Guest guest Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 || Shree Hari || Ram Ram avyakto 'yam acintyo 'ya, avikaryo 'yam ucyate tasmad evam viditvainam, nanusocitum arhasi " This Atma is unmanifest, it is unthinkable: and it is spoken of as unchangeable. said to be unmanifested. Therefore, knowing It as such, you should not grieve. " Comment: The real nature of aspirant is unmanifest; but he considers himself to be manifest – this is his main mistake. The mistake of the aspirant is that looking at the visible body he believes to be real and invisible self to be unreal. To correct his mistake, there are three things for him to do: 1). The aspirant accepts his mistake that his understanding `the body is his real nature' is wrong. 2). The aspirant repents that being a spiritual aspirant, he has made such a mistake. 3). The aspirant makes a resolution that he will not make a such a mistake in the future. One can experience the self (consciousness) but it cannot be described. Whatever attempt is made to describe or to think about it, it is only describing the Prakriti (nature). But once Self is experienced then one becomes free of sorrow for ever. From Gita Prabodhani in Hindi pg. 34 by Swami Ramsukhdasji --------------------------- Chapter 2, Verse 25 is as follows; AvyaktaH = unmanifested / unseen Ayam = This (the Self, the Aatman) AchintyaH = inconceivable / unthinkable Ayam = This (the Self, the Aatman) AvikaaryaH = unchangeable / immutable Ayam = This (the Self, the Aatman) Uchyate = is said Tasmaat = therefore Evam = thus Viditvaa = having known Enam = This (the Self, the Aatman) Na = not Anushochitum = to grieve Arhasi = ought / should English translation:- This Atman is said to be unmanifested, inconceivable and immutable. Therefore, knowing This Atman as such, you should not grieve. It is very hard to conceive of an entity that cannot be perceived by the five standard sensory organs of a human being; which are eyes, ears, nose, tongue and skin. As per " ManaH ShashthaaNi IndriyaaNi " , it is Lord Krishna's invention that the mind should be considered as the sixth sensory organ. Although it is quite different from the sixth sense a girl / woman is supposed to possess. The four basic elements of Earth, Water, Fire and Air can be sensed. They seem to undergo modifications and therefore they are treated as `mutable' elements. However, the fifth basic element called `Aakaasha' i.e. the Space, even though can be perceived, it does not seem to undergo any modification and therefore it is treated as `thinkable' but `immutable'. The Earth is the grossest and the Space is the subtlest of the five basic elements. As you move from the grossest to the subtlest element, a grasping ability is lost in every transition, which is illustrated by the following tabular construct. Element GandhaH RasaH RupaH SparshaH ShabdaH (Smell) (Taste)(Vision) (Touch) (Vibration) Earth Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Water No Yes Yes Yes Yes Fire No No Yes Yes Yes Air No No No Yes Yes Space No No No No Yes Aatman No No No No No / Brahman When the five elements become subtle in a progressive manner, all of them lose their individual capacity to impinge themselves upon our sense perceptions. The space is sentient but we do not know its boundaries or its limits. It is like a limit tending to infinity in modern mathematics. On the other hand, the Aatman and the Brahman are the very concepts of `infinity' in mathematics. Anything manifest is something that we can perceive by our sense organs. Beyond that everything is unmanifest. The Self, the Aatman is beyond these five basic elements which are called as `Pancha Mahaabhootas'. Just like the Space, the Aatman does not deviate from its original state. The Self, the Aatman cannot be perceived by the standard five sensory organs and therefore it is treated to be `unthinkable' as well as `immutable'. The Aakaasha i.e. the Space is thinkable but not comprehensible in totality, while the Aatman is unthinkable and incomprehensible; however, in all other respects, they are treated to be identical. One cannot visualise, smell, hear, taste or touch a fully grown up tree in a mango seed and yet one understands by empirical evidence that such a mango seed is the very starting point of every blossoming mango tree in the future. Human mind and intellect cannot ruminate over and comprehend the Infinite Space as well as the Aatman. The Aatman is that enlivening principle, which energises the human mind and intellect, which by themselves are insentient. Therefore, it is but obvious that the mind and intellect cannot make the Self as an object of their comprehension. The Self is without any distinct parts because anything that has parts must have a definite form and shape i.e. it is finite in nature and it undergoes changes / mutations. The Self is Unmanifest, Unthinkable, Unchangeable and therefore Immutable. In fact, the Brahman, the superset of the Aatman is treated as the most essential part or the refined extract of all sentient beings and insentient objects everywhere in the Universe. The Brahman is omnipresent i.e. present everywhere simultaneously, omniscient i.e. knower of everything in the Universe, omnipotent i.e. having Supreme power and influence. " What the Brahman is like? It cannot be defined in words. One may be called upon to explain what the ocean is like, to a person who has never seen an ocean. The expounder can at best say, `It is a vast sheet of water'. Understanding the Brahman is a matter of `Anubhooti' i.e. realisation of the Self by the self for the benefit of the self. " ……Swami Ramakrishna. Lord Krishna advices Arjuna that having known this truth about the immutability of the Self, no need to grieve over anyone's death. Thanks & Best Regards, Shrikant Joshi =============================================================== || Shree Hari || Ram Ram All Sadhaks can and should contribute as well. Discussion / clarification is encouraged OTHER REQUESTS FROM SADHAKS - Please feel free to take the lead in any of these areas so that all sadhaks may benefit. - Introduction to Chapters (GT MODERATOR FROM SADHAK SANJIVANI) - Chapter Summary - Principles and Laws emanating from it.(N.B. VYAS) - Summary of Chapter from Sadhak Sanjivani " AS IS " - Yes, Epilogue / Important Facts in each verse good to bring out. - Any subtle thoughts / interpretation (MIKE) - In-depth explanation of " Om Tat Saditi Srimadbhagavadgitaasu, Upanishadsu..... " is a very good idea. (GT MODERATOR FROM SADHAK SANJIVANI) From Gita Talk Moderators Ram Ram ----------------------------- Shree Hari Ram Ram We deeply thank Shri Shrikantji Joshi for taking the initiative to support this divine work of daily one verse Bhagavad Gita explanation and Shri Madan Kauraji for the Gita Prabodhani translation Chapter 1 and 2 and to Mrs. K Asani for requesting shloka explanation on a daily basis. From Gita Talk Moderators Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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