Guest guest Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Shree Hari Ram Ram Kindly share your understanding, insights, any real incidents, anubhavas (experiences) related to Gita " Oh! Partha! However, the way devotees take refuge in Me (worship Me), so do I approach them; for all men ultimately follow My path. " (Gita 4:11) " . From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram --------------------------- Dear sadaks, One of the master piece speech of Swamiji. It has plenty of evidences. `How so ever devotees seek God, so God reveals Himself to the devotee and grants them their hearts' desires. Similarly, God becomes a worthy father or mother, son, brother, friend, a lover or even an obedient servant, according to the desires and sentiments of the devotee. " " Desires and sentiments of devotee is always to keep Bagavan in highest esteem. Say he thinks that he is his mother, father, Guru and Deivam. But it is Bagavan who decides to manifest to the needs of HIS devotee. Devotee never ever will think Bagavan as obedient servant. But when Devotee is totally immersed in Bagavan forgetting his duties, Bagavan takes opportunity to show the world, that for HIS devotee HE can take the role of a servant of HIS devotee. Swamiji saying can be refered to Gopies. " The Lord of infinite Worlds reciprocates to the sentiments of His own created beings. So generous, affectionate and merciful is the Lord! " This also very true, " a devotee takes one step towards God, God takes 100 strides towards His devotee " Swamiji saying has deep sense of Bakthi, 'Devotion is automatically bestowed upon a devotee that takes refuge in God. Refuge (surrender) is the best sentiment of all the other sentiments. When a devotee surrenders Himself at God's feet, God even forgets the past sins of His devotees. The only thing that remains hundred folds Tell sentiments and emotions (bhava) (Manasa 1/29/3).'. If past sins is forgiven, what more a man has to get other than HIS lotus feet. Where comes the question of Maya, Gunas, Karmas, Conscienceness etc. Only Bagavan seen by devotee nothing else, not even his body, mind and intellect. If moderator permits I wish to post real incidents related this subject. Jai Sri Krishna B.Sathyanarayan ------------------------- 18th March, 2009, Wedneday Chaitra Krishna Saptami, Vikram Samvat 2065, Budhvar God reciprocates the sentiments of His devotees (Gita 4:11) " Ye yathaa maam prapadyante taamstathaiva bhajaamyaham Mama vartamaanuvartante manusyaah paartha sarvasah. " (Gita 4:11) " Oh! Partha! However, the way devotees take refuge in Me (worship Me), so do I approach them; ame manner; for all men ultimately follow My path. " (Gita 4:11) How so ever devotees seek God, so God reveals Himself to the devotee and grants them their hearts' desires. If a devotee thinks of God as his preceptor, He becomes an excellent teacher, a guide. Similarly, God becomes a worthy father or mother, son, brother, friend, a lover or even an obedient servant, according to the desires and sentiments of the devotee. If a devotee feels restless without God, God also becomes restless without His devotee. Arjuna regarded Lord Krishna, as his friend and wanted to make Him his charioteer, therefore God became Arjuna's charioteer. Sage Vishwamitra treated God as His disciple, therefore God became his disciple. With whatever sentiments a devotee seeks God; He correlates by the same sentiments. The Lord of infinite Worlds reciprocates to the sentiments of His own created beings. So generous, affectionate and merciful is the Lord! The topic reveals that the Lord manifests Himself for the sake of His devotees. He descends to the Earth, according to the sentiments of His devotees. It is mentioned in the Upanishad " The Lord felt lonely (Brhandaaranyaka 1/4/3), so He manifested Himself in different forms as part of His divine sport. Similarly, when a devotee cannot take separation from God any longer, God too cannot bear a separation from the devotee. Though the words " Yatha " (in whatever way) and " Tatha " (so) explains, that in whatever way a devotee seeks Him, He reciprocates His sentiments, yet there is a great difference in their manner. If a devotee takes one step towards God, God takes 100 strides towards His devotee. The Lord is Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient. A devotee who uses his entire power to attain God, then God will be surely realized through His infinite powers. An aspirant himself creates obstacles in God Realization; In fact an aspirant is unable to develop devotion for God through his own effort and actions. Devotion is automatically bestowed upon a devotee that takes refuge in God. Refuge (surrender) is the best sentiment of all the other sentiments. When a devotee surrenders Himself at God's feet, God even forgets the past sins of His devotees. The only thing that remains hundred folds in the forefront, is his present sentiments and emotions (bhava) (Manasa 1/29/3). Therefore an aspirant giving up his egoistic notions and selfishness, which are the stumbling blocks to surrender, must accept his affinity with God even if he does not understand this at the moment. By doing so, he will realize this close affinity with God, which is real. From " The Bhagavadgita - Sadhak Sanjivani " in Hindi by Swami Ramsukhdasji Ram Ram ------------------------------ ---------------- GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE - FOR QUESTIONER 1. The questions as far as possible must be relavant to Gita, relavant to Dharma, relavant to other scriptures and relavant to motivate Sadhaks to take up spiritual path 2. The Questioner must commit to daily Gita study 3. Only one question at a time. 4. Question must be brief, to the point and relavant to the group's primary aim of deeper understanding of Gita. FOR RESPONDER 1. 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