Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 || Shree Hari || Ram Ram II 2:20 II na jaayate mriyate va kadaachin, nayam bhutvaa bhavitaa va na bhuyah ajo nityah saasvato 'yam puraano, na hanyate hanyamaane sarire " The Atman is never born nor does It ever die, or having once come into being and ceasing to be, do not take place in It. It is Unborn, eternal, constant and ancient. Even though the body is killed, It (the soul) is not slain. Comment: To be born, seen as having existence, changing, growing big, reducing and getting banished – these six modifications happen in the shareer (body) only and not in shariri (Atman). In Atman, these modifications never happen, will not happen, can never happen. Main modifications are only two, being born and dying. In this verse, it is two times, these modifications are negated -`na jayate mriyate' (neither It is born nor It dies), and `ajo nityah' (Not born, stays for ever). From Gita Prabodhani in Hindi pg. 31 by Swami Ramsukhdasji --------------------------- Chapter 2, Verse 20 is as follows; Na = not Jaayate = is born Mriyate = dies Vaa = or Kadaachit = at any time Na =not Ayam = this (the Self, the Aatman) Bhootvaa = having been Bhavitaa = will be Vaa = or Na = not BhooyaH = any more AjaH = unborn NityaH = eternal ShaashvataH = changeless Ayam = this PuraaNaH = ancient Na = not Hanyate = is killed Hanyamaane = being killed Shareere = in body English translation:- The Aatman is neither born nor does It die. Coming into being and ceasing to exist, does not take place in It. It is unborn, eternal, constant and ancient. It is not killed when the body is slain. To be born, to exist, to be nourished by parents and Mother Nature, to grow, to undergo change, to flourish, to decay and finally to perish – these are various modifications undergone by every physical body of a living being. But the Aatman is unaffected by such changes at all times. This verse has a one to one correspondence with the verse 18, section 2 in chapter 1 of Kathopanishada, during the dialogue between `Yama' i.e. the God of death and `Nachiketa' i.e. a great Yogi belonging to Rakshasa GaNa i.e. demons. Yama was explaining, what happens after death, to Nachiketa. " DehaH Jaayate Asti Vardhate VipariNamate Apaksheeyate Vinashyati " i.e. the following six stages of mutations, a physical body of every living being is subjected to; [1] Jaayate: A living being is born and a distinct and finite physical body appears. [2] Asti: The state of existence of every physical body over a finite period of time. [3] Vardhate: Every physical body is nourished by the parents and Mother Nature. [4] VipariNamate: Every physical body becomes ripe after having passed the states of childhood, adulthood and old age. [5] Apaksheeyate: Every physical body decays. Even every radioactive element found in nature decays. The radioactive decay of carbon-14 is exponential with a half-life of 5,730 years. If you have a quantity of carbon-14, half of it (on average) will have decayed after 5730 years, regardless of how big or small the original quantity was. If you wait another 5730 years, one-quarter of the original will remain. This method helps us to determine life of a fossil found in the Earth. [6] Vinashyati: Every physical body ceases to function. It dies. Whenever the enlivening principle i.e. the Aatman departs a physical body, we term it as the terminal stage i.e. death of a living being. The Aatman does not have those six stages of mutations that a physical body of every living being is subjected to. Therefore the following enumerations; [1] Na Jaayate: The Aatman is never born. [2] Na Bhootvaa: It was never dwelling only in the past. [3] Na Bhavitaa: It will never dwell only in the future. [4] AjayaH NityaH ShaashvataH Ayam PuraaNaH: The Aatman is unborn, eternal, immutable and yet ever green. [5] Na Hanyate Hanyamaane Shareere: Even though the physical body disappears, the Aatman does not vanish. It is present in all periods of time. [6] Na Mriyate: It does not meet with death under any circumstances It is not bound by the limitations of space, time and causations. A human body is prone to changes namely birth, existence, growth, decay, disease and death and these changes are the sources of sorrows in every embodiment. These changes are common womb of all pains in every living being on the planet Earth. However, the Self is never subjected to these symptoms of mutability. Unlike a physical body of a living being, the Self is not born. Being Eternal in nature, It exists at all times. Waves are born and they die away when they disappear. But the ocean is not born with the waves nor does it die away when waves disappear. Unlike a physical body, the Aatman does not have a birth or a death. Evolution and change are the attributes of a trio of physical body, the mind and the intellect; but not of the Self as It is always in the perfect status and therefore does not need any change or process of evolution. While indicating that the Aatman is beyond the limitations of words in any language, Lord Krishna offers the first lesson in `Adhyaatma' to Arjuna and asks a counter question, " What is left to grieve over? " In Dynaneshwaree, Santa Dnyaaneshwara has very nicely illustrated this verse, which is as follows; " Whatever that you experience in a dream is true and valid as long as the dream continues. The moment the dream is over, all that you have been experiencing is suddenly interrupted. There is no carry forward phenomenon. This is an illusion and do not become a victim to such plays of `Prakruti' i.e. ever changing nature. If you strike a weapon to a shadow of a human being, will it ever hurt him? There is a reflection of sunrays in a pot full of water, but the reflection suddenly vanishes as soon as the pot is emptied. Does it mean along with the reflection, the Sun has been destroyed? In the same manner, even though there is a decay and demise of a physical body, the ever green enlivening principle, the Aatman is indestructible, immutable. Having understood the true attributes of the Aatman and in turn the Brahman, O Arjuna, please stop grieving first. " Lord Krishna is trying to convince Arjuna that the attributes as illustrated in the following Shloka are not applicable to the Aatman; " Punarapi Jananam Punarapi MaraNam, Punarapi Jananee Jathare Shayanam " i.e. there is once again assuming the status of a fetus in a mother's womb, once again a birth and once again an eventual death. " Thanks & Best Regards, Shrikant Joshi =============================================================== OTHER SADHAKS Dear Sir, I am YOGA student and I desire to learn BHAGWAT GEETA and also to memorise entire gita as a whole. In this regard, I need your assistance and guidance. Dr Mohan ----------------------------- Shree Hari Ram Ram ALL SADHAKS, If you are aware of good suggestions of Dr. Mohanji, please email us. Dr. Mohanji, we will compile and send responses in one posting. Ram Ram ------------------------------ || Shree Hari || Ram Ram All Sadhaks can and should contribute as well. Discussion / clarification is encouraged OTHER REQUESTS FROM SADHAKS - Please feel free to take the lead in any of these areas so that all sadhaks may benefit. - Introduction to Chapters (GT MODERATOR FROM SADHAK SANJIVANI) - Chapter Summary - Principles and Laws emanating from it.(N.B. VYAS) - Summary of Chapter from Sadhak Sanjivani " AS IS " - Yes, Epilogue / Important Facts in each verse good to bring out. - Any subtle thoughts / interpretation (MIKE) - In-depth explanation of " Om Tat Saditi Srimadbhagavadgitaasu, Upanishadsu..... " is a very good idea. (GT MODERATOR FROM SADHAK SANJIVANI) From Gita Talk Moderators Ram Ram ----------------------------- Shree Hari Ram Ram We deeply thank Shri Shrikantji Joshi for taking the initiative to support this divine work of daily one verse Bhagavad Gita explanation and Shri Madan Kauraji for the Gita Prabodhani translation Chapter 1 and 2 and to Mrs. K Asani for requesting shloka explanation on a daily basis. From Gita Talk Moderators Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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