Devotional Love and It's Fruits - Please Elaborate

May 20, 2009

PREM BHAKTI KAA PRASAAD

PRANAMS,

KINDLY ELABORATE PREMABHAKTI & ITS FRUITS.

GOPIS NEVER READ ANY VED PURANA YET THEY ARE MOST BELOVED OF LORD KRISHNA WHY?

Please Elaborate !

WHY NOT TAKE EASY PATH?

KINDLY FOCUS

RAJA Gurdasani

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primary aim of deeper understanding of Gita.

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May 22, 2009

PREM BHAKTI KAA PRASAADPRANAMS,KINDLY ELABORATE PREMABHAKTI & ITS FRUITS.GOPIS NEVER READ ANY VED PURANA YET THEY ARE MOST BELOVED OF LORD KRISHNA WHY?Please Elaborate !WHY NOT TAKE EASY PATH?KINDLY FOCUSRAJA Gurdasani----------------NEW POSTINGThe simple and sure indication of Devotional Love is that one feels

elated and elevated when one listens to Satsang, or reads Devotional

stories or topics and when one sees something which touches the heart,

the eyes automatically issues out 'tears of ananda (joy)' and the hair

on the body stand on its root. One has to experience it to explain.Love and Love alone....Paritala Gopi Krishna

----Radhey ! Radhey !!

Raja Bhaiyya ! Radhey ! Radhey !! What a term this Prema Bhakti is !

ANSOOAN JAL SEENCH SEENCH PREM BEL BOI ! PRABHU ANSOOAN JAL SEENCH

SEENCH PREM BEL BOI. DAASI MIRA KAHE LAGAN LAGI < HONI HO SO HOI !

MORE TO GIRDHAR GOPAL , DOOSARO NA KOI !

From the tears of disconnection with you , O Krishna I have

irrigated this plant of Love ! Now I am firm, I damn care what happens.

Radhey ! Radhey !!

Nisha Chatterji -------------------Devotional Love and It's Fruits - Please Elaborate ... WHY NOT TAKE EASY PATH?There is nothing like a universally easy path. At the same time, everyone treadsan easiest possible path by nature.For one who is pre-disposed to - - innocence, The Love is the easy path (Prema Yoga).- reverence, The Devotion is the easy path (Bhakti Yoga).- thoUghts, The Knowledge is the easy path (Gnyaana Yoga).- the activities, The Action is the easy path (Karma Yoga).- the individuality, The Volition is the easy path (Raaja Yoga).- the service, The Submission is the easy path (Daasya Yoga).- the queititude, The Contemplation is the easy path (Dhyaana Yoga).- the abstinence, The Renunciation is the easy path (Sanyasa Yoga).- the acceptance, The Faith is the easy path.- the rejection, The Enquiry is the easy path.... ... ..."The Ease" belongs to one's nature ... any path is equally valid as well as easywhen in tune with one's nature. All the paths belong to Him; rather there are nopaths that do not belong to Him and that does not lead to Him ... Sarvam khaluidam Brahma ...Shravanam keertanam vishnoh smaranam paadasevanam |Archanam vandanam daasyam sakhyam aatmanivedanam ||Bhakti means absolute submission to The Truth. One can submit oneself to TheLord of all lives, Bhagavan Vishnu, by listening like Emperor Pareekshit, or bychanting His holy names like Shuka Mahaamuni, or by perpetually thinking of onlyHim like Prahlaada, or by being readily disposed at His feet to His assistancelike Lakshmana, or by nurturing/feeding Him with motherly love in all the deedslike Shabari, or praising Him in absolute reverence like Akrura, or by being atperpetual disposal to serve Him in absolute humility like Hanumaan, or bydisposing one's identity to His appetite without any trace of hesitance likeEmperor Bali, or by truthful friendship with Him like Arjuna ... or by anythingelse like anybody else ...When Bhakti means submission to The Truth, what in this universe can defy thatfact and be not in submission to THAT?! Nothing can transcend THAT ... all thecosmic existence in the universe run in absolute obedience to The Absolute ...Bhayaadasyaagnistapati bhayaattapati suryah |Bhayaadindrashcha vaayushcha mrityurdhaavati panchamah ||Really, nothing can ever be not in devotion to THAT even in one's wildestimagination. Not even the worst known demons such as Huranyakashipu orShishupala. Saint Tyagaraja makes a wonderful observation in his "PrahladaVijaya" on the moment when Lord Nrisimha slains the demon Hiranyakashipu, "Whata great Bhakta is this Hiranyakashipu who insisted with all his wrath to seekthe death on the laps of The Lord?!" One of the greatest devotee of Lord Krishnain recent years, K M Munshi, wonders in his great work "Krishnaavatara" aboutShishupala, the arch enemy and cousin of Lord Krishna, "What a great devotionthis fellow sustains?! He cannot even think of anything other than Lord Krishnaeven for a moment even in his dreams in his apparent rage against Him!" A trueBhakta can never see anything other than Bhakti in all the acts. So does a trueGnyaani and so does a true Yogi. Because, that is the fact ... everything isabsolutely submitted to THAT everywhere and everywhence. That very submission isThe Awareness that pervades everything. Naarada Muni says in his revelations onBhakti,Saa tu karmagnyaanayogebhyo'pi adhikataraa | Phalarupatvaat ||The Devotion encompasses everything - actions, thoughts and experiences - asthey all arise from That, enter the same eventually, and remain in submission toThat Very Submission all the time.In other words, everything being in submission to The Truth can be nothing butThe Truth as such. Therefore, Bhakti is THAT! and, THAT is everything!! and,therefore, Bhakti is everything and everything is Bhakti only. Nothing elsecould be a possibility.Therefore, my dear friend, it is great to appreciate the Devine Love in TheGopis ... the greater is to see the same in everything else ... the greatest isto dissolve oneself in That absolutely.Sarvam Krishnaarpanamastu.Respects.Naga Narayana.------------Narain ! Narain !!

Prema Bhakti referred by Rajaji is the ultimate for all Sadhaks.

This is the real topic in fact. After you have established mineness

with Narain and Naraina has given you the gift of equanimity.... the

real Bhakti starts. This Bhakti according to Maharajji , is capable of

quickly getting you all that is the ultimate- the darshana, entering

and union. . The joy of MUKTI gets into insignificance before this

PREM. This PREM with the Krishna increases continuously. Sometimes

there is "Dvaita", sometimes there is "ADVAITA'. Because as at the

time of merging of river into ocean, the sea runs towards the river,

and river runs towards the sea and then there is a jump in their

levels--- this Bhakti is like that. This is available to all the Yogis.

ONLY OBSTACLE : is a sadhaks insistence that "my way is the only way" !

This is VERY VERY fatal insistence. Swamiji clearly told that this

should never never be there. In fact, I was greatly relieved when

Dear Mike Keenor confirmed that he has no " WAY' of his own. That is a

sign of a real sadhak. Except this obstacle, all sadhaks are eligible

for this Bhakti. It is also called as Parabhakti in Gita. In the 18th

Chapter in the end there are verses reg the same.

Narain ! Narain !!

Naarad N Maharishi----------------GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -FOR QUESTIONER1. The questions as far as possible must be relevant to Gita,relevant to Dharma, relavant to other scriptures and relevant tomotivate Sadhaks to take up spiritual path2. The Questioner must commit to daily Gita study3. Only one question at a time.4. Question must be brief, to the point and relevant to the group'sprimary aim of deeper understanding of Gita.GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES for RESPONDER: PLEASE -1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible..3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to theextent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. Be as concise, to the point, respecting sadhaka's time.5. Focus on subject at hand only.6. Do not include links to the other sites; personal information (Ph #, addressetc) or personalize message to particular person7. All responses may not be posted and moderator at his discretion, may modifythe posting.8. Please keep in mind novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Limit the use to Sanskrit words and provide English wordbracketed.MODERATORRam Ram------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Post message: Subscribe: - Unsubscribe: -

May 23, 2009

PREM BHAKTI KAA PRASAADPRANAMS,KINDLY ELABORATE PREMABHAKTI & ITS FRUITS.GOPIS NEVER READ ANY VED PURANA YET THEY ARE MOST BELOVED OF LORD KRISHNA WHY?Please Elaborate !WHY NOT TAKE EASY PATH?KINDLY FOCUSRAJA Gurdasani----------------NEW POSTINGDear Sadhak,

For understanding this question,we have to read and follow tenth

chapter of Bhagavata in which all miracles of Lord Krishnaï¿½ are narrated

in which all actions pertaining to Lord Krishna's Prema Bhakti (

devotional love )are taught.No school educations is required for

Gopis.These Gopis were innocents in their love towards Lord Krisha

because they know that Krishna is every thing for them and That is why

they left their families and go after Lord Krishna.This Love was

noticed by Uddhava who was sent by Lord Krishna to inquire about

Gopis.Please read that episode and you will finds your answer.

The short way to go to Lord Krishna is to recite His glories narrated in Tenth Chapter of Bhagavat and to sing His BhajansHara Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hara Hare /

Hare Krishna Hare Krisha Krishna Hare Hare //

Truly yours

Shankerprasad S Bhatt------------------Shree Hari Ram Ram Bhagavaan loves His devotees dearly. He can feel the sentiments of His devotees. Of all... there was none like the Gopis. Lord, went to the extent that he demanded milk and stole butter from the gopis, everything ONLY FOR THEIR LOVE. What made the Gopis so unique? To the Gopis, Lord Krishna was EVERYTHING. Bhagavaan's sweet memories were always with the Gopis. While walking, eating, sleeping, or doing any worldly work, they thought of nothing else. Not even a split second could pass without remembering Gopala. Their entire being was immersed in the divine play of their Beloved Krishna - His form, the sound of His flute, His stories, His qualities, His play, His Love, His sporting, His teasing, His stealing, His secret pastimes and more. To the Gopis nothing else existed except Krishna, their Beloved! They were lost in their Beloved, to such an extent that they (their ego) did not exist. Only Krishna!!!! Their body, their mind, their senses, their entire being, everything was only for their Beloved Krishna! They became mad in the eyes of the world as Krishna became their only support twenty four hours a day. THEIR EXISTENCE DID NOT REMAIN. They were ONE WITH KRISHNA ! Swamiji said, we are not competent or eligible enough to even talk about the Gopis and their LOVE for their BELOVED Krishna! Lord Krishna felt eternally indebted to the UNCONDITIONAL LOVE of the GOPIS. Meera Das Ram Ram ============================PRIOR POSTINGThe simple and sure indication of Devotional Love is that one feels elated and elevated when one listens to Satsang, or reads Devotional stories or topics and when one sees something which touches the heart, the eyes automatically issues out 'tears of ananda (joy)' and the hair on the body stand on its root. One has to experience it to explain.Love and Love alone....Paritala Gopi Krishna----Radhey ! Radhey !! Raja Bhaiyya ! Radhey ! Radhey !! What a term this Prema Bhakti is ! ANSOOAN JAL SEENCH SEENCH PREM BEL BOI ! PRABHU ANSOOAN JAL SEENCH SEENCH PREM BEL BOI. DAASI MIRA KAHE LAGAN LAGI < HONI HO SO HOI ! MORE TO GIRDHAR GOPAL , DOOSARO NA KOI ! From the tears of disconnection with you , O Krishna I have irrigated this plant of Love ! Now I am firm, I damn care what happens. Radhey ! Radhey !! Nisha Chatterji-------------------Devotional Love and It's Fruits - Please Elaborate ... WHY NOT TAKE EASY PATH?There is nothing like a universally easy path. At the same time, everyone treadsan easiest possible path by nature.For one who is pre-disposed to - - innocence, The Love is the easy path (Prema Yoga).- reverence, The Devotion is the easy path (Bhakti Yoga).- thoUghts, The Knowledge is the easy path (Gnyaana Yoga).- the activities, The Action is the easy path (Karma Yoga).- the individuality, The Volition is the easy path (Raaja Yoga).- the service, The Submission is the easy path (Daasya Yoga).- the queititude, The Contemplation is the easy path (Dhyaana Yoga).- the abstinence, The Renunciation is the easy path (Sanyasa Yoga).- the acceptance, The Faith is the easy path.- the rejection, The Enquiry is the easy path.... ... ..."The Ease" belongs to one's nature ... any path is equally valid as well as easywhen in tune with one's nature. All the paths belong to Him; rather there are nopaths that do not belong to Him and that does not lead to Him ... Sarvam khaluidam Brahma ...Shravanam keertanam vishnoh smaranam paadasevanam |Archanam vandanam daasyam sakhyam aatmanivedanam ||Bhakti means absolute submission to The Truth. One can submit oneself to TheLord of all lives, Bhagavan Vishnu, by listening like Emperor Pareekshit, or bychanting His holy names like Shuka Mahaamuni, or by perpetually thinking of onlyHim like Prahlaada, or by being readily disposed at His feet to His assistancelike Lakshmana, or by nurturing/feeding Him with motherly love in all the deedslike Shabari, or praising Him in absolute reverence like Akrura, or by being atperpetual disposal to serve Him in absolute humility like Hanumaan, or bydisposing one's identity to His appetite without any trace of hesitance likeEmperor Bali, or by truthful friendship with Him like Arjuna ... or by anythingelse like anybody else ...When Bhakti means submission to The Truth, what in this universe can defy thatfact and be not in submission to THAT?! Nothing can transcend THAT ... all thecosmic existence in the universe run in absolute obedience to The Absolute ...Bhayaadasyaagnistapati bhayaattapati suryah |Bhayaadindrashcha vaayushcha mrityurdhaavati panchamah ||Really, nothing can ever be not in devotion to THAT even in one's wildestimagination. Not even the worst known demons such as Huranyakashipu orShishupala. Saint Tyagaraja makes a wonderful observation in his "PrahladaVijaya" on the moment when Lord Nrisimha slains the demon Hiranyakashipu, "Whata great Bhakta is this Hiranyakashipu who insisted with all his wrath to seekthe death on the laps of The Lord?!" One of the greatest devotee of Lord Krishnain recent years, K M Munshi, wonders in his great work "Krishnaavatara" aboutShishupala, the arch enemy and cousin of Lord Krishna, "What a great devotionthis fellow sustains?! He cannot even think of anything other than Lord Krishnaeven for a moment even in his dreams in his apparent rage against Him!" A trueBhakta can never see anything other than Bhakti in all the acts. So does a trueGnyaani and so does a true Yogi. Because, that is the fact ... everything isabsolutely submitted to THAT everywhere and everywhence. That very submission isThe Awareness that pervades everything. Naarada Muni says in his revelations onBhakti,Saa tu karmagnyaanayogebhyo'pi adhikataraa | Phalarupatvaat ||The Devotion encompasses everything - actions, thoughts and experiences - asthey all arise from That, enter the same eventually, and remain in submission toThat Very Submission all the time.In other words, everything being in submission to The Truth can be nothing butThe Truth as such. Therefore, Bhakti is THAT! and, THAT is everything!! and,therefore, Bhakti is everything and everything is Bhakti only. Nothing elsecould be a possibility.Therefore, my dear friend, it is great to appreciate the Devine Love in TheGopis ... the greater is to see the same in everything else ... the greatest isto dissolve oneself in That absolutely.Sarvam Krishnaarpanamastu.Respects.Naga Narayana.------------Narain ! Narain !! Prema Bhakti referred by Rajaji is the ultimate for all Sadhaks. This is the real topic in fact. After you have established mineness with Narain and Naraina has given you the gift of equanimity.... the real Bhakti starts. This Bhakti according to Maharajji , is capable of quickly getting you all that is the ultimate- the darshana, entering and union. . The joy of MUKTI gets into insignificance before this PREM. This PREM with the Krishna increases continuously. Sometimes there is "Dvaita", sometimes there is "ADVAITA'. Because as at the time of merging of river into ocean, the sea runs towards the river, and river runs towards the sea and then there is a jump in their levels--- this Bhakti is like that. This is available to all the Yogis. ONLY OBSTACLE : is a sadhaks insistence that "my way is the only way" ! This is VERY VERY fatal insistence. Swamiji clearly told that this should never never be there. In fact, I was greatly relieved when Dear Mike Keenor confirmed that he has no " WAY' of his own. That is a sign of a real sadhak. Except this obstacle, all sadhaks are eligible for this Bhakti. It is also called as Parabhakti in Gita. In the 18th Chapter in the end there are verses reg the same. Narain ! Narain !! Naarad N Maharishi----------------GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -FOR QUESTIONER1. The questions as far as possible must be relevant to Gita,relevant to Dharma, relavant to other scriptures and relevant tomotivate Sadhaks to take up spiritual path2. The Questioner must commit to daily Gita study3. Only one question at a time.4. Question must be brief, to the point and relevant to the group'sprimary aim of deeper understanding of Gita.GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES for RESPONDER: PLEASE -1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible..3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to theextent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. Be as concise, to the point, respecting sadhaka's time.5. Focus on subject at hand only.6. Do not include links to the other sites; personal information (Ph #, addressetc) or personalize message to particular person7. All responses may not be posted and moderator at his discretion, may modifythe posting.8. Please keep in mind novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Limit the use to Sanskrit words and provide English wordbracketed.MODERATORRam Ram------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Post message: Subscribe: - Unsubscribe: -

May 30, 2009

PREM BHAKTI KAA PRASAADPRANAMS,KINDLY ELABORATE PREMABHAKTI & ITS FRUITS.GOPIS NEVER READ ANY VED PURANA YET THEY ARE MOST BELOVED OF LORD KRISHNA WHY?Please Elaborate !WHY NOT TAKE EASY PATH?KINDLY FOCUSRAJA Gurdasani----------------NEW POSTING

I AM REALLY TOUCHED BY EXPRESSION OF MEERA DAS.

ONLY KRISHNA........

UNCONDITIONAL LOVE............

WHAT TO SAY OF OURS EVEN KRISHNA CANT DEFINE OR DESCRIBE ABOUT GOPIS LOVE. HE SAID IN BHAGWAT EVEN IF I COME AS INCARNATION OF GOPIS I CANT PAY BACK TO THEIR LOVE.

WHAT A KIND LOVING OUR LORD KRISHNA IS.

LOVE ALONE LOVE ALONE.........

I AM OVERWHELMED BY THE FEELING.

KALPNA DIXIT

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhak,

For understanding this question,we have to read and follow tenth chapter of Bhagavata in which all miracles of Lord Krishnaï¿½ are narrated in which all actions pertaining to Lord Krishna's Prema Bhakti ( devotional love )are taught.No school educations is required for Gopis.These Gopis were innocents in their love towards Lord Krisha because they know that Krishna is every thing for them and That is why they left their families and go after Lord Krishna.This Love was noticed by Uddhava who was sent by Lord Krishna to inquire about Gopis.Please read that episode and you will finds your answer.

The short way to go to Lord Krishna is to recite His glories narrated in Tenth Chapter of Bhagavat and to sing His BhajansHara Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hara Hare /

Hare Krishna Hare Krisha Krishna Hare Hare //

Truly yoursShankerprasad S Bhatt------------------Shree Hari Ram Ram Bhagavaan loves His devotees dearly. He can feel the sentiments of His devotees. Of all... there was none like the Gopis. Lord, went to the extent that he demanded milk and stole butter from the gopis, everything ONLY FOR THEIR LOVE. What made the Gopis so unique? To the Gopis, Lord Krishna was EVERYTHING. Bhagavaan's sweet memories were always with the Gopis. While walking, eating, sleeping, or doing any worldly work, they thought of nothing else. Not even a split second could pass without remembering Gopala. Their entire being was immersed in the divine play of their Beloved Krishna - His form, the sound of His flute, His stories, His qualities, His play, His Love, His sporting, His teasing, His stealing, His secret pastimes and more. To the Gopis nothing else existed except Krishna, their Beloved! They were lost in their Beloved, to such an extent that they (their ego) did not exist. Only Krishna!!!! Their body, their mind, their senses, their entire being, everything was only for their Beloved Krishna! They became mad in the eyes of the world as Krishna became their only support twenty four hours a day. THEIR EXISTENCE DID NOT REMAIN. They were ONE WITH KRISHNA ! Swamiji said, we are not competent or eligible enough to even talk about the Gopis and their LOVE for their BELOVED Krishna! Lord Krishna felt eternally indebted to the UNCONDITIONAL LOVE of the GOPIS. Meera Das Ram Ram ============================PRIOR POSTINGThe simple and sure indication of Devotional Love is that one feels elated and elevated when one listens to Satsang, or reads Devotional stories or topics and when one sees something which touches the heart, the eyes automatically issues out 'tears of ananda (joy)' and the hair on the body stand on its root. One has to experience it to explain.Love and Love alone....Paritala Gopi Krishna----Radhey ! Radhey !! Raja Bhaiyya ! Radhey ! Radhey !! What a term this Prema Bhakti is ! ANSOOAN JAL SEENCH SEENCH PREM BEL BOI ! PRABHU ANSOOAN JAL SEENCH SEENCH PREM BEL BOI. DAASI MIRA KAHE LAGAN LAGI < HONI HO SO HOI ! MORE TO GIRDHAR GOPAL , DOOSARO NA KOI ! From the tears of disconnection with you , O Krishna I have irrigated this plant of Love ! Now I am firm, I damn care what happens. Radhey ! Radhey !! Nisha Chatterji-------------------Devotional Love and It's Fruits - Please Elaborate ... WHY NOT TAKE EASY PATH?There is nothing like a universally easy path. At the same time, everyone treadsan easiest possible path by nature.For one who is pre-disposed to - - innocence, The Love is the easy path (Prema Yoga).- reverence, The Devotion is the easy path (Bhakti Yoga).- thoUghts, The Knowledge is the easy path (Gnyaana Yoga).- the activities, The Action is the easy path (Karma Yoga).- the individuality, The Volition is the easy path (Raaja Yoga).- the service, The Submission is the easy path (Daasya Yoga).- the queititude, The Contemplation is the easy path (Dhyaana Yoga).- the abstinence, The Renunciation is the easy path (Sanyasa Yoga).- the acceptance, The Faith is the easy path.- the rejection, The Enquiry is the easy path.... ... ..."The Ease" belongs to one's nature ... any path is equally valid as well as easywhen in tune with one's nature. All the paths belong to Him; rather there are nopaths that do not belong to Him and that does not lead to Him ... Sarvam khaluidam Brahma ...Shravanam keertanam vishnoh smaranam paadasevanam |Archanam vandanam daasyam sakhyam aatmanivedanam ||Bhakti means absolute submission to The Truth. One can submit oneself to TheLord of all lives, Bhagavan Vishnu, by listening like Emperor Pareekshit, or bychanting His holy names like Shuka Mahaamuni, or by perpetually thinking of onlyHim like Prahlaada, or by being readily disposed at His feet to His assistancelike Lakshmana, or by nurturing/feeding Him with motherly love in all the deedslike Shabari, or praising Him in absolute reverence like Akrura, or by being atperpetual disposal to serve Him in absolute humility like Hanumaan, or bydisposing one's identity to His appetite without any trace of hesitance likeEmperor Bali, or by truthful friendship with Him like Arjuna ... or by anythingelse like anybody else ...When Bhakti means submission to The Truth, what in this universe can defy thatfact and be not in submission to THAT?! Nothing can transcend THAT ... all thecosmic existence in the universe run in absolute obedience to The Absolute ...Bhayaadasyaagnistapati bhayaattapati suryah |Bhayaadindrashcha vaayushcha mrityurdhaavati panchamah ||Really, nothing can ever be not in devotion to THAT even in one's wildestimagination. Not even the worst known demons such as Huranyakashipu orShishupala. Saint Tyagaraja makes a wonderful observation in his "PrahladaVijaya" on the moment when Lord Nrisimha slains the demon Hiranyakashipu, "Whata great Bhakta is this Hiranyakashipu who insisted with all his wrath to seekthe death on the laps of The Lord?!" One of the greatest devotee of Lord Krishnain recent years, K M Munshi, wonders in his great work "Krishnaavatara" aboutShishupala, the arch enemy and cousin of Lord Krishna, "What a great devotionthis fellow sustains?! He cannot even think of anything other than Lord Krishnaeven for a moment even in his dreams in his apparent rage against Him!" A trueBhakta can never see anything other than Bhakti in all the acts. So does a trueGnyaani and so does a true Yogi. Because, that is the fact ... everything isabsolutely submitted to THAT everywhere and everywhence. That very submission isThe Awareness that pervades everything. Naarada Muni says in his revelations onBhakti,Saa tu karmagnyaanayogebhyo'pi adhikataraa | Phalarupatvaat ||The Devotion encompasses everything - actions, thoughts and experiences - asthey all arise from That, enter the same eventually, and remain in submission toThat Very Submission all the time.In other words, everything being in submission to The Truth can be nothing butThe Truth as such. Therefore, Bhakti is THAT! and, THAT is everything!! and,therefore, Bhakti is everything and everything is Bhakti only. Nothing elsecould be a possibility.Therefore, my dear friend, it is great to appreciate the Devine Love in TheGopis ... the greater is to see the same in everything else ... the greatest isto dissolve oneself in That absolutely.Sarvam Krishnaarpanamastu.Respects.Naga Narayana.------------Narain ! Narain !! Prema Bhakti referred by Rajaji is the ultimate for all Sadhaks. This is the real topic in fact. After you have established mineness with Narain and Naraina has given you the gift of equanimity.... the real Bhakti starts. This Bhakti according to Maharajji , is capable of quickly getting you all that is the ultimate- the darshana, entering and union. . The joy of MUKTI gets into insignificance before this PREM. This PREM with the Krishna increases continuously. Sometimes there is "Dvaita", sometimes there is "ADVAITA'. Because as at the time of merging of river into ocean, the sea runs towards the river, and river runs towards the sea and then there is a jump in their levels--- this Bhakti is like that. This is available to all the Yogis. ONLY OBSTACLE : is a sadhaks insistence that "my way is the only way" ! This is VERY VERY fatal insistence. Swamiji clearly told that this should never never be there. In fact, I was greatly relieved when Dear Mike Keenor confirmed that he has no " WAY' of his own. That is a sign of a real sadhak. Except this obstacle, all sadhaks are eligible for this Bhakti. It is also called as Parabhakti in Gita. In the 18th Chapter in the end there are verses reg the same. Narain ! Narain !! Naarad N Maharishi----------------GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -FOR QUESTIONER1. The questions as far as possible must be relevant to Gita,relevant to Dharma, relavant to other scriptures and relevant tomotivate Sadhaks to take up spiritual path2. The Questioner must commit to daily Gita study3. Only one question at a time.4. Question must be brief, to the point and relevant to the group'sprimary aim of deeper understanding of Gita.GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES for RESPONDER: PLEASE -1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible..3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to theextent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. Be as concise, to the point, respecting sadhaka's time.5. Focus on subject at hand only.6. Do not include links to the other sites; personal information (Ph #, addressetc) or personalize message to particular person7. All responses may not be posted and moderator at his discretion, may modifythe posting.8. Please keep in mind novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Limit the use to Sanskrit words and provide English wordbracketed.MODERATORRam Ram------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Post message: Subscribe: - Unsubscribe: -

June 1, 2009

PREM BHAKTI KAA PRASAAD

PRANAMS,KINDLY ELABORATE PREMABHAKTI & ITS FRUITS.GOPIS NEVER READ ANY VED PURANA YET THEY ARE MOST BELOVED OF LORD KRISHNA WHY?Please Elaborate !WHY NOT TAKE EASY PATH?KINDLY FOCUSRAJA Gurdasani

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-Shree Hari- Dear Meera Das Namaste,When I read your account of The Gopis, and your comments.My mind went to Julian of Norwich; her absolute love and devotion for herBeloved Divine Lord, gave her insights that went completely beyond the orthodoxviews of the Church of her time. She a "simple woman" wrote this below, note theheading: Ever He Longs to have Our Love 71.…..Ah, wretched sin! What art thou? Thou art naught. For I saw that God is allthing— I saw not thee. And when I saw that God has made all things I saw theenot, and when I saw that God is in all things I saw thee not, and when I sawthat God does all things that is done, small and great, I saw thee not. And whenI saw our Lord sit in our soul so worshipfully and love and like, rule and carefor all that He has made, I saw not thee. …How simple but profound, she saw 'The Kingdom, in her Heart'She understood such profundity through Divine Love, not through scholarly work.Maybe thats what Radha Mohan Lal Ji was referring to when he implied, that therewas fare less for women to do to obtain liberation, than men.Maybe our sister are way ahead of us males. As we stumble around caught up inour intellect.With Respect and Divine Love,Mike (K)

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Ah, Krishna ............... how to say in words that only your Silence can speak about ....... how !

Truly, only you can know what you are, my Beloved ......... and only you, as the sadhaka walk the Path you walk ............................. narinder knows no more than that ! In the Gift of Gratitude, is the death of narinder-ness , and the no- birth of the Soundless Sound of Aum ...........

AUM

narinder bhandari

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I AM REALLY TOUCHED BY EXPRESSION OF MEERA DAS.ONLY KRISHNA........UNCONDITIONAL LOVE............WHAT TO SAY OF OURS EVEN KRISHNA CANT DEFINE OR DESCRIBE ABOUT GOPIS LOVE. HE SAID IN BHAGWAT EVEN IF I COME AS INCARNATION OF GOPIS I CANT PAY BACK TO THEIR LOVE.WHAT A KIND LOVING OUR LORD KRISHNA IS.LOVE ALONE LOVE ALONE.........I AM OVERWHELMED BY THE FEELING.KALPNA DIXIT----------------

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Dear Sadhak,For understanding this question,we have to read and follow tenth chapter of Bhagavata in which all miracles of Lord Krishnaï¿½ are narrated in which all actions pertaining to Lord Krishna's Prema Bhakti ( devotional love )are taught.No school educations is required for Gopis.These Gopis were innocents in their love towards Lord Krisha because they know that Krishna is every thing for them and That is why they left their families and go after Lord Krishna.This Love was noticed by Uddhava who was sent by Lord Krishna to inquire about Gopis.Please read that episode and you will finds your answer.The short way to go to Lord Krishna is to recite His glories narrated in Tenth Chapter of Bhagavat and to sing His BhajansHara Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hara Hare /Hare Krishna Hare Krisha Krishna Hare Hare //Truly yoursShankerprasad S Bhatt------------------

Shree Hari Ram Ram Bhagavaan loves His devotees dearly. He can feel the sentiments of His devotees. Of all... there was none like the Gopis. Lord, went to the extent that he demanded milk and stole butter from the gopis, everything ONLY FOR THEIR LOVE.

What made the Gopis so unique? To the Gopis, Lord Krishna was EVERYTHING. Bhagavaan's sweet memories were always with the Gopis. While walking, eating, sleeping, or doing any worldly work, they thought of nothing else. Not even a split second could pass without remembering Gopala. Their entire being was immersed in the divine play of their Beloved Krishna - His form, the sound of His flute, His stories, His qualities, His play, His Love, His sporting, His teasing, His stealing, His secret pastimes and more. To the Gopis nothing else existed except Krishna, their Beloved! They were lost in their Beloved, to such an extent that they (their ego) did not exist. Only Krishna!!!! Their body, their mind, their senses, their entire being, everything was only for their Beloved Krishna! They became mad in the eyes of the world as Krishna became their only support twenty four hours a day. THEIR EXISTENCE DID NOT REMAIN. They were ONE WITH KRISHNA !

Swamiji said, we are not competent or eligible enough to even talk about the Gopis and their LOVE for their BELOVED Krishna! Lord Krishna felt eternally indebted to the UNCONDITIONAL LOVE of the GOPIS.

Meera Das Ram Ram

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The simple and sure indication of Devotional Love is that one feels elated and elevated when one listens to Satsang, or reads Devotional stories or topics and when one sees something which touches the heart, the eyes automatically issues out 'tears of ananda (joy)' and the hair on the body stand on its root. One has to experience it to explain.

Love and Love alone....Paritala Gopi Krishna----

Radhey ! Radhey !! Raja Bhaiyya ! Radhey ! Radhey !! What a term this Prema Bhakti is ! ANSOOAN JAL SEENCH SEENCH PREM BEL BOI ! PRABHU ANSOOAN JAL SEENCH SEENCH PREM BEL BOI. DAASI MIRA KAHE LAGAN LAGI < HONI HO SO HOI ! MORE TO GIRDHAR GOPAL , DOOSARO NA KOI ! From the tears of disconnection with you , O Krishna I have irrigated this plant of Love ! Now I am firm, I damn care what happens. Radhey ! Radhey !! Nisha Chatterji-------------------

Devotional Love and It's Fruits - Please Elaborate ... WHY NOT TAKE EASY PATH?

There is nothing like a universally easy path. At the same time, everyone treadsan easiest possible path by nature.

For one who is pre-disposed to -

- innocence, The Love is the easy path (Prema Yoga).- reverence, The Devotion is the easy path (Bhakti Yoga).- thoUghts, The Knowledge is the easy path (Gnyaana Yoga).- the activities, The Action is the easy path (Karma Yoga).- the individuality, The Volition is the easy path (Raaja Yoga).- the service, The Submission is the easy path (Daasya Yoga).- the queititude, The Contemplation is the easy path (Dhyaana Yoga).- the abstinence, The Renunciation is the easy path (Sanyasa Yoga).- the acceptance, The Faith is the easy path.- the rejection, The Enquiry is the easy path.... ... ..."The Ease" belongs to one's nature ... any path is equally valid as well as easywhen in tune with one's nature. All the paths belong to Him; rather there are nopaths that do not belong to Him and that does not lead to Him ... Sarvam khaluidam Brahma ...

Shravanam keertanam vishnoh smaranam paadasevanam |Archanam vandanam daasyam sakhyam aatmanivedanam ||

Bhakti means absolute submission to The Truth. One can submit oneself to TheLord of all lives, Bhagavan Vishnu, by listening like Emperor Pareekshit, or bychanting His holy names like Shuka Mahaamuni, or by perpetually thinking of onlyHim like Prahlaada, or by being readily disposed at His feet to His assistancelike Lakshmana, or by nurturing/feeding Him with motherly love in all the deedslike Shabari, or praising Him in absolute reverence like Akrura, or by being atperpetual disposal to serve Him in absolute humility like Hanumaan, or bydisposing one's identity to His appetite without any trace of hesitance likeEmperor Bali, or by truthful friendship with Him like Arjuna ... or by anythingelse like anybody else ...

When Bhakti means submission to The Truth, what in this universe can defy thatfact and be not in submission to THAT?! Nothing can transcend THAT ... all thecosmic existence in the universe run in absolute obedience to The Absolute ...

Bhayaadasyaagnistapati bhayaattapati suryah |Bhayaadindrashcha vaayushcha mrityurdhaavati panchamah ||

Really, nothing can ever be not in devotion to THAT even in one's wildestimagination. Not even the worst known demons such as Huranyakashipu orShishupala. Saint Tyagaraja makes a wonderful observation in his "PrahladaVijaya" on the moment when Lord Nrisimha slains the demon Hiranyakashipu, "Whata great Bhakta is this Hiranyakashipu who insisted with all his wrath to seekthe death on the laps of The Lord?!" One of the greatest devotee of Lord Krishnain recent years, K M Munshi, wonders in his great work "Krishnaavatara" aboutShishupala, the arch enemy and cousin of Lord Krishna, "What a great devotionthis fellow sustains?! He cannot even think of anything other than Lord Krishnaeven for a moment even in his dreams in his apparent rage against Him!" A trueBhakta can never see anything other than Bhakti in all the acts. So does a trueGnyaani and so does a true Yogi. Because, that is the fact ... everything isabsolutely submitted to THAT everywhere and everywhence. That very submission isThe Awareness that pervades everything. Naarada Muni says in his revelations onBhakti,

Saa tu karmagnyaanayogebhyo'pi adhikataraa | Phalarupatvaat ||

The Devotion encompasses everything - actions, thoughts and experiences - asthey all arise from That, enter the same eventually, and remain in submission toThat Very Submission all the time.

In other words, everything being in submission to The Truth can be nothing butThe Truth as such. Therefore, Bhakti is THAT! and, THAT is everything!! and,therefore, Bhakti is everything and everything is Bhakti only. Nothing elsecould be a possibility.

Therefore, my dear friend, it is great to appreciate the Devine Love in TheGopis ... the greater is to see the same in everything else ... the greatest isto dissolve oneself in That absolutely.

Sarvam Krishnaarpanamastu.

Respects.

Naga Narayana.------------

Narain ! Narain !! Prema Bhakti referred by Rajaji is the ultimate for all Sadhaks. This is the real topic in fact. After you have established mineness with Narain and Naraina has given you the gift of equanimity.... the real Bhakti starts. This Bhakti according to Maharajji , is capable of quickly getting you all that is the ultimate- the darshana, entering and union. . The joy of MUKTI gets into insignificance before this PREM. This PREM with the Krishna increases continuously. Sometimes there is "Dvaita", sometimes there is "ADVAITA'. Because as at the time of merging of river into ocean, the sea runs towards the river, and river runs towards the sea and then there is a jump in their levels--- this Bhakti is like that. This is available to all the Yogis. ONLY OBSTACLE : is a sadhaks insistence that "my way is the only way" ! This is VERY VERY fatal insistence. Swamiji clearly told that this should never never be there. In fact, I was greatly relieved when Dear Mike Keenor confirmed that he has no " WAY' of his own. That is a sign of a real sadhak. Except this obstacle, all sadhaks are eligible for this Bhakti. It is also called as Parabhakti in Gita. In the 18th Chapter in the end there are verses reg the same. Narain ! Narain !! Naarad N Maharishi

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PREM BHAKTI KAA PRASAAD

PRANAMS,KINDLY ELABORATE PREMABHAKTI & ITS FRUITS.GOPIS NEVER READ ANY VED PURANA YET THEY ARE MOST BELOVED OF LORD KRISHNA WHY?Please Elaborate !WHY NOT TAKE EASY PATH?KINDLY FOCUSRAJA Gurdasani

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Hari OmSwamiji's description of Gopi Love as quoted by Miraji Dass is ultimate on the subject. Gopi Love does not envisage "gender" distinction. Swamiji is very categorical.I was today having Satsanga with a sadhak who came to my home straight from Braj and he told me a thing about Gopi Love which hit me really. (Grace of God and Satsanga gives many times very simple but ultimate answers- Good Company is indeed precious. He just suo motto talked as a passing reference about Gopi not knowing that this topic is recent on one Group called GT Group and not knowing that I keep contributing to GT Group. )He told me that the best "Gopi" was Bhakta Hanuman. As soon as he told me I agreed with him spontaneously and smiled inside knowing that Swamiji also said that in Gopi Love there is no importance or relevance of male/female. It is total bhava, total loss of awareness, total focus -in fact precisely the emotions and bhavas so beautifully reflected by Miraji Dass. Her perfect narration of those sentiments also fit in exactly in Hanumanji's devotion to Lord Rama. Like Gopis of Braj, Hanumanji never thought of anything else except Lord Rama. He was absolutely focussed. Examples of "Gopi" according to my understanding ( I welcome correction by learned sadhaks- because it is my personal belief too ) are single pointed focussed- ekbhaktir visishishyate -BG 7:17/18 - Bhaktas like Gopis of Braj, Hanumanji, Mira Bai ,Shabri, Parvatiji (Lord Shiva) etc.Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B

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Just by reading books and quoting them time and again will certainly not lead us to the spiritual path. In this path even a Guru can only show the way. You have to follow your own path. There is no quick fix in any religious book that takes us straight to sainthood. There aretwo paths. One is that of faith and the other of reasoning. Between the two faith always wins. That is why the Gopis were the beloved of Krishna. Kabirdas said the same thing about Dhai Aksher Prem Ke.

Hari Shanker Deo

LOVE

Share with me My Beloved .. The highest Love, Your own Beautiful Self ..........

The Love, without which... Today, you feel,.. Life will not be Life... Love will not be Love !

If it be the Joy of the Eye... The song of the Ear... The thirst of the Mind .. The seeking of the Heart

If it be the eye, the ear, the Mind ... Or even the Heart,

Live you will.. Love you will

BUT

Something of the Life will be missing.. Something in the Love will be hollow

You will be ever thirsty.. Your thirst will never .. Ever be quenched !

But

If for One Moment Now .. Awareness dawns in you .. That your Highest Love

Is the Self, you Yourself ... Full and complete ... In every detail... In every nuance ! ..In every way !!

Purnam art thou

purnam adah, purnam idam. purnat purnam udachyate

purnasya purnam adaya purnam evavasisayate

If Krishna in His Joy of Being .. On you has bestowed that.. Which He alone can----------

The Love of the Self .. Your own self .. And even though He gives you the Choice to choose

To accept or reject the Gift.. The Natkhat, in His love of you,,

Makes sure that you reject not this Gift of Love ... And you choose

Loving your self

If that indeed has happened .. If the happening has 'happened'

then, You are you no more .... You are the Highest Love

That you keep sharing and sharing .. With all the thirsty Beings.. Who are truly willing !

So now, This Moment Now... Tell me My Love

Share with me , my Beloved ... Your Highest Love !!!

AUM

narinder bhandari

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-Shree Hari-

Dear Meera Das Namaste,

When I read your account of The Gopis, and your comments.

My mind went to Julian of Norwich; her absolute love and devotion for herBeloved Divine Lord, gave her insights that went completely beyond the orthodoxviews of the Church of her time. She a "simple woman" wrote this below, note theheading:

Ever He Longs to have Our Love 71.…..Ah, wretched sin! What art thou? Thou art naught. For I saw that God is allthing— I saw not thee. And when I saw that God has made all things I saw theenot, and when I saw that God is in all things I saw thee not, and when I sawthat God does all things that is done, small and great, I saw thee not. And whenI saw our Lord sit in our soul so worshipfully and love and like, rule and carefor all that He has made, I saw not thee. …

How simple but profound, she saw 'The Kingdom, in her Heart'She understood such profundity through Divine Love, not through scholarly work.

Maybe thats what Radha Mohan Lal Ji was referring to when he implied, that therewas fare less for women to do to obtain liberation, than men.

Maybe our sister are way ahead of us males. As we stumble around caught up inour intellect.

With Respect and Divine Love,

Mike (K)