Doubts about Existence of God ... What has happened suddenly?

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respected swamiji..

 

i was a firm believer of God until yesterday.. i had a wish and so i

recited Hanuman Chalisa 100 times yesterday..but immediately after

that i started getting this feeling that does God actually exist? is

there someone who's even listening? i dunno why i started feeling

that way. Since yesterday i have been trying to explain to myself

that yes! God does exist but that feeling just doesn't sink in and

why did it happen just after i recited Hanuman Chalisa. Is there a

connection? I want to believe in God. What has happened to me

suddenly? Pls help..

 

payal

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[Guest guest]

respected swamiji..

 

i was a firm believer of God until yesterday.. i had a wish and so i

recited Hanuman Chalisa 100 times yesterday..but immediately after

that i started getting this feeling that does God actually exist? is

there someone who's even listening? i dunno why i started feeling

that way. Since yesterday i have been trying to explain to myself

that yes! God does exist but that feeling just doesn't sink in and

why did it happen just after i recited Hanuman Chalisa. Is there a

connection? I want to believe in God. What has happened to me

suddenly? Pls help..

 

payal

---------------------------

 

NEW POSTING

 

Hare Krishna

If I am not wrong, you must have recited Hanuman-chalisa, expecting

that God will fulfill your expectations, which didn't happened and

you started thinking like this.

Please be sure that what ever good or bad (according to our

imaginations) happens, is the result of our past deeds. It's the God

who manages not only this world but this entire universe and beyond.

There should not be any doubt in this.

 

Ashok Goenka

------------------------

 

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

After reciting Hanuman Chalisa, the doubt about existence of God

came, right? There was something of a personal wish being asked to

fulfill, right? It is because of such wishes that doubt about its

getting fulfilled naturally arise, because in it there is more of a

desire to get something and whether or not I will get it, is hiding

by asking whether or not God is there, you see. It is trick of the

mind, recognize it as such!

If the belief in God is based on desire, then there is always doubt.

It is two sided coin, ask for one and the other comes, want it or

not. Check all your experiences. It has nothing to do with Hanuman

Chalisa path, please continue even more vigorously.

In the meantime, try to find what God really means. Once you

discover God even if provisionally first, belief in God with desire

to get something other than God will vanish. Then personal desires

will be replaced with requests asking for help acknowledging your

inability to handle it alone will take stronghold in you. That is

when and where doubts will be resolved, and belief will turn into

Trust, Shraddha, and ultimately you will know God!

Namaskar................Pratap Bhatt

 

-----------------------------

 

Dear Sadhak,

When you pray to Lord Sun after taking bath.Look to the Sun and

think that sun is the right eye and moon is the left eye.Offer

prayers to both of them.Then you think of the whole universe as the

body of God Do you believe that god exists everywhere in this

universe. Blood sugar is changes and it is accounted for.Similarly

all our actions are considered by God and we get its results in the

next birth This is the Karma Theory. When you are absorbed in the

recitation in the name of God and His image in your mind,you will

feel His influence on you.When Mirbai was singing songs of Lord

Krishna she was crying and sometimes looses her senses. This is the

feelings of God.The same was the case of Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu

of Bengal. It is a hard task to reach such stages. Have faith in God

who will come to you Read the miracles of God when he helped many

devotees narrated in our Hindu scriptures.

 

My best wishes to you all Sadhaks

 

Truly yours

 

Shanbkerprasad S Bhatt

 

--------------------------

Please get yourself out of this question first?

 

Important is to know our self........first....

and to know whether we exist or not.....

Sushil Jain

----------------------------

What is not God? Everything in this world is his creation. We

ourselves possess souls whose only goal is to unite with Parmatma.

Because we cannot see our soul or the Parmatma, we have doubts. We

cannot wish away the truth. It will take several births for us to

become one with Parmatma. Till then we have to practice sadhna,

sewa, satsang and meditation which will lead us to the right path.

Hari Shanker Deo

-----------------------------

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[Guest guest]

respected swamiji..

 

i was a firm believer of God until yesterday.. i had a wish and so i

recited Hanuman Chalisa 100 times yesterday..but immediately after

that i started getting this feeling that does God actually exist? is

there someone who's even listening? i dunno why i started feeling

that way. Since yesterday i have been trying to explain to myself

that yes! God does exist but that feeling just doesn't sink in and

why did it happen just after i recited Hanuman Chalisa. Is there a

connection? I want to believe in God. What has happened to me

suddenly? Pls help..

 

payal

---------------------------

 

NEW POSTING

 

Hari Om

 

Your trust/faith earlier in the existence of God was weak. Consider

the present state of mind as practical manifestation only of Divine

in you for strengthening your trust in God - BG 7:21.

 

Again your linking with Hanuman Chalisa Path a day earlier, with

what happened to your mind next day- that linking itself shows that

the belief is strengthening !! Remember: The Sun looks exactly the

same to the eyes when it rises or when it sets. Moreover, the belief

in God has always a tendency to strengthen only, by natural laws.

When we are not able to leave easily what is 'unreal/false', how

shall we ever be able to leave that which is 'Real/Truth' ? No body

has ever been able to be 100 percent non-believer !!

 

A surgeon, first gives medicine, to a patient suffering from a boil

so that it may suppurate and then performs an operation, to remove

the diseased part, in the same way God first arouses the hidden

doubts in His devotees and then destroys it .

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

------------------------

 

yes. god is very much present every where. jebamani mohanraj

------------------------

 

dear Sadak,

human body comprises of 3 main concepts. 1) Body 2) Jeevathuma 3)

Paramathuma. There are 10 elements always witnessing, to what ever

done, spoken and thought off They are starting from earth, space,

moon, Sun etc.These karmas are 3 again are Prarabdha, Agami and

Sanchita.. They are unmistakingly recorded and credited to ones

account. By chance of 0.0001% the witness fails in recording,

Paramathuma notes down. How these functions are seperate subject.

In your case of reciting Hanuman Chalisa, THE Paramathuma is

constantly aware of your recital as ANTHERYAMI and sends signals the

doubt about GOD existence or not. This signal is due to you having

in mind that YOU are reciting Hanuman Chalisa- that I-ness. Once I-

ness disappears on continuing your recital, you will have glimpness

of Hanuman with Sri Rama, Mother Seetha and Swamy Lakshuman. But

that stage will completely cut off all your people, world, and

beyond. Sometimes one becomes digambar wandering.

 

Siddhi happens when the I-ness disappears and the mind Buddhi

synchronizes. At this stage food and sleep is not a matter. Such

man's face is illuminated and glowing.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

-----------------------

 

 

The belief that comes and goes.............. is the mind

hallucinating . It is only , when the desire to experience the

unchanging deathless being blossoms in you, that true sadhna begins.

 

to come to know this truth perfectly............... the Knwers of

Truth said, " The only truth that you can be sure of , for it is

your own being that you never can deny, is YOURSELF. Begin,

therfore, with yourself . Forget all beliefs. God exists, or does

not exist. He is worthy of faith, or, God is a myth..... cease to

try to know. That which exists as your Breath, and your

Consciousness, about, which you are always aware .............. call

it God .............. begin your sadhna with that .

 

All answers to your queries will satisfy you but for a short

while ............... till they themselves take the shape of further

doubts. There is no end to the accumulation of intellectual

knowledge, or answers.

 

Better to go to the root question............. who is it that, in

me, is asking the question ? Who ? Who am I ?

 

When the self is known............. all gets known !

 

The unborn, the unchanging, the undying remains ever the deathless.

All else dies.

Seek , therefore, the deathless, thou, who art thyself That !

Seek That, before Death seizes you.

 

AUM

 

narinder bhandari

--------------------------

 

Dear Sadhika Payalji, Namaskar,

 

You got the feeling that God does not exist after reading Hanuman

Chalisa 100 times. This is a triffle thing. This is because you have

not understood the concept of God..

 

God is the supreme power behind the functioning of this Cosmos. It is

an Energy, God has no physical form, no gender. God does not give you

anything nor takes away anything from you. God is not pleased by

worship or prayers and not displeased with you for no worship or no

prayers.

 

Every event of this Cosmos is due to the interaction of the existing

physical forces (Four Fundamental Forces of Nature). God has no

desires or plans connected to anything...God does not behave

according to anybody`s wishes...

 

Then why we experience good effects after pooja, worship, prayer,

good deeds, meditation, concentration etc...because by doing so...our

cells get recharged, our brain gets refreshed, our abilities get

improved and so on...These good acts are needed for the betterment of

your life...so go on doing these acts and get Divine Satisfaction...

 

Gee Waman

---------------------------

It is natural, important and a sign of maturity, however, does it

really matter and how does that affect the way you behave towards

others and yourself?

 

Belief in god is not a virtue, Ravan was a believer and many others

are believers as well. luckily our thinking is not so boxed or

constrained. It is time to celebrate freedom of being and maturity

in responsibility. Hanuman as an archtype of strength and

intelligence has just given you a gift. be wise and respectful

towards it, not resentful. self explaining comes from mind and that

does not affect emotion and feeling which are much deeper parts of

psyche. Your feelings will override mental explanations as being

inconsequential and irrelevant. enjoy the freedom not everyone is so

lucky.

 

If god exists it really is his own business, our buisness is to take

care in our thoughts & actions and participate in awareness, Dhyan.

Ultimately view of direct knowledge of truth is key -

Pratyaksha anumana gama pramanani Yoga sutra 7

 

ravi bakhsi

 

----------------------------

PRIOR POSTING

 

Hare Krishna

If I am not wrong, you must have recited Hanuman-chalisa, expecting

that God will fulfill your expectations, which didn't happened and

you started thinking like this.

Please be sure that what ever good or bad (according to our

imaginations) happens, is the result of our past deeds. It's the God

who manages not only this world but this entire universe and beyond.

There should not be any doubt in this.

 

Ashok Goenka

------------------------

 

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

After reciting Hanuman Chalisa, the doubt about existence of God

came, right? There was something of a personal wish being asked to

fulfill, right? It is because of such wishes that doubt about its

getting fulfilled naturally arise, because in it there is more of a

desire to get something and whether or not I will get it, is hiding

by asking whether or not God is there, you see. It is trick of the

mind, recognize it as such!

If the belief in God is based on desire, then there is always doubt.

It is two sided coin, ask for one and the other comes, want it or

not. Check all your experiences. It has nothing to do with Hanuman

Chalisa path, please continue even more vigorously.

In the meantime, try to find what God really means. Once you

discover God even if provisionally first, belief in God with desire

to get something other than God will vanish. Then personal desires

will be replaced with requests asking for help acknowledging your

inability to handle it alone will take stronghold in you. That is

when and where doubts will be resolved, and belief will turn into

Trust, Shraddha, and ultimately you will know God!

Namaskar................Pratap Bhatt

 

-----------------------------

 

Dear Sadhak,

When you pray to Lord Sun after taking bath.Look to the Sun and

think that sun is the right eye and moon is the left eye.Offer

prayers to both of them.Then you think of the whole universe as the

body of God Do you believe that god exists everywhere in this

universe. Blood sugar is changes and it is accounted for.Similarly

all our actions are considered by God and we get its results in the

next birth This is the Karma Theory. When you are absorbed in the

recitation in the name of God and His image in your mind,you will

feel His influence on you.When Mirbai was singing songs of Lord

Krishna she was crying and sometimes looses her senses. This is the

feelings of God.The same was the case of Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu

of Bengal. It is a hard task to reach such stages. Have faith in God

who will come to you Read the miracles of God when he helped many

devotees narrated in our Hindu scriptures.

 

My best wishes to you all Sadhaks

 

Truly yours

 

Shanbkerprasad S Bhatt

 

--------------------------

Please get yourself out of this question first?

 

Important is to know our self........first....

and to know whether we exist or not.....

Sushil Jain

----------------------------

What is not God? Everything in this world is his creation. We

ourselves possess souls whose only goal is to unite with Parmatma.

Because we cannot see our soul or the Parmatma, we have doubts. We

cannot wish away the truth. It will take several births for us to

become one with Parmatma. Till then we have to practice sadhna,

sewa, satsang and meditation which will lead us to the right path.

Hari Shanker Deo

-----------------------------

-----------------------------

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[Guest guest]

respected swamiji..

 

i was a firm believer of God until yesterday.. i had a wish and so i

recited Hanuman Chalisa 100 times yesterday..but immediately after

that i started getting this feeling that does God actually exist? is

there someone who's even listening? i dunno why i started feeling

that way. Since yesterday i have been trying to explain to myself

that yes! God does exist but that feeling just doesn't sink in and

why did it happen just after i recited Hanuman Chalisa. Is there a

connection? I want to believe in God. What has happened to me

suddenly? Pls help..

 

payal

---------------------------

 

NEW POSTING

 

Dear One (Payal)

 

 

When we spontaneously and continuously engage our mind (by reciting

mantra / Hanuman Chalisa) actually we are giving a role to our mind

and thus we make it busy. While doing so consciously / sub-

consciously our mind drops (or for a while stop interfering with our

real Self.)

 

The real experience is that in the process you are in touch with

your Real Self (God) and becuase of your belief (that Gos is other

than you or a separate entity) you think and felt that If God exists

or not???

 

Only God exists, You are there or not, Just Check.

 

Just share more at feeling levels and try to contemplate and

expereince the change (not at mind level) but at a level of heart.

Don't try to believe in GOD, Expereince IT...Just BE..***

 

Gopikrishan

---------------------------

 

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

I would echo Narinder Bhandariji's and Shushilji's suggestion: Start

with YOURSELF, as it is the highest certainty of being oneself. This

way you start on a solid footing!

 

See that everytime you have a doubt about God, only God is

remembered! You may discover, by His Grace that it is God as

YOURSELF is trying to discover Himself through you. Every such

doubts brings you a little closer to YOURSELF! God has playfully

forgotten HIMSELF/HERSELF in YOURSELF! Now is trying to remember by

asking " Do I exist? "

It is God, who is reciting Hanuman Chalisa as Payal and then asking.

Take this as serious intimation from God, and surrender your claim

of being Payal, the owner of body-mind! That is the only thing you

can surrender as nothing else is yours to surrender! Thus

surrendered, " yourself " vanishes into SELF. Now, not that God exists

but God is the Existence ITSELF, YOURSELF, never apart!

Life is a journey from self to SELF, travelling only zero distance

but how much load we carry in our minds in the names of this and

that!

Finally, as it happened to Arjuna, all boils down to

Nashtomoha smrtirlabdhwa.........karishye vachanam tav ....BG Ch

18:73

I regained my memory and know (who AM I).....now will do what you

say.

Arjuna(GOD) figured it out that all the while it was only God even

as He pretended to be Arjuna in doubts, just as Payal asking and

sadhakas responding ARE!!!

Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt

 

---------------------------

God is not an object that you can acquire. If he were an object all

of us would have reached Him. He is everything. Beyond life and

death. He is all there is. According to me, we don't need to believe

in God. Belief or non belief is at the level of the mind- the ego.

We need to go back to the source of who we think we are. If we think

we know it, it is not true. The eye cannot see itself...

 

Anand S

-------------------------

 

my take on this is that belief is a statement of uncertainity

If you say, i believe my name is payal it really implies that you

are not sure. that is why I say that to believe in god etc is not a

great statement to make in the first place. belief is a tool, use

it and discard it in view of the fact of what it truly is.

ravi bakshi

-----------------------------

 

PRIOR POSTING

 

Hari Om

 

Your trust/faith earlier in the existence of God was weak. Consider

the present state of mind as practical manifestation only of Divine

in you for strengthening your trust in God - BG 7:21.

 

Again your linking with Hanuman Chalisa Path a day earlier, with

what happened to your mind next day- that linking itself shows that

the belief is strengthening !! Remember: The Sun looks exactly the

same to the eyes when it rises or when it sets. Moreover, the belief

in God has always a tendency to strengthen only, by natural laws.

When we are not able to leave easily what is 'unreal/false', how

shall we ever be able to leave that which is 'Real/Truth' ? No body

has ever been able to be 100 percent non-believer !!

 

A surgeon, first gives medicine, to a patient suffering from a boil

so that it may suppurate and then performs an operation, to remove

the diseased part, in the same way God first arouses the hidden

doubts in His devotees and then destroys it .

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

------------------------

 

yes. god is very much present every where. jebamani mohanraj

------------------------

 

dear Sadak,

human body comprises of 3 main concepts. 1) Body 2) Jeevathuma 3)

Paramathuma. There are 10 elements always witnessing, to what ever

done, spoken and thought off They are starting from earth, space,

moon, Sun etc.These karmas are 3 again are Prarabdha, Agami and

Sanchita.. They are unmistakingly recorded and credited to ones

account. By chance of 0.0001% the witness fails in recording,

Paramathuma notes down. How these functions are seperate subject.

In your case of reciting Hanuman Chalisa, THE Paramathuma is

constantly aware of your recital as ANTHERYAMI and sends signals the

doubt about GOD existence or not. This signal is due to you having

in mind that YOU are reciting Hanuman Chalisa- that I-ness. Once I-

ness disappears on continuing your recital, you will have glimpness

of Hanuman with Sri Rama, Mother Seetha and Swamy Lakshuman. But

that stage will completely cut off all your people, world, and

beyond. Sometimes one becomes digambar wandering.

 

Siddhi happens when the I-ness disappears and the mind Buddhi

synchronizes. At this stage food and sleep is not a matter. Such

man's face is illuminated and glowing.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

-----------------------

 

 

The belief that comes and goes.............. is the mind

hallucinating . It is only , when the desire to experience the

unchanging deathless being blossoms in you, that true sadhna begins.

 

to come to know this truth perfectly............... the Knwers of

Truth said, " The only truth that you can be sure of , for it is

your own being that you never can deny, is YOURSELF. Begin,

therfore, with yourself . Forget all beliefs. God exists, or does

not exist. He is worthy of faith, or, God is a myth..... cease to

try to know. That which exists as your Breath, and your

Consciousness, about, which you are always aware .............. call

it God .............. begin your sadhna with that .

 

All answers to your queries will satisfy you but for a short

while ............... till they themselves take the shape of further

doubts. There is no end to the accumulation of intellectual

knowledge, or answers.

 

Better to go to the root question............. who is it that, in

me, is asking the question ? Who ? Who am I ?

 

When the self is known............. all gets known !

 

The unborn, the unchanging, the undying remains ever the deathless.

All else dies.

Seek , therefore, the deathless, thou, who art thyself That !

Seek That, before Death seizes you.

 

AUM

 

narinder bhandari

--------------------------

 

Dear Sadhika Payalji, Namaskar,

 

You got the feeling that God does not exist after reading Hanuman

Chalisa 100 times. This is a triffle thing. This is because you have

not understood the concept of God..

 

God is the supreme power behind the functioning of this Cosmos. It is

an Energy, God has no physical form, no gender. God does not give you

anything nor takes away anything from you. God is not pleased by

worship or prayers and not displeased with you for no worship or no

prayers.

 

Every event of this Cosmos is due to the interaction of the existing

physical forces (Four Fundamental Forces of Nature). God has no

desires or plans connected to anything...God does not behave

according to anybody`s wishes...

 

Then why we experience good effects after pooja, worship, prayer,

good deeds, meditation, concentration etc...because by doing so...our

cells get recharged, our brain gets refreshed, our abilities get

improved and so on...These good acts are needed for the betterment of

your life...so go on doing these acts and get Divine Satisfaction...

 

Gee Waman

---------------------------

It is natural, important and a sign of maturity, however, does it

really matter and how does that affect the way you behave towards

others and yourself?

 

Belief in god is not a virtue, Ravan was a believer and many others

are believers as well. luckily our thinking is not so boxed or

constrained. It is time to celebrate freedom of being and maturity

in responsibility. Hanuman as an archtype of strength and

intelligence has just given you a gift. be wise and respectful

towards it, not resentful. self explaining comes from mind and that

does not affect emotion and feeling which are much deeper parts of

psyche. Your feelings will override mental explanations as being

inconsequential and irrelevant. enjoy the freedom not everyone is so

lucky.

 

If god exists it really is his own business, our buisness is to take

care in our thoughts & actions and participate in awareness, Dhyan.

Ultimately view of direct knowledge of truth is key -

Pratyaksha anumana gama pramanani Yoga sutra 7

 

ravi bakhsi

 

----------------------------

PRIOR POSTING

 

Hare Krishna

If I am not wrong, you must have recited Hanuman-chalisa, expecting

that God will fulfill your expectations, which didn't happened and

you started thinking like this.

Please be sure that what ever good or bad (according to our

imaginations) happens, is the result of our past deeds. It's the God

who manages not only this world but this entire universe and beyond.

There should not be any doubt in this.

 

Ashok Goenka

------------------------

 

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

After reciting Hanuman Chalisa, the doubt about existence of God

came, right? There was something of a personal wish being asked to

fulfill, right? It is because of such wishes that doubt about its

getting fulfilled naturally arise, because in it there is more of a

desire to get something and whether or not I will get it, is hiding

by asking whether or not God is there, you see. It is trick of the

mind, recognize it as such!

If the belief in God is based on desire, then there is always doubt.

It is two sided coin, ask for one and the other comes, want it or

not. Check all your experiences. It has nothing to do with Hanuman

Chalisa path, please continue even more vigorously.

In the meantime, try to find what God really means. Once you

discover God even if provisionally first, belief in God with desire

to get something other than God will vanish. Then personal desires

will be replaced with requests asking for help acknowledging your

inability to handle it alone will take stronghold in you. That is

when and where doubts will be resolved, and belief will turn into

Trust, Shraddha, and ultimately you will know God!

Namaskar................Pratap Bhatt

 

-----------------------------

 

Dear Sadhak,

When you pray to Lord Sun after taking bath.Look to the Sun and

think that sun is the right eye and moon is the left eye.Offer

prayers to both of them.Then you think of the whole universe as the

body of God Do you believe that god exists everywhere in this

universe. Blood sugar is changes and it is accounted for.Similarly

all our actions are considered by God and we get its results in the

next birth This is the Karma Theory. When you are absorbed in the

recitation in the name of God and His image in your mind,you will

feel His influence on you.When Mirbai was singing songs of Lord

Krishna she was crying and sometimes looses her senses. This is the

feelings of God.The same was the case of Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu

of Bengal. It is a hard task to reach such stages. Have faith in God

who will come to you Read the miracles of God when he helped many

devotees narrated in our Hindu scriptures.

 

My best wishes to you all Sadhaks

 

Truly yours

 

Shanbkerprasad S Bhatt

 

--------------------------

Please get yourself out of this question first?

 

Important is to know our self........first....

and to know whether we exist or not.....

Sushil Jain

----------------------------

What is not God? Everything in this world is his creation. We

ourselves possess souls whose only goal is to unite with Parmatma.

Because we cannot see our soul or the Parmatma, we have doubts. We

cannot wish away the truth. It will take several births for us to

become one with Parmatma. Till then we have to practice sadhna,

sewa, satsang and meditation which will lead us to the right path.

Hari Shanker Deo

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respected swamiji..

 

i was a firm believer of God until yesterday.. i had a wish and so i

recited Hanuman Chalisa 100 times yesterday..but immediately after

that i started getting this feeling that does God actually exist? is

there someone who's even listening? i dunno why i started feeling

that way. Since yesterday i have been trying to explain to myself

that yes! God does exist but that feeling just doesn't sink in and

why did it happen just after i recited Hanuman Chalisa. Is there a

connection? I want to believe in God. What has happened to me

suddenly? Pls help..

 

payal

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Dear Sadhika,

God exist or not, is not a matter of " DOUBT " or " NO DOUBT " . He just

IS, whether you believe it or not.

Because of our upbringing we assume that God is out there, but in

reality he is everywhere.

Stop transacting business with God. I recited 100 Hanumaan Chalisa

and my wish should be fulfilled, I offer this much donation to the

temple and I must get this or that in return. Please stop all this.

Now its time to decide what is more important for you-God or the

desire ? If you want to know God, then you have to drop all desires.

Start asking yourself- who am I ? This sutra will take you to God.

God really loves you thats why He created this feeling. Now its upto

you-surrender to Him completely or imprison yourself in the cage of

your thinking mind.

 

with Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Gitaji says -

 

" Bahirantashya bhootaanam charam charmeva cha

Shookshmatvaa tatvijayam doorastham chaatike che tat. " (Gita 13:15)

 

" Got exist without and within all beings and constitutes the moving

and the unmoving creation; because He is subtle; He is

incomprehensible; He is near and also stands afar. "

 

The gist is GOD ALONE EXISTS. We may not be able to recognize God,

due to our own limitations, we may not believe at the moment, but

that is the TRUTH as expressed by Gitaji, scriptures and saints.

 

Therefore for the time being do not worry about doubts or beliefs -

Simply do the following:

Keep vigil at all times - do not think ill off anyone or hurt anyone

with thoughts, words, or deeds.. (including your doubting mind).

Ask God for forgiveness when you experience negligence in this

regard. If you continue to remain alert and ask forgiveness when

there is negligence, then existence of GOD will be realized, says

Swamiji.

 

Meera Das

Ram Ram

 

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Dear Sadaks,

Sri Vyasji said so, " God first arouses the hidden doubts in His

devotees and then destroys it . " It is very apt reply. Human have 2

brains. One works with knowledge of the person and another is a

store of Vasanas and doubts. From here these doubts come.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear One (Payal)

 

 

When we spontaneously and continuously engage our mind (by reciting

mantra / Hanuman Chalisa) actually we are giving a role to our mind

and thus we make it busy. While doing so consciously / sub-

consciously our mind drops (or for a while stop interfering with our

real Self.)

 

The real experience is that in the process you are in touch with

your Real Self (God) and becuase of your belief (that Gos is other

than you or a separate entity) you think and felt that If God exists

or not???

 

Only God exists, You are there or not, Just Check.

 

Just share more at feeling levels and try to contemplate and

expereince the change (not at mind level) but at a level of heart.

Don't try to believe in GOD, Expereince IT...Just BE..***

 

Gopikrishan

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

I would echo Narinder Bhandariji's and Shushilji's suggestion: Start

with YOURSELF, as it is the highest certainty of being oneself. This

way you start on a solid footing!

 

See that everytime you have a doubt about God, only God is

remembered! You may discover, by His Grace that it is God as

YOURSELF is trying to discover Himself through you. Every such

doubts brings you a little closer to YOURSELF! God has playfully

forgotten HIMSELF/HERSELF in YOURSELF! Now is trying to remember by

asking " Do I exist? "

It is God, who is reciting Hanuman Chalisa as Payal and then asking.

Take this as serious intimation from God, and surrender your claim

of being Payal, the owner of body-mind! That is the only thing you

can surrender as nothing else is yours to surrender! Thus

surrendered, " yourself " vanishes into SELF. Now, not that God exists

but God is the Existence ITSELF, YOURSELF, never apart!

Life is a journey from self to SELF, travelling only zero distance

but how much load we carry in our minds in the names of this and

that!

Finally, as it happened to Arjuna, all boils down to

Nashtomoha smrtirlabdhwa.........karishye vachanam tav ....BG Ch

18:73

I regained my memory and know (who AM I).....now will do what you

say.

Arjuna(GOD) figured it out that all the while it was only God even

as He pretended to be Arjuna in doubts, just as Payal asking and

sadhakas responding ARE!!!

Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt

 

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God is not an object that you can acquire. If he were an object all

of us would have reached Him. He is everything. Beyond life and

death. He is all there is. According to me, we don't need to believe

in God. Belief or non belief is at the level of the mind- the ego.

We need to go back to the source of who we think we are. If we think

we know it, it is not true. The eye cannot see itself...

 

Anand S

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my take on this is that belief is a statement of uncertainity

If you say, i believe my name is payal it really implies that you

are not sure. that is why I say that to believe in god etc is not a

great statement to make in the first place. belief is a tool, use

it and discard it in view of the fact of what it truly is.

ravi bakshi

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Hari Om

 

Your trust/faith earlier in the existence of God was weak. Consider

the present state of mind as practical manifestation only of Divine

in you for strengthening your trust in God - BG 7:21.

 

Again your linking with Hanuman Chalisa Path a day earlier, with

what happened to your mind next day- that linking itself shows that

the belief is strengthening !! Remember: The Sun looks exactly the

same to the eyes when it rises or when it sets. Moreover, the belief

in God has always a tendency to strengthen only, by natural laws.

When we are not able to leave easily what is 'unreal/false', how

shall we ever be able to leave that which is 'Real/Truth' ? No body

has ever been able to be 100 percent non-believer !!

 

A surgeon, first gives medicine, to a patient suffering from a boil

so that it may suppurate and then performs an operation, to remove

the diseased part, in the same way God first arouses the hidden

doubts in His devotees and then destroys it .

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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yes. god is very much present every where. jebamani mohanraj

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dear Sadak,

human body comprises of 3 main concepts. 1) Body 2) Jeevathuma 3)

Paramathuma. There are 10 elements always witnessing, to what ever

done, spoken and thought off They are starting from earth, space,

moon, Sun etc.These karmas are 3 again are Prarabdha, Agami and

Sanchita.. They are unmistakingly recorded and credited to ones

account. By chance of 0.0001% the witness fails in recording,

Paramathuma notes down. How these functions are seperate subject.

In your case of reciting Hanuman Chalisa, THE Paramathuma is

constantly aware of your recital as ANTHERYAMI and sends signals the

doubt about GOD existence or not. This signal is due to you having

in mind that YOU are reciting Hanuman Chalisa- that I-ness. Once I-

ness disappears on continuing your recital, you will have glimpness

of Hanuman with Sri Rama, Mother Seetha and Swamy Lakshuman. But

that stage will completely cut off all your people, world, and

beyond. Sometimes one becomes digambar wandering.

 

Siddhi happens when the I-ness disappears and the mind Buddhi

synchronizes. At this stage food and sleep is not a matter. Such

man's face is illuminated and glowing.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

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The belief that comes and goes.............. is the mind

hallucinating . It is only , when the desire to experience the

unchanging deathless being blossoms in you, that true sadhna begins.

 

to come to know this truth perfectly............... the Knwers of

Truth said, " The only truth that you can be sure of , for it is

your own being that you never can deny, is YOURSELF. Begin,

therfore, with yourself . Forget all beliefs. God exists, or does

not exist. He is worthy of faith, or, God is a myth..... cease to

try to know. That which exists as your Breath, and your

Consciousness, about, which you are always aware .............. call

it God .............. begin your sadhna with that .

 

All answers to your queries will satisfy you but for a short

while ............... till they themselves take the shape of further

doubts. There is no end to the accumulation of intellectual

knowledge, or answers.

 

Better to go to the root question............. who is it that, in

me, is asking the question ? Who ? Who am I ?

 

When the self is known............. all gets known !

 

The unborn, the unchanging, the undying remains ever the deathless.

All else dies.

Seek , therefore, the deathless, thou, who art thyself That !

Seek That, before Death seizes you.

 

AUM

 

narinder bhandari

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Dear Sadhika Payalji, Namaskar,

 

You got the feeling that God does not exist after reading Hanuman

Chalisa 100 times. This is a triffle thing. This is because you have

not understood the concept of God..

 

God is the supreme power behind the functioning of this Cosmos. It is

an Energy, God has no physical form, no gender. God does not give you

anything nor takes away anything from you. God is not pleased by

worship or prayers and not displeased with you for no worship or no

prayers.

 

Every event of this Cosmos is due to the interaction of the existing

physical forces (Four Fundamental Forces of Nature). God has no

desires or plans connected to anything...God does not behave

according to anybody`s wishes...

 

Then why we experience good effects after pooja, worship, prayer,

good deeds, meditation, concentration etc...because by doing so...our

cells get recharged, our brain gets refreshed, our abilities get

improved and so on...These good acts are needed for the betterment of

your life...so go on doing these acts and get Divine Satisfaction...

 

Gee Waman

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It is natural, important and a sign of maturity, however, does it

really matter and how does that affect the way you behave towards

others and yourself?

 

Belief in god is not a virtue, Ravan was a believer and many others

are believers as well. luckily our thinking is not so boxed or

constrained. It is time to celebrate freedom of being and maturity

in responsibility. Hanuman as an archtype of strength and

intelligence has just given you a gift. be wise and respectful

towards it, not resentful. self explaining comes from mind and that

does not affect emotion and feeling which are much deeper parts of

psyche. Your feelings will override mental explanations as being

inconsequential and irrelevant. enjoy the freedom not everyone is so

lucky.

 

If god exists it really is his own business, our buisness is to take

care in our thoughts & actions and participate in awareness, Dhyan.

Ultimately view of direct knowledge of truth is key -

Pratyaksha anumana gama pramanani Yoga sutra 7

 

ravi bakhsi

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Hare Krishna

If I am not wrong, you must have recited Hanuman-chalisa, expecting

that God will fulfill your expectations, which didn't happened and

you started thinking like this.

Please be sure that what ever good or bad (according to our

imaginations) happens, is the result of our past deeds. It's the God

who manages not only this world but this entire universe and beyond.

There should not be any doubt in this.

 

Ashok Goenka

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

After reciting Hanuman Chalisa, the doubt about existence of God

came, right? There was something of a personal wish being asked to

fulfill, right? It is because of such wishes that doubt about its

getting fulfilled naturally arise, because in it there is more of a

desire to get something and whether or not I will get it, is hiding

by asking whether or not God is there, you see. It is trick of the

mind, recognize it as such!

If the belief in God is based on desire, then there is always doubt.

It is two sided coin, ask for one and the other comes, want it or

not. Check all your experiences. It has nothing to do with Hanuman

Chalisa path, please continue even more vigorously.

In the meantime, try to find what God really means. Once you

discover God even if provisionally first, belief in God with desire

to get something other than God will vanish. Then personal desires

will be replaced with requests asking for help acknowledging your

inability to handle it alone will take stronghold in you. That is

when and where doubts will be resolved, and belief will turn into

Trust, Shraddha, and ultimately you will know God!

Namaskar................Pratap Bhatt

 

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Dear Sadhak,

When you pray to Lord Sun after taking bath.Look to the Sun and

think that sun is the right eye and moon is the left eye.Offer

prayers to both of them.Then you think of the whole universe as the

body of God Do you believe that god exists everywhere in this

universe. Blood sugar is changes and it is accounted for.Similarly

all our actions are considered by God and we get its results in the

next birth This is the Karma Theory. When you are absorbed in the

recitation in the name of God and His image in your mind,you will

feel His influence on you.When Mirbai was singing songs of Lord

Krishna she was crying and sometimes looses her senses. This is the

feelings of God.The same was the case of Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu

of Bengal. It is a hard task to reach such stages. Have faith in God

who will come to you Read the miracles of God when he helped many

devotees narrated in our Hindu scriptures.

 

My best wishes to you all Sadhaks

 

Truly yours

 

Shanbkerprasad S Bhatt

 

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Please get yourself out of this question first?

 

Important is to know our self........first....

and to know whether we exist or not.....

Sushil Jain

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What is not God? Everything in this world is his creation. We

ourselves possess souls whose only goal is to unite with Parmatma.

Because we cannot see our soul or the Parmatma, we have doubts. We

cannot wish away the truth. It will take several births for us to

become one with Parmatma. Till then we have to practice sadhna,

sewa, satsang and meditation which will lead us to the right path.

Hari Shanker Deo

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respected swamiji..

 

i was a firm believer of God until yesterday.. i had a wish and so i

recited Hanuman Chalisa 100 times yesterday..but immediately after

that i started getting this feeling that does God actually exist? is

there someone who's even listening? i dunno why i started feeling

that way. Since yesterday i have been trying to explain to myself

that yes! God does exist but that feeling just doesn't sink in and

why did it happen just after i recited Hanuman Chalisa. Is there a

connection? I want to believe in God. What has happened to me

suddenly? Pls help..

 

payal

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NEW POSTING

 

Hari Om.

 

Bhagavan Sri Krishna informs us about doubts and faith in Bhagavad

Gita Chapter 4 Verses 39 to 42:

 

A faithful man who is dedicated to transcendental knowledge and who

subdues his senses is eligible to achieve such knowledge, and having

achieved it he quickly attains the supreme spiritual peace.

 

But ignorant and faithless persons who doubt the revealed scriptures

do not attain God consciousness; they fall down. For the doubting

soul there is happiness neither in this world nor in the next.

 

One who acts in devotional service, renouncing the fruits of his

actions, and whose doubts have been destroyed by transcendental

knowledge, is situated factually in the self. Thus he is not bound

by the reactions of work, O conqueror of riches

 

Therefore the doubts which have arisen in your heart out of

ignorance should be slashed by the weapon of knowledge. Armed with

yoga, O Bhârata, stand and fight.

 

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Bhagavan tells Arjuna that the man who is full of faith obtains

wisdom. What is Faith? Faith is the surrender to the Unknown. Faith

has no relevance in terms of the known. With reference to the known

one can speak of belief; it is the Unknown that demands faith. If

the man of faith obtains wisdom then surely he is the one who has

come face to face with the Unknown.

 

One who is ignorant and of little faith does not follow instructions

of the spiritual master, and doubts the teachings of the eternal

Vedic scriptures. Such a person has no chance for spiritual

awakening and their human birth was all for nothing and in vain. One

who doubts is ruined in this life for one will have little or no

success in this world and such a person will have nothing in the

next life either because of not acquiring any merit in this life.

Nor will there be any happiness for them as due to always doubting

one is unable to enjoy anything and thus pleasure for them also is

an impossibility.

 

All doubts have their roots in fear. Among the many fears with which

the path of man is strewn there is nothing so overpowering as the

fear of losing the known. But unless the known is given up, the

Unknown cannot be seen, and it is the Unknown that is the begetter

of Faith.

 

Bhagavan tells Arjuna: " Cut asunder all doubts with the sword of

wisdom' so that he may become a Main inspired by Faith, ready to

accept the challenge of life, whatever be its nature. If we could

cut asunder all doubts then we too would become men filled with

Faith. But the dispelling of doubts demands a coming to grips with

the problem of fear. The spiritually integrated man of the Gita is a

fearless person.

 

There is a tendency for the Fearful and Faithless to test Bhagavan,

to make bargains and negotiate with Bhagavan, and to defy Bhagavan

if our desires and wishes are not met. Of course, Bhagavan does not

participate in these mind games. This, when the Fearful and

Faithless do not get the desired results they are disappointed,

become despondent, and filled with doubts and anxiety about the

existence of Bhagavan and scriptural injunctions.

 

It is the man of faith who alone endures - all others perish, and

the characteristics of this man of faith is revealed to us by

Bhagavan in Chapter 12 Verse 18 - 20:

 

One who is equal to friends and enemies, who is equipoised in honor

and dishonor, heat and cold, happiness and distress, fame and

infamy, who is always free from contaminating association, always

silent and satisfied with anything, who doesn't care for any

residence, who is fixed in knowledge and who is engaged in

devotional service — such a person is very dear to Me.

Those who follow this imperishable path of devotional service and

who completely engage themselves with faith, making Me the supreme

goal, are very, very dear to Me.

 

And, Bhagavan provides precise instructions in Chapter 9 Verse 34

 

Engage your mind always in thinking of Me, become My devotee, offer

obeisances to Me and worship Me. Being completely absorbed in Me,

surely you will come to Me.

 

Krishna S. Narinedath

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Dear Sadaks,

Sri Sadhna Karigar said it excellently. As she said if it is a

business between God and One

and if the fruits of the business does not yield, certainly the

doubt about God exits or Not comes. If the chanting is not business,

then the Karma Pala of chanting goes to Sri Vasudev. Then HE clears

the doubt.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Payal,

After having faith upon HIM there is no question about doubt on His

existance .

 

Saint Thiyagaraja narrated in his life that whenever he completes

chanting Rama nama 1,00,000 times he got visible changes /siddhis or

some favours . Smt. Thavudammal a devotee of Krishna is writing

Lord krishnas name ( OM Sri Krishnaya Namaha )1,00,000 times and

after finishing this task her difficulties got overcome or problems

solved. When she has been approached by another lady to solve the

problem of no pooja fuctions performed for many years in a temple

she has been advised to write 1,00,000 times of Krishnas name( OM

Sri Krishnaya Namaha ) now the temple is being performed withy

regular poioja and more people visit and donate etc.

After this incidence Lord Krishna was joking to Thavudammal ( she is

capable of interacting with HIM throug dreams / vision ) that she

is go on telling this secret of writing 1,00,000 times to many

person and making HIM a bankrupt (as HE has to reapy for the every

deposit of GODs names being written) . Whenever Thavudammal was not

able to interact with HIM again follows writng His name 1 lakh times

and keeps her union alive with HIM.

It is very simple of following the sloka of Geetha in our day to day

life ( sloka 27 in chapter 9 ) ;but if any body wants to solve

their immediate problem it is very practical to chant or write at

least for few months continously without any interruption (

continously 3-4 months or so ) as narrated above. Once the problems

solved then one can keep this course relaxedly but steadily pursue

his bakthi through out ones life.

Life stories of saints narrated in the book Bhaktha Vijayam will be

ideal to follwo to face any situation including the real life

problems.

With kind regards,

 

Sincerely,

P.Vivekanandan

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Dear sadhak,

 

God does exsist but

1) Do pooja without one day's break.

2) Do not wish anything in pooja.

 

can you see sun in sky. nature animals so there is a force keeping

them alive. That force is God.

 

believe, and remember " Karmanyae .....ma phalashu kadachana "

 

Read " sadhna sudha sindhu " & sadhak sanjeevani for all your answers.

 

Yours truly

 

Kalrav pande

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I think payal, you need to look back on what you think GOD is?

If you believe that GOD is the Magician who grants all that you

desire - then you can hang on with the feeling that 'MAGICIAN' does

not exist.

 

However, if you wish to know GOD - then you have to associate with

him outside of these MAGIC and DEMANDS.

 

A person who lives with GOD is one who follows his path - who has no

desires, who does not feel extremely connected with extremes - joy

or grieve.. If you can understand the crux of Shree BagwatGeeta,

you would know who GOD is and how you need to be connected with HIM.

 

Please, do not live with idea that reading Hanuman Chalisa would

make your with come true - this is disrespect to the sacred book.

 

You need to sit with people who know GOD and learn from them as to

how you can reach him. If you were with GOD, you would not have

been so hurt by not having got what you wished for.

 

Anita Sharma

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhika,

God exist or not, is not a matter of " DOUBT " or " NO DOUBT " . He just

IS, whether you believe it or not.

Because of our upbringing we assume that God is out there, but in

reality he is everywhere.

Stop transacting business with God. I recited 100 Hanumaan Chalisa

and my wish should be fulfilled, I offer this much donation to the

temple and I must get this or that in return. Please stop all this.

Now its time to decide what is more important for you-God or the

desire ? If you want to know God, then you have to drop all desires.

Start asking yourself- who am I ? This sutra will take you to God.

God really loves you thats why He created this feeling. Now its upto

you-surrender to Him completely or imprison yourself in the cage of

your thinking mind.

 

with Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

-----------------------

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Gitaji says -

 

" Bahirantashya bhootaanam charam charmeva cha

Shookshmatvaa tatvijayam doorastham chaatike che tat. " (Gita 13:15)

 

" Got exist without and within all beings and constitutes the moving

and the unmoving creation; because He is subtle; He is

incomprehensible; He is near and also stands afar. "

 

The gist is GOD ALONE EXISTS. We may not be able to recognize God,

due to our own limitations, we may not believe at the moment, but

that is the TRUTH as expressed by Gitaji, scriptures and saints.

 

Therefore for the time being do not worry about doubts or beliefs -

Simply do the following:

Keep vigil at all times - do not think ill off anyone or hurt anyone

with thoughts, words, or deeds.. (including your doubting mind).

Ask God for forgiveness when you experience negligence in this

regard. If you continue to remain alert and ask forgiveness when

there is negligence, then existence of GOD will be realized, says

Swamiji.

 

Meera Das

Ram Ram

 

-------

Dear Sadaks,

Sri Vyasji said so, " God first arouses the hidden doubts in His

devotees and then destroys it . " It is very apt reply. Human have 2

brains. One works with knowledge of the person and another is a

store of Vasanas and doubts. From here these doubts come.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

--------------------------------

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

Dear One (Payal)

 

 

When we spontaneously and continuously engage our mind (by reciting

mantra / Hanuman Chalisa) actually we are giving a role to our mind

and thus we make it busy. While doing so consciously / sub-

consciously our mind drops (or for a while stop interfering with our

real Self.)

 

The real experience is that in the process you are in touch with

your Real Self (God) and becuase of your belief (that Gos is other

than you or a separate entity) you think and felt that If God exists

or not???

 

Only God exists, You are there or not, Just Check.

 

Just share more at feeling levels and try to contemplate and

expereince the change (not at mind level) but at a level of heart.

Don't try to believe in GOD, Expereince IT...Just BE..***

 

Gopikrishan

---------------------------

 

Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

I would echo Narinder Bhandariji's and Shushilji's suggestion: Start

with YOURSELF, as it is the highest certainty of being oneself. This

way you start on a solid footing!

 

See that everytime you have a doubt about God, only God is

remembered! You may discover, by His Grace that it is God as

YOURSELF is trying to discover Himself through you. Every such

doubts brings you a little closer to YOURSELF! God has playfully

forgotten HIMSELF/HERSELF in YOURSELF! Now is trying to remember by

asking " Do I exist? "

It is God, who is reciting Hanuman Chalisa as Payal and then asking.

Take this as serious intimation from God, and surrender your claim

of being Payal, the owner of body-mind! That is the only thing you

can surrender as nothing else is yours to surrender! Thus

surrendered, " yourself " vanishes into SELF. Now, not that God exists

but God is the Existence ITSELF, YOURSELF, never apart!

Life is a journey from self to SELF, travelling only zero distance

but how much load we carry in our minds in the names of this and

that!

Finally, as it happened to Arjuna, all boils down to

Nashtomoha smrtirlabdhwa.........karishye vachanam tav ....BG Ch

18:73

I regained my memory and know (who AM I).....now will do what you

say.

Arjuna(GOD) figured it out that all the while it was only God even

as He pretended to be Arjuna in doubts, just as Payal asking and

sadhakas responding ARE!!!

Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt

 

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God is not an object that you can acquire. If he were an object all

of us would have reached Him. He is everything. Beyond life and

death. He is all there is. According to me, we don't need to believe

in God. Belief or non belief is at the level of the mind- the ego.

We need to go back to the source of who we think we are. If we think

we know it, it is not true. The eye cannot see itself...

 

Anand S

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my take on this is that belief is a statement of uncertainity

If you say, i believe my name is payal it really implies that you

are not sure. that is why I say that to believe in god etc is not a

great statement to make in the first place. belief is a tool, use

it and discard it in view of the fact of what it truly is.

ravi bakshi

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Hari Om

 

Your trust/faith earlier in the existence of God was weak. Consider

the present state of mind as practical manifestation only of Divine

in you for strengthening your trust in God - BG 7:21.

 

Again your linking with Hanuman Chalisa Path a day earlier, with

what happened to your mind next day- that linking itself shows that

the belief is strengthening !! Remember: The Sun looks exactly the

same to the eyes when it rises or when it sets. Moreover, the belief

in God has always a tendency to strengthen only, by natural laws.

When we are not able to leave easily what is 'unreal/false', how

shall we ever be able to leave that which is 'Real/Truth' ? No body

has ever been able to be 100 percent non-believer !!

 

A surgeon, first gives medicine, to a patient suffering from a boil

so that it may suppurate and then performs an operation, to remove

the diseased part, in the same way God first arouses the hidden

doubts in His devotees and then destroys it .

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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yes. god is very much present every where. jebamani mohanraj

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dear Sadak,

human body comprises of 3 main concepts. 1) Body 2) Jeevathuma 3)

Paramathuma. There are 10 elements always witnessing, to what ever

done, spoken and thought off They are starting from earth, space,

moon, Sun etc.These karmas are 3 again are Prarabdha, Agami and

Sanchita.. They are unmistakingly recorded and credited to ones

account. By chance of 0.0001% the witness fails in recording,

Paramathuma notes down. How these functions are seperate subject.

In your case of reciting Hanuman Chalisa, THE Paramathuma is

constantly aware of your recital as ANTHERYAMI and sends signals the

doubt about GOD existence or not. This signal is due to you having

in mind that YOU are reciting Hanuman Chalisa- that I-ness. Once I-

ness disappears on continuing your recital, you will have glimpness

of Hanuman with Sri Rama, Mother Seetha and Swamy Lakshuman. But

that stage will completely cut off all your people, world, and

beyond. Sometimes one becomes digambar wandering.

 

Siddhi happens when the I-ness disappears and the mind Buddhi

synchronizes. At this stage food and sleep is not a matter. Such

man's face is illuminated and glowing.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

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The belief that comes and goes.............. is the mind

hallucinating . It is only , when the desire to experience the

unchanging deathless being blossoms in you, that true sadhna begins.

 

to come to know this truth perfectly............... the Knwers of

Truth said, " The only truth that you can be sure of , for it is

your own being that you never can deny, is YOURSELF. Begin,

therfore, with yourself . Forget all beliefs. God exists, or does

not exist. He is worthy of faith, or, God is a myth..... cease to

try to know. That which exists as your Breath, and your

Consciousness, about, which you are always aware .............. call

it God .............. begin your sadhna with that .

 

All answers to your queries will satisfy you but for a short

while ............... till they themselves take the shape of further

doubts. There is no end to the accumulation of intellectual

knowledge, or answers.

 

Better to go to the root question............. who is it that, in

me, is asking the question ? Who ? Who am I ?

 

When the self is known............. all gets known !

 

The unborn, the unchanging, the undying remains ever the deathless.

All else dies.

Seek , therefore, the deathless, thou, who art thyself That !

Seek That, before Death seizes you.

 

AUM

 

narinder bhandari

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Dear Sadhika Payalji, Namaskar,

 

You got the feeling that God does not exist after reading Hanuman

Chalisa 100 times. This is a triffle thing. This is because you have

not understood the concept of God..

 

God is the supreme power behind the functioning of this Cosmos. It is

an Energy, God has no physical form, no gender. God does not give you

anything nor takes away anything from you. God is not pleased by

worship or prayers and not displeased with you for no worship or no

prayers.

 

Every event of this Cosmos is due to the interaction of the existing

physical forces (Four Fundamental Forces of Nature). God has no

desires or plans connected to anything...God does not behave

according to anybody`s wishes...

 

Then why we experience good effects after pooja, worship, prayer,

good deeds, meditation, concentration etc...because by doing so...our

cells get recharged, our brain gets refreshed, our abilities get

improved and so on...These good acts are needed for the betterment of

your life...so go on doing these acts and get Divine Satisfaction...

 

Gee Waman

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It is natural, important and a sign of maturity, however, does it

really matter and how does that affect the way you behave towards

others and yourself?

 

Belief in god is not a virtue, Ravan was a believer and many others

are believers as well. luckily our thinking is not so boxed or

constrained. It is time to celebrate freedom of being and maturity

in responsibility. Hanuman as an archtype of strength and

intelligence has just given you a gift. be wise and respectful

towards it, not resentful. self explaining comes from mind and that

does not affect emotion and feeling which are much deeper parts of

psyche. Your feelings will override mental explanations as being

inconsequential and irrelevant. enjoy the freedom not everyone is so

lucky.

 

If god exists it really is his own business, our buisness is to take

care in our thoughts & actions and participate in awareness, Dhyan.

Ultimately view of direct knowledge of truth is key -

Pratyaksha anumana gama pramanani Yoga sutra 7

 

ravi bakhsi

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Hare Krishna

If I am not wrong, you must have recited Hanuman-chalisa, expecting

that God will fulfill your expectations, which didn't happened and

you started thinking like this.

Please be sure that what ever good or bad (according to our

imaginations) happens, is the result of our past deeds. It's the God

who manages not only this world but this entire universe and beyond.

There should not be any doubt in this.

 

Ashok Goenka

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

After reciting Hanuman Chalisa, the doubt about existence of God

came, right? There was something of a personal wish being asked to

fulfill, right? It is because of such wishes that doubt about its

getting fulfilled naturally arise, because in it there is more of a

desire to get something and whether or not I will get it, is hiding

by asking whether or not God is there, you see. It is trick of the

mind, recognize it as such!

If the belief in God is based on desire, then there is always doubt.

It is two sided coin, ask for one and the other comes, want it or

not. Check all your experiences. It has nothing to do with Hanuman

Chalisa path, please continue even more vigorously.

In the meantime, try to find what God really means. Once you

discover God even if provisionally first, belief in God with desire

to get something other than God will vanish. Then personal desires

will be replaced with requests asking for help acknowledging your

inability to handle it alone will take stronghold in you. That is

when and where doubts will be resolved, and belief will turn into

Trust, Shraddha, and ultimately you will know God!

Namaskar................Pratap Bhatt

 

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Dear Sadhak,

When you pray to Lord Sun after taking bath.Look to the Sun and

think that sun is the right eye and moon is the left eye.Offer

prayers to both of them.Then you think of the whole universe as the

body of God Do you believe that god exists everywhere in this

universe. Blood sugar is changes and it is accounted for.Similarly

all our actions are considered by God and we get its results in the

next birth This is the Karma Theory. When you are absorbed in the

recitation in the name of God and His image in your mind,you will

feel His influence on you.When Mirbai was singing songs of Lord

Krishna she was crying and sometimes looses her senses. This is the

feelings of God.The same was the case of Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu

of Bengal. It is a hard task to reach such stages. Have faith in God

who will come to you Read the miracles of God when he helped many

devotees narrated in our Hindu scriptures.

 

My best wishes to you all Sadhaks

 

Truly yours

 

Shanbkerprasad S Bhatt

 

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Please get yourself out of this question first?

 

Important is to know our self........first....

and to know whether we exist or not.....

Sushil Jain

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What is not God? Everything in this world is his creation. We

ourselves possess souls whose only goal is to unite with Parmatma.

Because we cannot see our soul or the Parmatma, we have doubts. We

cannot wish away the truth. It will take several births for us to

become one with Parmatma. Till then we have to practice sadhna,

sewa, satsang and meditation which will lead us to the right path.

Hari Shanker Deo

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respected swamiji..

 

i was a firm believer of God until yesterday.. i had a wish and so i

recited Hanuman Chalisa 100 times yesterday..but immediately after

that i started getting this feeling that does God actually exist? is

there someone who's even listening? i dunno why i started feeling

that way. Since yesterday i have been trying to explain to myself

that yes! God does exist but that feeling just doesn't sink in and

why did it happen just after i recited Hanuman Chalisa. Is there a

connection? I want to believe in God. What has happened to me

suddenly? Pls help..

 

payal

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NEW POSTING

 

REspected practitioners

 

Would it matter ? God exists or does not exist - how does it matter

to you.

 

A good driver, would not care to look whether a policeman is standing

or not; his behaviour will not be different either way.

 

Second, u realise that you are god, you are un attached to any

desire, you do your duty to the best of your ability and what the

prevailing circumstance will allow. Then why do you have to care for

the existince of him.

 

Then, when you desire something out of turn, or not justifiable by

your efforts, or fear for something not to happen, then you require a

God. Again this god is your personal god. he is as strong as you wish

him to be. because he is none but you. your mental abilities, will

bring him alive. So wish well deep and honest to yourself. there he

will be. Does it matter that your god is wearing a jeans and not a

pitambar.

 

Now tell me why you want a god ? Please understand me correctly - i

m not asking you to be a non-believer. i am simply saying that the

actual existence is not the point.

 

But belief in his existence is all that is required.

 

Siva " wannabe.acharya "

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Dear Krishna,

 

Regarding your statement:

 

'One who is ignorant and of little faith does not follow instructions

of the spiritual master, and doubts the teachings of the eternal

Vedic scriptures. Such a person has no chance for spiritual

awakening and their human birth was all for nothing and in vain'.

 

I don't think so:

 

Bhagavad Gita: 4

In whatever way they resort

To Me do I thus reward them.

It is My path which ev’rywhere

All men follow, O Arjuna. (11)

 

Actually one should never make such a judgment, very dangerous

thinking.

 

Faith can come from a spiritual black hole, how often does one read

of

people who come spiritually alive through the most unusual means,

(I've read of people with terminal cancer who suddenly become

spiritually awake not through fear but through HIS grace).

 

As long as there is HIS Divine Grace, then no birth is in vain.

 

B.G. 4

The ignorant man, without faith,

The doubting, goes to destruction.

The doubter has neither this world,

Nor yet the next, nor happiness. (40)

 

Alternative Translation B.G. 4

The ignorant fool one without Vedic scriptures,and one afflicted with

inner doubt and uncertainty and for one afflicted by doubt and

uncertainty there is no happiness in this world nor the next. 40

 

YES! But his miseries can turn him at (any time in his life), in

desperation to Bhagwan.

 

B.G. 9

If even an evildoer

Worships me single-heartedly,

He should be considered righteous,

Truly having rightly resolved. (30

 

Payalji, you have made the connection it is flowing to you from this

Satsang.

 

With Respect and Divine Love,

 

Mike (Keenor).

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Dear Payal,

 

Love and Love alone....

 

My counter question is: Is your existence real? If so and if you are

sure and certain about your existence, then God's existence is also

very much real. There is not even an iota of doubt about the

existence of God, as HE is your Antaryaami whether you call HIM

Prana, Soul, Paramatma, or with any other name, as you like.

 

Love and Love alone....

 

P. Gopi Krishna

 

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Priy Sadhak Payalji

I feel U started chanting Hanuman Chalisa to complete ur wish.

Wish may or may not fulfil, but it has no relation to existance of

God.

Like U ask ur parents for something & they feel it would be improper

to fulfil ur wish OR they will fulfill it, In both the cases they

exist.

Now, the Q is that u want to belive in god !

Just think who is performing most vital functions of ur bodu like

HEART BEATS, BREATHING, DIGESTING, MAKING BLOOD,TISSUES,HARMONS

ETC...

can u do it by urself? if no then it is proved that someone else is

doing it for U...

Who is that.....

ur mom papa..no

It must be someone who is doing it for u without asking any thing

without interrupting...

think who is that pur fellow

HETU RAHIT (WITHOUT REASON)

WHO WHO WHO?

IF U GET ANS.........

PL YELL ME TOO

THANX

RAJA Gurdasani

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Hari Om.

 

Bhagavan Sri Krishna informs us about doubts and faith in Bhagavad

Gita Chapter 4 Verses 39 to 42:

 

A faithful man who is dedicated to transcendental knowledge and who

subdues his senses is eligible to achieve such knowledge, and having

achieved it he quickly attains the supreme spiritual peace.

 

But ignorant and faithless persons who doubt the revealed scriptures

do not attain God consciousness; they fall down. For the doubting

soul there is happiness neither in this world nor in the next.

 

One who acts in devotional service, renouncing the fruits of his

actions, and whose doubts have been destroyed by transcendental

knowledge, is situated factually in the self. Thus he is not bound

by the reactions of work, O conqueror of riches

 

Therefore the doubts which have arisen in your heart out of

ignorance should be slashed by the weapon of knowledge. Armed with

yoga, O Bhârata, stand and fight.

 

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Bhagavan tells Arjuna that the man who is full of faith obtains

wisdom. What is Faith? Faith is the surrender to the Unknown. Faith

has no relevance in terms of the known. With reference to the known

one can speak of belief; it is the Unknown that demands faith. If

the man of faith obtains wisdom then surely he is the one who has

come face to face with the Unknown.

 

One who is ignorant and of little faith does not follow instructions

of the spiritual master, and doubts the teachings of the eternal

Vedic scriptures. Such a person has no chance for spiritual

awakening and their human birth was all for nothing and in vain. One

who doubts is ruined in this life for one will have little or no

success in this world and such a person will have nothing in the

next life either because of not acquiring any merit in this life.

Nor will there be any happiness for them as due to always doubting

one is unable to enjoy anything and thus pleasure for them also is

an impossibility.

 

All doubts have their roots in fear. Among the many fears with which

the path of man is strewn there is nothing so overpowering as the

fear of losing the known. But unless the known is given up, the

Unknown cannot be seen, and it is the Unknown that is the begetter

of Faith.

 

Bhagavan tells Arjuna: " Cut asunder all doubts with the sword of

wisdom' so that he may become a Main inspired by Faith, ready to

accept the challenge of life, whatever be its nature. If we could

cut asunder all doubts then we too would become men filled with

Faith. But the dispelling of doubts demands a coming to grips with

the problem of fear. The spiritually integrated man of the Gita is a

fearless person.

 

There is a tendency for the Fearful and Faithless to test Bhagavan,

to make bargains and negotiate with Bhagavan, and to defy Bhagavan

if our desires and wishes are not met. Of course, Bhagavan does not

participate in these mind games. This, when the Fearful and

Faithless do not get the desired results they are disappointed,

become despondent, and filled with doubts and anxiety about the

existence of Bhagavan and scriptural injunctions.

 

It is the man of faith who alone endures - all others perish, and

the characteristics of this man of faith is revealed to us by

Bhagavan in Chapter 12 Verse 18 - 20:

 

One who is equal to friends and enemies, who is equipoised in honor

and dishonor, heat and cold, happiness and distress, fame and

infamy, who is always free from contaminating association, always

silent and satisfied with anything, who doesn't care for any

residence, who is fixed in knowledge and who is engaged in

devotional service — such a person is very dear to Me.

Those who follow this imperishable path of devotional service and

who completely engage themselves with faith, making Me the supreme

goal, are very, very dear to Me.

 

And, Bhagavan provides precise instructions in Chapter 9 Verse 34

 

Engage your mind always in thinking of Me, become My devotee, offer

obeisances to Me and worship Me. Being completely absorbed in Me,

surely you will come to Me.

 

Krishna S. Narinedath

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Dear Sadaks,

Sri Sadhna Karigar said it excellently. As she said if it is a

business between God and One

and if the fruits of the business does not yield, certainly the

doubt about God exits or Not comes. If the chanting is not business,

then the Karma Pala of chanting goes to Sri Vasudev. Then HE clears

the doubt.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Payal,

After having faith upon HIM there is no question about doubt on His

existance .

 

Saint Thiyagaraja narrated in his life that whenever he completes

chanting Rama nama 1,00,000 times he got visible changes /siddhis or

some favours . Smt. Thavudammal a devotee of Krishna is writing

Lord krishnas name ( OM Sri Krishnaya Namaha )1,00,000 times and

after finishing this task her difficulties got overcome or problems

solved. When she has been approached by another lady to solve the

problem of no pooja fuctions performed for many years in a temple

she has been advised to write 1,00,000 times of Krishnas name( OM

Sri Krishnaya Namaha ) now the temple is being performed withy

regular poioja and more people visit and donate etc.

After this incidence Lord Krishna was joking to Thavudammal ( she is

capable of interacting with HIM throug dreams / vision ) that she

is go on telling this secret of writing 1,00,000 times to many

person and making HIM a bankrupt (as HE has to reapy for the every

deposit of GODs names being written) . Whenever Thavudammal was not

able to interact with HIM again follows writng His name 1 lakh times

and keeps her union alive with HIM.

It is very simple of following the sloka of Geetha in our day to day

life ( sloka 27 in chapter 9 ) ;but if any body wants to solve

their immediate problem it is very practical to chant or write at

least for few months continously without any interruption (

continously 3-4 months or so ) as narrated above. Once the problems

solved then one can keep this course relaxedly but steadily pursue

his bakthi through out ones life.

Life stories of saints narrated in the book Bhaktha Vijayam will be

ideal to follwo to face any situation including the real life

problems.

With kind regards,

 

Sincerely,

P.Vivekanandan

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Dear sadhak,

 

God does exsist but

1) Do pooja without one day's break.

2) Do not wish anything in pooja.

 

can you see sun in sky. nature animals so there is a force keeping

them alive. That force is God.

 

believe, and remember " Karmanyae .....ma phalashu kadachana "

 

Read " sadhna sudha sindhu " & sadhak sanjeevani for all your answers.

 

Yours truly

 

Kalrav pande

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I think payal, you need to look back on what you think GOD is?

If you believe that GOD is the Magician who grants all that you

desire - then you can hang on with the feeling that 'MAGICIAN' does

not exist.

 

However, if you wish to know GOD - then you have to associate with

him outside of these MAGIC and DEMANDS.

 

A person who lives with GOD is one who follows his path - who has no

desires, who does not feel extremely connected with extremes - joy

or grieve.. If you can understand the crux of Shree BagwatGeeta,

you would know who GOD is and how you need to be connected with HIM.

 

Please, do not live with idea that reading Hanuman Chalisa would

make your with come true - this is disrespect to the sacred book.

 

You need to sit with people who know GOD and learn from them as to

how you can reach him. If you were with GOD, you would not have

been so hurt by not having got what you wished for.

 

Anita Sharma

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhika,

God exist or not, is not a matter of " DOUBT " or " NO DOUBT " . He just

IS, whether you believe it or not.

Because of our upbringing we assume that God is out there, but in

reality he is everywhere.

Stop transacting business with God. I recited 100 Hanumaan Chalisa

and my wish should be fulfilled, I offer this much donation to the

temple and I must get this or that in return. Please stop all this.

Now its time to decide what is more important for you-God or the

desire ? If you want to know God, then you have to drop all desires.

Start asking yourself- who am I ? This sutra will take you to God.

God really loves you thats why He created this feeling. Now its upto

you-surrender to Him completely or imprison yourself in the cage of

your thinking mind.

 

with Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Gitaji says -

 

" Bahirantashya bhootaanam charam charmeva cha

Shookshmatvaa tatvijayam doorastham chaatike che tat. " (Gita 13:15)

 

" Got exist without and within all beings and constitutes the moving

and the unmoving creation; because He is subtle; He is

incomprehensible; He is near and also stands afar. "

 

The gist is GOD ALONE EXISTS. We may not be able to recognize God,

due to our own limitations, we may not believe at the moment, but

that is the TRUTH as expressed by Gitaji, scriptures and saints.

 

Therefore for the time being do not worry about doubts or beliefs -

Simply do the following:

Keep vigil at all times - do not think ill off anyone or hurt anyone

with thoughts, words, or deeds.. (including your doubting mind).

Ask God for forgiveness when you experience negligence in this

regard. If you continue to remain alert and ask forgiveness when

there is negligence, then existence of GOD will be realized, says

Swamiji.

 

Meera Das

Ram Ram

 

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Dear Sadaks,

Sri Vyasji said so, " God first arouses the hidden doubts in His

devotees and then destroys it . " It is very apt reply. Human have 2

brains. One works with knowledge of the person and another is a

store of Vasanas and doubts. From here these doubts come.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear One (Payal)

 

 

When we spontaneously and continuously engage our mind (by reciting

mantra / Hanuman Chalisa) actually we are giving a role to our mind

and thus we make it busy. While doing so consciously / sub-

consciously our mind drops (or for a while stop interfering with our

real Self.)

 

The real experience is that in the process you are in touch with

your Real Self (God) and becuase of your belief (that Gos is other

than you or a separate entity) you think and felt that If God exists

or not???

 

Only God exists, You are there or not, Just Check.

 

Just share more at feeling levels and try to contemplate and

expereince the change (not at mind level) but at a level of heart.

Don't try to believe in GOD, Expereince IT...Just BE..***

 

Gopikrishan

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

I would echo Narinder Bhandariji's and Shushilji's suggestion: Start

with YOURSELF, as it is the highest certainty of being oneself. This

way you start on a solid footing!

 

See that everytime you have a doubt about God, only God is

remembered! You may discover, by His Grace that it is God as

YOURSELF is trying to discover Himself through you. Every such

doubts brings you a little closer to YOURSELF! God has playfully

forgotten HIMSELF/HERSELF in YOURSELF! Now is trying to remember by

asking " Do I exist? "

It is God, who is reciting Hanuman Chalisa as Payal and then asking.

Take this as serious intimation from God, and surrender your claim

of being Payal, the owner of body-mind! That is the only thing you

can surrender as nothing else is yours to surrender! Thus

surrendered, " yourself " vanishes into SELF. Now, not that God exists

but God is the Existence ITSELF, YOURSELF, never apart!

Life is a journey from self to SELF, travelling only zero distance

but how much load we carry in our minds in the names of this and

that!

Finally, as it happened to Arjuna, all boils down to

Nashtomoha smrtirlabdhwa.........karishye vachanam tav ....BG Ch

18:73

I regained my memory and know (who AM I).....now will do what you

say.

Arjuna(GOD) figured it out that all the while it was only God even

as He pretended to be Arjuna in doubts, just as Payal asking and

sadhakas responding ARE!!!

Namaskar...........Pratap Bhatt

 

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God is not an object that you can acquire. If he were an object all

of us would have reached Him. He is everything. Beyond life and

death. He is all there is. According to me, we don't need to believe

in God. Belief or non belief is at the level of the mind- the ego.

We need to go back to the source of who we think we are. If we think

we know it, it is not true. The eye cannot see itself...

 

Anand S

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my take on this is that belief is a statement of uncertainity

If you say, i believe my name is payal it really implies that you

are not sure. that is why I say that to believe in god etc is not a

great statement to make in the first place. belief is a tool, use

it and discard it in view of the fact of what it truly is.

ravi bakshi

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Hari Om

 

Your trust/faith earlier in the existence of God was weak. Consider

the present state of mind as practical manifestation only of Divine

in you for strengthening your trust in God - BG 7:21.

 

Again your linking with Hanuman Chalisa Path a day earlier, with

what happened to your mind next day- that linking itself shows that

the belief is strengthening !! Remember: The Sun looks exactly the

same to the eyes when it rises or when it sets. Moreover, the belief

in God has always a tendency to strengthen only, by natural laws.

When we are not able to leave easily what is 'unreal/false', how

shall we ever be able to leave that which is 'Real/Truth' ? No body

has ever been able to be 100 percent non-believer !!

 

A surgeon, first gives medicine, to a patient suffering from a boil

so that it may suppurate and then performs an operation, to remove

the diseased part, in the same way God first arouses the hidden

doubts in His devotees and then destroys it .

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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yes. god is very much present every where. jebamani mohanraj

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dear Sadak,

human body comprises of 3 main concepts. 1) Body 2) Jeevathuma 3)

Paramathuma. There are 10 elements always witnessing, to what ever

done, spoken and thought off They are starting from earth, space,

moon, Sun etc.These karmas are 3 again are Prarabdha, Agami and

Sanchita.. They are unmistakingly recorded and credited to ones

account. By chance of 0.0001% the witness fails in recording,

Paramathuma notes down. How these functions are seperate subject.

In your case of reciting Hanuman Chalisa, THE Paramathuma is

constantly aware of your recital as ANTHERYAMI and sends signals the

doubt about GOD existence or not. This signal is due to you having

in mind that YOU are reciting Hanuman Chalisa- that I-ness. Once I-

ness disappears on continuing your recital, you will have glimpness

of Hanuman with Sri Rama, Mother Seetha and Swamy Lakshuman. But

that stage will completely cut off all your people, world, and

beyond. Sometimes one becomes digambar wandering.

 

Siddhi happens when the I-ness disappears and the mind Buddhi

synchronizes. At this stage food and sleep is not a matter. Such

man's face is illuminated and glowing.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

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The belief that comes and goes.............. is the mind

hallucinating . It is only , when the desire to experience the

unchanging deathless being blossoms in you, that true sadhna begins.

 

to come to know this truth perfectly............... the Knwers of

Truth said, " The only truth that you can be sure of , for it is

your own being that you never can deny, is YOURSELF. Begin,

therfore, with yourself . Forget all beliefs. God exists, or does

not exist. He is worthy of faith, or, God is a myth..... cease to

try to know. That which exists as your Breath, and your

Consciousness, about, which you are always aware .............. call

it God .............. begin your sadhna with that .

 

All answers to your queries will satisfy you but for a short

while ............... till they themselves take the shape of further

doubts. There is no end to the accumulation of intellectual

knowledge, or answers.

 

Better to go to the root question............. who is it that, in

me, is asking the question ? Who ? Who am I ?

 

When the self is known............. all gets known !

 

The unborn, the unchanging, the undying remains ever the deathless.

All else dies.

Seek , therefore, the deathless, thou, who art thyself That !

Seek That, before Death seizes you.

 

AUM

 

narinder bhandari

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Dear Sadhika Payalji, Namaskar,

 

You got the feeling that God does not exist after reading Hanuman

Chalisa 100 times. This is a triffle thing. This is because you have

not understood the concept of God..

 

God is the supreme power behind the functioning of this Cosmos. It is

an Energy, God has no physical form, no gender. God does not give you

anything nor takes away anything from you. God is not pleased by

worship or prayers and not displeased with you for no worship or no

prayers.

 

Every event of this Cosmos is due to the interaction of the existing

physical forces (Four Fundamental Forces of Nature). God has no

desires or plans connected to anything...God does not behave

according to anybody`s wishes...

 

Then why we experience good effects after pooja, worship, prayer,

good deeds, meditation, concentration etc...because by doing so...our

cells get recharged, our brain gets refreshed, our abilities get

improved and so on...These good acts are needed for the betterment of

your life...so go on doing these acts and get Divine Satisfaction...

 

Gee Waman

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It is natural, important and a sign of maturity, however, does it

really matter and how does that affect the way you behave towards

others and yourself?

 

Belief in god is not a virtue, Ravan was a believer and many others

are believers as well. luckily our thinking is not so boxed or

constrained. It is time to celebrate freedom of being and maturity

in responsibility. Hanuman as an archtype of strength and

intelligence has just given you a gift. be wise and respectful

towards it, not resentful. self explaining comes from mind and that

does not affect emotion and feeling which are much deeper parts of

psyche. Your feelings will override mental explanations as being

inconsequential and irrelevant. enjoy the freedom not everyone is so

lucky.

 

If god exists it really is his own business, our buisness is to take

care in our thoughts & actions and participate in awareness, Dhyan.

Ultimately view of direct knowledge of truth is key -

Pratyaksha anumana gama pramanani Yoga sutra 7

 

ravi bakhsi

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Hare Krishna

If I am not wrong, you must have recited Hanuman-chalisa, expecting

that God will fulfill your expectations, which didn't happened and

you started thinking like this.

Please be sure that what ever good or bad (according to our

imaginations) happens, is the result of our past deeds. It's the God

who manages not only this world but this entire universe and beyond.

There should not be any doubt in this.

 

Ashok Goenka

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

After reciting Hanuman Chalisa, the doubt about existence of God

came, right? There was something of a personal wish being asked to

fulfill, right? It is because of such wishes that doubt about its

getting fulfilled naturally arise, because in it there is more of a

desire to get something and whether or not I will get it, is hiding

by asking whether or not God is there, you see. It is trick of the

mind, recognize it as such!

If the belief in God is based on desire, then there is always doubt.

It is two sided coin, ask for one and the other comes, want it or

not. Check all your experiences. It has nothing to do with Hanuman

Chalisa path, please continue even more vigorously.

In the meantime, try to find what God really means. Once you

discover God even if provisionally first, belief in God with desire

to get something other than God will vanish. Then personal desires

will be replaced with requests asking for help acknowledging your

inability to handle it alone will take stronghold in you. That is

when and where doubts will be resolved, and belief will turn into

Trust, Shraddha, and ultimately you will know God!

Namaskar................Pratap Bhatt

 

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Dear Sadhak,

When you pray to Lord Sun after taking bath.Look to the Sun and

think that sun is the right eye and moon is the left eye.Offer

prayers to both of them.Then you think of the whole universe as the

body of God Do you believe that god exists everywhere in this

universe. Blood sugar is changes and it is accounted for.Similarly

all our actions are considered by God and we get its results in the

next birth This is the Karma Theory. When you are absorbed in the

recitation in the name of God and His image in your mind,you will

feel His influence on you.When Mirbai was singing songs of Lord

Krishna she was crying and sometimes looses her senses. This is the

feelings of God.The same was the case of Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu

of Bengal. It is a hard task to reach such stages. Have faith in God

who will come to you Read the miracles of God when he helped many

devotees narrated in our Hindu scriptures.

 

My best wishes to you all Sadhaks

 

Truly yours

 

Shanbkerprasad S Bhatt

 

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Please get yourself out of this question first?

 

Important is to know our self........first....

and to know whether we exist or not.....

Sushil Jain

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What is not God? Everything in this world is his creation. We

ourselves possess souls whose only goal is to unite with Parmatma.

Because we cannot see our soul or the Parmatma, we have doubts. We

cannot wish away the truth. It will take several births for us to

become one with Parmatma. Till then we have to practice sadhna,

sewa, satsang and meditation which will lead us to the right path.

Hari Shanker Deo

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