Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 || Shree Hari || Ram Ram II 2:18 II antavanta ime dehaa, nityasyoktaah saririnah anaashino 'prameyasya, tasmaad yudhyasva bhaarata " These bodies of the Indweller (soul) who is eternal, indestructible and immeasurable, are said to have an end. Fight, therefore O' Bharata (Arjuna). " Comment - In the previous verse, Lord Krishna stated that shariri (soul) is indestructible, He declares now that all bodies are destructible, and are destined to die. The essence of this is that body that is received and that later departs from us, is not our true Self. The body is an instrument for performing actions only. Its use is to only be of service to others. The body is of no use, even the slightest bit for the Self. For it's self, the body does not have even the slightest bit of use. In other words, with the destruction of the body there is no loss to the Self. From Gita Prabodhani in Hindi pg. 30 by Swami Ramsukhdasji --------------------------- Chapter 2, Verse 18 is as follows; AntavantaH = having an end Ime = these DehaaH = bodies Nityasya = of the everlasting UktaaH = are said ShareeriNaH = of the Embodied One / the Indweller / the Self AnaashinaH = of the indestructible Aprameyasya = of the immeasurable Tasmaat = therefore Yudhyasva = fight Bhaarat = O Arjuna! O descendent of the King Bharat (after whom, the nation is labeled as `Bhaarata-Varsha')! English translation:- These bodies, of the Embodied One - the Indweller - the Self; which is eternal, indestructible and immeasurable, are said to have a finite end. O Arjuna, therefore, you ought to fight. `Shareeri' means `the Self' residing in a physical body of a living being. It has to be conceptualised as it is not known by the ordinary means of knowledge so far at our disposal. The instruments of cognition, whether they may be sense organs or the mind or the intellect are in themselves inert in nature and can possibly have their knowledge of perception only when they are dynamised by the Pure Consciousness, the true Spark-of-Life in every human being. In the verse 7 in chapter 7 in Shreemad Bhagawad Geeta, Lord Krishna has proclaimed, " There is nothing higher than Me, O Arjuna! All this is strung on Me as rows of gems on a common thread. " Lord Krishna, being a personification of the Brahman, holds the entire Universe together like a string holds rows of gems in a necklace. The Brahman extends everything, every being and everywhere. There exists the Brahman, the infinite reservoir of energy in every nook and corner of the entire Universe. In this mortal world a child is born, he flourishes with the help of the Mother Nature, he undergoes transformation into an adult, he enjoys the various acquisitions in his life and ultimately his body ceases to function due to his old age and afflictions of various terminal diseases. When the `Chetana', the enlivening principle departs from a physical body, we declare the person to be dead. But that enlivening principle, the Aatman itself does not perish when human bodies perish. The Aatman is eternal in terms of the variable of time. The Aatman is immeasurable in terms of the variable of space. The Aatman is indestructible in terms of variable of causation. In Calculus, we study the rate of change of one variable with respect to another variable and express it as `dy/dx' where a small change in variable `y' is measured with respect to a small change in variable `x'. Without this unique tool, it is impossible to imagine the progress of mankind in various branches of knowledge in this world. However, in the case of the `Aatman' or the `Brahman' it is not possible to find any changes in them with respect to any variable that we can imagine so far. Therefore, by logical deduction, the `Aatman' the subset of the superset the `Brahman' is everlasting, all-pervading and imperishable. The analogy of the electricity has a striking similarity. Every electric bulb has a finite beginning and a finite end. When the filament in an electric bulb snaps due to excessive heat, the bulb ceases to function as the electric circuit cannot be completed any longer. When such electric bulbs are destroyed, the enlivening principle that is the electricity in this case, does not get destroyed. It remains intact without any loss. With his staggering intellect, Lord Krishna offers a quick snap shot of the true picture of life to Arjuna. He succinctly illustrates the perishable nature of the human bodies in the backdrop of the incomprehensible, immeasurable, immutable, imperishable and everlasting `Aatman' that continues its eternal journey forever. " O Arjuna! O descendent of King Bharata! As you have been equipped with this finer understanding of the `Aatman', now how can you have any grief? Being a true warrior, it is your obligatory duty to fight a righteous war " thus Lord Krishna extorts Arjuna to fight the epic battle. " Vinaashaaya Cha Dushkrutaam " i.e. the sacred advice of active resistance and eventual defeat of all the wicked, evil and unrighteous elements; is the foundation of Shreemad Bhagawad Geeta. Thanks & Best Regards, Shrikant Joshi. =============================================================== OTHER SADHAKS Hari Bol As Shri Shrikantji Joshi pointed out, Gita 2:16, 17, 18 convey immense significance. These shlokas are amongst the most discussed in Bhagavad Gita. Please allow me to add a few notes to Shri Joshi's lucid explanation and commentary. Unless we are constantly aware of the truths in these shlokas, any kind of endeavor on our part will result in the perpetuation of ignorance and its result: bondage. Nor are these abstractions to merely accept intellectually. They must be lived; and until they can be fully demonstrated in our life we must at least keep striving to bring our conscious thoughts and deeds into conformity with them. Bhagavan Krishna is telling Arjuna to fight–to act as though the world were real. Why? Because all our experience is a training film in the school of consciousness. By watching it and interacting with it we come to experience its substantial reality, but we also come to understand its meaning. For every particle of matter has a purpose and is a message from the Eternal for us to read. Bhagavan Krishna is instructing Arjuna in the attitude, the perspective, needed to live life meaningfully. Arjuna wants to turn away from the battlefield, to avoid doing what he considers to be a terrible wrong, but Bhagavan holds him and warns him against such a mistaken course of action, because to do so is to fail in learning the purpose of the situation. To leave the battle would be to deny the unreality of external appearance and to deny the reality of the inner spirit. For us practically this verse carries great and freeing insight. For example, we need not brood over our faults or be elated over our virtues since they have never really come into being! Neither should we be displeased at misfortune or pleased at good fortune, for they have never happened. Rather, the pictures of these things are being shown to us for our development and education leading to our mastery of them. (Swami Nirmalananda). SankarAcArya summarised this shloka as followd: '...Therefore, the unreality of entities like the body, and all duality, with its cause, is shown by the statement " na vidyate bhAvaH. " Similarly, the cognition of the real Atman is never absent. As we have already observed, this is constant everywhere. Thus, those who see the Truth (tattva) see the ultimate truth of both the real and the unreal, the Atman and the anAtman - the real is always real and the unreal is always unreal. " tat " is the name of the " all " that is brahman. " tat " being the name of brahman, the nature of brahman is " tat-tva. " Those who are fit to directly perceive this (nature of brahman) are the seers (tattva- darSis). You too (O Arjuna), endure Soka (grief) and moha (delusion), and take the perspective of the seers - unstable dualities like cold- heat etc. are simply transformations, ultimately unreal, and appear falsely, like water in a mirage. The opinion (of Krishna) is, " Setting your mind upon this conclusion, titikshasva (endure cold, heat etc) " .......' But, while things maybe unreal in the gross world, we should not say the world is unreal and dismiss it. For example, a sign saying 'Danger' is not danger, but it indicates danger. Words, figures, and lines on paper are not anything " real, " but their import is very real. The word " fire " is not fire, yet when someone yells it we should get moving. In the same way, the world around us may not be ultimately real, but its message can lead us to the perception of the Reality behind it all and which is its Source. Hari Om, Krishna S. Narinedath ------------------------------- -Shree Hari- See paste: '6. The Brahman does not have a specific purpose to achieve and therefore even in the absence of any purpose; it continues to pervade the entire Universe.' My thought is, where lies the creative drive and intellect of creation, for that must be as unborn as The Brahman. With Respect and Divine Love, Mike (Keenor). Hari Bol With reference to 2:17 - In Svetasvatara Upanisad, the soul is described as one ten- thousandth part of the upper portion of the hair point in size. balagra-sata-bhagasya satadha kalpitasya ca bhago jivah sa vijneyah sa canantyaya kalpate " When the upper point of a hair is divided into one hundred parts and again each of such parts is further divided into one hundred parts, each such part is the measurement of the dimension of the spirit soul. " And, in the Bhagavatam the same version is stated: kesagra-sata-bhagasya satamsah sadrsatmakah jivah suksma-svarupo 'yam sankhyatito hi cit-kanah " There are innumerable particles of spiritual atoms, which are measured as one ten-thousandth of the upper portion of the hair. " In the Mundaka Upanisad the measurement of the atomic spirit soul is further explained: eso 'nur atma cetasa veditavyo yasmin pranah pancadha samvivesa pranais cittam sarvam otam prajanam yasmin visuddhe vibhavaty esa atma The soul is atomic in size and can be perceived by perfect intelligence. This atomic soul is floating in the five kinds of air [prana, apana, vyana, samana and udana], is situated within the heart, and spreads its influence all over the body of the embodied living entities. When the soul is purified from the contamination of the five kinds of material air, its spiritual influence is exhibited. " (Mund. 3.1.9) Hari Om Krishna S. Narinedath ------------------------------- Dear Sir, I am YOGA student and I desire to learn BHAGWAT GEETA and also to memorise entire gita as a whole. In this regard, I need your assistance and guidance. Dr Mohan ----------------------------- Shree Hari Ram Ram ALL SADHAKS, If you are aware of good suggestions of Dr. Mohanji, please email us. Dr. Mohanji, we will compile and send responses in one posting. Ram Ram ------------------------------ || Shree Hari || Ram Ram All Sadhaks can and should contribute as well. Discussion / clarification is encouraged OTHER REQUESTS FROM SADHAKS - Please feel free to take the lead in any of these areas so that all sadhaks may benefit. - Introduction to Chapters (GT MODERATOR FROM SADHAK SANJIVANI) - Chapter Summary - Principles and Laws emanating from it.(N.B. VYAS) - Summary of Chapter from Sadhak Sanjivani " AS IS " - Yes, Epilogue / Important Facts in each verse good to bring out. - Any subtle thoughts / interpretation (MIKE) - In-depth explanation of " Om Tat Saditi Srimadbhagavadgitaasu, Upanishadsu..... " is a very good idea. (GT MODERATOR FROM SADHAK SANJIVANI) From Gita Talk Moderators Ram Ram ----------------------------- Shree Hari Ram Ram We deeply thank Shri Shrikantji Joshi for taking the initiative to support this divine work of daily one verse Bhagavad Gita explanation and Shri Madan Kauraji for the Gita Prabodhani translation Chapter 1 and 2 and to Mrs. K Asani for requesting shloka explanation on a daily basis. From Gita Talk Moderators Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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