GURU manifests to give one Bodhana. --- Dullabam Triyo. (rare three) but these are rare. Jai Sri Krishna B.Sathyanarayan -------------------------- Joy, Joy, Joy ....... what can be added to what has been written on the subject by the deeply blessed sadhaks on this Forum? the three essentials are self explanatory, real jewels of words are they ............... AH ! AND YET : to hasten the movement towards self realisation, narinder's Guru, who retired from Indian Air force as director Education in 1973( Air Commodore Mohinder Singh ), highlighted three essential Proinciples to be kept in mind . Allow me to share them : - Be aware of the sorrow in this world ( not in the outer world, but his inner world of Thoughts ).... The First Principle is That You are the Co - Creator of your Destiny. Your Destiny, is your own sowing. It is God's writ in accordance with the Law which He is ! ( The Inviolable Law, The Immutable law ! ). Your Destiny , Narinder, is created either by you yourself or God; none else." the Second Principle ,thus : Concern your self only with your own seeking ! If your mind moves into judging, the Truth that you were seeking will not be able to reach you.. it would be stopped by your mind from entering your Heart and becoming a realisation." Some how, ( and I call it Krishna's Grace )..... My heart and Mind, both, saw the immense Joy and Beauty of the Second Principle... and accepted it instantly ! Now for the Third Principle ... " The world is your Training Ground.... each incident that happens around you , is something that the Great Guru ( Krishna) has so placed ... in order to make you learn something deep... each incident is designed to take you beyond itself ..." "..... The ......The world is your Training Ground.... ........ Those, who are nearest and dearest around you are the people, who have been so placed that you may discover your One-ness with Existence ( Realise your own Self ) through interaction with them... ' These three Principles, deeply accepted , and enshrined within the Mind , took the Mind to the door of the Heart within... and the Mind and the Heart Became One ! Love is the highest awakening..... Love is itself the Way... And Krishna is all Love...Krishna is The Guru Of Gurus ! He is the Co-creator of your Destiny, the other( partner) being you.... If these Principles are fully accepted and remembered always ... or revived in remembrance , even when you slip up... your spiritual progress towards Realising the Unity of Life will be greatly helped ! Jai Krishna...................... narinder bhandari ---------------------------- PRIOR POSTING The following three basic essentials for salvation quoted by Sathyanarayanji below appear in the 3rd verse of Vivekachudamani by Sri Aadi Sankara wherein he clearly states that they can happen only by God's Grace ( by Daivanugraham). These three essentials actually pave the way for the enquiry into the Self which ultimately leads to salvation. The first step in that direction according Sankara is the Sadhana Chatustayam: Discrimination between Atma- Anatma (Real and Unreal) etc. in which the last one is Mumukshathvam. B. Vempaty ----------------------------- Hari Om Sadhak Sathyanarainji has indeed brought out nectar from scriptures. Yes ! This human birth is ONLY for God Realisation. It is pity that we are wasting the same on drawing lines of likings and dislikings, you and me, mine and other, here and not there, there and not here etc etc We often see that a human being runs away from challenges which Paramatma invariably sends in the form of sorrows, adversities to each and every human being. If at all we understand that we have not been given this human birth for enjoying pleasures, or for 'pampering' our false egos, or for running away from our 'svadharma' (personal duties based on varna, ashram, gender etc) but for tolerating the HITS to our egos - we shall instantly become peaceful, we shall instantly become 'dutiful' and we shall instantly become 'dharmatma' ! Obstacle- sheer unwillingness to shed false, non existent, baseless, stupidity driven , ignorance generated, EGO ! This one single thing - EGO - has been identified by Scriptures as 'real culprit' !! EGO - means Me Me , Mein Mein , - ever heard sound of goat?- Mine , You are wrong - I am right. Your duty-my right, I like this, I dislike this, He is mine, he is other, MY intellect, My mind, My body, My power, My Right, My respect, My equality - Me and Mine/ Likings and Dislikings. We should therefore welcome every incidence, every person , every thing, every circumstance, every happening - which/who ruthlessly crushes our this ego ! We should pray to God like Kunti did- O God, Please give pleasure to others, but give adversity to me. Let all others' wives be obedient but let my wife be nasty/arguementative with tongue like that of a crow ! . Let all others' hubbies be great but let my hubby be the 'toughest of tough nuts'- ever demanding/ ever quarrelling !!! Let all others' get respect and I should get humiliation/ disrespect/ non attention ! Why are we afraid of 'demands'? Why do we seek 'non demanding' alliance? Is human life given for taking from the world or giving to the world? How can we give if the other side is not demanding ? Are we that insolvents / bankrupts and beggars ? Do we possess nothing to 'give' to others? Hence we should welcome adversity. So that (or by whatever other method,) WE BECOME EGOLESS ! LET US BE EGOLESS ! What kind of ego can a son/daughter exhibit before his/her father or mother? (Everything belongs to them only. Says Swamiji- Even if we make shoes out of our skin for them, we can't repay them because the very skin has been received by us from them only). What kind of ego parents show to their children? ( They are your creations. They can ONLY be as you are! Who was that third party who was involved in their creation? ) What kind of ego can a hubby exhibit before his wife? (She is grihalaxmi - Queen of the home. She is ANNAPURNA , feeder to all. She is 1000 times superior to you. She is almost equal to God in dozens of respects. She is preserver of your very heritage. She is the VERY and the ONLY cause why your 'house' is called 'home' and not hotel/restaurant/inn/ dharamshala / ashram/ math ! ) What kind of ego wife can maintain before her hubby? (He is the shine of her forehead. Glitter of her very bangles. Father of her children. Her very surname? What is that she has but which is hidden from him? ) An employee before employer? (He is master. Giver of what employee needs) An employer before employee? (Employee does Employers' work as well own work. Employer can't do his own work also). No earthly relationship demands maintenance / sustenance of ego ! Mother Nature has given some unique special traits in every creature. No one is inferior or superior. Where does the question of ego arise at all ? No one is perfect. No one is error free. No one is independent. Every one is bound. Every one is suffering. The other person is keeping ego, hence I am keeping ego- most say so !! So if other person goes to hell, you also go !! Why one should look at reciprocation? Rarely a person understands that all sorrows, all pains come to you only for destruction of EGO- and are God sent- and are ONLY and ONLY the fruits of your own Karmas AND YOUR OWN KARMAS ONLY ! No one is causing it - no one, be it your parents or your wife or your hubby or your in laws or your children or your employers. No one is causing it. God also is not causing. IT IS YOU AND YOU ONLY who is responsible for your sorrows . What wife or husband or son or mother is going to do ? Where then the Q of any blame on other arises? Hence we should pray for destruction of our ego. Because when ego gets destroyed, then only God is realised. Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B ----------------------------- Human birth is the first thing for seeking liberation Secondly we have to ry for liberation There are specific steps to be taken.I am printing its specific book review writtent by me The third thing is having satsang with religious persons This Gita Talk is like a Satsang. Am I correct " Thanks to its promoter that we got a chance to discuss very good ideas about liberation Here is my article on review of Swami Jyotiramayanandas book Shankerprasad Bhatt -------------- FOUR GATEKEEPERS AT THE PALACE OF LIBERATION by Swami Jyotiramayanandas In this is explained some spiritual principles required to be cultivated for final liberation of our souls The first principle he explained is about serenity of atmosphere in which we do panacea in addition to serenity of the mind we develop in the process of meditation practice or ritualistic worship. That is why we are directed to keep silence for at least fifteen minutes in a day The second principle is about contentment in life. We cannot be happy without contentment in life. The whole life will be finished after fulfilling various desires of pleasures and enjoyments in life we are directed to control our desires in life The third principle is good association of friends or spiritual people who will perform some spiritual practices together pertaining to recitation of bhajans or doing meditation practices or discussion about any spiritual subject. It also includes social work for the needy people The fourth principle is very important it pertains to understand or soul and body too. Take care of the body, hear its story and take care of it and Go deep into our hearts and try to understand' who may I? Read Atman Boddha written by Adi Sri Shankeracharya. This will enlighten us and take us to the righteous path of liberation of the soul. ------------ Main points on how we can be happy in human life and finally go to God for final manifestation. 1. The first thing to be happy is to offer consistent prayers every day if you wish to be happy in human life If you wish to study about prayers, how they are to be offered you may read my book namely 'Prayers of all Religions of the world ' 2. Free your heart from hatred toward others 3 Free your mind from worries How to avoid worries. 4 Live simple life with contentment in life 5. Give more to down trodden people by way of food and clothing 6. Expect less from others If you expect and of it is not available then you are unhappy Try to do the thing your self. Be self sufficient and self help these two things will make us happy This is the way for liberation 7. Care for others and share love, compassion and good feelings towards all Actress Merry Streep experienced happiness in taking care of her ninety one year old father. When we care for others then almighty God will take our care of us and then liberates us from the bondage of this life. This is the result of Karma yoga. God's holiness is expressed in his love therefore divine love is wholeness and to love is to fulfill-to all full-God's law and be right all round in various fields of activities of daily life. 8.If we give love to others then we get back the same quantity of love to us. This is the general rule of this philosophy. Remember that God is love and simultaneously love is God. When we follow this maxim and then it is a path of liberation 9 Share everything you have with others. Our sympathy is converted to love, which will be turned into social service in this modern world. 10 Take care for the elderly parents and relatives in the family My wife Rajan took care of her parents and my parents too. She became very happy and made me happy too. There ought to have a long married life Then we experience real happiness and content in life. Life is our chances of learning love. When both husband and wife worship God there are chances to seek almighty God. When we perform yoga and meditation practices we have opportunity to seek god When we recite mantras of our choice and beliefs we are nearer to God. Gayatri Mantra and Lord Shiva's 'Ohm Namasha Shivaya are the best mantras for me In my opinions such recitations wll surely take me to heaven This is my beliefs. I did long pilgrimages of mostly all religious places of India and hence I think I got a definite ladder to seek almighty God. Contributed by Shankerprasad S Bhatt ------------------------------ PRIOR POSTING Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! I see this just as Sathyanarayanji has put it, the three essentials for Liberation! 1) Human Being 2) Desire for Liberation 3) Association with Great Souls. Being Human, desires arise from feelings of lack, inadequacy, insignificance, trying towards fulfillment or completeness. However, in ignorance, we miss to see that we are already full, adequate and significant just as we are! This leads us to fulfillment through the pursuits of objects of the world thinking they are real. Because they seem real we get attached to them and we suffer. They do seem to offer fleeting pleasures fooling us! This ignorance, however, is due to identification fundamentally with body (no fault of body) as it provides the natural anchor for all functionality of being human, but mistaken as anchor for pleasures through senses and mind resulting in a false sense of "me", but taken real "me". At some point the desire for Liberation gets stronger and stronger by noticing that "I am never ever totally fulfilled through pursuits of objects which are limited in themselves in the first place". This comes also from scriptures, association with Great Souls. This leads one to glimpses of Truth of one's true nature, called The Grace of God. It is Truth Itself that invites such a person toward Liberation from the limitations, from being insignificant. The apparent person accepting this invitation is Grace or Blessings! If seen this way, discrimination(Viveka) arises and subsequently dispassion(Vairagya) towards the objects. Association with Mahapurusha(s), the Great Souls strengthens by Itself but apparently as if by efforts of the person. Truth Itself finds the way to Itself called Self or God Realization, while apparent person seems to be engaged in selfless karmas, Total devotion or Love for the Absolute! Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt ----------------------------- SUMMARY OF SADHAK RESPONSES - This human birth is ONLY for God Realisation; it is not for enjoyment of pleasures; It is not for running away from swadharma; - Single thing - EGO is the real culprit! therefore welcome every opportunity to have EGO crushed! Why are we afraid of 'demands'? How can we give if the other side is not demanding ? No one is inferior or superior. Where does the question of ego arise at all ?IT IS YOU AND YOU ONLY who is responsible for your sorrows . Hence we should pray for destruction of our ego. - the # - Only happen by God's grace - they pave the way for enquiry into Self which leads to realization - First is discrimination between real - unreal - in ignorance, we miss to see that we are already perfect and self- sufficient. - ignorance, is due to identification with body "me - mine" - desire for liberations provides glimpses of Truth; and thru discrimination, dispassion arises - Truth Itself finds the way to Itself while engaged in selfless service, self-inquiry, devotion and worship of Absolute. - Principles towards final liberation - 1) silence 2) contentment 3) good associations 4) Inquiry into Self! - For attainment of Happiness - 1) Daily Prayer 2) Freedom from hatred 3) Free from Worries 4) Simple Life 5) give More 6) Expect Less 7) Care for others 8) give love 9) care for elders - Only when ego is destroyed God is Realized - Mumukshathuvam - Focus towards God/Liberation, not the world. ------------------------------ GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE - 1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted. 2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible.. 3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Be as concise, to the point, respecting sadhaka's time. 5. Focus on subject at hand only. 6. Do not include links to the other sites. 7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc). 8. Do not personalize message 9. All responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting. 11. Take into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non- sectarian audience. i.e. limit the use to Sanskrit words only. Provide English word bracketed. MODERATOR Ram Ram ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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