Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 || Shree Hari ||Ram Ram Gita 2:46 - From Sadhak Sanjivani Link: — In the next verse, Lord Krishna explains what one achieves by transcending the three gunas (attributes). yaavaanartha udapaane sarvatah samplutodake taavaansarveshu vedeshu braahmanasya vijaanatah || 46 || As on obtaining a reservoir of water filled on all sides there is no use for a small tank of water, likewise a Brahmana, who realizes the ultimate reality (described in Vedas and other scriptures), has the same use for all the Vedas, or say no use at all of the Vedas. || 46 || Comment:— 'Yavanartha udapane sarvatah samplutodake' — On attaining a large reservoir, vast as an ocean and filled with clean, pure water, man no longer needs the small tanks at all. Moreover the small water tank becomes dirty and impure on washing your hands and feet and thereafter is not good enough for bathing; and if one bathes in it, then it is no longer suitable for washing clothes. And if clothes are washed in it, then it becomes unsuitable for drinking. But in a large reservoir where the water remains unaffected in spite of doing everything, in other words it remains clean, pure, untainted and as-is at all times. Tavaansarveshu vedeshu braahmanasya vijaanatah' — Likewise those illumed souls that have realized the ultimate reality (Paramatmatattva), the oblations, charities, penances and pilgrimages etc., and all other virtuous actions mentioned in the Vedas, have nothing to do with them. In other words virtuous actions become like little puddles of water. The same kind of comparison has been made, in the seventieth verse, that the emancipated great souls are unfathomable like the deep ocean, as several rivers fall into it but its magnitude remains the same, similarly the illumined souls remain undisturbed though several kinds of pleasure and enjoyment come in front of them. A great soul who possesses knowledge of Paramatma (Supreme Consciousness, the Lord), the Vedas and the scriptures is called 'Brahmanasya vijaanatah.' By using the term 'taavaan', Lord Krishna means to say that the great soul after realizing Paramatma (God) transcends the three attributes (modes), rises above the pairs of opposites viz., becomes free from attachment and aversion, and becomes ever established in the Self and remains entirely unconcerned about provision and preservation. He always remains devoted and immersed in God. Appendix—There is no end to worldly pleasures. There are endless universes and there are endless pleasures in them. But if they are renounced and one becomes detached from them, they come to an end. Similarly there are endless desires. However, if they are renounced, and if one becomes desire-less, then these desires come to an end. From "Srimad Bhagavadgita - Sadhak Sanjivani" in English pg 175-176 by Swami Ramuskhdasji. ---------|| Shree Hari ||Ram RamAll Sadhaks can and should contribute as well. Discussion / clarification is encouragedOTHER REQUESTS FROM SADHAKS -Please feel free to take the lead in any of these areas so that allsadhaks may benefit.- Introduction to Chapters (GT MODERATOR FROM SADHAK SANJIVANI)- Chapter Summary - Principles and Laws emanating from it.(N.B. VYAS)- Summary of Chapter from Sadhak Sanjivani "AS IS"- Yes, Epilogue / Important Facts in each verse good to bring out.- Any subtle thoughts / interpretation (MIKE)- In-depth explanation of "Om Tat Saditi Srimadbhagavadgitaasu,Upanishadsu....." is a very good idea. (GT MODERATOR FROM SADHAKSANJIVANI)From Gita Talk ModeratorsRam Ram----------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 || Shree Hari || Ram Ram || 2-46 || yaavan aartha udapaane, sarvatah samplutodake taavaan sarveshu vedeshu, brahmanasya vijaanatah " As on obtaining a reservoir of water flooded from all sides, there is no use for a small tank of water. Likewise, to an enlightened Brahmana, who has experienced the ultimate reality (described in Vedas and other scriptures), has the same use for all the Vedas, or say no use at all. " Comment: In this verse, there is a description of those great men, who have attained to the ultimate peace (union with God). After attaining that permanent peace, there is no longer a need of any action or any objects. He attains to the Supreme state. Such a great soul is called a real `Brahman' (enlightened one) meaning one who has attained the Supreme. From " Gita Prabodhani " in Hindi by Swami Ramsukhdasji, pg 49 ----------------------- Chapter 2, Verse 46 is as follows; Yaavaan = as much ArthaH = use Udapaane = in a pond SarvataH = everywhere Sampluta = being flooded with Udake = water Taavaan = so much use Sarveshu = in all Vedeshu = in the Vedas BraahmaNasya = of a Brahmana VijaanataH = of the knowing English translation:- To an enlightened Brahmana, all the Vedas are as useful as a tank of water in a place where there is a flood of water everywhere. Just as one who fetches clean water from a big and constantly flowing river, he does not attach importance to availability of stale, muddy and tasteless water from a small pond; so the wise person does not attach much importance to mere ritualistic performances without knowledge of the Self and the associated deep `Shraddhaa Bhaava' (abiding faith). A man living in a desert has no choice but to be contented with availability of stale, greenish and salty water. Similarly, a Saadhaka in his first orientation lesson to the knowledge of the Brahman has no choice but to be content with the basics i.e. process of cleansing of his physical body, mind and intellect by the means of `Karma-Kaandha' i.e. ritualistic performances. However, slow his progress might be, finally he is bound to succeed in his quest of the unity with the Self, provided he develops the `Vyavasaayaatmikaa BuddhiH' (Gita: 2-41) i.e. firm determination of mind and intellect. In the contemporary language, Lord Krishna's advice to Arjuna is, " Do not reconcile with a base existence of an ordinary man. Come on, you are born with divine attributes and therefore do not be content with the mundane happiness derived from such rituals as specified in the Karma-Kandha portion of the Vedas. A spiritually evolved person, who enjoys the infinite bliss of the Divine, has no attraction for earthly joys and pleasures. " An example: A student of mathematics, who has earned a Ph.D. in mathematics, need not refer to the arithmetic tables the elementary knowledge of mere numbers. Thanks and Best Regards, Shrikant Joshi. ----------------------- Gita 2:46 - From Sadhak Sanjivani Comment:— 'Yavanartha udapane sarvatah samplutodake' — On attaining a large reservoir, vast as an ocean and filled with clean, pure water, man no longer needs the small tanks at all. Moreover the small water tank becomes dirty and impure on washing your hands and feet and thereafter is not good enough for bathing; and if one bathes in it, then it is no longer suitable for washing clothes. And if clothes are washed in it, then it becomes unsuitable for drinking. But in a large reservoir where the water remains unaffected in spite of doing everything, in other words it remains clean, pure, untainted and as-is at all times. Tavaansarveshu vedeshu braahmanasya vijaanatah' — Likewise those illumed souls that have realized the ultimate reality (Paramatmatattva), the oblations, charities, penances and pilgrimages etc., and all other virtuous actions mentioned in the Vedas, have nothing to do with them. In other words virtuous actions become like little puddles of water. The same kind of comparison has been made, in the seventieth verse, that the emancipated great souls are unfathomable like the deep ocean, as several rivers fall into it but its magnitude remains the same, similarly the illumined souls remain undisturbed though several kinds of pleasure and enjoyment come in front of them. A great soul who possesses knowledge of Paramatma (Supreme Consciousness, the Lord), the Vedas and the scriptures is called 'Brahmanasya vijaanatah.' By using the term 'taavaan', Lord Krishna means to say that the great soul after realizing Paramatma (God) transcends the three attributes (modes), rises above the pairs of opposites viz., becomes free from attachment and aversion, and becomes ever established in the Self and remains entirely unconcerned about provision and preservation. He always remains devoted and immersed in God. Appendix—There is no end to worldly pleasures. There are endless universes and there are endless pleasures in them. But if they are renounced and one becomes detached from them, they come to an end. Similarly there are endless desires. However, if they are renounced, and if one becomes desire-less, then these desires come to an end. From " Srimad Bhagavadgita - Sadhak Sanjivani " in English pg 175-176 by Swami Ramuskhdasji. --- SADHAK QUESTIONS / INSIGHTS Shree Hari- With Reference to this paste, and noticing the comments by Sadhaks, " All is nothing " , I take this to mean, everything is created as an illusion in time: >' Appendix—There is no end to worldly pleasures. There are endless > universes and there are endless pleasures in them. But if they are > renounced and one becomes detached from them, they come to an end. > Similarly there are endless desires. However, if they are renounced, and if one becomes desire-less, then these desires come to an end.' Do these Universes exist as a plaything of desire? With Respect and Divine Love, Mike Keenor ------------------------- As on obtaining a reservoir of water filled on all sides there is no use for a small tank of water, likewise a Brahmana, who realizes the ultimate reality (described in Vedas and other scriptures), has the same use for all the Vedas, or say no use at all of the Vedas. With reference to above verse, Kindly reply: How one can recognize the larger tank of water or Brahamana? What is the length of time to recognize it? What type of effort is needed to recognize it? nipun ahuja -------------------------------- Dear Sadaks, In other way it probably means, once one who has realized the supreme from WHOM vedas came, then there is no use of vedas. Vedas are only educational tools to reach Paramathuma. But IF paramathuma is directly realized, then where comes the question of such tools. Jai Sri Krishna B.Sathyanarayan --- || Shree Hari || Ram Ram All Sadhaks can and should contribute as well. Discussion / clarification is encouraged OTHER REQUESTS FROM SADHAKS - Please feel free to take the lead in any of these areas so that all sadhaks may benefit. - Introduction to Chapters (GT MODERATOR FROM SADHAK SANJIVANI) - Chapter Summary - Principles and Laws emanating from it.(N.B. VYAS) - Summary of Chapter from Sadhak Sanjivani " AS IS " - Yes, Epilogue / Important Facts in each verse good to bring out. - Any subtle thoughts / interpretation (MIKE) - In-depth explanation of " Om Tat Saditi Srimadbhagavadgitaasu, Upanishadsu..... " is a very good idea. (GT MODERATOR FROM SADHAK SANJIVANI) From Gita Talk Moderators Ram Ram ----------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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