Guest guest Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Dear Sadhakas, I understand different people in this group are in different stages of realization. For me i am detached with every thing.My mind is calm,my heart is in peace.When i read through your so many mails, i understand that i am in perfect synchronous with god. I am in touch with that higher self.I am 26yr old.What else is left for me after this. What indications, signs, indicators, symptoms that one can see, after attaining God. Does Gita state some specific indicators other than peace, detachment, calmness, perfect alignment and in touch with God? Thank You With Regards, Karnati Kiran ----------- GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE - FOR QUESTIONER 1. The questions as far as possible must be relavant to Gita, relavant to Dharma, relavant to other scriptures and relavant to motivate Sadhaks to take up spiritual path 2. The Questioner must commit to daily Gita study 3. Only one question at a time. 4. Question must be brief, to the point and relavant to the group's primary aim of deeper understanding of Gita. FOR RESPONDER 1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted. 2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible. 3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Be as concise, to the point, relevant and respectful of sadhaka's time. 5. Focus on subject at hand only. 6. Do not include links to the other sites. 7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc). 8. Do not personalize message 9. All responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting. 11. Take into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non- sectarian audience. i.e. limit the use to Sanskrit words only. Provide English word bracketed. MODERATOR Ram Ram ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- Post message: @grou ps.com Subscribe: - Un: -unsubscri be ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Dear Sadhakas, I understand different people in this group are in different stages of realization. For me i am detached with every thing.My mind is calm,my heart is in peace.When i read through your so many mails, i understand that i am in perfect synchronous with god. I am in touch with that higher self.I am 26yr old.What else is left for me after this. What indications, signs, symptoms that one can see, after attaining God. Does Gita state some specific indicators other than peace, detachment, calmness, perfect alignment and in touch with God? Thank You With Regards, Karnati Kiran ------------ NEW POSTING Hare Krishna That's very nice of you. Since you have reached such a point, I don't think you need any instruction. After attaining God Ramsukhdasji didn't looked any different than us. Difference is in the mental condition. He thought and worked for others. He did nothing for himself. If you have reached that stage, you should instruct us. Ashok Goenka ------------------ My dandavat pranams to all in this forum.... although I may be a great fool, I can occasionally recognize one who is more foolish than myself.....there aren't too many, as i am truly a fallen jiva, unable to fathom when the mercy of the Lord will fall on me. In response to Karnati, do you know the story of Narada Muni, telling first Lord Siva, and then Visnu, that he had conquered cupid? Lord Siva warned him, " do not say this again to anyone else " .....but Narada Muni did not listen. So, a very beautiful pastime ensued, wherein Narada fell in love with Laksmi, went to her svaryamvar, where she was to choose her husband......and knew not why the goddess and everyone else looked at him with disgust. She chose Visnu as her mate, but then, Narada happened to catch sight of his complextion in a pool of water....he had been transformed into having the face of a monkey!!! So, my dear girl, in the same way that Narada Muni challenged the power of the Lord,and was humiliated you will find very soon, that youth has a way of coating the jiva with pride....and until you have crossed that boundary, you are absolutely NOT a yogi. My dandavat pranams. Mahalaksmi Dasi ------------------------ Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! If what Kiranji says is his genuine experience, then just sit back, relax and enjoy the ride, you are in the hands of perfect Charioteer (Saarathi) on this journey! You can verify doubts, if any, by reading Gita. However, since you ask about some indicators, signs, symptoms from Gita to confirm, there may be some lingering doubts which may be removed by constant satsang, and obtaining clarifications from Realized one like Swamiji! Truth keeps coming acoss you from all directions with your kind of a mind-set, and everytime you say YES to It, you will receive! Just go deep within more and more, I am sure you will discover hidden gems! Don't let the flame extinguish, you may see more on the way. You will see that " I am in touch with that Higher self " (as you say) will be discovered to be YOURSELF standing ALONE! True " YOU " and higher Self are ONE, not two! Sadhakas best wishes are with you! Namaskar............ Pratap Bhatt ---------------------- Karnati Kiran says he is in complete peace and calm, that he is detached from everything he does and thinks, and that he is perfect synchronization with God and in touch with higher self. If he continues that way he will himself get answers to all the questions he has raised. He need not worry about the further symptoms / indicators to lose his peace. he can only search for the answers to his questions from within. And, for this he needs to only concentrate on thinking about God and remove his ego ( he still seeks answers to questions as if they are his own). He is a blessed person. Basudeb Sen -------------- First of all a person is serene peace with himself - what is the use of that person to the society. it is something like you possess a super weapon and you are not willing to wage a lawful legitimate war. Peace can come from two totally different things. the superior one is like krishna, in the midst of war of the civilization, un willing and deliberately foregoing the chance to take up arms, fully in cognizance of the destruction that was going to be caused and fully accepting and in some ways conducting the same, -- and still not perturbed even an iota by the blood shed around him -- not because he was stony hearted, but he knew and accepted it fully. The bad one is from tamas, not doing anything. just accepting whatever comes ones way. not caring one way or another for any brickbats or aspiring for anything. peace can be yours too. Some times the second man is mistaken for a yogi. i am not saying that your peace is of the second nature above. it is just a description. Now to your question what next, what did krishna do ? when he was considered " yogeshwar " by such exalted souls like Bhishma ? did he sit idly ? who asked him to get entangled in bharatha war ? why he could not have settled himself in his small kingdom ? why did he get embroiled in it ? What is your swadharma ? did you go by it ? And Finally WAIT. The mother nature has answers for you Siva ------------ Dear Sadhak Please read Gita Mahatmaya and even after becoming yogi you will seek almighty God and there are no further births and deaths and you finally seek Salvation,liberation, nirvana or god realization This is a short reply Truly yours S S Bhatt ----------------------- ----------- GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE - FOR QUESTIONER 1. The questions as far as possible must be relavant to Gita, relavant to Dharma, relavant to other scriptures and relavant to motivate Sadhaks to take up spiritual path 2. The Questioner must commit to daily Gita study 3. Only one question at a time. 4. Question must be brief, to the point and relavant to the group's primary aim of deeper understanding of Gita. FOR RESPONDER 1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted. 2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible. 3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Be as concise, to the point, relevant and respectful of sadhaka's time. 5. Focus on subject at hand only. 6. Do not include links to the other sites. 7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc). 8. Do not personalize message 9. All responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting. 11. Take into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non- sectarian audience. i.e. limit the use to Sanskrit words only. Provide English word bracketed. MODERATOR Ram Ram ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- Post message: @grou ps.com Subscribe: - Un: -unsubscri be ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Dear Sadhakas, I understand different people in this group are in different stages of realization. For me i am detached with every thing.My mind is calm,my heart is in peace.When i read through your so many mails, i understand that i am in perfect synchronous with god. I am in touch with that higher self.I am 26yr old.What else is left for me after this. What indications, signs, symptoms that one can see, after attaining God. Does Gita state some specific indicators other than peace, detachment, calmness, perfect alignment and in touch with God? Thank You With Regards, Karnati Kiran ------------ NEW POSTING Jai Hanuman Sadhak Karnatiji ! Once a listener asked Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj - Sir, I want to have a Guru. Please refer name of the best Guru for me. The Realised Mahatma smiled and stated: I have not understood your request. The person repeated what he spoke earlier. The Great Mahatma told- I am not talking about your words.I have understood words spoken by you. I am telling that I have not understood sense behind what you stated. If you state that I am the person who is capable to judge and tell you the name of the best person according to me (Guru) for you, does not it mean that I am better than him? How then he can be the best? Do you get me, Sadhak Karnatiji ? Namaste Jee Jee Jee Shashikala --------------------------- Contemplate on questions " what is left for whom? " , who is awaiting the symptoms, who wants to see and what? who attained God? Expression, expansion, creation could flows out........in that state....... or could be nothing........ Sushil Jain --------------------------- Dear Karnati Kiran, Honestly after thoroughly investigating within yourself please tell why you have written that you are 26 years old. you are perfect synchronous, just because all sadaks are talking about the same Parabhraman in different view. They are not talking of 2 different Gods. Jai Sri Krishna B.Sathyanarayan --------------------------- -Shree Hari- To clarify a point, is being a Yogi a means to an end not an end in itself? Dear Karnati Kiran, Have you reached and moved beyond the stages mentioned in Holy Gita Ch. 18: 72. Has this been heard with one-pointed mind, Arjuna? Has the delusion of your ignorance been fully routed out, Dhananjaya? 73. Routed out is my illusion as I have gained my memory (knowledge) through your grace, Krishna! I am firm; my doubts are gone. I will act according to your word. Do you remember? If so keep chopping wood and carrying water, be humble. What can I say? With Respect and Divine Love, Mike (Keenor). ----------------------------- If you are in touch with the higher Self then what more indications, signs or symptoms do you need ? All of us are on the same path but have not reached the destination. It will take several births. It took Buddha a hundred births to become the Buddha. You are indeed very lucky to have achieved it in one birth. Congratulations. You should guide us instead as to how you attained nirvanna or moksha. Do share your experiences. Hari Shanker Deo ------------ PRIOR POSTING Hare Krishna That's very nice of you. Since you have reached such a point, I don't think you need any instruction. After attaining God Ramsukhdasji didn't looked any different than us. Difference is in the mental condition. He thought and worked for others. He did nothing for himself. If you have reached that stage, you should instruct us. Ashok Goenka ------------------ My dandavat pranams to all in this forum.... although I may be a great fool, I can occasionally recognize one who is more foolish than myself.....there aren't too many, as i am truly a fallen jiva, unable to fathom when the mercy of the Lord will fall on me. In response to Karnati, do you know the story of Narada Muni, telling first Lord Siva, and then Visnu, that he had conquered cupid? Lord Siva warned him, " do not say this again to anyone else " .....but Narada Muni did not listen. So, a very beautiful pastime ensued, wherein Narada fell in love with Laksmi, went to her svaryamvar, where she was to choose her husband......and knew not why the goddess and everyone else looked at him with disgust. She chose Visnu as her mate, but then, Narada happened to catch sight of his complextion in a pool of water....he had been transformed into having the face of a monkey!!! So, my dear girl, in the same way that Narada Muni challenged the power of the Lord,and was humiliated you will find very soon, that youth has a way of coating the jiva with pride....and until you have crossed that boundary, you are absolutely NOT a yogi. My dandavat pranams. Mahalaksmi Dasi ------------------------ Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! If what Kiranji says is his genuine experience, then just sit back, relax and enjoy the ride, you are in the hands of perfect Charioteer (Saarathi) on this journey! You can verify doubts, if any, by reading Gita. However, since you ask about some indicators, signs, symptoms from Gita to confirm, there may be some lingering doubts which may be removed by constant satsang, and obtaining clarifications from Realized one like Swamiji! Truth keeps coming acoss you from all directions with your kind of a mind-set, and everytime you say YES to It, you will receive! Just go deep within more and more, I am sure you will discover hidden gems! Don't let the flame extinguish, you may see more on the way. You will see that " I am in touch with that Higher self " (as you say) will be discovered to be YOURSELF standing ALONE! True " YOU " and higher Self are ONE, not two! Sadhakas best wishes are with you! Namaskar............ Pratap Bhatt ---------------------- Karnati Kiran says he is in complete peace and calm, that he is detached from everything he does and thinks, and that he is perfect synchronization with God and in touch with higher self. If he continues that way he will himself get answers to all the questions he has raised. He need not worry about the further symptoms / indicators to lose his peace. he can only search for the answers to his questions from within. And, for this he needs to only concentrate on thinking about God and remove his ego ( he still seeks answers to questions as if they are his own). He is a blessed person. Basudeb Sen -------------- First of all a person is serene peace with himself - what is the use of that person to the society. it is something like you possess a super weapon and you are not willing to wage a lawful legitimate war. Peace can come from two totally different things. the superior one is like krishna, in the midst of war of the civilization, un willing and deliberately foregoing the chance to take up arms, fully in cognizance of the destruction that was going to be caused and fully accepting and in some ways conducting the same, -- and still not perturbed even an iota by the blood shed around him -- not because he was stony hearted, but he knew and accepted it fully. The bad one is from tamas, not doing anything. just accepting whatever comes ones way. not caring one way or another for any brickbats or aspiring for anything. peace can be yours too. Some times the second man is mistaken for a yogi. i am not saying that your peace is of the second nature above. it is just a description. Now to your question what next, what did krishna do ? when he was considered " yogeshwar " by such exalted souls like Bhishma ? did he sit idly ? who asked him to get entangled in bharatha war ? why he could not have settled himself in his small kingdom ? why did he get embroiled in it ? What is your swadharma ? did you go by it ? And Finally WAIT. The mother nature has answers for you Siva ------------ Dear Sadhak Please read Gita Mahatmaya and even after becoming yogi you will seek almighty God and there are no further births and deaths and you finally seek Salvation,liberation, nirvana or god realization This is a short reply Truly yours S S Bhatt ----------------------- ----------- GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE - FOR QUESTIONER 1. The questions as far as possible must be relavant to Gita, relavant to Dharma, relavant to other scriptures and relavant to motivate Sadhaks to take up spiritual path 2. The Questioner must commit to daily Gita study 3. Only one question at a time. 4. Question must be brief, to the point and relavant to the group's primary aim of deeper understanding of Gita. FOR RESPONDER 1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted. 2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible. 3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Be as concise, to the point, relevant and respectful of sadhaka's time. 5. Focus on subject at hand only. 6. Do not include links to the other sites. 7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc). 8. Do not personalize message 9. All responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting. 11. Take into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non- sectarian audience. i.e. limit the use to Sanskrit words only. Provide English word bracketed. MODERATOR Ram Ram ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- Post message: @grou ps.com Subscribe: - Un: -unsubscri be ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 SHREE HARI Ram Ram A few extra emails today... clearing up pending queue. From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram ------------------------------ Dear Sadhakas, I understand different people in this group are in different stages of realization. For me i am detached with every thing.My mind is calm,my heart is in peace.When i read through your so many mails, i understand that i am in perfect synchronous with god. I am in touch with that higher self.I am 26yr old.What else is left for me after this. What indications, signs, symptoms that one can see, after attaining God. Does Gita state some specific indicators other than peace, detachment, calmness, perfect alignment and in touch with God? Thank You With Regards, Karnati Kiran ------------ NEW POSTING Dear Friend I would like to hear more about your experience and your process/journey. As desired by you,Some of the indications,signs & symptoms on attaining God may be as under :- 1)Gita 18:73 -Gata Sandeha He is past doubt.Actions,thoughts and feelings are spontaneous and he is never in doubt. 2)Gita 18:61 -Sarva Bhutanam God resides in heart of every being.He feels presence of God in everyone.For him all are same and equal intrinsically.The difference is outwardly and superfluous as every being are on the path of God realization and will reach there sooner or later. 3) His peace is very deep & indestructible-Parma Shanty 4)He is always connected with God .Gita 13:22,Parmatmeti Chapyukto 5)He has surrendered to God completely 18:62,18:66 6)Tat Prasada-18:62,He experiences Grace of God. 7)Soul is Omnipresent,permanent and motionless 2:24 8)His actions are desireless or he has no desire,aspirations. regards Ashok Jain ---------------------------- Dear Sadak, Thus says a sadak Sri Mahalakshmiji-- " Mahalaksmi Dasi youth has a way of coating the jiva with pride....and until you have crossed that boundary, you are absolutely NOT a yogi " God shows benovolence, Karuniyam, abundant love on us in spite of neglecting HIM. That is way we also have to be atleast very little of that. If a child asks, " Can I see God " . Our immediate reply to be " very much YES " . May be child next asks How etc etc. For that we may reply managingly. The first answer " Yes " is the encouragement, confidence, interest, and eagerness to know more about God. The blunt answer " NO " and further saying it is difficult to cross boundaries with dipress the sadak Kiran (May be not Kiran exactly). If Paramathuma sankals Kiran can become Yogi. Let all of us be benovolent, Karuniya, to the extent possible. Puran shows even to an enemy one should be kind. Pardon me Madam for this statement. Jai Sri Krishna B.Sathyanarayan ------------------------------ Dear Yogi Ji, Jai Shri Krishna How you come to know you are in perfect synchronous with God?. What is the definition of a Yogi? Read Shri Gita first and follow it, then there shall be no explanation from your end that I am 26....I am yogi...Let others say.. Let God Say. Hare Krishna Mahesh Sharma ---------------------- PRIOR POSTING Jai Hanuman Sadhak Karnatiji ! Once a listener asked Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj - Sir, I want to have a Guru. Please refer name of the best Guru for me. The Realised Mahatma smiled and stated: I have not understood your request. The person repeated what he spoke earlier. The Great Mahatma told- I am not talking about your words.I have understood words spoken by you. I am telling that I have not understood sense behind what you stated. If you state that I am the person who is capable to judge and tell you the name of the best person according to me (Guru) for you, does not it mean that I am better than him? How then he can be the best? Do you get me, Sadhak Karnatiji ? Namaste Jee Jee Jee Shashikala --------------------------- Contemplate on questions " what is left for whom? " , who is awaiting the symptoms, who wants to see and what? who attained God? Expression, expansion, creation could flows out........in that state....... or could be nothing........ Sushil Jain --------------------------- Dear Karnati Kiran, Honestly after thoroughly investigating within yourself please tell why you have written that you are 26 years old. you are perfect synchronous, just because all sadaks are talking about the same Parabhraman in different view. They are not talking of 2 different Gods. Jai Sri Krishna B.Sathyanarayan --------------------------- -Shree Hari- To clarify a point, is being a Yogi a means to an end not an end in itself? Dear Karnati Kiran, Have you reached and moved beyond the stages mentioned in Holy Gita Ch. 18: 72. Has this been heard with one-pointed mind, Arjuna? Has the delusion of your ignorance been fully routed out, Dhananjaya? 73. Routed out is my illusion as I have gained my memory (knowledge) through your grace, Krishna! I am firm; my doubts are gone. I will act according to your word. Do you remember? If so keep chopping wood and carrying water, be humble. What can I say? With Respect and Divine Love, Mike (Keenor). ----------------------------- If you are in touch with the higher Self then what more indications, signs or symptoms do you need ? All of us are on the same path but have not reached the destination. It will take several births. It took Buddha a hundred births to become the Buddha. You are indeed very lucky to have achieved it in one birth. Congratulations. You should guide us instead as to how you attained nirvanna or moksha. Do share your experiences. Hari Shanker Deo ------------ PRIOR POSTING Hare Krishna That's very nice of you. Since you have reached such a point, I don't think you need any instruction. After attaining God Ramsukhdasji didn't looked any different than us. Difference is in the mental condition. He thought and worked for others. He did nothing for himself. If you have reached that stage, you should instruct us. Ashok Goenka ------------------ My dandavat pranams to all in this forum.... although I may be a great fool, I can occasionally recognize one who is more foolish than myself.....there aren't too many, as i am truly a fallen jiva, unable to fathom when the mercy of the Lord will fall on me. In response to Karnati, do you know the story of Narada Muni, telling first Lord Siva, and then Visnu, that he had conquered cupid? Lord Siva warned him, " do not say this again to anyone else " .....but Narada Muni did not listen. So, a very beautiful pastime ensued, wherein Narada fell in love with Laksmi, went to her svaryamvar, where she was to choose her husband......and knew not why the goddess and everyone else looked at him with disgust. She chose Visnu as her mate, but then, Narada happened to catch sight of his complextion in a pool of water....he had been transformed into having the face of a monkey!!! So, my dear girl, in the same way that Narada Muni challenged the power of the Lord,and was humiliated you will find very soon, that youth has a way of coating the jiva with pride....and until you have crossed that boundary, you are absolutely NOT a yogi. My dandavat pranams. Mahalaksmi Dasi ------------------------ Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! If what Kiranji says is his genuine experience, then just sit back, relax and enjoy the ride, you are in the hands of perfect Charioteer (Saarathi) on this journey! You can verify doubts, if any, by reading Gita. However, since you ask about some indicators, signs, symptoms from Gita to confirm, there may be some lingering doubts which may be removed by constant satsang, and obtaining clarifications from Realized one like Swamiji! Truth keeps coming acoss you from all directions with your kind of a mind-set, and everytime you say YES to It, you will receive! Just go deep within more and more, I am sure you will discover hidden gems! Don't let the flame extinguish, you may see more on the way. You will see that " I am in touch with that Higher self " (as you say) will be discovered to be YOURSELF standing ALONE! True " YOU " and higher Self are ONE, not two! Sadhakas best wishes are with you! Namaskar............ Pratap Bhatt ---------------------- Karnati Kiran says he is in complete peace and calm, that he is detached from everything he does and thinks, and that he is perfect synchronization with God and in touch with higher self. If he continues that way he will himself get answers to all the questions he has raised. He need not worry about the further symptoms / indicators to lose his peace. he can only search for the answers to his questions from within. And, for this he needs to only concentrate on thinking about God and remove his ego ( he still seeks answers to questions as if they are his own). He is a blessed person. Basudeb Sen -------------- First of all a person is serene peace with himself - what is the use of that person to the society. it is something like you possess a super weapon and you are not willing to wage a lawful legitimate war. Peace can come from two totally different things. the superior one is like krishna, in the midst of war of the civilization, un willing and deliberately foregoing the chance to take up arms, fully in cognizance of the destruction that was going to be caused and fully accepting and in some ways conducting the same, -- and still not perturbed even an iota by the blood shed around him -- not because he was stony hearted, but he knew and accepted it fully. The bad one is from tamas, not doing anything. just accepting whatever comes ones way. not caring one way or another for any brickbats or aspiring for anything. peace can be yours too. Some times the second man is mistaken for a yogi. i am not saying that your peace is of the second nature above. it is just a description. Now to your question what next, what did krishna do ? when he was considered " yogeshwar " by such exalted souls like Bhishma ? did he sit idly ? who asked him to get entangled in bharatha war ? why he could not have settled himself in his small kingdom ? why did he get embroiled in it ? What is your swadharma ? did you go by it ? And Finally WAIT. The mother nature has answers for you Siva ------------ Dear Sadhak Please read Gita Mahatmaya and even after becoming yogi you will seek almighty God and there are no further births and deaths and you finally seek Salvation,liberation, nirvana or god realization This is a short reply Truly yours S S Bhatt ----------------------- ----------- GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE - FOR QUESTIONER 1. The questions as far as possible must be relavant to Gita, relavant to Dharma, relavant to other scriptures and relavant to motivate Sadhaks to take up spiritual path 2. The Questioner must commit to daily Gita study 3. Only one question at a time. 4. Question must be brief, to the point and relavant to the group's primary aim of deeper understanding of Gita. FOR RESPONDER 1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted. 2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible. 3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Be as concise, to the point, relevant and respectful of sadhaka's time. 5. Focus on subject at hand only. 6. Do not include links to the other sites. 7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc). 8. Do not personalize message 9. All responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting. 11. Take into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non- sectarian audience. i.e. limit the use to Sanskrit words only. Provide English word bracketed. MODERATOR Ram Ram ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- Post message: @grou ps.com Subscribe: - Un: -unsubscri be ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 SHREE HARI Ram Ram A few extra emails today... clearing up pending queue. From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram ------------------------------ Dear Sadhakas, I understand different people in this group are in different stages of realization. For me i am detached with every thing.My mind is calm,my heart is in peace.When i read through your so many mails, i understand that i am in perfect synchronous with god. I am in touch with that higher self.I am 26yr old.What else is left for me after this. What indications, signs, symptoms that one can see, after attaining God. Does Gita state some specific indicators other than peace, detachment, calmness, perfect alignment and in touch with God? Thank You With Regards, Karnati Kiran ------------ NEW POSTING Shree Hari || Ram Ram || Dear Sadhak, Congratulations on your grand achievement at such an early age! The question naturally comes, how were you able to accomplish this at this young age, pls. guide us, and be kind to give some tips so that we can follow. May be for you, the homework was already done in the previous life!. Pls. forgive me for bringing up a word of caution! I hope I am wrong in my judgment. For a person who truly attains the Supreme, at that state of evolution, who is left there to say that " I " have accomplished it? Supposing we have a cup which we fill with water up to the brim, we can say the cup is completely full. But when we drown the cup in the ocean, the cup is also full, it has water on all of the sides, the cup has lost its identity. The different rivers entering the ocean have names and some special features, an unique distinction about them but after merging with ocean there is no distinction left any more. We cannot use the same yard stick as we normally use for the worldly success. On being successful in worldly affairs, we make a definite point to tell everyone we know, they get impressed, giving a big boost to our ego, which may become an another issue to deal with. Generally, when someone asks a highly evolved saint or a self realized soul - have they realized God? Or how far along they are in their spiritual journey, they will hesitate to respond. || Ram Ram || Humble regards, Madan Kaura -------------- Are you in touch with your higher self or have you awakened fully to your higher self and thus discarded the ego? " Lift up the self by the Self And do not let the self droop down. For the Self is the self's only friend And the self is the Self's only foe. " - Sri Krishna (from The Bhagavad Gita) Ben ------------- Dear 26 year old Sadhak, Namaskar, you said that you are in perfect synchronous with god. You are in touch with that higher self. And you are asking what else is left for you after this and What indications, signs, symptoms that one can see, after attaining God. My dear, you are under a great illusion...whatever you feel is not true. For one reason, I can say...persons who go so close to God, do not declare so and do not ask what is left for them to achieve... they simply enjoy the bliss ... ....Gee Waman ------------- PRIOR POSTING Dear Friend I would like to hear more about your experience and your process/journey. As desired by you,Some of the indications,signs & symptoms on attaining God may be as under :- 1)Gita 18:73 -Gata Sandeha He is past doubt.Actions,thoughts and feelings are spontaneous and he is never in doubt. 2)Gita 18:61 -Sarva Bhutanam God resides in heart of every being.He feels presence of God in everyone.For him all are same and equal intrinsically.The difference is outwardly and superfluous as every being are on the path of God realization and will reach there sooner or later. 3) His peace is very deep & indestructible-Parma Shanty 4)He is always connected with God .Gita 13:22,Parmatmeti Chapyukto 5)He has surrendered to God completely 18:62,18:66 6)Tat Prasada-18:62,He experiences Grace of God. 7)Soul is Omnipresent,permanent and motionless 2:24 8)His actions are desireless or he has no desire,aspirations. regards Ashok Jain ---------------------------- Dear Sadak, Thus says a sadak Sri Mahalakshmiji-- " Mahalaksmi Dasi youth has a way of coating the jiva with pride....and until you have crossed that boundary, you are absolutely NOT a yogi " God shows benovolence, Karuniyam, abundant love on us in spite of neglecting HIM. That is way we also have to be atleast very little of that. If a child asks, " Can I see God " . Our immediate reply to be " very much YES " . May be child next asks How etc etc. For that we may reply managingly. The first answer " Yes " is the encouragement, confidence, interest, and eagerness to know more about God. The blunt answer " NO " and further saying it is difficult to cross boundaries with dipress the sadak Kiran (May be not Kiran exactly). If Paramathuma sankals Kiran can become Yogi. Let all of us be benovolent, Karuniya, to the extent possible. Puran shows even to an enemy one should be kind. Pardon me Madam for this statement. Jai Sri Krishna B.Sathyanarayan ------------------------------ Dear Yogi Ji, Jai Shri Krishna How you come to know you are in perfect synchronous with God?. What is the definition of a Yogi? Read Shri Gita first and follow it, then there shall be no explanation from your end that I am 26....I am yogi...Let others say.. Let God Say. Hare Krishna Mahesh Sharma ---------------------- PRIOR POSTING Jai Hanuman Sadhak Karnatiji ! Once a listener asked Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj - Sir, I want to have a Guru. Please refer name of the best Guru for me. The Realised Mahatma smiled and stated: I have not understood your request. The person repeated what he spoke earlier. The Great Mahatma told- I am not talking about your words.I have understood words spoken by you. I am telling that I have not understood sense behind what you stated. If you state that I am the person who is capable to judge and tell you the name of the best person according to me (Guru) for you, does not it mean that I am better than him? How then he can be the best? Do you get me, Sadhak Karnatiji ? Namaste Jee Jee Jee Shashikala --------------------------- Contemplate on questions " what is left for whom? " , who is awaiting the symptoms, who wants to see and what? who attained God? Expression, expansion, creation could flows out........in that state....... or could be nothing........ Sushil Jain --------------------------- Dear Karnati Kiran, Honestly after thoroughly investigating within yourself please tell why you have written that you are 26 years old. you are perfect synchronous, just because all sadaks are talking about the same Parabhraman in different view. They are not talking of 2 different Gods. Jai Sri Krishna B.Sathyanarayan --------------------------- -Shree Hari- To clarify a point, is being a Yogi a means to an end not an end in itself? Dear Karnati Kiran, Have you reached and moved beyond the stages mentioned in Holy Gita Ch. 18: 72. Has this been heard with one-pointed mind, Arjuna? Has the delusion of your ignorance been fully routed out, Dhananjaya? 73. Routed out is my illusion as I have gained my memory (knowledge) through your grace, Krishna! I am firm; my doubts are gone. I will act according to your word. Do you remember? If so keep chopping wood and carrying water, be humble. What can I say? With Respect and Divine Love, Mike (Keenor). ----------------------------- If you are in touch with the higher Self then what more indications, signs or symptoms do you need ? All of us are on the same path but have not reached the destination. It will take several births. It took Buddha a hundred births to become the Buddha. You are indeed very lucky to have achieved it in one birth. Congratulations. You should guide us instead as to how you attained nirvanna or moksha. Do share your experiences. Hari Shanker Deo ------------ PRIOR POSTING Hare Krishna That's very nice of you. Since you have reached such a point, I don't think you need any instruction. After attaining God Ramsukhdasji didn't looked any different than us. Difference is in the mental condition. He thought and worked for others. He did nothing for himself. If you have reached that stage, you should instruct us. Ashok Goenka ------------------ My dandavat pranams to all in this forum.... although I may be a great fool, I can occasionally recognize one who is more foolish than myself.....there aren't too many, as i am truly a fallen jiva, unable to fathom when the mercy of the Lord will fall on me. In response to Karnati, do you know the story of Narada Muni, telling first Lord Siva, and then Visnu, that he had conquered cupid? Lord Siva warned him, " do not say this again to anyone else " .....but Narada Muni did not listen. So, a very beautiful pastime ensued, wherein Narada fell in love with Laksmi, went to her svaryamvar, where she was to choose her husband......and knew not why the goddess and everyone else looked at him with disgust. She chose Visnu as her mate, but then, Narada happened to catch sight of his complextion in a pool of water....he had been transformed into having the face of a monkey!!! So, my dear girl, in the same way that Narada Muni challenged the power of the Lord,and was humiliated you will find very soon, that youth has a way of coating the jiva with pride....and until you have crossed that boundary, you are absolutely NOT a yogi. My dandavat pranams. Mahalaksmi Dasi ------------------------ Dear Sadhakas, Namaste! If what Kiranji says is his genuine experience, then just sit back, relax and enjoy the ride, you are in the hands of perfect Charioteer (Saarathi) on this journey! You can verify doubts, if any, by reading Gita. However, since you ask about some indicators, signs, symptoms from Gita to confirm, there may be some lingering doubts which may be removed by constant satsang, and obtaining clarifications from Realized one like Swamiji! Truth keeps coming acoss you from all directions with your kind of a mind-set, and everytime you say YES to It, you will receive! Just go deep within more and more, I am sure you will discover hidden gems! Don't let the flame extinguish, you may see more on the way. You will see that " I am in touch with that Higher self " (as you say) will be discovered to be YOURSELF standing ALONE! True " YOU " and higher Self are ONE, not two! Sadhakas best wishes are with you! Namaskar............ Pratap Bhatt ---------------------- Karnati Kiran says he is in complete peace and calm, that he is detached from everything he does and thinks, and that he is perfect synchronization with God and in touch with higher self. If he continues that way he will himself get answers to all the questions he has raised. He need not worry about the further symptoms / indicators to lose his peace. he can only search for the answers to his questions from within. And, for this he needs to only concentrate on thinking about God and remove his ego ( he still seeks answers to questions as if they are his own). He is a blessed person. Basudeb Sen -------------- First of all a person is serene peace with himself - what is the use of that person to the society. it is something like you possess a super weapon and you are not willing to wage a lawful legitimate war. Peace can come from two totally different things. the superior one is like krishna, in the midst of war of the civilization, un willing and deliberately foregoing the chance to take up arms, fully in cognizance of the destruction that was going to be caused and fully accepting and in some ways conducting the same, -- and still not perturbed even an iota by the blood shed around him -- not because he was stony hearted, but he knew and accepted it fully. The bad one is from tamas, not doing anything. just accepting whatever comes ones way. not caring one way or another for any brickbats or aspiring for anything. peace can be yours too. Some times the second man is mistaken for a yogi. i am not saying that your peace is of the second nature above. it is just a description. Now to your question what next, what did krishna do ? when he was considered " yogeshwar " by such exalted souls like Bhishma ? did he sit idly ? who asked him to get entangled in bharatha war ? why he could not have settled himself in his small kingdom ? why did he get embroiled in it ? What is your swadharma ? did you go by it ? And Finally WAIT. The mother nature has answers for you Siva ------------ Dear Sadhak Please read Gita Mahatmaya and even after becoming yogi you will seek almighty God and there are no further births and deaths and you finally seek Salvation,liberation, nirvana or god realization This is a short reply Truly yours S S Bhatt ----------------------- ----------- GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE - FOR QUESTIONER 1. The questions as far as possible must be relavant to Gita, relavant to Dharma, relavant to other scriptures and relavant to motivate Sadhaks to take up spiritual path 2. The Questioner must commit to daily Gita study 3. Only one question at a time. 4. Question must be brief, to the point and relavant to the group's primary aim of deeper understanding of Gita. FOR RESPONDER 1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted. 2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible. 3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas 4. Be as concise, to the point, relevant and respectful of sadhaka's time. 5. Focus on subject at hand only. 6. Do not include links to the other sites. 7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc). 8. Do not personalize message 9. All responses may not be posted. 10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting. 11. 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Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 SHREE HARIRam RamA few extra emails today... clearing up pending queue.From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram------------------------------Dear Sadhakas,I understand different people in this group arein different stages of realization. For me i am detached with everything.My mind is calm,my heart is in peace.When i read through yourso many mails, i understand that i am in perfect synchronous withgod. I am in touch with that higher self.I am 26yr old.What else isleft for me after this. What indications, signs, symptoms that onecan see, after attaining God.Does Gita state some specific indicators other than peace,detachment, calmness, perfect alignment and in touch with God?Thank YouWith Regards,Karnati Kiran------------NEW POSTING -Shree Hari-Karnatiji,I will keep this brief, as there is a sense of urgency in my soul to type this.Three Greek words, borrowed by the Desert Fathers, to describe the process ofthe path to GOD.Step 1 Arcadia, (being at peace with the world to feel the call).Step 2 Apathea, (Very calm quieten of the mind, but the turbulence beneath the calmness can erupt, one should be ever vigilant, and pass on through).Step 2 Agape (pronounced agopay). (Divine Love to embrace The Beloved.....).Where are you? To stay firmly fixed in peace, and not to move on, is as one monk put it, "Is the shortest route to Hell'.Karnatiji, look at your reactions to what I have written to gauge where you are.This I have written in the Spirit of Agape.With Respect and Divine Love,Mike (Keenor). ----- Dear Kiran I am glad to see your expression of your mental state. You suggested that you derived your mental state of calm / quite etc from the discussion of this forum. Please do share your experiences / examples with all of us on your perception of detachmet, quiteness and calmness for the benefit of all of us. Bless you with whole-heart. Before closing: Did you come across any situation in life when common man loses his balance of mind? Let us know about such situation and your reaction. RegardsVenu Komanduri ------------ PRIOR POSTINGShree Hari|| Ram Ram ||Dear Sadhak,Congratulations on your grand achievement at such an early age! The questionnaturally comes, how were you able to accomplish this at this young age, pls.guide us, and be kind to give some tips so that we can follow. May be for you,the homework was already done in the previous life!.Pls. forgive me for bringing up a word of caution! I hope I am wrong in myjudgment. For a person who truly attains the Supreme, at that state ofevolution, who is left there to say that "I" have accomplished it?Supposing we have a cup which we fill with water up to the brim, we can say thecup is completely full. But when we drown the cup in the ocean, the cup is alsofull, it has water on all of the sides, the cup has lost its identity. Thedifferent rivers entering the ocean have names and some special features, anunique distinction about them but after merging with ocean there is nodistinction left any more.We cannot use the same yard stick as we normally use for the worldly success. Onbeing successful in worldly affairs, we make a definite point to tell everyonewe know, they get impressed, giving a big boost to our ego, which may become ananother issue to deal with.Generally, when someone asks a highly evolved saint or a self realized soul -have they realized God? Or how far along they are in their spiritual journey,they will hesitate to respond.|| Ram Ram ||Humble regards,Madan Kaura--------------Are you in touch with your higher self or have you awakened fully to your higherself and thus discarded the ego?"Lift up the self by the Self And do not let the self droop down. For the Selfis the self's only friend And the self is the Self's only foe." - Sri Krishna(from The Bhagavad Gita)Ben-------------Dear 26 year old Sadhak, Namaskar,you said that you are in perfect synchronous withgod. You are in touch with that higher self. And you are asking what else isleft for you after this and What indications, signs, symptoms that one can see,after attaining God.My dear, you are under a great illusion...whatever you feel is not true. For onereason, I can say...persons who go so close to God, do not declare so and do notask what is left for them to achieve... they simply enjoy the bliss ......Gee Waman-------------PRIOR POSTINGDear FriendI would like to hear more about your experience and yourprocess/journey.As desired by you,Some of the indications,signs & symptomson attaining God may be as under :-1)Gita 18:73 -Gata SandehaHe is past doubt.Actions,thoughts and feelings are spontaneous andhe is never in doubt.2)Gita 18:61 -Sarva BhutanamGod resides in heart of every being.He feels presence of God ineveryone.For him all are same and equalintrinsically.The difference is outwardly and superfluous as everybeing are on the path of God realizationand will reach there sooner or later.3) His peace is very deep & indestructible-Parma Shanty4)He is always connected with God .Gita 13:22,Parmatmeti Chapyukto5)He has surrendered to God completely 18:62,18:666)Tat Prasada-18:62,He experiences Grace of God.7)Soul is Omnipresent,permanent and motionless 2:248)His actions are desireless or he has no desire,aspirations.regardsAshok Jain----------------------------Dear Sadak,Thus says a sadak Sri Mahalakshmiji--"Mahalaksmi Dasi youth has a way of coatingthe jiva with pride....and until you have crossed that boundary, you areabsolutely NOT a yogi"God shows benovolence, Karuniyam, abundant love on us in spite of neglectingHIM. That is way we also have to be atleast very little of that. If a childasks, "Can I see God". Our immediate reply to be "very much YES". May be childnext asks How etc etc. For that we may reply managingly. The first answer "Yes"is the encouragement, confidence, interest, and eagerness to know more aboutGod. The blunt answer "NO" and further saying it is difficult to crossboundaries with dipress the sadak Kiran (May be not Kiran exactly). IfParamathuma sankals Kiran can become Yogi. Let all of us be benovolent,Karuniya, to the extent possible. Puran shows even to an enemy one should bekind. Pardon me Madam for this statement.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan------------------------------Dear Yogi Ji,Jai Shri KrishnaHow you come to know you are in perfect synchronous with God?. What is thedefinition of a Yogi? Read Shri Gita first and follow it, then there shall be noexplanation from your end that I am 26....I am yogi...Let others say.. Let GodSay.Hare KrishnaMahesh Sharma----------------------PRIOR POSTINGJai HanumanSadhak Karnatiji ! Once a listener asked Swamiji RamsukhdasjiMaharaj - Sir, I want to have a Guru. Please refer name of the bestGuru for me.The Realised Mahatma smiled and stated: I have not understood yourrequest.The person repeated what he spoke earlier. The Great Mahatma told- Iam not talking about your words.I have understood words spoken byyou. I am telling that I have not understood sense behind what youstated. If you state that I am the person who is capable to judgeand tell you the name of the best person according to me (Guru) foryou, does not it mean that I am better than him? How then he can bethe best?Do you get me, Sadhak Karnatiji ?Namaste JeeJee JeeShashikala---------------------------Contemplate on questions "what is left for whom?", who is awaitingthe symptoms, who wants to see and what? who attained God?Expression, expansion, creation could flows out........in thatstate....... or could be nothing........Sushil Jain---------------------------Dear Karnati Kiran,Honestly after thoroughly investigating within yourself please tellwhy you have written that you are 26 years old. you are perfectsynchronous, just because all sadaks are talking about the sameParabhraman in different view. They are not talking of 2 differentGods.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan----------------------------Shree Hari-To clarify a point, is being a Yogi a means to an end not an end initself?Dear Karnati Kiran,Have you reached and moved beyond the stages mentioned in Holy GitaCh. 18:72. Has this been heard with one-pointed mind, Arjuna? Has thedelusion of your ignorance been fully routed out, Dhananjaya?73. Routed out is my illusion as I have gained my memory (knowledge)through your grace, Krishna! I am firm; my doubts are gone. I willactaccording to your word.Do you remember?If so keep chopping wood and carrying water, be humble.What can I say?With Respect and Divine Love,Mike (Keenor).-----------------------------If you are in touch with the higher Self then what more indications,signs or symptoms do you need ? All of us are on the same path buthave not reached the destination. It will take several births. Ittook Buddha a hundred births to become the Buddha. You are indeedvery lucky to have achieved it in one birth. Congratulations. Youshould guide us instead as to how you attained nirvanna or moksha.Do share your experiences.Hari Shanker Deo------------PRIOR POSTINGHare KrishnaThat's very nice of you. Since you have reached such a point, Idon't think you need any instruction. After attaining GodRamsukhdasji didn't looked any different than us. Difference is inthe mental condition. He thought and worked for others. He didnothing for himself. If you have reached that stage, you shouldinstruct us.Ashok Goenka------------------My dandavat pranams to all in this forum....although I may be a great fool, I can occasionally recognizeone who is more foolish than myself.....there aren't too many, as iam truly a fallen jiva, unable to fathom when the mercy of the Lordwill fall on me.In response to Karnati, do you know the story of Narada Muni,telling first Lord Siva, and then Visnu, that he had conqueredcupid? Lord Siva warned him, "do not say this again to anyoneelse".....but Narada Muni did not listen. So, a very beautifulpastime ensued, wherein Narada fell in love with Laksmi, went to hersvaryamvar, where she was to choose her husband......and knew notwhy the goddess and everyone else looked at him with disgust. Shechose Visnu as her mate, but then, Narada happened to catch sight ofhis complextion in a pool of water....he had been transformed intohaving the face of a monkey!!!So, my dear girl, in the same way that Narada Muni challenged thepower of the Lord,and was humiliated you will find very soon, thatyouth has a way of coating the jiva with pride....and until you havecrossed that boundary, you are absolutely NOT a yogi.My dandavat pranams.Mahalaksmi Dasi------------------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!If what Kiranji says is his genuine experience, then just sit back,relax and enjoy the ride, you are in the hands of perfect Charioteer(Saarathi) on this journey!You can verify doubts, if any, by reading Gita.However, since you ask about some indicators, signs, symptoms fromGita to confirm, there may be some lingering doubts which may beremoved by constant satsang, and obtaining clarifications fromRealized one like Swamiji! Truth keeps coming acoss you from alldirections with your kind of a mind-set, and everytime you say YESto It, you will receive!Just go deep within more and more, I am sure you will discoverhidden gems! Don't let the flame extinguish, you may see more onthe way. You will see that "I am in touch with that Higher self"(asyou say) will be discovered to be YOURSELF standing ALONE!True "YOU" and higher Self are ONE, not two!Sadhakas best wishes are with you!Namaskar............Pratap Bhatt----------------------Karnati Kiran says he is in complete peace and calm, that he isdetached from everything he does and thinks, and that he is perfectsynchronization with God and in touch with higher self. If hecontinues that way he will himself get answers to all the questionshe has raised. He need not worry about the further symptoms /indicators to lose his peace. he can only search for the answers tohis questions from within. And, for this he needs to onlyconcentrate on thinking about God and remove his ego ( he stillseeks answers to questions as if they are his own).He is a blessed person.Basudeb Sen--------------First of all a person is serene peace with himself - what is the useof that person to the society. it is something like you possess asuper weapon and you are not willing to wage a lawful legitimate war.Peace can come from two totally different things. the superior one islike krishna, in the midst of war of the civilization, un willing anddeliberately foregoing the chance to take up arms, fully incognizance of the destruction that was going to be caused and fullyaccepting and in some ways conducting the same, -- and still notperturbed even an iota by the blood shed around him -- not because hewas stony hearted, but he knew and accepted it fully.The bad one is from tamas, not doing anything. just acceptingwhatever comes ones way. not caring one way or another for anybrickbats or aspiring for anything. peace can be yours too.Some times the second man is mistaken for a yogi. i am not sayingthat your peace is of the second nature above. it is just adescription.Now to your question what next, what did krishna do ? when he wasconsidered "yogeshwar" by such exalted souls like Bhishma ? did hesit idly ? who asked him to get entangled in bharatha war ? why hecould not have settled himself in his small kingdom ? why did he getembroiled in it ?What is your swadharma ? did you go by it ?And Finally WAIT. The mother nature has answers for youSiva------------Dear SadhakPlease read Gita Mahatmaya and even after becoming yogi you willseek almighty God and there are no further births and deaths and youfinally seek Salvation,liberation, nirvana or god realizationThis is a short replyTruly yoursS S Bhatt----------------------GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -FOR QUESTIONER1. The questions as far as possible must be relavant to Gita,relavant to Dharma, relavant to other scriptures and relavant tomotivate Sadhaks to take up spiritual path2. The Questioner must commit to daily Gita study3. Only one question at a time.4. Question must be brief, to the point and relavant to the group'sprimary aim of deeper understanding of Gita.FOR RESPONDER1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible.3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to theextent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. Be as concise, to the point, relevant and respectful of sadhaka'stime.5. Focus on subject at hand only.6. Do not include links to the other sites.7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc).8. Do not personalize message9. All responses may not be posted.10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting.11. Take into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. i.e. limit the use to Sanskrit words only.Provide English word bracketed.MODERATORRam Ram------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Post message: @grou ps.comSubscribe: - Un: -unsubscri be ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 of realization. For me i am detached with everything.My mind is calm,my heart is in peace.When i read through yourso many mails, i understand that i am in perfect synchronous withgod. I am in touch with that higher self.I am 26yr old.What else isleft for me after this. What indications, signs, symptoms that onecan see, after attaining God. Does Gita state some specific indicators other than peace,detachment, calmness, perfect alignment and in touch with God? Thank YouWith Regards,Karnati Kiran------------ NEW POSTING Dear Karnati Kiran Ji, Pranaam. At your age, when you are born and raised in the home of good Dharmic parents and were sheltered from Adharmic influences then it is not unexpected to be like this--am I correct in my assumption that you were raised like this? If not then you are an especially exceptional young lady and I would be grateful if you can share how you attained such a state at such a young age in this Kalyug. Regards. Nanda Kother TAD VISNOH PARAMAM PADAM (Rg Veda 1.22.20) ----------------- Dear Kiran sharing stages of sadhana like the one you did would help all those who are in the path. As Venu Komanduri rightly said details of situations which put test to our equanimity would help. I wanted to share one of my friend's experience to site an example. He has been in the sadhana of advaita and his main approach is acceptance of events in life as God willed and he beleives that whatever happens, though presently may appear as something unwelcome, is God willed and must be right and we should accept it and in it only our welfare lies. That does not mean one should not make an effort to come out of an unpleasant situation. accept the present upset and do whatever you consider best in the circumsatances and again prepare to accept the outcome. This approach of my friend was put to a test in recent times and as I observed him he could apply his phylosophy successfully to a practical situation. Apart from other investments of his savings he put substantial amount in equity market and the market went down due to recession significantly reducing his portfolio. Though occasionally the thought that he should have sold at the peak came to him, his phylosophy immediately came to his rescue and he accepted the situation as God's will and he is planning to rearrange the portfolio as many good scrips are available at attractive valuations. Observing him at close quarters I could see his equanimity achieved due to firm belief in God's will and preparedness to do what he considers best to come out of the situation. He is also in a state as yours. His approach is avoiding ragam and dwesham. But he believes that any effort from his side to achieve that is not some thing that he does but it is due to grace of God only. He has no desires left to be fulfilled in this incarnation and is in the process of converting his jnana revealed in prasthana thrayam in to vijnana. R. Podury -------------- -------------- PRIOR POSTING -Shree Hari- Karnatiji, I will keep this brief, as there is a sense of urgency in my soul to type this. Three Greek words, borrowed by the Desert Fathers, to describe the process ofthe path to GOD. Step 1 Arcadia, (being at peace with the world to feel the call). Step 2 Apathea, (Very calm quieten of the mind, but the turbulence beneath the calmness can erupt, one should be ever vigilant, and pass on through). Step 2 Agape (pronounced agopay). (Divine Love to embrace The Beloved.....). Where are you? To stay firmly fixed in peace, and not to move on, is as one monk put it, "Is the shortest route to Hell'. Karnatiji, look at your reactions to what I have written to gauge where you are. This I have written in the Spirit of Agape. With Respect and Divine Love, Mike (Keenor). ----- Dear Kiran I am glad to see your expression of your mental state. You suggested that you derived your mental state of calm / quite etc from the discussion of this forum. Please do share your experiences / examples with all of us on your perception of detachmet, quiteness and calmness for the benefit of all of us. Bless you with whole-heart. Before closing: Did you come across any situation in life when common man loses his balance of mind? Let us know about such situation and your reaction. RegardsVenu Komanduri ------------ PRIOR POSTING Shree Hari || Ram Ram || Dear Sadhak, Congratulations on your grand achievement at such an early age! The questionnaturally comes, how were you able to accomplish this at this young age, pls.guide us, and be kind to give some tips so that we can follow. May be for you,the homework was already done in the previous life!. Pls. forgive me for bringing up a word of caution! I hope I am wrong in myjudgment. For a person who truly attains the Supreme, at that state ofevolution, who is left there to say that "I" have accomplished it? Supposing we have a cup which we fill with water up to the brim, we can say thecup is completely full. But when we drown the cup in the ocean, the cup is alsofull, it has water on all of the sides, the cup has lost its identity. Thedifferent rivers entering the ocean have names and some special features, anunique distinction about them but after merging with ocean there is nodistinction left any more. We cannot use the same yard stick as we normally use for the worldly success. Onbeing successful in worldly affairs, we make a definite point to tell everyonewe know, they get impressed, giving a big boost to our ego, which may become ananother issue to deal with. Generally, when someone asks a highly evolved saint or a self realized soul -have they realized God? Or how far along they are in their spiritual journey,they will hesitate to respond. || Ram Ram || Humble regards,Madan Kaura -------------- Are you in touch with your higher self or have you awakened fully to your higherself and thus discarded the ego? "Lift up the self by the Self And do not let the self droop down. For the Selfis the self's only friend And the self is the Self's only foe." - Sri Krishna(from The Bhagavad Gita) Ben-------------Dear 26 year old Sadhak, Namaskar, you said that you are in perfect synchronous withgod. You are in touch with that higher self. And you are asking what else isleft for you after this and What indications, signs, symptoms that one can see,after attaining God. My dear, you are under a great illusion...whatever you feel is not true. For onereason, I can say...persons who go so close to God, do not declare so and do notask what is left for them to achieve... they simply enjoy the bliss ... ....Gee Waman------------- PRIOR POSTING Dear Friend I would like to hear more about your experience and yourprocess/journey.As desired by you,Some of the indications,signs & symptomson attaining God may be as under :-1)Gita 18:73 -Gata SandehaHe is past doubt.Actions,thoughts and feelings are spontaneous andhe is never in doubt.2)Gita 18:61 -Sarva BhutanamGod resides in heart of every being.He feels presence of God ineveryone.For him all are same and equalintrinsically.The difference is outwardly and superfluous as everybeing are on the path of God realizationand will reach there sooner or later.3) His peace is very deep & indestructible-Parma Shanty4)He is always connected with God .Gita 13:22,Parmatmeti Chapyukto5)He has surrendered to God completely 18:62,18:666)Tat Prasada-18:62,He experiences Grace of God.7)Soul is Omnipresent,permanent and motionless 2:248)His actions are desireless or he has no desire,aspirations. regards Ashok Jain----------------------------Dear Sadak,Thus says a sadak Sri Mahalakshmiji--"Mahalaksmi Dasi youth has a way of coatingthe jiva with pride....and until you have crossed that boundary, you areabsolutely NOT a yogi"God shows benovolence, Karuniyam, abundant love on us in spite of neglectingHIM. That is way we also have to be atleast very little of that. If a childasks, "Can I see God". Our immediate reply to be "very much YES". May be childnext asks How etc etc. For that we may reply managingly. The first answer "Yes"is the encouragement, confidence, interest, and eagerness to know more aboutGod. The blunt answer "NO" and further saying it is difficult to crossboundaries with dipress the sadak Kiran (May be not Kiran exactly). IfParamathuma sankals Kiran can become Yogi. Let all of us be benovolent,Karuniya, to the extent possible. Puran shows even to an enemy one should bekind. Pardon me Madam for this statement.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan------------------------------Dear Yogi Ji, Jai Shri Krishna How you come to know you are in perfect synchronous with God?. What is thedefinition of a Yogi? Read Shri Gita first and follow it, then there shall be noexplanation from your end that I am 26....I am yogi...Let others say.. Let GodSay. Hare Krishna Mahesh Sharma---------------------- PRIOR POSTING Jai Hanuman Sadhak Karnatiji ! Once a listener asked Swamiji RamsukhdasjiMaharaj - Sir, I want to have a Guru. Please refer name of the bestGuru for me. The Realised Mahatma smiled and stated: I have not understood yourrequest. The person repeated what he spoke earlier. The Great Mahatma told- Iam not talking about your words.I have understood words spoken byyou. I am telling that I have not understood sense behind what youstated. If you state that I am the person who is capable to judgeand tell you the name of the best person according to me (Guru) foryou, does not it mean that I am better than him? How then he can bethe best? Do you get me, Sadhak Karnatiji ? Namaste Jee Jee JeeShashikala--------------------------- Contemplate on questions "what is left for whom?", who is awaitingthe symptoms, who wants to see and what? who attained God? Expression, expansion, creation could flows out........in thatstate....... or could be nothing........ Sushil Jain ---------------------------Dear Karnati Kiran,Honestly after thoroughly investigating within yourself please tellwhy you have written that you are 26 years old. you are perfectsynchronous, just because all sadaks are talking about the sameParabhraman in different view. They are not talking of 2 differentGods.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan----------------------------Shree Hari- To clarify a point, is being a Yogi a means to an end not an end initself? Dear Karnati Kiran, Have you reached and moved beyond the stages mentioned in Holy GitaCh. 18: 72. Has this been heard with one-pointed mind, Arjuna? Has thedelusion of your ignorance been fully routed out, Dhananjaya? 73. Routed out is my illusion as I have gained my memory (knowledge)through your grace, Krishna! I am firm; my doubts are gone. I willactaccording to your word. Do you remember? If so keep chopping wood and carrying water, be humble. What can I say? With Respect and Divine Love, Mike (Keenor). ----------------------------- If you are in touch with the higher Self then what more indications,signs or symptoms do you need ? All of us are on the same path buthave not reached the destination. It will take several births. Ittook Buddha a hundred births to become the Buddha. You are indeedvery lucky to have achieved it in one birth. Congratulations. Youshould guide us instead as to how you attained nirvanna or moksha.Do share your experiences. Hari Shanker Deo ------------PRIOR POSTINGHare KrishnaThat's very nice of you. Since you have reached such a point, Idon't think you need any instruction. After attaining GodRamsukhdasji didn't looked any different than us. Difference is inthe mental condition. He thought and worked for others. He didnothing for himself. If you have reached that stage, you shouldinstruct us.Ashok Goenka------------------ My dandavat pranams to all in this forum....although I may be a great fool, I can occasionally recognizeone who is more foolish than myself.....there aren't too many, as iam truly a fallen jiva, unable to fathom when the mercy of the Lordwill fall on me.In response to Karnati, do you know the story of Narada Muni,telling first Lord Siva, and then Visnu, that he had conqueredcupid? Lord Siva warned him, "do not say this again to anyoneelse".....but Narada Muni did not listen. So, a very beautifulpastime ensued, wherein Narada fell in love with Laksmi, went to hersvaryamvar, where she was to choose her husband......and knew notwhy the goddess and everyone else looked at him with disgust. Shechose Visnu as her mate, but then, Narada happened to catch sight ofhis complextion in a pool of water....he had been transformed intohaving the face of a monkey!!!So, my dear girl, in the same way that Narada Muni challenged thepower of the Lord,and was humiliated you will find very soon, thatyouth has a way of coating the jiva with pride....and until you havecrossed that boundary, you are absolutely NOT a yogi.My dandavat pranams.Mahalaksmi Dasi------------------------ Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!If what Kiranji says is his genuine experience, then just sit back,relax and enjoy the ride, you are in the hands of perfect Charioteer(Saarathi) on this journey!You can verify doubts, if any, by reading Gita.However, since you ask about some indicators, signs, symptoms fromGita to confirm, there may be some lingering doubts which may beremoved by constant satsang, and obtaining clarifications fromRealized one like Swamiji! Truth keeps coming acoss you from alldirections with your kind of a mind-set, and everytime you say YESto It, you will receive!Just go deep within more and more, I am sure you will discoverhidden gems! Don't let the flame extinguish, you may see more onthe way. You will see that "I am in touch with that Higher self"(asyou say) will be discovered to be YOURSELF standing ALONE!True "YOU" and higher Self are ONE, not two!Sadhakas best wishes are with you!Namaskar............ Pratap Bhatt---------------------- Karnati Kiran says he is in complete peace and calm, that he isdetached from everything he does and thinks, and that he is perfectsynchronization with God and in touch with higher self. If hecontinues that way he will himself get answers to all the questionshe has raised. He need not worry about the further symptoms /indicators to lose his peace. he can only search for the answers tohis questions from within. And, for this he needs to onlyconcentrate on thinking about God and remove his ego ( he stillseeks answers to questions as if they are his own).He is a blessed person. Basudeb Sen--------------First of all a person is serene peace with himself - what is the useof that person to the society. it is something like you possess asuper weapon and you are not willing to wage a lawful legitimate war. Peace can come from two totally different things. the superior one islike krishna, in the midst of war of the civilization, un willing anddeliberately foregoing the chance to take up arms, fully incognizance of the destruction that was going to be caused and fullyaccepting and in some ways conducting the same, -- and still notperturbed even an iota by the blood shed around him -- not because hewas stony hearted, but he knew and accepted it fully. The bad one is from tamas, not doing anything. just acceptingwhatever comes ones way. not caring one way or another for anybrickbats or aspiring for anything. peace can be yours too. Some times the second man is mistaken for a yogi. i am not sayingthat your peace is of the second nature above. it is just adescription. Now to your question what next, what did krishna do ? when he wasconsidered "yogeshwar" by such exalted souls like Bhishma ? did hesit idly ? who asked him to get entangled in bharatha war ? why hecould not have settled himself in his small kingdom ? why did he getembroiled in it ? What is your swadharma ? did you go by it ? And Finally WAIT. The mother nature has answers for you Siva ------------Dear Sadhak Please read Gita Mahatmaya and even after becoming yogi you willseek almighty God and there are no further births and deaths and youfinally seek Salvation,liberation, nirvana or god realizationThis is a short replyTruly yours S S Bhatt----------------------- -----------GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE - FOR QUESTIONER1. The questions as far as possible must be relavant to Gita,relavant to Dharma, relavant to other scriptures and relavant tomotivate Sadhaks to take up spiritual path2. The Questioner must commit to daily Gita study3. Only one question at a time.4. Question must be brief, to the point and relavant to the group'sprimary aim of deeper understanding of Gita. FOR RESPONDER1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible.3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to theextent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. 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Guest guest Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Shree Hari RAm Ram Clearing PENDING QUEUE today....Ram Ram ----- of realization. For me i am detached with everything.My mind is calm,my heart is in peace.When i read through yourso many mails, i understand that i am in perfect synchronous withgod. I am in touch with that higher self.I am 26yr old.What else isleft for me after this. What indications, signs, symptoms that onecan see, after attaining God. Does Gita state some specific indicators other than peace,detachment, calmness, perfect alignment and in touch with God? Thank YouWith Regards,Karnati Kiran------------ NEW POSTING Hari OmA lot of requests have already been made to the questioner to share her experiences of being in "touch with Paramatma". Let me therefore address the state of "realisation". I liked immensely response of Brother Mike because I got the feeling that all religions of the world in the end start looking similar. In Ken Upanishad this state is explained beautifully. There disciple who has realised Paramatma says to Guru:QuoteI don't assume that I have properly and fully known the element. Nor I assume that I don't know the element, because I know actually. I have no doubts as to whether I have realised God or not realised. Among all of us whoever has known the element (God) , only that person can understand the meaning of the aforesaid words by me.UnquoteThis Divine Sadhaks is egoless "Sahaj Avastha" (Natural state) In that God element there is no velocity/reach/travel (gati) of mind, intellect and speech. All organs of body return having not found Him. The experience of that element does not get created/aroused inside. If it gets created or if it rises , it must end/extinguish/set also. The element is "experience" in itself. You only have to throw a glance at it.In Yoga Vasishtha, Lord Rama asks Q to Sage Vasishtha- "Sir , what is Brahma referred by you, how that looks like" ? As soon as Guru heard Q of Rama, he (Vasishtha) became silent. After sometime Rama again asked the Q. Great Guru then replied - I have already answered you.That means "silence" is the answer. There is neither any mind nor any intellect/speech/questions/answers/words etc are there. Only silence is there. Silence is the speech of Guru, dispelling the doubts of chellas.Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B ---- Dear Karnati, It feels great to hear your experience. This 'detachment' should not be a momentary phase. You have to be stable /'sthir' in this stage. Which means this is a phase you should practise to live in. What happens as we climb the spiritual ladder, at times we are so much at peace with ourselves that we feel that we have attained the ultimate stage. But this is not the case. What has been built through years of practise can get lost in one transient moment. It is like the structures we build in sand on the beach, just one rising wave and everything is wiped away. We can overcome this through 'consistent effort' and further strengthening the edifice of our faith and detachment. When the Loveliest Lord will find you fitting enough to climb the next ladder in spirituality, he will take you there with his own hands. One important thing that I have heard from 'bhaktas' at this stage is either they develop an arrogance about the fact that they have become detached or they might just get a little lax and fall into the worldly temptations. Just be a little cautious of both. Pray to the Loveliest Lord and he will carry you through. GoOd Luck.... Kalapana Tyagi ----------- Dear sadhak, KING JANAKA, KRISHNAJI BHAGWAN, ARJUNA IN MORDERN TIMES JALARAM BAPU, MAHTAMA GANDHI, WERE ALL YOGIS, BUT THEY DID KARMAYOGA AND DID THEIR DHARMA, KARMA, KAMA, MOKSHA LEARN FROM THEM, BECOME A LIBERATED GOD CONCIOUS SOUL LIKE THEM AND DO WHAT THEY DID KARMA WITHOUT ATTACHEMENT AND FOR VEDIC, VARNAASHRAM, GRAHASTHAASHRAM DUITES, THAT IS LEFT AFTER BECOMING AYOGI, REMEMBER SHRI KRISHNA BHAGWAN SAYA IN GITA:- "I AM PERFECT BUT STILL DOING KARMAS AS IF I DONT DO KARMAS I WILL BE THE CAUSE FOR CHAOS.......? AS WHAT AGREAT MAN DOES GENERAL PEOPLE DO FOLLOW SAME, HUMBLE REGARDS BOW TO LORD KRISHNA WITH OBEIANSIS REGARDS KALRAV PANDE ------------ PRIOR POSTING Dear Karnati Kiran Ji, Pranaam. At your age, when you are born and raised in the home of good Dharmic parents and were sheltered from Adharmic influences then it is not unexpected to be like this--am I correct in my assumption that you were raised like this? If not then you are an especially exceptional young lady and I would be grateful if you can share how you attained such a state at such a young age in this Kalyug. Regards. Nanda Kother TAD VISNOH PARAMAM PADAM (Rg Veda 1.22.20)----------------- Dear Kiransharing stages of sadhana like the one you did would help all those who are in the path. As Venu Komanduri rightly said details of situations which put test to our equanimity would help. I wanted to share one of my friend's experience to site an example. He has been in the sadhana of advaita and his main approach is acceptance of events in life as God willed and he beleives that whatever happens, though presently may appear as something unwelcome, is God willed and must be right and we should accept it and in it only our welfare lies. That does not mean one should not make an effort to come out of an unpleasant situation. accept the present upset and do whatever you consider best in the circumsatances and again prepare to accept the outcome. This approach of my friend was put to a test in recent times and as I observed him he could apply his phylosophy successfully to a practical situation. Apart from other investments of his savings he put substantial amount in equity market and the market went down due to recession significantly reducing his portfolio. Though occasionally the thought that he should have sold at the peak came to him, his phylosophy immediately came to his rescue and he accepted the situation as God's will and he is planning to rearrange the portfolio as many good scrips are available at attractive valuations. Observing him at close quarters I could see his equanimity achieved due to firm belief in God's will and preparedness to do what he considers best to come out of the situation. He is also in a state as yours. His approach is avoiding ragam and dwesham. But he believes that any effort from his side to achieve that is not some thing that he does but it is due to grace of God only. He has no desires left to be fulfilled in this incarnation and is in the process of converting his jnana revealed in prasthana thrayam in to vijnana. R. Podury---------------- PRIOR POSTING -Shree Hari- Karnatiji, I will keep this brief, as there is a sense of urgency in my soul to type this. Three Greek words, borrowed by the Desert Fathers, to describe the process ofthe path to GOD. Step 1 Arcadia, (being at peace with the world to feel the call). Step 2 Apathea, (Very calm quieten of the mind, but the turbulence beneath the calmness can erupt, one should be ever vigilant, and pass on through). Step 2 Agape (pronounced agopay). (Divine Love to embrace The Beloved.....). Where are you? To stay firmly fixed in peace, and not to move on, is as one monk put it, "Is the shortest route to Hell'. Karnatiji, look at your reactions to what I have written to gauge where you are. This I have written in the Spirit of Agape. With Respect and Divine Love, Mike (Keenor). ----- Dear Kiran I am glad to see your expression of your mental state. You suggested that you derived your mental state of calm / quite etc from the discussion of this forum. Please do share your experiences / examples with all of us on your perception of detachmet, quiteness and calmness for the benefit of all of us. Bless you with whole-heart. Before closing: Did you come across any situation in life when common man loses his balance of mind? Let us know about such situation and your reaction. RegardsVenu Komanduri ------------ PRIOR POSTING Shree Hari || Ram Ram || Dear Sadhak, Congratulations on your grand achievement at such an early age! The questionnaturally comes, how were you able to accomplish this at this young age, pls.guide us, and be kind to give some tips so that we can follow. May be for you,the homework was already done in the previous life!. Pls. forgive me for bringing up a word of caution! I hope I am wrong in myjudgment. For a person who truly attains the Supreme, at that state ofevolution, who is left there to say that "I" have accomplished it? Supposing we have a cup which we fill with water up to the brim, we can say thecup is completely full. But when we drown the cup in the ocean, the cup is alsofull, it has water on all of the sides, the cup has lost its identity. Thedifferent rivers entering the ocean have names and some special features, anunique distinction about them but after merging with ocean there is nodistinction left any more. We cannot use the same yard stick as we normally use for the worldly success. Onbeing successful in worldly affairs, we make a definite point to tell everyonewe know, they get impressed, giving a big boost to our ego, which may become ananother issue to deal with. Generally, when someone asks a highly evolved saint or a self realized soul -have they realized God? Or how far along they are in their spiritual journey,they will hesitate to respond. || Ram Ram || Humble regards,Madan Kaura -------------- Are you in touch with your higher self or have you awakened fully to your higherself and thus discarded the ego? "Lift up the self by the Self And do not let the self droop down. For the Selfis the self's only friend And the self is the Self's only foe." - Sri Krishna(from The Bhagavad Gita) Ben-------------Dear 26 year old Sadhak, Namaskar, you said that you are in perfect synchronous withgod. You are in touch with that higher self. And you are asking what else isleft for you after this and What indications, signs, symptoms that one can see,after attaining God. My dear, you are under a great illusion...whatever you feel is not true. For onereason, I can say...persons who go so close to God, do not declare so and do notask what is left for them to achieve... they simply enjoy the bliss ... ....Gee Waman------------- PRIOR POSTING Dear Friend I would like to hear more about your experience and yourprocess/journey.As desired by you,Some of the indications,signs & symptomson attaining God may be as under :-1)Gita 18:73 -Gata SandehaHe is past doubt.Actions,thoughts and feelings are spontaneous andhe is never in doubt.2)Gita 18:61 -Sarva BhutanamGod resides in heart of every being.He feels presence of God ineveryone.For him all are same and equalintrinsically.The difference is outwardly and superfluous as everybeing are on the path of God realizationand will reach there sooner or later.3) His peace is very deep & indestructible-Parma Shanty4)He is always connected with God .Gita 13:22,Parmatmeti Chapyukto5)He has surrendered to God completely 18:62,18:666)Tat Prasada-18:62,He experiences Grace of God.7)Soul is Omnipresent,permanent and motionless 2:248)His actions are desireless or he has no desire,aspirations. regards Ashok Jain----------------------------Dear Sadak,Thus says a sadak Sri Mahalakshmiji--"Mahalaksmi Dasi youth has a way of coatingthe jiva with pride....and until you have crossed that boundary, you areabsolutely NOT a yogi"God shows benovolence, Karuniyam, abundant love on us in spite of neglectingHIM. That is way we also have to be atleast very little of that. If a childasks, "Can I see God". Our immediate reply to be "very much YES". May be childnext asks How etc etc. For that we may reply managingly. The first answer "Yes"is the encouragement, confidence, interest, and eagerness to know more aboutGod. The blunt answer "NO" and further saying it is difficult to crossboundaries with dipress the sadak Kiran (May be not Kiran exactly). IfParamathuma sankals Kiran can become Yogi. Let all of us be benovolent,Karuniya, to the extent possible. Puran shows even to an enemy one should bekind. Pardon me Madam for this statement.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan------------------------------Dear Yogi Ji, Jai Shri Krishna How you come to know you are in perfect synchronous with God?. What is thedefinition of a Yogi? Read Shri Gita first and follow it, then there shall be noexplanation from your end that I am 26....I am yogi...Let others say.. Let GodSay. Hare Krishna Mahesh Sharma---------------------- PRIOR POSTING Jai Hanuman Sadhak Karnatiji ! Once a listener asked Swamiji RamsukhdasjiMaharaj - Sir, I want to have a Guru. Please refer name of the bestGuru for me. The Realised Mahatma smiled and stated: I have not understood yourrequest. The person repeated what he spoke earlier. The Great Mahatma told- Iam not talking about your words.I have understood words spoken byyou. I am telling that I have not understood sense behind what youstated. If you state that I am the person who is capable to judgeand tell you the name of the best person according to me (Guru) foryou, does not it mean that I am better than him? How then he can bethe best? Do you get me, Sadhak Karnatiji ? Namaste Jee Jee JeeShashikala--------------------------- Contemplate on questions "what is left for whom?", who is awaitingthe symptoms, who wants to see and what? who attained God? Expression, expansion, creation could flows out........in thatstate....... or could be nothing........ Sushil Jain ---------------------------Dear Karnati Kiran,Honestly after thoroughly investigating within yourself please tellwhy you have written that you are 26 years old. you are perfectsynchronous, just because all sadaks are talking about the sameParabhraman in different view. They are not talking of 2 differentGods.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan----------------------------Shree Hari- To clarify a point, is being a Yogi a means to an end not an end initself? Dear Karnati Kiran, Have you reached and moved beyond the stages mentioned in Holy GitaCh. 18: 72. Has this been heard with one-pointed mind, Arjuna? Has thedelusion of your ignorance been fully routed out, Dhananjaya? 73. Routed out is my illusion as I have gained my memory (knowledge)through your grace, Krishna! I am firm; my doubts are gone. I willactaccording to your word. Do you remember? If so keep chopping wood and carrying water, be humble. What can I say? With Respect and Divine Love, Mike (Keenor). ----------------------------- If you are in touch with the higher Self then what more indications,signs or symptoms do you need ? All of us are on the same path buthave not reached the destination. It will take several births. Ittook Buddha a hundred births to become the Buddha. You are indeedvery lucky to have achieved it in one birth. Congratulations. Youshould guide us instead as to how you attained nirvanna or moksha.Do share your experiences. Hari Shanker Deo ------------PRIOR POSTINGHare KrishnaThat's very nice of you. Since you have reached such a point, Idon't think you need any instruction. After attaining GodRamsukhdasji didn't looked any different than us. Difference is inthe mental condition. He thought and worked for others. He didnothing for himself. If you have reached that stage, you shouldinstruct us.Ashok Goenka------------------ My dandavat pranams to all in this forum....although I may be a great fool, I can occasionally recognizeone who is more foolish than myself.....there aren't too many, as iam truly a fallen jiva, unable to fathom when the mercy of the Lordwill fall on me.In response to Karnati, do you know the story of Narada Muni,telling first Lord Siva, and then Visnu, that he had conqueredcupid? Lord Siva warned him, "do not say this again to anyoneelse".....but Narada Muni did not listen. So, a very beautifulpastime ensued, wherein Narada fell in love with Laksmi, went to hersvaryamvar, where she was to choose her husband......and knew notwhy the goddess and everyone else looked at him with disgust. Shechose Visnu as her mate, but then, Narada happened to catch sight ofhis complextion in a pool of water....he had been transformed intohaving the face of a monkey!!!So, my dear girl, in the same way that Narada Muni challenged thepower of the Lord,and was humiliated you will find very soon, thatyouth has a way of coating the jiva with pride....and until you havecrossed that boundary, you are absolutely NOT a yogi.My dandavat pranams.Mahalaksmi Dasi------------------------ Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!If what Kiranji says is his genuine experience, then just sit back,relax and enjoy the ride, you are in the hands of perfect Charioteer(Saarathi) on this journey!You can verify doubts, if any, by reading Gita.However, since you ask about some indicators, signs, symptoms fromGita to confirm, there may be some lingering doubts which may beremoved by constant satsang, and obtaining clarifications fromRealized one like Swamiji! Truth keeps coming acoss you from alldirections with your kind of a mind-set, and everytime you say YESto It, you will receive!Just go deep within more and more, I am sure you will discoverhidden gems! Don't let the flame extinguish, you may see more onthe way. You will see that "I am in touch with that Higher self"(asyou say) will be discovered to be YOURSELF standing ALONE!True "YOU" and higher Self are ONE, not two!Sadhakas best wishes are with you!Namaskar............ Pratap Bhatt---------------------- Karnati Kiran says he is in complete peace and calm, that he isdetached from everything he does and thinks, and that he is perfectsynchronization with God and in touch with higher self. If hecontinues that way he will himself get answers to all the questionshe has raised. He need not worry about the further symptoms /indicators to lose his peace. he can only search for the answers tohis questions from within. And, for this he needs to onlyconcentrate on thinking about God and remove his ego ( he stillseeks answers to questions as if they are his own).He is a blessed person. Basudeb Sen--------------First of all a person is serene peace with himself - what is the useof that person to the society. it is something like you possess asuper weapon and you are not willing to wage a lawful legitimate war. Peace can come from two totally different things. the superior one islike krishna, in the midst of war of the civilization, un willing anddeliberately foregoing the chance to take up arms, fully incognizance of the destruction that was going to be caused and fullyaccepting and in some ways conducting the same, -- and still notperturbed even an iota by the blood shed around him -- not because hewas stony hearted, but he knew and accepted it fully. The bad one is from tamas, not doing anything. just acceptingwhatever comes ones way. not caring one way or another for anybrickbats or aspiring for anything. peace can be yours too. Some times the second man is mistaken for a yogi. i am not sayingthat your peace is of the second nature above. it is just adescription. Now to your question what next, what did krishna do ? when he wasconsidered "yogeshwar" by such exalted souls like Bhishma ? did hesit idly ? who asked him to get entangled in bharatha war ? why hecould not have settled himself in his small kingdom ? why did he getembroiled in it ? What is your swadharma ? did you go by it ? And Finally WAIT. The mother nature has answers for you Siva ------------Dear Sadhak Please read Gita Mahatmaya and even after becoming yogi you willseek almighty God and there are no further births and deaths and youfinally seek Salvation,liberation, nirvana or god realizationThis is a short replyTruly yours S S Bhatt----------------------- -----------GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE - FOR QUESTIONER1. The questions as far as possible must be relavant to Gita,relavant to Dharma, relavant to other scriptures and relavant tomotivate Sadhaks to take up spiritual path2. The Questioner must commit to daily Gita study3. Only one question at a time.4. Question must be brief, to the point and relavant to the group'sprimary aim of deeper understanding of Gita. FOR RESPONDER1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible.3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to theextent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. Be as concise, to the point, relevant and respectful of sadhaka'stime.5. Focus on subject at hand only.6. Do not include links to the other sites.7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc).8. Do not personalize message9. All responses may not be posted.10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting.11. Take into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. i.e. limit the use to Sanskrit words only.Provide English word bracketed. MODERATORRam Ram------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- Post message: @grou ps.comSubscribe: - Un: -unsubscri be ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 For me i am detached with everything.My mind is calm,my heart is in peace.When i read through yourso many mails, i understand that i am in perfect synchronous withgod. I am in touch with that higher self.I am 26yr old.What else isleft for me after this. What indications, signs, symptoms that onecan see, after attaining God. Does Gita state some specific indicators other than peace,detachment, calmness, perfect alignment and in touch with God? Thank YouWith Regards,Karnati Kiran------------ NEW POSTING Namaste In Geeta Chapter 14, Arjuna asks certain pertinent questions regarding the transcending of the gunas, when the stage of the Perfect Man is attained: When the seer beholds no agent other than the Gunas and knows That which is higher than the Gunas, he attains to My being. The embodied one having gone beyond these three Gunas out of which the body is evolved, is freed from birth, death, decay and pain, and attains to immortality. Arjuna said: By what marks, O Lord, is he (known) who has gone beyond these three Gunas? What is his conduct, and how does he pass beyond these three Gunas? The Blessed Lord said: He who hates not the appearance of light, (the effect of Sattva), activity (the effect of Rajas), and delusion (the effect of Tamas), (in his own mind), O Pandava, nor longs for them when absent; He who, sitting like one unconcerned, is moved not by the Gunas, who, knowing that the Gunas operate, is centred in the Self and swerves not; Alike in pleasure and pain, abiding in Self, regarding a clod of earth, a stone and gold alike; the same to agreeable and disagreeable, firm, the same in censure and, praise; The same in honour and disgrace, the same to friend and foe, relinquishing all undertakings "he is said to have gone beyond the Gunas. 25 And he who serves Me with an unswerving devotion, he, going beyond the Gunas, is fitted for becoming Brahman. For I am the abode of Brahman, the Immortal and Immutable, of everlasting Dharma and of Absolute Bliss GEETA 14: 19 to 27 The above is the description of a man who has transcended the 3 gunas. Such a man is Udaasin - deatched / uninvolved and therefore unwavering. To stand apart and look at the modes functioning within oneself is indeed a supremely spiritual state. To look at one's habits and yet to be separate from them; to see one's activities and yet to regard oneself as not the actor of those activities; to perceive one' virtues and accomplishments and yet lay no claim over them - this is the characteristic of one who has freed himself from all conditioning. To allow the modes to function according to their nature, and yet not get entangled in their functioning - this is the supreme state where the opposites are transcended, not merely balanced. To be aware of the functioning of the Tamas, the Rajas, and the Sattva, and yet not interfere with them - this indeed is freedom from all conditioning. In such a state the mind of man is rendered pure and innocent capable of responding to the gentlest touch of the Supreme and the Transcendental. Such a being, who serves Bhagavan with unswerving devotion, having gone beyond the Gunas is fitted for becoming Brahman. Ram Ram Deosaran Bisnath --------------- My dearest Karnati, What is the activity of a self realized soul? Certainly if we understood this, we would all be extemely instrumental in bringing the atmosphere of Mother Earth back to purity and goodness. I have found grat happiness in looking for persons who are handicapped or ill, and offering some kindness. In the near future, I will be meeting a lady I have never met, who will be having three operations in May, is undergoing kemotherapy for cancer, and is very much in need of support. Whatever assistance and help I can give her, I feel will only make me a better person. Last month I was directed to a woman who had fallen coming off a bus, and tore all the ligaments in her knees....she was bedridden for 4 months, and was just beginning to find the courage to come outside in her wheelchair. I was fortunate to be able to help her get to two doctors appointments, so she could get some financial support. Love is a word which has many definitions. Perhaps it is one of the most written about poetic themes. Rarely do we see anyone amongst us who understands it. When we do, then we will understand that that person has truly achieved a relationship with the Supreme....give your love, Karnati! Pray for ways to shine out to the world. praying to heed these words, Mahalaksmi Dasi --- Dear Sadhak insight, When you are with God. Nothing remains . Please surrender your self to merge with Him and realize Him. This is a short understanding. Truly yours S S Bhatt ---- Dear Sadak Karnati Kiran, Do what Bagavan in Geetha said in a Sloka, " Sarva Dharmaan---" (Gita 18:66) a Yogi certainly one shall be. B.Sathyanarayan --- Dear Mike It was good to read your reference to agape love. Across the world violence as a response to perceived injustice is on the rise. Martin Luther King suggests a different response to injustice — the path of love. But the love he spoke of was no ordinary love. In an essay written in 1957, King elaborated the very different meanings of three words for love in the Greek New Testament. Eros, in Platonic philosophy, means the yearning of the soul for the realm of the divine. It has come now to mean a sort of aesthetic or romantic love. Philia signifies the intimate love between friends, a reciprocal love, where we love because we are loved. But the love King advocates is best expressed in the Greek word agape. Agape implies understanding. It intimates a "creative, redeeming goodwill for all, an overflowing love which seeks nothing in return. Agape is not a weak, passive love. It is love in action." Thus explained, agape comes very close to the ideal of lokasangraham — action motivated ultimately by the holding together of the peoples of the world — the climax of the enunciation of karma yoga in Chapter 3 of the Bhagavad Gita. Through a profound inversion of Nietzsche's critique of Christianity, King provides a reconceptualisation of the relationship between power and love. Nietzsche sought to determine the conditions of a new affirmation of life by overcoming what he regarded as the nihilistic despair produced by Christian values. King interrogates the very terms of this problematique by providing a radical restatement of his own spiritual tradition. He questions the legacy of viewing love and power as polar opposites, where love appears as a rescinding of power, and power as a rejection of love. This again is similar to the case against abdication of action in the Bhagavad Gita. King argues that "power without love is reckless and abusive, and love without power is sentimental and anaemic." And this new understanding of power helps King positively formulate the unbreakable bond between love and justice: "power at its best is love implementing the demands of justice, and justice at its best is power correcting everything that stands against love." Indeed, it would appear that without fana or annihilation of the ego as expounded in Sufi theosophy, without an outpouring of agape love that Martin Luther King evoked, movement towards a more just social order will remain a delusion. Mihir Shah --- PRIOR POSTING Hari Om A lot of requests have already been made to the questioner to share her experiences of being in "touch with Paramatma". Let me therefore address the state of "realisation". I liked immensely response of Brother Mike because I got the feeling that all religions of the world in the end start looking similar. In Ken Upanishad this state is explained beautifully. There disciple who has realised Paramatma says to Guru: Quote I don't assume that I have properly and fully known the element. Nor I assume that I don't know the element, because I know actually. I have no doubts as to whether I have realised God or not realised. Among all of us whoever has known the element (God) , only that person can understand the meaning of the aforesaid words by me. Unquote This Divine Sadhaks is egoless "Sahaj Avastha" (Natural state) In that God element there is no velocity/reach/travel (gati) of mind, intellect and speech. All organs of body return having not found Him. The experience of that element does not get created/aroused inside. If it gets created or if it rises , it must end/extinguish/set also. The element is "experience" in itself. You only have to throw a glance at it. In Yoga Vasishtha, Lord Rama asks Q to Sage Vasishtha- "Sir , what is Brahma referred by you, how that looks like" ? As soon as Guru heard Q of Rama, he (Vasishtha) became silent. After sometime Rama again asked the Q. Great Guru then replied - I have already answered you. That means "silence" is the answer. There is neither any mind nor any intellect/speech/questions/answers/words etc are there. Only silence is there. Silence is the speech of Guru, dispelling the doubts of chellas. Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B ---- Dear Karnati, It feels great to hear your experience. This 'detachment' should not be a momentary phase. You have to be stable /'sthir' in this stage. Which means this is a phase you should practise to live in. What happens as we climb the spiritual ladder, at times we are so much at peace with ourselves that we feel that we have attained the ultimate stage. But this is not the case. What has been built through years of practise can get lost in one transient moment. It is like the structures we build in sand on the beach, just one rising wave and everything is wiped away. We can overcome this through 'consistent effort' and further strengthening the edifice of our faith and detachment. When the Loveliest Lord will find you fitting enough to climb the next ladder in spirituality, he will take you there with his own hands. One important thing that I have heard from 'bhaktas' at this stage is either they develop an arrogance about the fact that they have become detached or they might just get a little lax and fall into the worldly temptations. Just be a little cautious of both. Pray to the Loveliest Lord and he will carry you through. GoOd Luck....Kalapana Tyagi----------- Dear sadhak, KING JANAKA, KRISHNAJI BHAGWAN, ARJUNA IN MORDERN TIMES JALARAM BAPU, MAHTAMA GANDHI, WERE ALL YOGIS, BUT THEY DID KARMAYOGA AND DID THEIR DHARMA, KARMA, KAMA, MOKSHA LEARN FROM THEM, BECOME A LIBERATED GOD CONCIOUS SOUL LIKE THEM AND DO WHAT THEY DID KARMA WITHOUT ATTACHEMENT AND FOR VEDIC, VARNAASHRAM, GRAHASTHAASHRAM DUITES, THAT IS LEFT AFTER BECOMING AYOGI, REMEMBER SHRI KRISHNA BHAGWAN SAYA IN GITA:-"I AM PERFECT BUT STILL DOING KARMAS AS IF I DONT DO KARMAS I WILL BE THE CAUSE FOR CHAOS.......? AS WHAT AGREAT MAN DOES GENERAL PEOPLE DO FOLLOW SAME, HUMBLE REGARDS BOW TO LORD KRISHNA WITH OBEIANSIS REGARDS KALRAV PANDE ------------ PRIOR POSTING Dear Karnati Kiran Ji, Pranaam. At your age, when you are born and raised in the home of good Dharmic parents and were sheltered from Adharmic influences then it is not unexpected to be like this--am I correct in my assumption that you were raised like this? If not then you are an especially exceptional young lady and I would be grateful if you can share how you attained such a state at such a young age in this Kalyug. Regards. Nanda Kother TAD VISNOH PARAMAM PADAM (Rg Veda 1.22.20)----------------- Dear Kiransharing stages of sadhana like the one you did would help all those who are in the path. As Venu Komanduri rightly said details of situations which put test to our equanimity would help. I wanted to share one of my friend's experience to site an example. He has been in the sadhana of advaita and his main approach is acceptance of events in life as God willed and he beleives that whatever happens, though presently may appear as something unwelcome, is God willed and must be right and we should accept it and in it only our welfare lies. That does not mean one should not make an effort to come out of an unpleasant situation. accept the present upset and do whatever you consider best in the circumsatances and again prepare to accept the outcome. This approach of my friend was put to a test in recent times and as I observed him he could apply his phylosophy successfully to a practical situation. Apart from other investments of his savings he put substantial amount in equity market and the market went down due to recession significantly reducing his portfolio. Though occasionally the thought that he should have sold at the peak came to him, his phylosophy immediately came to his rescue and he accepted the situation as God's will and he is planning to rearrange the portfolio as many good scrips are available at attractive valuations. Observing him at close quarters I could see his equanimity achieved due to firm belief in God's will and preparedness to do what he considers best to come out of the situation. He is also in a state as yours. His approach is avoiding ragam and dwesham. But he believes that any effort from his side to achieve that is not some thing that he does but it is due to grace of God only. He has no desires left to be fulfilled in this incarnation and is in the process of converting his jnana revealed in prasthana thrayam in to vijnana. R. Podury---------------- PRIOR POSTING -Shree Hari- Karnatiji, I will keep this brief, as there is a sense of urgency in my soul to type this. Three Greek words, borrowed by the Desert Fathers, to describe the process ofthe path to GOD. Step 1 Arcadia, (being at peace with the world to feel the call). Step 2 Apathea, (Very calm quieten of the mind, but the turbulence beneath the calmness can erupt, one should be ever vigilant, and pass on through). Step 2 Agape (pronounced agopay). (Divine Love to embrace The Beloved.....). Where are you? To stay firmly fixed in peace, and not to move on, is as one monk put it, "Is the shortest route to Hell'. Karnatiji, look at your reactions to what I have written to gauge where you are. This I have written in the Spirit of Agape. With Respect and Divine Love, Mike (Keenor). ----- Dear Kiran I am glad to see your expression of your mental state. You suggested that you derived your mental state of calm / quite etc from the discussion of this forum. Please do share your experiences / examples with all of us on your perception of detachmet, quiteness and calmness for the benefit of all of us. Bless you with whole-heart. Before closing: Did you come across any situation in life when common man loses his balance of mind? Let us know about such situation and your reaction. RegardsVenu Komanduri ------------ PRIOR POSTING Shree Hari || Ram Ram || Dear Sadhak, Congratulations on your grand achievement at such an early age! The questionnaturally comes, how were you able to accomplish this at this young age, pls.guide us, and be kind to give some tips so that we can follow. May be for you,the homework was already done in the previous life!. Pls. forgive me for bringing up a word of caution! I hope I am wrong in myjudgment. For a person who truly attains the Supreme, at that state ofevolution, who is left there to say that "I" have accomplished it? Supposing we have a cup which we fill with water up to the brim, we can say thecup is completely full. But when we drown the cup in the ocean, the cup is alsofull, it has water on all of the sides, the cup has lost its identity. Thedifferent rivers entering the ocean have names and some special features, anunique distinction about them but after merging with ocean there is nodistinction left any more. We cannot use the same yard stick as we normally use for the worldly success. Onbeing successful in worldly affairs, we make a definite point to tell everyonewe know, they get impressed, giving a big boost to our ego, which may become ananother issue to deal with. Generally, when someone asks a highly evolved saint or a self realized soul -have they realized God? Or how far along they are in their spiritual journey,they will hesitate to respond. || Ram Ram || Humble regards,Madan Kaura -------------- Are you in touch with your higher self or have you awakened fully to your higherself and thus discarded the ego? "Lift up the self by the Self And do not let the self droop down. For the Selfis the self's only friend And the self is the Self's only foe." - Sri Krishna(from The Bhagavad Gita) Ben-------------Dear 26 year old Sadhak, Namaskar, you said that you are in perfect synchronous withgod. You are in touch with that higher self. And you are asking what else isleft for you after this and What indications, signs, symptoms that one can see,after attaining God. My dear, you are under a great illusion...whatever you feel is not true. For onereason, I can say...persons who go so close to God, do not declare so and do notask what is left for them to achieve... they simply enjoy the bliss ... ....Gee Waman------------- PRIOR POSTING Dear Friend I would like to hear more about your experience and yourprocess/journey.As desired by you,Some of the indications,signs & symptomson attaining God may be as under :-1)Gita 18:73 -Gata SandehaHe is past doubt.Actions,thoughts and feelings are spontaneous andhe is never in doubt.2)Gita 18:61 -Sarva BhutanamGod resides in heart of every being.He feels presence of God ineveryone.For him all are same and equalintrinsically.The difference is outwardly and superfluous as everybeing are on the path of God realizationand will reach there sooner or later.3) His peace is very deep & indestructible-Parma Shanty4)He is always connected with God .Gita 13:22,Parmatmeti Chapyukto5)He has surrendered to God completely 18:62,18:666)Tat Prasada-18:62,He experiences Grace of God.7)Soul is Omnipresent,permanent and motionless 2:248)His actions are desireless or he has no desire,aspirations. regards Ashok Jain----------------------------Dear Sadak,Thus says a sadak Sri Mahalakshmiji--"Mahalaksmi Dasi youth has a way of coatingthe jiva with pride....and until you have crossed that boundary, you areabsolutely NOT a yogi"God shows benovolence, Karuniyam, abundant love on us in spite of neglectingHIM. That is way we also have to be atleast very little of that. If a childasks, "Can I see God". Our immediate reply to be "very much YES". May be childnext asks How etc etc. For that we may reply managingly. The first answer "Yes"is the encouragement, confidence, interest, and eagerness to know more aboutGod. The blunt answer "NO" and further saying it is difficult to crossboundaries with dipress the sadak Kiran (May be not Kiran exactly). IfParamathuma sankals Kiran can become Yogi. Let all of us be benovolent,Karuniya, to the extent possible. Puran shows even to an enemy one should bekind. Pardon me Madam for this statement.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan------------------------------Dear Yogi Ji, Jai Shri Krishna How you come to know you are in perfect synchronous with God?. What is thedefinition of a Yogi? Read Shri Gita first and follow it, then there shall be noexplanation from your end that I am 26....I am yogi...Let others say.. Let GodSay. Hare Krishna Mahesh Sharma---------------------- PRIOR POSTING Jai Hanuman Sadhak Karnatiji ! Once a listener asked Swamiji RamsukhdasjiMaharaj - Sir, I want to have a Guru. Please refer name of the bestGuru for me. The Realised Mahatma smiled and stated: I have not understood yourrequest. The person repeated what he spoke earlier. The Great Mahatma told- Iam not talking about your words.I have understood words spoken byyou. I am telling that I have not understood sense behind what youstated. If you state that I am the person who is capable to judgeand tell you the name of the best person according to me (Guru) foryou, does not it mean that I am better than him? How then he can bethe best? Do you get me, Sadhak Karnatiji ? Namaste Jee Jee JeeShashikala--------------------------- Contemplate on questions "what is left for whom?", who is awaitingthe symptoms, who wants to see and what? who attained God? Expression, expansion, creation could flows out........in thatstate....... or could be nothing........ Sushil Jain ---------------------------Dear Karnati Kiran,Honestly after thoroughly investigating within yourself please tellwhy you have written that you are 26 years old. you are perfectsynchronous, just because all sadaks are talking about the sameParabhraman in different view. They are not talking of 2 differentGods.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan----------------------------Shree Hari- To clarify a point, is being a Yogi a means to an end not an end initself? Dear Karnati Kiran, Have you reached and moved beyond the stages mentioned in Holy GitaCh. 18: 72. Has this been heard with one-pointed mind, Arjuna? Has thedelusion of your ignorance been fully routed out, Dhananjaya? 73. Routed out is my illusion as I have gained my memory (knowledge)through your grace, Krishna! I am firm; my doubts are gone. I willactaccording to your word. Do you remember? If so keep chopping wood and carrying water, be humble. What can I say? With Respect and Divine Love, Mike (Keenor). ----------------------------- If you are in touch with the higher Self then what more indications,signs or symptoms do you need ? All of us are on the same path buthave not reached the destination. It will take several births. Ittook Buddha a hundred births to become the Buddha. You are indeedvery lucky to have achieved it in one birth. Congratulations. Youshould guide us instead as to how you attained nirvanna or moksha.Do share your experiences. Hari Shanker Deo ------------PRIOR POSTINGHare KrishnaThat's very nice of you. Since you have reached such a point, Idon't think you need any instruction. After attaining GodRamsukhdasji didn't looked any different than us. Difference is inthe mental condition. He thought and worked for others. He didnothing for himself. If you have reached that stage, you shouldinstruct us.Ashok Goenka------------------ My dandavat pranams to all in this forum....although I may be a great fool, I can occasionally recognizeone who is more foolish than myself.....there aren't too many, as iam truly a fallen jiva, unable to fathom when the mercy of the Lordwill fall on me.In response to Karnati, do you know the story of Narada Muni,telling first Lord Siva, and then Visnu, that he had conqueredcupid? Lord Siva warned him, "do not say this again to anyoneelse".....but Narada Muni did not listen. So, a very beautifulpastime ensued, wherein Narada fell in love with Laksmi, went to hersvaryamvar, where she was to choose her husband......and knew notwhy the goddess and everyone else looked at him with disgust. Shechose Visnu as her mate, but then, Narada happened to catch sight ofhis complextion in a pool of water....he had been transformed intohaving the face of a monkey!!!So, my dear girl, in the same way that Narada Muni challenged thepower of the Lord,and was humiliated you will find very soon, thatyouth has a way of coating the jiva with pride....and until you havecrossed that boundary, you are absolutely NOT a yogi.My dandavat pranams.Mahalaksmi Dasi------------------------ Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!If what Kiranji says is his genuine experience, then just sit back,relax and enjoy the ride, you are in the hands of perfect Charioteer(Saarathi) on this journey!You can verify doubts, if any, by reading Gita.However, since you ask about some indicators, signs, symptoms fromGita to confirm, there may be some lingering doubts which may beremoved by constant satsang, and obtaining clarifications fromRealized one like Swamiji! Truth keeps coming acoss you from alldirections with your kind of a mind-set, and everytime you say YESto It, you will receive!Just go deep within more and more, I am sure you will discoverhidden gems! Don't let the flame extinguish, you may see more onthe way. You will see that "I am in touch with that Higher self"(asyou say) will be discovered to be YOURSELF standing ALONE!True "YOU" and higher Self are ONE, not two!Sadhakas best wishes are with you!Namaskar............ Pratap Bhatt---------------------- Karnati Kiran says he is in complete peace and calm, that he isdetached from everything he does and thinks, and that he is perfectsynchronization with God and in touch with higher self. If hecontinues that way he will himself get answers to all the questionshe has raised. He need not worry about the further symptoms /indicators to lose his peace. he can only search for the answers tohis questions from within. And, for this he needs to onlyconcentrate on thinking about God and remove his ego ( he stillseeks answers to questions as if they are his own).He is a blessed person. Basudeb Sen--------------First of all a person is serene peace with himself - what is the useof that person to the society. it is something like you possess asuper weapon and you are not willing to wage a lawful legitimate war. Peace can come from two totally different things. the superior one islike krishna, in the midst of war of the civilization, un willing anddeliberately foregoing the chance to take up arms, fully incognizance of the destruction that was going to be caused and fullyaccepting and in some ways conducting the same, -- and still notperturbed even an iota by the blood shed around him -- not because hewas stony hearted, but he knew and accepted it fully. The bad one is from tamas, not doing anything. just acceptingwhatever comes ones way. not caring one way or another for anybrickbats or aspiring for anything. peace can be yours too. Some times the second man is mistaken for a yogi. i am not sayingthat your peace is of the second nature above. it is just adescription. Now to your question what next, what did krishna do ? when he wasconsidered "yogeshwar" by such exalted souls like Bhishma ? did hesit idly ? who asked him to get entangled in bharatha war ? why hecould not have settled himself in his small kingdom ? why did he getembroiled in it ? What is your swadharma ? did you go by it ? And Finally WAIT. The mother nature has answers for you Siva ------------Dear Sadhak Please read Gita Mahatmaya and even after becoming yogi you willseek almighty God and there are no further births and deaths and youfinally seek Salvation,liberation, nirvana or god realizationThis is a short replyTruly yours S S Bhatt----------------------- -----------GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE - FOR QUESTIONER1. The questions as far as possible must be relavant to Gita,relavant to Dharma, relavant to other scriptures and relavant tomotivate Sadhaks to take up spiritual path2. The Questioner must commit to daily Gita study3. Only one question at a time.4. Question must be brief, to the point and relavant to the group'sprimary aim of deeper understanding of Gita. FOR RESPONDER1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible.3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to theextent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. Be as concise, to the point, relevant and respectful of sadhaka'stime.5. Focus on subject at hand only.6. Do not include links to the other sites.7. Do not include your personal information (Ph #, address etc).8. Do not personalize message9. All responses may not be posted.10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting.11. Take into consideration the novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. i.e. limit the use to Sanskrit words only.Provide English word bracketed. MODERATORRam Ram------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- Post message: @grou ps.comSubscribe: - Un: -unsubscri be ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 For me i am detached with everything.My mind is calm,my heart is in peace.When i read through yourso many mails, i understand that i am in perfect synchronous withgod. I am in touch with that higher self.I am 26yr old.What else isleft for me after this. What indications, signs, symptoms that onecan see, after attaining God. Does Gita state some specific indicators other than peace,detachment, calmness, perfect alignment and in touch with God? Thank YouWith Regards,Karnati Kiran------------ NEW POSTING My dear Karnati, My humble respects.....I will tell you briefly of the path I have embraced. It is that of bhakti yoga. In the ancient scriptures of India, the description of this path has been given, that we are re-awakening a relationship which we constitiounally have with the Supreme Lord in one of five rasas, or tastes....these five are neutrality,servitorship, friendship, parental afftection, and conjugal love. These five different relationships can be exchanged with the Supreme Lord, according to what is the inherent mood of our soul. So, in answer to your question, there is definitely literatures such as Bhakti Rasamrta Sindhu, Bhakti Rasyana, and many many other books which give description of the process by which the jiva can be elevated to his or her relationship with Bhagavan Sri Krsna. This relationship is not impersonal, and it is not tinged with the inebrieties of this world such as lust, anger, greed, malice, etc. Relationships cannot be stopped....generally speaking, we do not find anyone who is completely devoid of the desire for and the enactment of relationship. Therefore, it is in our best interest to investigate, "What is our relationship with the Suupreme Being"? Respectfully, Mahalaksmi Dasi ------- Nothing but pure and unalloyed Bliss. Love and Love alone.....Paritala Gopi Krishna ---------- Your obligation is to teach what U have accomplished. d. mankikar --------- Dear Sadhakas,Hare Krishna,In Bhagavatam ,Canto4, chapter 8,Slokam 61, it says if we are serious about liberation, we must practice the process of transcendental loving service, engaging constantly in the highest stage of ecstacyand we must be away from sense gratification.There are different stages of perfection for different person"s goals. People in general are Karmis They engage in activities pertaining to sense gratification. Above the Karmis are Jnanis who are trying for material detachment .Yogis are more advanced, since they meditatate on the Lord. Above all there are devotees who engage in the transcendental service of the Lord. They are on the topmost level.Of the activities, Dharma( Moral Conduct and Principles), Artha ( Material Wealth), Kama( Lust Or Family life), and Moksha The Liberation), the first three are for sense gratification. When we go above the liberation then we become the associates and the eternal servants of the Lord to render transcendental service. This is Vimukti. For this Vimukti The liberation, Narada Muni advises that we directly engage ourselves in devotional service.Lord Krishna Says , " devan deva-yajo yanti, mad bhakta yanti mam api" ( Bhagavad-Gita, 7, 23) which means " My devotees ultimately reach My supreme planet".We have a choice to worship whomever we want. If we worship demigods, we reach their planet. But we still have to come back and born again. Once we reach the planet o f the supreme personality of Godhead, there is no question of rebirth.Kaliyuge Smaranan Muktih.(. Devotional service, transcendental loving service in the form of chanting ( Japa Yajna), is highly recommended for this age) and it is very practical.Hare KrishnaPrasad.A.Iragavarapu, M.D ----------------- PRIOR POSTING Namaste In Geeta Chapter 14, Arjuna asks certain pertinent questions regarding the transcending of the gunas, when the stage of the Perfect Man is attained: When the seer beholds no agent other than the Gunas and knows That which is higher than the Gunas, he attains to My being. The embodied one having gone beyond these three Gunas out of which the body is evolved, is freed from birth, death, decay and pain, and attains to immortality. Arjuna said: By what marks, O Lord, is he (known) who has gone beyond these three Gunas? What is his conduct, and how does he pass beyond these three Gunas? The Blessed Lord said: He who hates not the appearance of light, (the effect of Sattva), activity (the effect of Rajas), and delusion (the effect of Tamas), (in his own mind), O Pandava, nor longs for them when absent; He who, sitting like one unconcerned, is moved not by the Gunas, who, knowing that the Gunas operate, is centred in the Self and swerves not;Alike in pleasure and pain, abiding in Self, regarding a clod of earth, a stone and gold alike; the same to agreeable and disagreeable, firm, the same in censure and, praise; The same in honour and disgrace, the same to friend and foe, relinquishing all undertakings "he is said to have gone beyond the Gunas. 25And he who serves Me with an unswerving devotion, he, going beyond the Gunas, is fitted for becoming Brahman. For I am the abode of Brahman, the Immortal and Immutable, of everlasting Dharma and of Absolute BlissGEETA 14: 19 to 27 The above is the description of a man who has transcended the 3 gunas. Such a man is Udaasin - deatched / uninvolved and therefore unwavering. To stand apart and look at the modes functioning within oneself is indeed a supremely spiritual state. To look at one's habits and yet to be separate from them; to see one's activities and yet to regard oneself as not the actor of those activities; to perceive one' virtues and accomplishments and yet lay no claim over them - this is the characteristic of one who has freed himself from all conditioning. To allow the modes to function according to their nature, and yet not get entangled in their functioning - this is the supreme state where the opposites are transcended, not merely balanced. To be aware of the functioning of the Tamas, the Rajas, and the Sattva, and yet not interfere with them - this indeed is freedom from all conditioning. In such a state the mind of man is rendered pure and innocent capable of responding to the gentlest touch of the Supreme and the Transcendental. Such a being, who serves Bhagavan with unswerving devotion, having gone beyond the Gunas is fitted for becoming Brahman. Ram Ram Deosaran Bisnath--------------- My dearest Karnati, What is the activity of a self realized soul? Certainly if we understood this, we would all be extemely instrumental in bringing the atmosphere of Mother Earth back to purity and goodness. I have found grat happiness in looking for persons who are handicapped or ill, and offering some kindness. In the near future, I will be meeting a lady I have never met, who will be having three operations in May, is undergoing kemotherapy for cancer, and is very much in need of support. Whatever assistance and help I can give her, I feel will only make me a better person. Last month I was directed to a woman who had fallen coming off a bus, and tore all the ligaments in her knees....she was bedridden for 4 months, and was just beginning to find the courage to come outside in her wheelchair. I was fortunate to be able to help her get to two doctors appointments, so she could get some financial support. Love is a word which has many definitions. Perhaps it is one of the most written about poetic themes. Rarely do we see anyone amongst us who understands it. When we do, then we will understand that that person has truly achieved a relationship with the Supreme....give your love, Karnati! Pray for ways to shine out to the world.praying to heed these words,Mahalaksmi Dasi--- Dear Sadhak insight,When you are with God. Nothing remains . Please surrender your self to merge with Him and realize Him.This is a short understanding.Truly yours S S Bhatt----Dear Sadak Karnati Kiran,Do what Bagavan in Geetha said in a Sloka, " Sarva Dharmaan---" (Gita 18:66) a Yogi certainly one shall be.B.Sathyanarayan ---Dear MikeIt was good to read your reference to agape love. Across the world violence as a response to perceived injustice is on the rise. Martin Luther King suggests a different response to injustice — the path of love. But the love he spoke of was no ordinary love. In an essay written in 1957, King elaborated the very different meanings of three words for love in the Greek New Testament. Eros, in Platonic philosophy, means the yearning of the soul for the realm of the divine. It has come now to mean a sort of aesthetic or romantic love. Philia signifies the intimate love between friends, a reciprocal love, where we love because we are loved. But the love King advocates is best expressed in the Greek word agape. Agape implies understanding. It intimates a "creative, redeeming goodwill for all, an overflowing love which seeks nothing in return. Agape is not a weak, passive love. It is love in action." Thus explained, agape comes very close to the ideal of lokasangraham — action motivated ultimately by the holding together of the peoples of the world — the climax of the enunciation of karma yoga in Chapter 3 of the Bhagavad Gita.Through a profound inversion of Nietzsche's critique of Christianity, King provides a reconceptualisation of the relationship between power and love. Nietzsche sought to determine the conditions of a new affirmation of life by overcoming what he regarded as the nihilistic despair produced by Christian values. King interrogates the very terms of this problematique by providing a radical restatement of his own spiritual tradition. He questions the legacy of viewing love and power as polar opposites, where love appears as a rescinding of power, and power as a rejection of love. This again is similar to the case against abdication of action in the Bhagavad Gita. King argues that "power without love is reckless and abusive, and love without power is sentimental and anaemic." And this new understanding of power helps King positively formulate the unbreakable bond between love and justice: "power at its best is love implementing the demands of justice, and justice at its best is power correcting everything that stands against love." Indeed, it would appear that without fana or annihilation of the ego as expounded in Sufi theosophy, without an outpouring of agape love that Martin Luther King evoked, movement towards a more just social order will remain a delusion. Mihir Shah --- PRIOR POSTING Hari Om A lot of requests have already been made to the questioner to share her experiences of being in "touch with Paramatma". Let me therefore address the state of "realisation". I liked immensely response of Brother Mike because I got the feeling that all religions of the world in the end start looking similar. In Ken Upanishad this state is explained beautifully. There disciple who has realised Paramatma says to Guru: Quote I don't assume that I have properly and fully known the element. Nor I assume that I don't know the element, because I know actually. I have no doubts as to whether I have realised God or not realised. Among all of us whoever has known the element (God) , only that person can understand the meaning of the aforesaid words by me. Unquote This Divine Sadhaks is egoless "Sahaj Avastha" (Natural state) In that God element there is no velocity/reach/travel (gati) of mind, intellect and speech. All organs of body return having not found Him. The experience of that element does not get created/aroused inside. If it gets created or if it rises , it must end/extinguish/set also. The element is "experience" in itself. You only have to throw a glance at it. In Yoga Vasishtha, Lord Rama asks Q to Sage Vasishtha- "Sir , what is Brahma referred by you, how that looks like" ? As soon as Guru heard Q of Rama, he (Vasishtha) became silent. After sometime Rama again asked the Q. Great Guru then replied - I have already answered you. That means "silence" is the answer. There is neither any mind nor any intellect/speech/questions/answers/words etc are there. Only silence is there. Silence is the speech of Guru, dispelling the doubts of chellas. Jai Shree Krishna Vyas N B ---- Dear Karnati, It feels great to hear your experience. This 'detachment' should not be a momentary phase. You have to be stable /'sthir' in this stage. Which means this is a phase you should practise to live in. What happens as we climb the spiritual ladder, at times we are so much at peace with ourselves that we feel that we have attained the ultimate stage. But this is not the case. What has been built through years of practise can get lost in one transient moment. It is like the structures we build in sand on the beach, just one rising wave and everything is wiped away. We can overcome this through 'consistent effort' and further strengthening the edifice of our faith and detachment. When the Loveliest Lord will find you fitting enough to climb the next ladder in spirituality, he will take you there with his own hands. One important thing that I have heard from 'bhaktas' at this stage is either they develop an arrogance about the fact that they have become detached or they might just get a little lax and fall into the worldly temptations. Just be a little cautious of both. Pray to the Loveliest Lord and he will carry you through. GoOd Luck....Kalapana Tyagi----------- Dear sadhak, KING JANAKA, KRISHNAJI BHAGWAN, ARJUNA IN MORDERN TIMES JALARAM BAPU, MAHTAMA GANDHI, WERE ALL YOGIS, BUT THEY DID KARMAYOGA AND DID THEIR DHARMA, KARMA, KAMA, MOKSHA LEARN FROM THEM, BECOME A LIBERATED GOD CONCIOUS SOUL LIKE THEM AND DO WHAT THEY DID KARMA WITHOUT ATTACHEMENT AND FOR VEDIC, VARNAASHRAM, GRAHASTHAASHRAM DUITES, THAT IS LEFT AFTER BECOMING AYOGI, REMEMBER SHRI KRISHNA BHAGWAN SAYA IN GITA:-"I AM PERFECT BUT STILL DOING KARMAS AS IF I DONT DO KARMAS I WILL BE THE CAUSE FOR CHAOS.......? AS WHAT AGREAT MAN DOES GENERAL PEOPLE DO FOLLOW SAME, HUMBLE REGARDS BOW TO LORD KRISHNA WITH OBEIANSIS REGARDS KALRAV PANDE ------------ PRIOR POSTING Dear Karnati Kiran Ji, Pranaam. At your age, when you are born and raised in the home of good Dharmic parents and were sheltered from Adharmic influences then it is not unexpected to be like this--am I correct in my assumption that you were raised like this? If not then you are an especially exceptional young lady and I would be grateful if you can share how you attained such a state at such a young age in this Kalyug. Regards. Nanda Kother TAD VISNOH PARAMAM PADAM (Rg Veda 1.22.20)----------------- Dear Kiransharing stages of sadhana like the one you did would help all those who are in the path. As Venu Komanduri rightly said details of situations which put test to our equanimity would help. I wanted to share one of my friend's experience to site an example. He has been in the sadhana of advaita and his main approach is acceptance of events in life as God willed and he beleives that whatever happens, though presently may appear as something unwelcome, is God willed and must be right and we should accept it and in it only our welfare lies. That does not mean one should not make an effort to come out of an unpleasant situation. accept the present upset and do whatever you consider best in the circumsatances and again prepare to accept the outcome. This approach of my friend was put to a test in recent times and as I observed him he could apply his phylosophy successfully to a practical situation. Apart from other investments of his savings he put substantial amount in equity market and the market went down due to recession significantly reducing his portfolio. Though occasionally the thought that he should have sold at the peak came to him, his phylosophy immediately came to his rescue and he accepted the situation as God's will and he is planning to rearrange the portfolio as many good scrips are available at attractive valuations. Observing him at close quarters I could see his equanimity achieved due to firm belief in God's will and preparedness to do what he considers best to come out of the situation. He is also in a state as yours. His approach is avoiding ragam and dwesham. But he believes that any effort from his side to achieve that is not some thing that he does but it is due to grace of God only. He has no desires left to be fulfilled in this incarnation and is in the process of converting his jnana revealed in prasthana thrayam in to vijnana. R. Podury---------------- PRIOR POSTING -Shree Hari- Karnatiji, I will keep this brief, as there is a sense of urgency in my soul to type this. Three Greek words, borrowed by the Desert Fathers, to describe the process ofthe path to GOD. Step 1 Arcadia, (being at peace with the world to feel the call). Step 2 Apathea, (Very calm quieten of the mind, but the turbulence beneath the calmness can erupt, one should be ever vigilant, and pass on through). Step 2 Agape (pronounced agopay). (Divine Love to embrace The Beloved.....). Where are you? To stay firmly fixed in peace, and not to move on, is as one monk put it, "Is the shortest route to Hell'. Karnatiji, look at your reactions to what I have written to gauge where you are. This I have written in the Spirit of Agape. With Respect and Divine Love, Mike (Keenor). ----- Dear Kiran I am glad to see your expression of your mental state. You suggested that you derived your mental state of calm / quite etc from the discussion of this forum. Please do share your experiences / examples with all of us on your perception of detachmet, quiteness and calmness for the benefit of all of us. Bless you with whole-heart. Before closing: Did you come across any situation in life when common man loses his balance of mind? Let us know about such situation and your reaction. RegardsVenu Komanduri ------------ PRIOR POSTING Shree Hari || Ram Ram || Dear Sadhak, Congratulations on your grand achievement at such an early age! The questionnaturally comes, how were you able to accomplish this at this young age, pls.guide us, and be kind to give some tips so that we can follow. May be for you,the homework was already done in the previous life!. Pls. forgive me for bringing up a word of caution! I hope I am wrong in myjudgment. For a person who truly attains the Supreme, at that state ofevolution, who is left there to say that "I" have accomplished it? Supposing we have a cup which we fill with water up to the brim, we can say thecup is completely full. But when we drown the cup in the ocean, the cup is alsofull, it has water on all of the sides, the cup has lost its identity. Thedifferent rivers entering the ocean have names and some special features, anunique distinction about them but after merging with ocean there is nodistinction left any more. We cannot use the same yard stick as we normally use for the worldly success. Onbeing successful in worldly affairs, we make a definite point to tell everyonewe know, they get impressed, giving a big boost to our ego, which may become ananother issue to deal with. Generally, when someone asks a highly evolved saint or a self realized soul -have they realized God? Or how far along they are in their spiritual journey,they will hesitate to respond. || Ram Ram || Humble regards,Madan Kaura -------------- Are you in touch with your higher self or have you awakened fully to your higherself and thus discarded the ego? "Lift up the self by the Self And do not let the self droop down. For the Selfis the self's only friend And the self is the Self's only foe." - Sri Krishna(from The Bhagavad Gita) Ben-------------Dear 26 year old Sadhak, Namaskar, you said that you are in perfect synchronous withgod. You are in touch with that higher self. And you are asking what else isleft for you after this and What indications, signs, symptoms that one can see,after attaining God. My dear, you are under a great illusion...whatever you feel is not true. For onereason, I can say...persons who go so close to God, do not declare so and do notask what is left for them to achieve... they simply enjoy the bliss ... ....Gee Waman------------- PRIOR POSTING Dear Friend I would like to hear more about your experience and yourprocess/journey.As desired by you,Some of the indications,signs & symptomson attaining God may be as under :-1)Gita 18:73 -Gata SandehaHe is past doubt.Actions,thoughts and feelings are spontaneous andhe is never in doubt.2)Gita 18:61 -Sarva BhutanamGod resides in heart of every being.He feels presence of God ineveryone.For him all are same and equalintrinsically.The difference is outwardly and superfluous as everybeing are on the path of God realizationand will reach there sooner or later.3) His peace is very deep & indestructible-Parma Shanty4)He is always connected with God .Gita 13:22,Parmatmeti Chapyukto5)He has surrendered to God completely 18:62,18:666)Tat Prasada-18:62,He experiences Grace of God.7)Soul is Omnipresent,permanent and motionless 2:248)His actions are desireless or he has no desire,aspirations. regards Ashok Jain----------------------------Dear Sadak,Thus says a sadak Sri Mahalakshmiji--"Mahalaksmi Dasi youth has a way of coatingthe jiva with pride....and until you have crossed that boundary, you areabsolutely NOT a yogi"God shows benovolence, Karuniyam, abundant love on us in spite of neglectingHIM. That is way we also have to be atleast very little of that. If a childasks, "Can I see God". Our immediate reply to be "very much YES". May be childnext asks How etc etc. For that we may reply managingly. The first answer "Yes"is the encouragement, confidence, interest, and eagerness to know more aboutGod. The blunt answer "NO" and further saying it is difficult to crossboundaries with dipress the sadak Kiran (May be not Kiran exactly). IfParamathuma sankals Kiran can become Yogi. Let all of us be benovolent,Karuniya, to the extent possible. Puran shows even to an enemy one should bekind. Pardon me Madam for this statement.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan------------------------------Dear Yogi Ji, Jai Shri Krishna How you come to know you are in perfect synchronous with God?. What is thedefinition of a Yogi? Read Shri Gita first and follow it, then there shall be noexplanation from your end that I am 26....I am yogi...Let others say.. Let GodSay. Hare Krishna Mahesh Sharma---------------------- PRIOR POSTING Jai Hanuman Sadhak Karnatiji ! Once a listener asked Swamiji RamsukhdasjiMaharaj - Sir, I want to have a Guru. Please refer name of the bestGuru for me. The Realised Mahatma smiled and stated: I have not understood yourrequest. The person repeated what he spoke earlier. The Great Mahatma told- Iam not talking about your words.I have understood words spoken byyou. I am telling that I have not understood sense behind what youstated. If you state that I am the person who is capable to judgeand tell you the name of the best person according to me (Guru) foryou, does not it mean that I am better than him? How then he can bethe best? Do you get me, Sadhak Karnatiji ? Namaste Jee Jee JeeShashikala--------------------------- Contemplate on questions "what is left for whom?", who is awaitingthe symptoms, who wants to see and what? who attained God? Expression, expansion, creation could flows out........in thatstate....... or could be nothing........ Sushil Jain ---------------------------Dear Karnati Kiran,Honestly after thoroughly investigating within yourself please tellwhy you have written that you are 26 years old. you are perfectsynchronous, just because all sadaks are talking about the sameParabhraman in different view. They are not talking of 2 differentGods.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan----------------------------Shree Hari- To clarify a point, is being a Yogi a means to an end not an end initself? Dear Karnati Kiran, Have you reached and moved beyond the stages mentioned in Holy GitaCh. 18: 72. Has this been heard with one-pointed mind, Arjuna? Has thedelusion of your ignorance been fully routed out, Dhananjaya? 73. Routed out is my illusion as I have gained my memory (knowledge)through your grace, Krishna! I am firm; my doubts are gone. I willactaccording to your word. Do you remember? If so keep chopping wood and carrying water, be humble. What can I say? With Respect and Divine Love, Mike (Keenor). ----------------------------- If you are in touch with the higher Self then what more indications,signs or symptoms do you need ? All of us are on the same path buthave not reached the destination. It will take several births. Ittook Buddha a hundred births to become the Buddha. You are indeedvery lucky to have achieved it in one birth. Congratulations. Youshould guide us instead as to how you attained nirvanna or moksha.Do share your experiences. Hari Shanker Deo ------------PRIOR POSTINGHare KrishnaThat's very nice of you. Since you have reached such a point, Idon't think you need any instruction. After attaining GodRamsukhdasji didn't looked any different than us. Difference is inthe mental condition. He thought and worked for others. He didnothing for himself. If you have reached that stage, you shouldinstruct us.Ashok Goenka------------------ My dandavat pranams to all in this forum....although I may be a great fool, I can occasionally recognizeone who is more foolish than myself.....there aren't too many, as iam truly a fallen jiva, unable to fathom when the mercy of the Lordwill fall on me.In response to Karnati, do you know the story of Narada Muni,telling first Lord Siva, and then Visnu, that he had conqueredcupid? Lord Siva warned him, "do not say this again to anyoneelse".....but Narada Muni did not listen. So, a very beautifulpastime ensued, wherein Narada fell in love with Laksmi, went to hersvaryamvar, where she was to choose her husband......and knew notwhy the goddess and everyone else looked at him with disgust. Shechose Visnu as her mate, but then, Narada happened to catch sight ofhis complextion in a pool of water....he had been transformed intohaving the face of a monkey!!!So, my dear girl, in the same way that Narada Muni challenged thepower of the Lord,and was humiliated you will find very soon, thatyouth has a way of coating the jiva with pride....and until you havecrossed that boundary, you are absolutely NOT a yogi.My dandavat pranams.Mahalaksmi Dasi------------------------ Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!If what Kiranji says is his genuine experience, then just sit back,relax and enjoy the ride, you are in the hands of perfect Charioteer(Saarathi) on this journey!You can verify doubts, if any, by reading Gita.However, since you ask about some indicators, signs, symptoms fromGita to confirm, there may be some lingering doubts which may beremoved by constant satsang, and obtaining clarifications fromRealized one like Swamiji! Truth keeps coming acoss you from alldirections with your kind of a mind-set, and everytime you say YESto It, you will receive!Just go deep within more and more, I am sure you will discoverhidden gems! Don't let the flame extinguish, you may see more onthe way. You will see that "I am in touch with that Higher self"(asyou say) will be discovered to be YOURSELF standing ALONE!True "YOU" and higher Self are ONE, not two!Sadhakas best wishes are with you!Namaskar............ Pratap Bhatt---------------------- Karnati Kiran says he is in complete peace and calm, that he isdetached from everything he does and thinks, and that he is perfectsynchronization with God and in touch with higher self. If hecontinues that way he will himself get answers to all the questionshe has raised. He need not worry about the further symptoms /indicators to lose his peace. he can only search for the answers tohis questions from within. And, for this he needs to onlyconcentrate on thinking about God and remove his ego ( he stillseeks answers to questions as if they are his own).He is a blessed person. Basudeb Sen--------------First of all a person is serene peace with himself - what is the useof that person to the society. it is something like you possess asuper weapon and you are not willing to wage a lawful legitimate war. Peace can come from two totally different things. the superior one islike krishna, in the midst of war of the civilization, un willing anddeliberately foregoing the chance to take up arms, fully incognizance of the destruction that was going to be caused and fullyaccepting and in some ways conducting the same, -- and still notperturbed even an iota by the blood shed around him -- not because hewas stony hearted, but he knew and accepted it fully. The bad one is from tamas, not doing anything. just acceptingwhatever comes ones way. not caring one way or another for anybrickbats or aspiring for anything. peace can be yours too. Some times the second man is mistaken for a yogi. i am not sayingthat your peace is of the second nature above. it is just adescription. Now to your question what next, what did krishna do ? when he wasconsidered "yogeshwar" by such exalted souls like Bhishma ? did hesit idly ? who asked him to get entangled in bharatha war ? why hecould not have settled himself in his small kingdom ? why did he getembroiled in it ? What is your swadharma ? did you go by it ? And Finally WAIT. The mother nature has answers for you Siva ------------Dear Sadhak Please read Gita Mahatmaya and even after becoming yogi you willseek almighty God and there are no further births and deaths and youfinally seek Salvation,liberation, nirvana or god realizationThis is a short replyTruly yours S S Bhatt----------------------- -----------GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE - FOR QUESTIONER1. The questions as far as possible must be relavant to Gita,relavant to Dharma, relavant to other scriptures and relavant tomotivate Sadhaks to take up spiritual path2. The Questioner must commit to daily Gita study3. Only one question at a time.4. Question must be brief, to the point and relavant to the group'sprimary aim of deeper understanding of Gita. FOR RESPONDER1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible.3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to theextent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. 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