Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 || Shree Hari || Ram Ram II 2:34 II akeertim chaapi bhootaani, kathayishyanti te 'vyayaam sambhavitasya chakeertir, maranaad atirichyate " All beings will ever recount your undying infamy, in other words they will speak ill of you. That infamy brought on is surely worse than death for a man enjoying popular esteem . " From Gita Prabodhani in Hindi pg. 42 by Swami Ramsukhdasji --------------------------- Chapter 2, Verse 34 is as follows; Akeertim = dishonour / ill-fame Cha = and Api = also Bhootaani = living beings Kathayishyanti = will tell Te = your Avyayaam = everlasting / perpetual Sambhaavitasya = of the honoured Cha = and AkeertiH = dishonour MaraNaat = death Atirichyate = exceeds English translation:- People will ever recount your perpetual dishonour. To the honoured one, ill-fame is indeed worse than death. An ordinary person is always scared of death and he tries all means at his disposal to preserve his own life and prolong it at any cost. In Geeta RaamaayaNa in Marathi language written by Shri. G. D. Madagulkar, there is a nice illustration as follows; " Jaraa MaraNa Yaatunee Sutalaa KoNa PraaNijaata DuHkha Mukta Jagalaa Kaa Re KuNee Jeevanaata MaraNa Kalpaneshee Thaambe Tarka JaaNatyaanchaa " It means that there is no human being who is free from old-age, disease and ultimate death. There is none who has lived a life without sorrow. However, all the experts are unable to describe what happens after a death. A true warrior is the one who rises above the common fear of death and tries his best to protect and preserve the lives of everyone in the civil society and the nation, which he belongs to. By his willingness to sacrifice his own life while preserving the great cause, his glory increases and people regard him as their saviour from the evil and wicked ones. Arjuna had earned such a stellar reputation and he was regarded as the best archer in the world. Lord Krishna chides Arjuna that he must come out of the present state of utter despondency otherwise it will offer a ready fodder to the people who indulge in slander and calumny of others. They will project Arjuna as a spent force, who refused to face the realities of life and like a coward, ran away from the battlefield merely to protect his own skin. It will be indeed a matter of utter shame and indignation to Arjuna. If it ever happens that Arjuna finally abandons the battlefield, then all the 13 years of planning and preparation to fight the royal battle to uphold the righteousness will go down the drain. What a colossal waste of efforts and energy that will be! Lord Krishna has selected Arjuna to perform the divine task and therefore he tries his best to turn the tide and convince Arjuna to rise above the mundane existence and to fight the epic battle. Whenever a doctor prescribes a strong dose of antibiotics, one feels drowsy and weak. Similarly by the strong dose of Sankhya Yoga philosophy, Arjuna displays a mental fatigue and intellectual exhaustion. Lord Krishna is a smart teacher, who understands Arjuna's predicament and immediately changes his track, by toning down his appeal to a mundane level of a common speak. The very thought of `dishonour' strikes Arjuna like a sharp arrow. To a true warrior, meeting death on a battlefield is the supreme honour that he longs for. In such a death, he does not lose his name and fame. Whereas, by abandoning his obligatory duties, Arjuna faces the prospects of dis-credit, strong rebuke and infamy for the rest of his life. Arjuna is certainly not prepared to lead such a disgraceful life. It reminds me of a very nice Sanskrit Shloka, which is as follows; " Nindantu Neeti NipuNaH Yadi Vaa Stuvantu, LakshmeeH Samaavishatu Gachchhatu Vaa Ythaa Ishtam Adya Eva Vaa MaraNastu Yugaantare Vaa NyayaaH Pathat Pravichalanti Padam Na DheeraaH " Let the experts in ethical conduct may rebuke or praise, let the Goddess of Wealth – Lakshmee may bless or depart; today – tomorrow – until the death or even beyond the change of an age; the steps of the wise, intelligent and resolute ones do not deviate from the path of honesty and justice, as they are not unduly worried about their name, fame and wealth. Arjuna was certainly not of the calibre of the wise, intelligent and resolute ones. Therefore, being a true warrior, the fear of `Akeerti' i.e. dishonour appeals to Arjuna the most, as he does not wish to attract any blemish to his entire career full of valour and honour. Thanks & Best Regards, Shrikant Joshi ----------------------------- OTHER SADHAKS From Gita 2:33 Exalted Sadhaks Is swadharma peculiar to a person ? or to a group ? In these days of multi various activities and groups, how can we identify our own swadharmas Is swadharma a character trait acquired after birth or something ingrained in you and how to use the same to purge yourself of the vasanas Is not the vasanas that dictate how you will act in a given circumstance? then is swadharma subject to vasanas? if so, how swadharma paripalanam can relieve you of ur vasanas ? Please explain Siva " wannabe.acharya " ------------------------------ Shree Hari ALL SADHAKS CAN RESPOND TO ABOVE QUESTION. GT Moderators, RAM RAM ------------------------------- -Shree Hari- Dear Shrikant, Reading your great presentation stimulated a couple of thoughts. When looking at human beings,(same can apply to mammals, harder to monitor). Giving an example; my wife apparently when first put into a row boat as a young child was paralyzed with fear, still hates boats. My daughter in law, is totally freaked out by even a small lizard, totally harmless as lizards are. People have inexplicable phobias.(When viewed with western logic). Other side of the coin; one of my sons was so musicale, that within months his music teacher told us that she could no longer teach him, he had learned so fast,(remembered?). Surely these are impression from previous lives and are part of the mix. I wish to clarify a point, the dialogue and imagery of the Bhagavad Gita, although historical and geographic, is also allegorical, yes? With Respect and Divine Love, Mike Keenor ------------------------------ BHAGAVAD GITA RESOURCES Please see list of Bhagavad Gita resources at: http://www.karmayog.org/bhagavadgita/ (compiled by karmayog.com) Shrikantji / Sadhaks if you have come across other great resources, please kindly send note to us with link. Ram Ram =============================================================== || Shree Hari || Ram Ram All Sadhaks can and should contribute as well. Discussion / clarification is encouraged OTHER REQUESTS FROM SADHAKS - Please feel free to take the lead in any of these areas so that all sadhaks may benefit. - Introduction to Chapters (GT MODERATOR FROM SADHAK SANJIVANI) - Chapter Summary - Principles and Laws emanating from it.(N.B. VYAS) - Summary of Chapter from Sadhak Sanjivani " AS IS " - Yes, Epilogue / Important Facts in each verse good to bring out. - Any subtle thoughts / interpretation (MIKE) - In-depth explanation of " Om Tat Saditi Srimadbhagavadgitaasu, Upanishadsu..... " is a very good idea. (GT MODERATOR FROM SADHAK SANJIVANI) From Gita Talk Moderators Ram Ram ----------------------------- Shree Hari Ram Ram We deeply thank Shri Shrikantji Joshi for taking the initiative to support this divine work of daily one verse Bhagavad Gita explanation and Shri Madan Kauraji for the Gita Prabodhani translation Chapter 1 and 2 and to Mrs. K Asani for requesting shloka explanation on a daily basis. From Gita Talk Moderators Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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