Guide Me in Accepting By Self that I am only God's and Only God is Mine

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Shri HariRam RamHow I can accept I am God's and only God is mine ? Acceptance theory of God realisation of Swami Ramsukhdass ji maharaj is very important, I know this but I am not accepting "I am only God's and only God is Mine." If I had accepted "I am only God's and only God is mine", then I would have realised God.

What should I do to accept I am God's and only God is mine? It is only when the Acceptance is by the Self that "I am only God's and only God is mine" that leads to God realisation.

Guide me what efforts i should do for acceptance of "I am only God's and only God is mine."

Thanks & RegardsRam RamPawan Kumar Singhal

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Shree Hari:

Ram Ram.

if you could read and believe in lines 13 - 14 on page 193 of the book Maanavamaatrake Kalyaanake Liye by Swamiji in Hindi.

Vineet,

Sarvottam.

 

Lines 13-14

"Bhagwaan mein bhi taakat nahin ki wah humaaraa sambandh tod de. Wah sarvasamarth hote hua bhi, hame chhodne mein asamarth hai."

 

"Even Bhagwaan does not have the strength to break off our relation with Him. Inspite of being Almighty, He is incapable of leaving us."

 

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NARAYAN ,NARAYAN,

 

In English

 

Body, senses, mind, intellect all in all belong to Paramatma, only by considering them to be ours we are trapped in bondage. You consider the mind entirely Bhagwaan's, then the modifications of the mind will not touch you. The happiness and sorrow arising in the mind, will not touch you. When everything is only Paramatma (God), and nothing at all is yours, then you have nothing to give and take from anyone.

 

Do not consider the mind to be your own. Do not consider the intellect to be your own, do not consider the ego to be your own. This work either you can do right NOW, or you can do after years, or after life times. By considering and accepting all of these to be belonging to yourself, it the cause of birth and death. Do not consider these are yours - then there is no bondage. See Gita 7/7. If you want your salvation and betterment, then accept that which is the Truth - that everything is ONLY BHAGWAAN's. Try to inquire and get to know the Truth. This will not only improve your spiritual life, but also your worldly relations. Whether you accept today, or after many lifetimes, the Truth will be known, will be realized, it is inevitable. It is a rule. Read Gita 6/44.

 

If you are unable to comprehend this message, then understand that it is the limitation of our understanding. There is no limitations in the Truth, the Essential Element (tattva). Everything is a manifestation of God.

 

Ramchandra

 

SHARIR, INDRIYA, MAN, BUDHI, SAB KE SAB PARMATMA KE HEIN INKO APNA MAN KAR HI HUM BANDHAN ME PADE HEIN.

AAP MAN KO SHARVTHA BHAGVAN KA MAN LO THO MAN KE VIKAR AAPKO NAHI LAGEGE.

MAN KE SUKH -DUKH APKO NAHI LAGEGE.JAB SAB KUCH PARMATMA HI HEIN APKA KUCH HEIN HI NAHI PHIR APKO KISI SE KYA LENA DENA.

MAN KO APNA MAT MANO, BUDHI KO APNA MAT MANO,AHNKAR KO APNA MAT MANO. YE KAM CHAHE AAJ ABHI KARO CHAE VARSHO BAD YA JANMO BAD

IN SAB KO APNA MAN NE SE JANAM -MARAN HOTE HEIN.UNKO APNA MAT MANO

THO KOI BANDHAN NAHI HEIN.

DEKHE[ GITA=7/ 7]

AGAR AAP UDHAR KARNA CHAHTE HO THO SACHI BAT KO SWIKAR KARLO

KI SAB KUCH BHAGWAN KA HEIN.

SACHI BAT KO KATNE KI BAJAY JANNE KI CHESTA KARO. APKA VAIVHAR THIK

HOJAYEGA OUR PARMARTH BHI THIK HOJAYEGA. CHAHE AAP AAJ MANO CHAHE

VARSHO BAD MANO. SACHI BAT ANUBHAV MEIN AAYEGI YE NIYAM HEIN.

DEKHO-GITA-[6/44]

AGAR YE BAT HAMARI SAMAZ MEIN NAHI AATI HE THO SAMZO HAMARI SAMAZ ME

KAMI HEIN.TATAV ME KAMI NAHI HEIN.[sAB JAG ISHWAR ROOP HEIN]

 

[RAMCHANDRA]

 

 

 

Dear Sadhak,

 

JUST ACCEPT--no efforts of any kinds needed in this.

The closest example is of a mother-son. Does a mother need any effort to accept her son ?

Only God is mine--just accept for once and alll...The problem is we say God is mine but we hesitate to say"ONLY God is mine". The minute we accept exclusive mineness with God, miracle happen.

 

with Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Shree Hari

 

|| Ram Ram ||

 

Dear Pawan Kumarji, thanks for bringing up a very important question!

 

Swamiji Maharaj in his discourses has emphasized the importance of this topic. Based on Swamiji's discourses:

 

1. Pls. read Sadhak Sanjivani (Hindi or English, the explanation of Gitaji Verse (12-8)

 

2. Recognize and accept fully that the major obstacles are in accepting "I am only God's and Only God is Mine" are:

- Bhoga (desire for enjoyment) and Sangrah (greed for accumulation).

- Our attachment to body, relationships and the world,

- Desiring sukha (happiness) from the relationships and the world

 

3. Utilize all what we have for service of the world only

 

4. Firmly accept and continuously practice Swamiji Maharaj's Panch-Amritas (5 Nectars):

- We are God's only

- Wherever we live, are living in HIs Darbar (court) only

- Whatever good actions we do they are His actions only

- Whatever pure ans auspicious we get are His Prasad (due to His blessings) only

- With the gift of His Prasad, we serve His subjects only

 

5. Accept that we cannot achieve our Goal on our own; pray to God to grant His love to us.

 

6. The deep desire for love of God, we stay restless till we achieve HIs love

 

7. Generally we do two things, 1) Think, 2). See

- When thinking - Think of Bhagvan's Vibhuties (Glories, Chapter 10)

- When seeing - Visualize Vishava Roopa (His Cosmic Form) everywhere (Chapter 11)

 

|| Ram Ram || Humble regards,Madan Kaura

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1. Trust what has been told to you. And Just Surrender!...

2. Next, have patience without any doubt......

3. park your all questions somewhere....including "i am Gods....."

4. Don't think about acceptance or non-acceptance....

5. Keep knowing more about wisdom of life / spiritually.....you Self

 

 

It is simple but our mind makes it very complicated.....Let the mind rest....

you will get there....where the questions dissolve.....the state of oneness....

 

Sushil Jain

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

Swamiji has made very profound statement which comes from his own experiential understanding of himself, Self, and God. Only then one can make such a statement as "I am God's and only God is mine"!

Acceptance of this truth is not a theory, but it could be provisional acceptance in the beginning with tremendous Trust and relentless pursuit through sadhana. This will result in flash like glimpses of our own true nature, and the meaning of Self and God being the same as I am. This is what is spoken of in BG ch 2 at length.

Acceptance by Self means we need to know that we are Self-Atman-Pure Being only, but have forgotten due to ignorance(identification with body-mind) creating a false sense of "me". There is only Self, and thus acceptance is by Self only; "me' is never going to accept it as it spells death to it.

Acceptance "I am God's, and only God is mine" as often as we remind ourselves, helps us regain our lost memory of always being God-realized-Self.

Namaskar.........Pratap Bhatt--

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Pawanji has asked a very good Q. Such Qs give momentum to Satsanga. Basically no efforts are needed in acceptance advocated by Swamiji. It is a KARAN NIRAPEKSHA SADHAN- sans mind/ego/intellect/body/inert. It is made by SELF. But in practical terms I would still say : First ponder over DOOSARO NA KOI. Is there any one of you? If you , by the help of intellect/mind able to fully understand that there is no one of yours , in other words, if you are firm in negating the importance of world from deep within ....the acceptance of Paramatma as yours will be automatic! Difficulty is not in Accepting " Only God is mine, I am of the God"...difficulty is in negating.. Doosaro Na koi. Hence , in my humble view, first concentrate on removing the importance of inert, worldly pleasures from your psyche. Think ! Read Swamiji's books...and ascertain even by application of inert mind... whether world is yours? Once DOOSARO NA KOI is clear to you, it will be very easy for you to accept "Mere to Girdhar Gopal" . You see to say MERE TO GIRDHAR GOPAL is easy, but not to deviate from it is rather challenging. Hence stay tuned to deliberations on this thread. We are fortunate to be having among us some very knowledgeable students of Swamiji's teachings ....they all will help you in this.

 

Swami Rupesh Kumar

 

Ram Ram,Although I am trying to explain you as per my understanding, I am not sure whether I will be able to succeed or not.As per Swamiji's quotation from Gita, and he also emphasized many times that whatever you are seeing which is not existing at any moment, is not going to be there for all the moment. Also there is a continuous extinction of this world which we are seeing, but our understaning ( or in other words, the power of understanding) is not getting extincted. This knowingness is trivial to everyone, and this itself has to be worked upon.Nasato Vidhyatey Bhavo, Nabhavo Vidhyatey Sataha (there is continuous extinction of this world, and what you are in never getting extincted, truth always remains)."Nahi so sundar hai sada, hai so sundar nahi,nahi ko parkat dekhiye, hai so deekhat nahi"You this theory has to be practiced that whatever is getting finished or extincted, was never there and will never be there and so one should not waste anymore time working upon it. In a nutshell, whatever has ever extincted was never there and no one can even claim his propritership on it. And this understanding or knowingness is always there. This primary belief has to be strengthened and only then you can claim for learning the path of reaching to God.Jai Siya Ram!!!- Kuldeep Chaturvedi

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Those who accept "I am only God's and only God is mine" are very advanced personalities and rare. As I am far from reaching this goal, it is difficult to comment this."I am Rams" means following:- I would be in samta in all material circumstances because I am not this matter and then, why worry about it. cinta deen dayal ko man sada ananda - Ram has all our worries and I am always happy.- Praise or dishonor does not matter. I am Ram's and ultimately, Ram's views matter. If I did something wrong which will make Ram unhappy, then I should accept it and fix it. Otherwise, other people's views don't matter.- Diseases, bodily comfort and pleause don't matter. The body in which I live belongs to Ram. I am supposed to take good care of it. Ultimately, it is Ram and I should be in samta. - I am supposed to take care of family but ultimately they are Ram's and Ram is supposed to take care of their welfare. I get worried about family if they get late etc. Why should I worry if Ram is taking care of them? I should do my best and then, leave it on Ram.- I should do my karma as service to Ram and then, leave everything to Ram.Few ways to increaes our acceptance of this:- When I do jap, I repeat with the feeling that I am Ram's, Swamiji quotes Tulsidas quite often in naam jap - hohi ram ka japu. Tulsidas says that "Ram ka ho kar jap kar na chahiye". I keep on saying during jap - "Ram, I am Yours". This is very powerful.- When I reach office, I play if possible Swamiji's bhajan (meh to hamare ramji ka.....). It is 4-5 mins bhajan and it sets my mood before working. At work, it is easier to get agitaged. So, it is helpful to start work with it.- At night, look at whole day, Did I accept that I am Ram's? Was I agitaged by dishonor? Was I agitated by material loss or money? Did I do my job properly as service to Ram? and so on.

Gaurav Mittal

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Dear Sadak Pawan,Just get audio and video material on saints, puranas, and scripts. Say for instance: One can get Bagavat, Geetha, Video on Gnaneswar, Sant Sakubai, Sant Tukaram etc. Concentrate on the leelas of Bagavan, slowly you will start loving HIM and slowly HE (God) enters in you and rest leave it to HIM and relax. your heart will be filled with Bakthi and you will loose attachment even on family members. I did this since 12 years and I have large library on almost all puranas and saints. The library is so vast if one listens daily 4 hours he can be in divine touch within 5 years.B.Sathyanarayan

 

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Shri HariRam RamHow I can accept I am God's and only God is mine ? Acceptance theory of God realisation of Swami Ramsukhdass ji maharaj is very important, I know this but I am not accepting "I am only God's and only God is Mine." If I had accepted "I am only God's and only God is mine", then I would have realised God.

What should I do to accept I am God's and only God is mine? It is only when the Acceptance is by the Self that "I am only God's and only God is mine" that leads to God realisation.

Guide me what efforts i should do for acceptance of "I am only God's and only God is mine."

Thanks & RegardsRam RamPawan Kumar Singhal

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Shree Hari.Namaste,.....Its reality is only in and through and from Brahman , from THE reality,the only reality manifested in all these different forms. The forms keep comingand going and changing, the one reality the one WORD , the one truth ismanifests in all theses forms........ but you cannot get this insight as long as you remain on the merelyrational level. The rational logical is created to divide, to analyze, to breakthings up......Today in science they say the universe is a field of energy working atdifferent frequencies, and we are all part of this field of energies....... [Ex.From 'On retreat with Bede Griffiths'].This was my thought platform that was triggered in my heart, before I read it,can you imagine how astounded I was when I started to contemplate the BhagavadGita, regarding the extract above can you see how real Gitaji is?Bhagavad Gita : 10-88. I am the source of all; from me everything evolves; understanding thus, thewise, endowed with meditation, worship me.Bhagavad Gita : 11-1818.You are the Imperishable, the Supreme Being, worthy of being known; you arethe great treasure-house of this universe; you are the imperishable protector ofthe eternal Dharma; you are the ancient Person, I deem.

Pawanji, You said: "Guide me what efforts i should do for acceptance of "I amonly God's and only God is mine."You are inseparable from Bhagwan , so how can you be anything but GODS, and GOD is the eternal constant, thus; and only GOD is yours, no effort, just look into your soul Accept, nothing will destroy that acceptance, impossible!With Respect and Divine Love,Mike Keenor

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Priy Pawan JI

One thing is sure U dont have other option except accepting God.

Second What is the problem in accepting the Truth?

Please elaborate what exactly is stopping you from accepting?

Thanx

Raja Gurdasani

 

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Shri Hari

Ram Ram

I am thankful to all of you which are showing way towards God realisation especially Gita-talk . THANK YOU!

Comments by Sh.Sushil Jain, Swami rupesh kumar & Sh.B.Sathyanarayan and other have particularly been remarkable for me personally in increasing my deep desire for love of God. As I now understand - First I have to try to accept DUSRO NA KOI (There is None Other / No One else is Mine).

 

Thanks & Regards

Pawan Kumar Singhal

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jay ho...... Rajneesh Gupta

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Shree Hari:Ram Ram. if you could read and believe in lines 13 - 14 on page 193 of the book Maanavamaatrake Kalyaanake Liye by Swamiji in Hindi.Vineet,Sarvottam. Lines 13-14"Bhagwaan mein bhi taakat nahin ki wah humaaraa sambandh tod de. Wah sarvasamarth hote hua bhi, hame chhodne mein asamarth hai." "Even Bhagwaan does not have the strength to break off our relation with Him. Inspite of being Almighty, He is incapable of leaving us." -----------NARAYAN ,NARAYAN, In English Body, senses, mind, intellect all in all belong to Paramatma, only by considering them to be ours we are trapped in bondage. You consider the mind entirely Bhagwaan's, then the modifications of the mind will not touch you. The happiness and sorrow arising in the mind, will not touch you. When everything is only Paramatma (God), and nothing at all is yours, then you have nothing to give and take from anyone. Do not consider the mind to be your own. Do not consider the intellect to be your own, do not consider the ego to be your own. This work either you can do right NOW, or you can do after years, or after life times. By considering and accepting all of these to be belonging to yourself, it the cause of birth and death. Do not consider these are yours - then there is no bondage. See Gita 7/7. If you want your salvation and betterment, then accept that which is the Truth - that everything is ONLY BHAGWAAN's. Try to inquire and get to know the Truth. This will not only improve your spiritual life, but also your worldly relations. Whether you accept today, or after many lifetimes, the Truth will be known, will be realized, it is inevitable. It is a rule. Read Gita 6/44. If you are unable to comprehend this message, then understand that it is the limitation of our understanding. There is no limitations in the Truth, the Essential Element (tattva). Everything is a manifestation of God. Ramchandra SHARIR, INDRIYA, MAN, BUDHI, SAB KE SAB PARMATMA KE HEIN INKO APNA MAN KAR HI HUM BANDHAN ME PADE HEIN.AAP MAN KO SHARVTHA BHAGVAN KA MAN LO THO MAN KE VIKAR AAPKO NAHI LAGEGE.MAN KE SUKH -DUKH APKO NAHI LAGEGE.JAB SAB KUCH PARMATMA HI HEIN APKA KUCH HEIN HI NAHI PHIR APKO KISI SE KYA LENA DENA.MAN KO APNA MAT MANO, BUDHI KO APNA MAT MANO,AHNKAR KO APNA MAT MANO. YE KAM CHAHE AAJ ABHI KARO CHAE VARSHO BAD YA JANMO BAD IN SAB KO APNA MAN NE SE JANAM -MARAN HOTE HEIN.UNKO APNA MAT MANOTHO KOI BANDHAN NAHI HEIN. DEKHE[ GITA=7/ 7]AGAR AAP UDHAR KARNA CHAHTE HO THO SACHI BAT KO SWIKAR KARLOKI SAB KUCH BHAGWAN KA HEIN.SACHI BAT KO KATNE KI BAJAY JANNE KI CHESTA KARO. APKA VAIVHAR THIK HOJAYEGA OUR PARMARTH BHI THIK HOJAYEGA. CHAHE AAP AAJ MANO CHAHEVARSHO BAD MANO. SACHI BAT ANUBHAV MEIN AAYEGI YE NIYAM HEIN.DEKHO-GITA-[6/44]AGAR YE BAT HAMARI SAMAZ MEIN NAHI AATI HE THO SAMZO HAMARI SAMAZ MEKAMI HEIN.TATAV ME KAMI NAHI HEIN.[sAB JAG ISHWAR ROOP HEIN] [RAMCHANDRA] Dear Sadhak, JUST ACCEPT--no efforts of any kinds needed in this.The closest example is of a mother-son. Does a mother need any effort to accept her son ?Only God is mine--just accept for once and alll...The problem is we say God is mine but we hesitate to say"ONLY God is mine". The minute we accept exclusive mineness with God, miracle happen. with Love,a sadhikaSadhna Karigar-Shree Hari|| Ram Ram ||Dear Pawan Kumarji, thanks for bringing up a very important question!Swamiji Maharaj in his discourses has emphasized the importance of this topic. Based on Swamiji's discourses:1. Pls. read Sadhak Sanjivani (Hindi or English, the explanation of Gitaji Verse (12-8)2. Recognize and accept fully that the major obstacles are in accepting "I am only God's and Only God is Mine" are:- Bhoga (desire for enjoyment) and Sangrah (greed for accumulation). - Our attachment to body, relationships and the world, - Desiring sukha (happiness) from the relationships and the world 3. Utilize all what we have for service of the world only4. Firmly accept and continuously practice Swamiji Maharaj's Panch-Amritas (5 Nectars):- We are God's only - Wherever we live, are living in HIs Darbar (court) only- Whatever good actions we do they are His actions only - Whatever pure ans auspicious we get are His Prasad (due to His blessings) only- With the gift of His Prasad, we serve His subjects only5. Accept that we cannot achieve our Goal on our own; pray to God to grant His love to us. 6. The deep desire for love of God, we stay restless till we achieve HIs love7. Generally we do two things, 1) Think, 2). See - When thinking - Think of Bhagvan's Vibhuties (Glories, Chapter 10)- When seeing - Visualize Vishava Roopa (His Cosmic Form) everywhere (Chapter 11) || Ram Ram ||

Humble regards,Madan Kaura------ 1. Trust what has been told to you. And Just Surrender!...2. Next, have patience without any doubt......3. park your all questions somewhere....including "i am Gods....."4. Don't think about acceptance or non-acceptance....5. Keep knowing more about wisdom of life / spiritually.....you Self It is simple but our mind makes it very complicated.....Let the mind rest....you will get there....where the questions dissolve.....the state of oneness....

Sushil Jain -----------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Swamiji has made very profound statement which comes from his own experiential understanding of himself, Self, and God. Only then one can make such a statement as "I am God's and only God is mine"! Acceptance of this truth is not a theory, but it could be provisional acceptance in the beginning with tremendous Trust and relentless pursuit through sadhana. This will result in flash like glimpses of our own true nature, and the meaning of Self and God being the same as I am. This is what is spoken of in BG ch 2 at length. Acceptance by Self means we need to know that we are Self-Atman-Pure Being only, but have forgotten due to ignorance(identification with body-mind) creating a false sense of "me". There is only Self, and thus acceptance is by Self only; "me' is never going to accept it as it spells death to it. Acceptance "I am God's, and only God is mine" as often as we remind ourselves, helps us regain our lost memory of always being God-realized-Self.Namaskar.........Pratap Bhatt--Jai Shree Krishna Pawanji has asked a very good Q. Such Qs give momentum to Satsanga. Basically no efforts are needed in acceptance advocated by Swamiji. It is a KARAN NIRAPEKSHA SADHAN- sans mind/ego/intellect/body/inert. It is made by SELF. But in practical terms I would still say : First ponder over DOOSARO NA KOI. Is there any one of you? If you , by the help of intellect/mind able to fully understand that there is no one of yours , in other words, if you are firm in negating the importance of world from deep within ....the acceptance of Paramatma as yours will be automatic! Difficulty is not in Accepting " Only God is mine, I am of the God"...difficulty is in negating.. Doosaro Na koi. Hence , in my humble view, first concentrate on removing the importance of inert, worldly pleasures from your psyche. Think ! Read Swamiji's books...and ascertain even by application of inert mind... whether world is yours? Once DOOSARO NA KOI is clear to you, it will be very easy for you to accept "Mere to Girdhar Gopal" . You see to say MERE TO GIRDHAR GOPAL is easy, but not to deviate from it is rather challenging. Hence stay tuned to deliberations on this thread. We are fortunate to be having among us some very knowledgeable students of Swamiji's teachings ....they all will help you in this. Swami Rupesh Kumar

 

Ram Ram,

Although I am trying to explain you as per my understanding, I am not sure whether I will be able to succeed or not.

As per Swamiji's quotation from Gita, and he also emphasized many times that whatever you are seeing which is not existing at any moment, is not going to be there for all the moment. Also there is a continuous extinction of this world which we are seeing, but our understaning ( or in other words, the power of understanding) is not getting extincted. This knowingness is trivial to everyone, and this itself has to be worked upon.

Nasato Vidhyatey Bhavo, Nabhavo Vidhyatey Sataha (there is continuous extinction of this world, and what you are in never getting extincted, truth always remains).

"Nahi so sundar hai sada, hai so sundar nahi,nahi ko parkat dekhiye, hai so deekhat nahi"

You this theory has to be practiced that whatever is getting finished or extincted, was never there and will never be there and so one should not waste anymore time working upon it.

In a nutshell, whatever has ever extincted was never there and no one can even claim his propritership on it. And this understanding or knowingness is always there. This primary belief has to be strengthened and only then you can claim for learning the path of reaching to God.

Jai Siya Ram!!!

- Kuldeep Chaturvedi

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Those who accept "I am only God's and only God is mine" are very advanced personalities and rare. As I am far from reaching this goal, it is difficult to comment this.

"I am Rams" means following:- I would be in samta in all material circumstances because I am not this matter and then, why worry about it. cinta deen dayal ko man sada ananda - Ram has all our worries and I am always happy.- Praise or dishonor does not matter. I am Ram's and ultimately, Ram's views matter. If I did something wrong which will make Ram unhappy, then I should accept it and fix it. Otherwise, other people's views don't matter.- Diseases, bodily comfort and pleause don't matter. The body in which I live belongs to Ram. I am supposed to take good care of it. Ultimately, it is Ram and I should be in samta. - I am supposed to take care of family but ultimately they are Ram's and Ram is supposed to take care of their welfare. I get worried about family if they get late etc. Why should I worry if Ram is taking care of them? I should do my best and then, leave it on Ram.- I should do my karma as service to Ram and then, leave everything to Ram.

Few ways to increaes our acceptance of this:

- When I do jap, I repeat with the feeling that I am Ram's, Swamiji quotes Tulsidas quite often in naam jap - hohi ram ka japu. Tulsidas says that "Ram ka ho kar jap kar na chahiye". I keep on saying during jap - "Ram, I am Yours". This is very powerful.- When I reach office, I play if possible Swamiji's bhajan (meh to hamare ramji ka.....). It is 4-5 mins bhajan and it sets my mood before working. At work, it is easier to get agitaged. So, it is helpful to start work with it.- At night, look at whole day, Did I accept that I am Ram's? Was I agitaged by dishonor? Was I agitated by material loss or money? Did I do my job properly as service to Ram? and so on.

Gaurav Mittal

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Dear Sadak Pawan,Just get audio and video material on saints, puranas, and scripts. Say for instance: One can get Bagavat, Geetha, Video on Gnaneswar, Sant Sakubai, Sant Tukaram etc. Concentrate on the leelas of Bagavan, slowly you will start loving HIM and slowly HE (God) enters in you and rest leave it to HIM and relax. your heart will be filled with Bakthi and you will loose attachment even on family members. I did this since 12 years and I have large library on almost all puranas and saints. The library is so vast if one listens daily 4 hours he can be in divine touch within 5 years.B.Sathyanarayan

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FOR QUESTIONER1. The questions as far as possible must be relevant to Gita, relevant toDharma, relavant to other scriptures and relevant to motivate Sadhaks to take upspiritual path2. The Questioner must commit to daily Gita study3. Only one question at a time.4. Question must be brief, to the point and relevant to the group's primary aimof deeper understanding of Gita.

GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES for RESPONDER: PLEASE -1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible..3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that theyfurther help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. Be concise, to the point, refraining from criticism or personal attacks. Be respectful of all sadhaks and avoid judging others. 5. Focus on subject at hand only.6. Do not include links to the other sites; personal information (Ph #, addressetc) or personalize message to particular person7. All responses may not be posted and moderator at his discretion, may modifythe posting.8. Please keep in mind novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Limitthe use to Sanskrit words and provide English word bracketed.

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Shri HariRam RamHow I can accept I am God's and only God is mine ? Acceptance theory of God realisation of Swami Ramsukhdass ji maharaj is very important, I know this but I am not accepting "I am only God's and only God is Mine." If I had accepted "I am only God's and only God is mine", then I would have realised God.

What should I do to accept I am God's and only God is mine? It is only when the Acceptance is by the Self that "I am only God's and only God is mine" that leads to God realisation.

Guide me what efforts i should do for acceptance of "I am only God's and only God is mine."

Thanks & RegardsRam RamPawan Kumar Singhal

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I happened to hear lecture by Swamiji today which explains this topic very nicely. Lecture is 1991oct04_1630hrs.

http://www.swamiramsukhdasji.org/swamijicontent/ and select date range and the specific date and time.

I will request sadhaks to hear this lecture to increase the understanding that we are Ram's and Ram is only ours.

 

Gaurav Mittla

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Jai HanumanIt will not be an exaggeration to state that creation is all a matter of "acceptance" ! Acceptance(Rejection) is therefore key not only in spiritual matters but in every other matter ! This "acceptance" has to be rightly placed. The power of acceptance is the ONLY power which Jeeva has got, fundamentally at SELF level. (Sadhaks may seriously ponder over this) . It is always effortless and requires no help of body, mind, intellect etc. Self has only this capacity. Rest everything is in the regime of Prakruti ! This power/ability of acceptance is stated in scriptures as faith/devotion/trust/belief , etc ! When you make a wrong acceptance, the remedy lies in rejection of that acceptance ! That is called "tyaag" (Renunciation). That gives you instant peace (Gita 12/12) ! Tyaag - is always of "other"- as a Law ! (You can't renounce what is yours - Can the Sun reject light out of it ?). But then the other was never yours ab-initio ! It is not yours! It will not be yours! It is not possible for "other" to be yours ! But it still appears to be yours !! You are still bound by it ? WHY ? Because of "acceptance" placed wrongly. You have "accepted" ... Doosara (other) to be me and mine !! Hence key is "acceptance" ! You have to address this "acceptance", if placed wrongly !! Remedy- TYAAG ! Accept - Doosara Na Koi !! That in fact is real TYAAG !!!Namaste JeeJee JeeShashikala

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Hari Om"Acceptance" referred is effortless because you are already God's and in reality only God is yours. Problem is that it is not "exclusive" from your side ! We are not able to eliminate dependence/desire of "doosara" (other; prakruti; Jagat -mind/intellect/ego/body). So long as that "doosara" is not renounced; exclusive relationship with God can not be said to have firmly "established" from Jeeva's side.Hence: ONLY God is mine ! Hence: DOOSARO NA KOI ! From God's side the relationship is ever established- as one sadhak stated, God has no ability to "disconnect" with Jeeva ! Similarly, whatever efforts Jeeva may make, you have no ability to "connect" with Jagat. In fact, you are ever "disconnected" with Jagat and ever "connected" with Jagdish."Connection" is established necessarily by accepting "me" and "mineness" with some one.The problem lies in "wrong acceptance/assumption"(Me/mine) at present- whereby you have assumed ASAT to be "me/mine" - by "bhavas" (SELF):-1 you have "assumed" at present disconnection with Jagdish( if you have not assumed at present disconnection with Jagdish, why did you raise the Q ? Why do you want to connect yourself with Him? Why this desire to connect with Him has arisen? ) and2 you have "assumed" connection with Jagat. (Otherwise why you are eager to disconnect yourself with it? Why do you want to change? Why do you want to establish mineness with Paramatma? ) Hence "Sat" has been not accepted and "Asat" has been accepted. Thus you have made wrong acceptance.It is a law that any acceptance previously made ( Here-Connection with Asat) can be cancelled/left/negated/renounced ONLY by making a reverse/opposite acceptance (Here- disconnection with Asat) . What is that reverse acceptance now you should make ? DOOSARO NA KOI !!That a "desire" has arisen in you to make "correct assumption" - your desire is "auspicious" (Subhecchha) and has become SATSANGA- and is not thus a worldly desire ! Keep this desire (Abhilaasha) burning in you. Come back with practical challenges you face in the process. As Rajaji Gurdasani told: State where you feel difficulties in above ! What is so difficult in renouncing that with which you are ever "disconnected" ACTUALLY, and your connection with it is merely "assumed" ? Can you remain connected with Jagat ? If no, what is difficult in rejecting your connection (me/mineness) with it? Simply accept the opposite - Doosaro Na Koi !! When you negate the wrong assumption; correct assumption is automatically/effortlessly made ! When you do not tell a lie, truth automatically gets uttered ! What efforts are entailed in speaking truth ? Real acceptance is invisible. It is natural. It ceases to be different than you. It becomes part of you as "kaajal" becomes part of eyes! It is remembered without remembering. It is effortless. No "insistence" or "doership" is needed. It has no aid of inert- mind etc . It is "SELF made" ! It is truthful. It is SAHAJ ! It is SAT !!Hence do - SATSANGA !! Why Satsanga? So that your acceptance remains firm ! Jeeva tends to get drawn/attracted towards Prakruti (BG 15:7/ 2:60) . However, if your desire is focussed, even God will help in stregthening your "acceptance"(7:21) ! Hence do Associate yourself with Truth; with SAT; with Paramatma- MERE TO GIRDHAR GOPAL by the path of "reverse acceptance" vizDOOSARO NA KOI !!Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B

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Dear sadhakas,Hare krishna. This is in response to a question from a sadhaka. . Lord Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita,"Mamaivamso jiva loke,Jiva bhutah sanatanah. " ( Gita 15,7)Which means" The living entities in this material world are My eternal fragmental parts. "As the fragmental parts of the lord, the living entities have fragmental portions of His qualities. Independence is one such quality. If we misuse our independence, we become coditioned souls. If we use indepenence in right way ( devotional service), we become liberated. Lord Krishna says in Gita,"Yo mam pasyati sarvatra,Sarvam ca mayi pasyati,Tasyaham na pranasyami,Sa ca me na pranasyati. " Gita 6, 30)Which means,"For one who sees Me everywhere and sees everything in Me, I am never lost to him and he is never lost to Me. "Krishna consciousness is the process of developing love for Krishna. Once we are in the loving, devotional service of Him, Lord Krishna always stays in our sight. Lord Krishna is also known as ' Bhakta Sulabha' which means it is easy to reach Him. Lord is easily accessible to his devotees. We are all His and He is all ours, once we are in deep devotional service.Sankirtana yagna or chanting of the Holy Name of the Lord is practical for this age. Thank you,Hare Krishna. Prasad.A.Iragavarapu, M.D

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Sadak Pawan says, "First I have to try to accept DUSRO NA KOI (There is None Other / No One else is Mine)".

There are many child saints, woman saints and family saints. If you come to know there history you will know that DUSRO goes away automatically by Bakthi. Sri Krishna in Geetha mentions about Bakthi Marg. Only in Bakthi Marg chapter HE says "Name Baktha". Not for sanyasin or yogi. In Bakthi Marg you will automatically get released from thoughts of DUSRO. It happens- One cannot eliminate by his sadana. Just think of any saint, even Sant Meera. She said DUSRO when? Only when she reached the heights of Bakthi. Mostly all saints had love towards God from childhood. As they grew the passion for Bakthi it increased and people around them caused sufferings, but they were stead fast in Bakthi.One Example: Baktha Gora- Stamped his child in mud by accident. His wife became furious to throw away Vittal idol from home. Gora took axe to kill her. Imagine Gora son` s body was there, and Gora wanted to kill his wife because she insulted Vittal Moorthy. If I was there, I will remain silent for all the abuses and would have remained still if Vittal was to be broken (Thinking that It is after all Idol- God Omnipresent, God is all pervasive Etc as many sadaks say, let her do what she wants). There is vedio on Gora- see it and feel the deapth of Bakthi what Bagavan mentions in Geetha (Ananiya Chithayayome). Atleast desire to follow Gora foot steps- Bakthi comes by itself Jai Sri Krishna

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Shree Hari Ram Ram

Satyanarayanji your statement "even Sant Meera, she said DUSRO when? Only when she reached the heights of Bakthi." Is this your understanding, or have you read this somewhere? As we understand, the acceptance of "dosero na koyi" was immediate, from day 1, with Sant Mirabai, just like a newly pronounced girl accepts her groom only as her husband immediately, and no one else as her husband.

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Question anything that poses as "You" or as "God" ... question anything thatclaims a relation with "You" or with "God" ... question the very identity ...question the very ownership …How to "accept" by Self? How to realize that I am only God's and Only God isMine?By realizing how I can never establish with whatsoever means that anything couldbelong to me or I could belong to anything else ... and, by realizing how I amnot whatever I think I am and how whatever that may claim to be me is not me ...till the Mine-ness as well as I-ness vanish completely in our presence ...By realizing how anything that we can think of (as well as anything we can notthink of) IS NOT The God ... by appreciating at the same time how The God ISanything that we can think of and we can't even think of ... till the His-nessand He-ness is established all around as well as within ...... as the I-ness mitigates ... and as He-ness is revealed in everythingincluding the erstwhile "I" ...... as the Mine-ness mitigates ... and as His-ness occupies everything includingthe erstwhile "I" ...... when there is no "I" ... when there is no "you" ... when there is no "any"... And, when there is only He ...... what is Mine? ... and, what is His? ...... All is That and That is All ...... I am That and That is Me ...... I am All and All is Me ...... Sarvam khalu idam Brahma ...... Aham Brahmaasmi ...... Vaasudevah sarvam ...To start the quest from within ... to sustain the quest … to quench the questwithin … am I not His? Is He not Mine? ... Yes! I am! ... Yes!! He is!! … whenI am His and He is Mine, who am I and who is He? … am I not He and is He not Me?... When there is ONE as anything and everything, where is the identity andwhere can be the ownership? ...Relish the very quest "Who is who and who is whose?" as it raises ... as itgrows ... as it dies ... experience the raise, the growth as well as the deathabsolutely as they are and as you are ...Respects.Naga Narayana

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Nothing can one's mind accept unless one is convinced. Just go on testing the hypothesis that ' God is mine and I am God's" with your life experience of events, actions, results, etc.. Try to disprove this with as many instances as possible. The day when you fail to disprove the hypothesis, you will start trying to prove the hypothesis. God willing one day you will realize the Truth and able to prove it to yourself. There is no short cut, no uniqwue method. You have to rely on your on method of continuous teasting of the hypothesis.

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Ram Ram

Mr.Raja Gurdasani replied and advising me to elaborate what exactly is stopping me from accepting God.

Unfavourable circumstances disturb my mind which I know to tolerate (Gita 2.14) but not accepting these are temporary (Gita 2.16).Excuse me I am helpless.I know,I say but not accepting by self ( as described in prayer written by Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj Ji)

I am praying Hey Nath Me AAP KA HU.By the grace of God it will happen one day that I will accept by self that I am Only God's and only God is mine.

Thanks & Regards

Pawan Kumar Singhal

 

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God realisation is not easy. Ultimately it is our own effort. For this one must prepare oneselfthrough sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation. A guru I know meditatedfor 5 long years. He was attracted towards spirituality and left homeand hearth to serve a guru and remained a brahamchari. Therefore thereis no quick fix and God will come to you only when you are ready forHim.

Hari Shanker Deo

 

Shree Hari Ram Ram

Hari Shanker Deoji, How much tapas, sadhna, meditation, satsang was needed for a girl to accept the groom has her husband? Was there any doubt in her mind? Thereafter, did she ever wake up in the morning thinking she is still single? Did she go back and forth, running to her parents house thinking she is still single? Did she do more sadhna and tapas to remind herself that she is married to return to her husband? sincerely think about this... even acceptance of someone as Guru... how much sadhna and tapas etc does it take?

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Shree Hari.

Namaste,

......Its reality is only in and through and from Brahman , from THE reality,the only reality manifested in all these different forms. The forms keep comingand going and changing, the one reality the one WORD , the one truth ismanifests in all theses forms........ but you cannot get this insight as long as you remain on the merelyrational level. The rational logical is created to divide, to analyze, to breakthings up......Today in science they say the universe is a field of energy working atdifferent frequencies, and we are all part of this field of energies....... [Ex.From 'On retreat with Bede Griffiths'].

This was my thought platform that was triggered in my heart, before I read it,can you imagine how astounded I was when I started to contemplate the BhagavadGita, regarding the extract above can you see how real Gitaji is?Bhagavad Gita : 10-88. I am the source of all; from me everything evolves; understanding thus, thewise, endowed with meditation, worship me.Bhagavad Gita : 11-1818.You are the Imperishable, the Supreme Being, worthy of being known; you arethe great treasure-house of this universe; you are the imperishable protector ofthe eternal Dharma; you are the ancient Person, I deem.

Pawanji, You said: "Guide me what efforts i should do for acceptance of "I amonly God's and only God is mine."

You are inseparable from Bhagwan , so how can you be anything but GODS, and GOD is the eternal constant, thus; and only GOD is yours, no effort, just look into your soul Accept, nothing will destroy that acceptance, impossible!

With Respect and Divine Love,

Mike Keenor

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One thing is sure U dont have other option except accepting God.Second What is the problem in accepting the Truth?Please elaborate what exactly is stopping you from accepting?ThanxRaja Gurdasani ----Shri HariRam RamI am thankful to all of you which are showing way towards God realisation especially Gita-talk . THANK YOU! Comments by Sh.Sushil Jain, Swami rupesh kumar & Sh.B.Sathyanarayan and other have particularly been remarkable for me personally in increasing my deep desire for love of God. As I now understand - First I have to try to accept DUSRO NA KOI (There is None Other / No One else is Mine). Thanks & RegardsPawan Kumar Singhal----jay ho...... Rajneesh Gupta-----PRIOR POSTING

Shree Hari:Ram Ram. if you could read and believe in lines 13 - 14 on page 193 of the book Maanavamaatrake Kalyaanake Liye by Swamiji in Hindi.Vineet,Sarvottam. Lines 13-14"Bhagwaan mein bhi taakat nahin ki wah humaaraa sambandh tod de. Wah sarvasamarth hote hua bhi, hame chhodne mein asamarth hai." "Even Bhagwaan does not have the strength to break off our relation with Him. Inspite of being Almighty, He is incapable of leaving us." -----------NARAYAN ,NARAYAN, In English Body, senses, mind, intellect all in all belong to Paramatma, only by considering them to be ours we are trapped in bondage. You consider the mind entirely Bhagwaan's, then the modifications of the mind will not touch you. The happiness and sorrow arising in the mind, will not touch you. When everything is only Paramatma (God), and nothing at all is yours, then you have nothing to give and take from anyone. Do not consider the mind to be your own. Do not consider the intellect to be your own, do not consider the ego to be your own. This work either you can do right NOW, or you can do after years, or after life times. By considering and accepting all of these to be belonging to yourself, it the cause of birth and death. Do not consider these are yours - then there is no bondage. See Gita 7/7. If you want your salvation and betterment, then accept that which is the Truth - that everything is ONLY BHAGWAAN's. Try to inquire and get to know the Truth. This will not only improve your spiritual life, but also your worldly relations. Whether you accept today, or after many lifetimes, the Truth will be known, will be realized, it is inevitable. It is a rule. Read Gita 6/44. If you are unable to comprehend this message, then understand that it is the limitation of our understanding. There is no limitations in the Truth, the Essential Element (tattva). Everything is a manifestation of God. Ramchandra SHARIR, INDRIYA, MAN, BUDHI, SAB KE SAB PARMATMA KE HEIN INKO APNA MAN KAR HI HUM BANDHAN ME PADE HEIN.AAP MAN KO SHARVTHA BHAGVAN KA MAN LO THO MAN KE VIKAR AAPKO NAHI LAGEGE.MAN KE SUKH -DUKH APKO NAHI LAGEGE.JAB SAB KUCH PARMATMA HI HEIN APKA KUCH HEIN HI NAHI PHIR APKO KISI SE KYA LENA DENA.MAN KO APNA MAT MANO, BUDHI KO APNA MAT MANO,AHNKAR KO APNA MAT MANO. YE KAM CHAHE AAJ ABHI KARO CHAE VARSHO BAD YA JANMO BAD IN SAB KO APNA MAN NE SE JANAM -MARAN HOTE HEIN.UNKO APNA MAT MANOTHO KOI BANDHAN NAHI HEIN. DEKHE[ GITA=7/ 7]AGAR AAP UDHAR KARNA CHAHTE HO THO SACHI BAT KO SWIKAR KARLOKI SAB KUCH BHAGWAN KA HEIN.SACHI BAT KO KATNE KI BAJAY JANNE KI CHESTA KARO. APKA VAIVHAR THIK HOJAYEGA OUR PARMARTH BHI THIK HOJAYEGA. CHAHE AAP AAJ MANO CHAHEVARSHO BAD MANO. SACHI BAT ANUBHAV MEIN AAYEGI YE NIYAM HEIN.DEKHO-GITA-[6/44]AGAR YE BAT HAMARI SAMAZ MEIN NAHI AATI HE THO SAMZO HAMARI SAMAZ MEKAMI HEIN.TATAV ME KAMI NAHI HEIN.[sAB JAG ISHWAR ROOP HEIN] [RAMCHANDRA] Dear Sadhak, JUST ACCEPT--no efforts of any kinds needed in this.The closest example is of a mother-son. Does a mother need any effort to accept her son ?Only God is mine--just accept for once and alll...The problem is we say God is mine but we hesitate to say"ONLY God is mine". The minute we accept exclusive mineness with God, miracle happen. with Love,a sadhikaSadhna Karigar-Shree Hari|| Ram Ram ||Dear Pawan Kumarji, thanks for bringing up a very important question!Swamiji Maharaj in his discourses has emphasized the importance of this topic. Based on Swamiji's discourses:1. Pls. read Sadhak Sanjivani (Hindi or English, the explanation of Gitaji Verse (12-8)2. Recognize and accept fully that the major obstacles are in accepting "I am only God's and Only God is Mine" are:- Bhoga (desire for enjoyment) and Sangrah (greed for accumulation). - Our attachment to body, relationships and the world, - Desiring sukha (happiness) from the relationships and the world 3. Utilize all what we have for service of the world only4. Firmly accept and continuously practice Swamiji Maharaj's Panch-Amritas (5 Nectars):- We are God's only - Wherever we live, are living in HIs Darbar (court) only- Whatever good actions we do they are His actions only - Whatever pure ans auspicious we get are His Prasad (due to His blessings) only- With the gift of His Prasad, we serve His subjects only5. Accept that we cannot achieve our Goal on our own; pray to God to grant His love to us. 6. The deep desire for love of God, we stay restless till we achieve HIs love7. Generally we do two things, 1) Think, 2). See - When thinking - Think of Bhagvan's Vibhuties (Glories, Chapter 10)- When seeing - Visualize Vishava Roopa (His Cosmic Form) everywhere (Chapter 11) || Ram Ram ||

Humble regards,Madan Kaura------ 1. Trust what has been told to you. And Just Surrender!...2. Next, have patience without any doubt......3. park your all questions somewhere....including "i am Gods....."4. Don't think about acceptance or non-acceptance....5. Keep knowing more about wisdom of life / spiritually.....you Self It is simple but our mind makes it very complicated.....Let the mind rest....you will get there....where the questions dissolve.....the state of oneness....

Sushil Jain -----------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Swamiji has made very profound statement which comes from his own experiential understanding of himself, Self, and God. Only then one can make such a statement as "I am God's and only God is mine"! Acceptance of this truth is not a theory, but it could be provisional acceptance in the beginning with tremendous Trust and relentless pursuit through sadhana. This will result in flash like glimpses of our own true nature, and the meaning of Self and God being the same as I am. This is what is spoken of in BG ch 2 at length. Acceptance by Self means we need to know that we are Self-Atman-Pure Being only, but have forgotten due to ignorance(identification with body-mind) creating a false sense of "me". There is only Self, and thus acceptance is by Self only; "me' is never going to accept it as it spells death to it. Acceptance "I am God's, and only God is mine" as often as we remind ourselves, helps us regain our lost memory of always being God-realized-Self.Namaskar.........Pratap Bhatt--Jai Shree Krishna Pawanji has asked a very good Q. Such Qs give momentum to Satsanga. Basically no efforts are needed in acceptance advocated by Swamiji. It is a KARAN NIRAPEKSHA SADHAN- sans mind/ego/intellect/body/inert. It is made by SELF. But in practical terms I would still say : First ponder over DOOSARO NA KOI. Is there any one of you? If you , by the help of intellect/mind able to fully understand that there is no one of yours , in other words, if you are firm in negating the importance of world from deep within ....the acceptance of Paramatma as yours will be automatic! Difficulty is not in Accepting " Only God is mine, I am of the God"...difficulty is in negating.. Doosaro Na koi. Hence , in my humble view, first concentrate on removing the importance of inert, worldly pleasures from your psyche. Think ! Read Swamiji's books...and ascertain even by application of inert mind... whether world is yours? Once DOOSARO NA KOI is clear to you, it will be very easy for you to accept "Mere to Girdhar Gopal" . You see to say MERE TO GIRDHAR GOPAL is easy, but not to deviate from it is rather challenging. Hence stay tuned to deliberations on this thread. We are fortunate to be having among us some very knowledgeable students of Swamiji's teachings ....they all will help you in this. Swami Rupesh Kumar

 

Ram Ram,

Although I am trying to explain you as per my understanding, I am not sure whether I will be able to succeed or not.

As per Swamiji's quotation from Gita, and he also emphasized many times that whatever you are seeing which is not existing at any moment, is not going to be there for all the moment. Also there is a continuous extinction of this world which we are seeing, but our understaning ( or in other words, the power of understanding) is not getting extincted. This knowingness is trivial to everyone, and this itself has to be worked upon.

Nasato Vidhyatey Bhavo, Nabhavo Vidhyatey Sataha (there is continuous extinction of this world, and what you are in never getting extincted, truth always remains).

"Nahi so sundar hai sada, hai so sundar nahi,nahi ko parkat dekhiye, hai so deekhat nahi"

You this theory has to be practiced that whatever is getting finished or extincted, was never there and will never be there and so one should not waste anymore time working upon it.

In a nutshell, whatever has ever extincted was never there and no one can even claim his propritership on it. And this understanding or knowingness is always there. This primary belief has to be strengthened and only then you can claim for learning the path of reaching to God.

Jai Siya Ram!!!

- Kuldeep Chaturvedi

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Those who accept "I am only God's and only God is mine" are very advanced personalities and rare. As I am far from reaching this goal, it is difficult to comment this.

"I am Rams" means following:- I would be in samta in all material circumstances because I am not this matter and then, why worry about it. cinta deen dayal ko man sada ananda - Ram has all our worries and I am always happy.- Praise or dishonor does not matter. I am Ram's and ultimately, Ram's views matter. If I did something wrong which will make Ram unhappy, then I should accept it and fix it. Otherwise, other people's views don't matter.- Diseases, bodily comfort and pleause don't matter. The body in which I live belongs to Ram. I am supposed to take good care of it. Ultimately, it is Ram and I should be in samta. - I am supposed to take care of family but ultimately they are Ram's and Ram is supposed to take care of their welfare. I get worried about family if they get late etc. Why should I worry if Ram is taking care of them? I should do my best and then, leave it on Ram.- I should do my karma as service to Ram and then, leave everything to Ram.

Few ways to increaes our acceptance of this:

- When I do jap, I repeat with the feeling that I am Ram's, Swamiji quotes Tulsidas quite often in naam jap - hohi ram ka japu. Tulsidas says that "Ram ka ho kar jap kar na chahiye". I keep on saying during jap - "Ram, I am Yours". This is very powerful.- When I reach office, I play if possible Swamiji's bhajan (meh to hamare ramji ka.....). It is 4-5 mins bhajan and it sets my mood before working. At work, it is easier to get agitaged. So, it is helpful to start work with it.- At night, look at whole day, Did I accept that I am Ram's? Was I agitaged by dishonor? Was I agitated by material loss or money? Did I do my job properly as service to Ram? and so on.

Gaurav Mittal

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Dear Sadak Pawan,Just get audio and video material on saints, puranas, and scripts. Say for instance: One can get Bagavat, Geetha, Video on Gnaneswar, Sant Sakubai, Sant Tukaram etc. Concentrate on the leelas of Bagavan, slowly you will start loving HIM and slowly HE (God) enters in you and rest leave it to HIM and relax. your heart will be filled with Bakthi and you will loose attachment even on family members. I did this since 12 years and I have large library on almost all puranas and saints. The library is so vast if one listens daily 4 hours he can be in divine touch within 5 years.B.Sathyanarayan

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Shri HariRam RamHow I can accept I am God's and only God is mine ? Acceptance theory of God realisation of Swami Ramsukhdass ji maharaj is very important, I know this but I am not accepting "I am only God's and only God is Mine." If I had accepted "I am only God's and only God is mine", then I would have realised God.

What should I do to accept I am God's and only God is mine? It is only when the Acceptance is by the Self that "I am only God's and only God is mine" that leads to God realisation.

Guide me what efforts i should do for acceptance of "I am only God's and only God is mine."

Thanks & RegardsRam RamPawan Kumar Singhal

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Dear Mr. Singhai,To the best of my knowledge, Bhagwad-Geeta does not say that I am God's; howeverit says that you are God - same as Krishna. Aham Atma Gudakesh Sarva BhutashayaSthitah Verse 20 Chapter 10. All that we have to do is to surrender our Ego atthe feet of Krishna Bhagwan by saying that 'Shishyas teham, shadi mam twamprapannam 7/2. Progressively, we will feel the presence of Shree Krishna in ourheart. Steps are outlined in verse 23 Chapter 13 which read as'Upadrashta,anumanta cha, Bharta,Bhokta,Maheshwarah,Paramatma iti cha api uktah,Dehesmin Purushah Parah. These progressive steps can be taken as a discipline ofAdhi Yagna oulined in Chapter 8 verse 4 'Adhiyagnah ahamevatra,dehe DehbhrutamVara.When we are God in Essence which can be manifested by the above steps and also by detailed guidance as given in various Chapters of Bhagvad-Geeta, there is no question of God is mine (per my understanding). Jayantilal Shah

Shree Hari Ram Ram

J. Shahji - You say - Bhagwad-Geeta does not say that I am God's, then please explain your understanding of -

"Mamaivaamso jivaloke jeevabhootah sanaatanah" (Gita 15:7). "In this world, the Self (Atma) becomes an embodied Soul (jeev), though being a part (fragment) of My Eternal Self (Paramatma, Supreme Consciousness)." MAMA EVA = IS MINE ONLY ; ANSH = (FRAGMENT / PART / RAY OF CONSCIOUSNESS)

How is this any different from "I am only God's and only God is mine" ? Ram Ram

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Priy Pawam ji

I can feel what U want to say. Its not only with U. Every body has this prob. Even todays so called saints & gurus do have it.

I like one thing that u said saying again & again one day it will accept. Thats true but u had the courage to tell it on this forum.

Thanx

raja gurdasani

 

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Read details of the slogan 'Aham Brhamasmi " I am brahma. that I am as good as God.But its power capacity is limited for us.We can be as good as almighty God if we do penacia like rushis in the deep forest.If we consult our inner self,we can be successful.When we reach higher consciousness,we can reply in view of our inner power known as intution which directs us to a right path.When we have this power of intution,we can know other's mindsThis is my experience.

My best wishes to all who reads this email

 

Truly yours

 

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

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There are TWO suppositions here---one is correct and the other one is not.

 

I am God's is fine. God is mine is also OK, but God is only mine is wrong.

 

Since Everyone says that and therefore. Everyone is God's and God is in Everyone of us.

Durgesh Mankikar,MD

 

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I happened to hear lecture by Swamiji today which explains this topic very nicely. Lecture is 1991oct04_1630hrs.

http://www.swamiramsukhdasji.org/swamijicontent/ and select date range and the specific date and time.

I will request sadhaks to hear this lecture to increase the understanding that we are Ram's and Ram is only ours. Gaurav Mittla------------------------------

Jai Hanuman

It will not be an exaggeration to state that creation is all a matter of "acceptance" ! Acceptance(Rejection) is therefore key not only in spiritual matters but in every other matter ! This "acceptance" has to be rightly placed. The power of acceptance is the ONLY power which Jeeva has got, fundamentally at SELF level. (Sadhaks may seriously ponder over this) . It is always effortless and requires no help of body, mind, intellect etc. Self has only this capacity. Rest everything is in the regime of Prakruti ! This power/ability of acceptance is stated in scriptures as faith/devotion/trust/belief , etc !

When you make a wrong acceptance, the remedy lies in rejection of that acceptance ! That is called "tyaag" (Renunciation). That gives you instant peace (Gita 12/12) ! Tyaag - is always of "other"- as a Law ! (You can't renounce what is yours - Can the Sun reject light out of it ?). But then the other was never yours ab-initio ! It is not yours! It will not be yours! It is not possible for "other" to be yours ! But it still appears to be yours !! You are still bound by it ? WHY ? Because of "acceptance" placed wrongly. You have "accepted" ... Doosara (other) to be me and mine !!

Hence key is "acceptance" ! You have to address this "acceptance", if placed wrongly !! Remedy- TYAAG ! Accept - Doosara Na Koi !! That in fact is real TYAAG !!!

Namaste Jee

Jee JeeShashikala

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"Acceptance" referred is effortless because you are already God's and in reality only God is yours. Problem is that it is not "exclusive" from your side ! We are not able to eliminate dependence/desire of "doosara" (other; prakruti; Jagat -mind/intellect/ego/body). So long as that "doosara" is not renounced; exclusive relationship with God can not be said to have firmly "established" from Jeeva's side.Hence: ONLY God is mine ! Hence: DOOSARO NA KOI !

From God's side the relationship is ever established- as one sadhak stated, God has no ability to "disconnect" with Jeeva ! Similarly, whatever efforts Jeeva may make, you have no ability to "connect" with Jagat. In fact, you are ever "disconnected" with Jagat and ever "connected" with Jagdish.

"Connection" is established necessarily by accepting "me" and "mineness" with some one.

The problem lies in "wrong acceptance/assumption"(Me/mine) at present- whereby you have assumed ASAT to be "me/mine" - by "bhavas" (SELF):-

1 you have "assumed" at present disconnection with Jagdish

( if you have not assumed at present disconnection with Jagdish, why did you raise the Q ? Why do you want to connect yourself with Him? Why this desire to connect with Him has arisen? )

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2 you have "assumed" connection with Jagat.

(Otherwise why you are eager to disconnect yourself with it? Why do you want to change? Why do you want to establish mineness with Paramatma? )

Hence "Sat" has been not accepted and "Asat" has been accepted. Thus you have made wrong acceptance.

It is a law that any acceptance previously made ( Here-Connection with Asat) can be cancelled/left/negated/renounced ONLY by making a reverse/opposite acceptance (Here- disconnection with Asat) . What is that reverse acceptance now you should make ? DOOSARO NA KOI !!

That a "desire" has arisen in you to make "correct assumption" - your desire is "auspicious" (Subhecchha) and has become SATSANGA- and is not thus a worldly desire ! Keep this desire (Abhilaasha) burning in you. Come back with practical challenges you face in the process. As Rajaji Gurdasani told: State where you feel difficulties in above ! What is so difficult in renouncing that with which you are ever "disconnected" ACTUALLY, and your connection with it is merely "assumed" ? Can you remain connected with Jagat ? If no, what is difficult in rejecting your connection (me/mineness) with it?

Simply accept the opposite - Doosaro Na Koi !! When you negate the wrong assumption; correct assumption is automatically/effortlessly made ! When you do not tell a lie, truth automatically gets uttered ! What efforts are entailed in speaking truth ?

Real acceptance is invisible. It is natural. It ceases to be different than you. It becomes part of you as "kaajal" becomes part of eyes! It is remembered without remembering. It is effortless. No "insistence" or "doership" is needed. It has no aid of inert- mind etc . It is "SELF made" ! It is truthful. It is SAHAJ ! It is SAT !!

Hence do - SATSANGA !! Why Satsanga? So that your acceptance remains firm ! Jeeva tends to get drawn/attracted towards Prakruti (BG 15:7/ 2:60) . However, if your desire is focussed, even God will help in stregthening your "acceptance"(7:21) !

Hence do Associate yourself with Truth; with SAT; with Paramatma- MERE TO GIRDHAR GOPAL by the path of "reverse acceptance" viz

DOOSARO NA KOI !!

Jai Shree Krishna

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Dear sadhakas,Hare krishna.

This is in response to a question from a sadhaka.

.. Lord Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita,

"Mamaivamso jiva loke,Jiva bhutah sanatanah. " ( Gita 15,7)

Which means" The living entities in this material world are My eternal fragmental parts. "

As the fragmental parts of the lord, the living entities have fragmental portions of His qualities. Independence is one such quality. If we misuse our independence, we become coditioned souls. If we use indepenence in right way ( devotional service), we become liberated.

Lord Krishna says in Gita,

"Yo mam pasyati sarvatra,Sarvam ca mayi pasyati,Tasyaham na pranasyami,Sa ca me na pranasyati. " Gita 6, 30)

Which means,

"For one who sees Me everywhere and sees everything in Me, I am never lost to him and he is never lost to Me. "

Krishna consciousness is the process of developing love for Krishna. Once we are in the loving, devotional service of Him, Lord Krishna always stays in our sight. Lord Krishna is also known as ' Bhakta Sulabha' which means it is easy to reach Him. Lord is easily accessible to his devotees. We are all His and He is all ours, once we are in deep devotional service.Sankirtana yagna or chanting of the Holy Name of the Lord is practical for this age.

Thank you,

Hare Krishna.

Prasad.A.Iragavarapu, M.D

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Sadak Pawan says, "First I have to try to accept DUSRO NA KOI (There is None Other / No One else is Mine)".

There are many child saints, woman saints and family saints. If you come to know there history you will know that DUSRO goes away automatically by Bakthi. Sri Krishna in Geetha mentions about Bakthi Marg. Only in Bakthi Marg chapter HE says "Name Baktha". Not for sanyasin or yogi. In Bakthi Marg you will automatically get released from thoughts of DUSRO. It happens- One cannot eliminate by his sadana. Just think of any saint, even Sant Meera. She said DUSRO when? Only when she reached the heights of Bakthi. Mostly all saints had love towards God from childhood. As they grew the passion for Bakthi it increased and people around them caused sufferings, but they were stead fast in Bakthi.One Example: Baktha Gora- Stamped his child in mud by accident. His wife became furious to throw away Vittal idol from home. Gora took axe to kill her. Imagine Gora son` s body was there, and Gora wanted to kill his wife because she insulted Vittal Moorthy. If I was there, I will remain silent for all the abuses and would have remained still if Vittal was to be broken (Thinking that It is after all Idol- God Omnipresent, God is all pervasive Etc as many sadaks say, let her do what she wants). There is vedio on Gora- see it and feel the deapth of Bakthi what Bagavan mentions in Geetha (Ananiya Chithayayome). Atleast desire to follow Gora foot steps- Bakthi comes by itself Jai Sri KrishnaBaiya Sathyanarayan Shree Hari Ram Ram

Satyanarayanji your statement "even Sant Meera, she said DUSRO when? Only when she reached the heights of Bakthi." Is this your understanding, or have you read this somewhere? As we understand, the acceptance of "dosero na koyi" was immediate, from day 1, with Sant Mirabai, just like a newly pronounced girl accepts her groom only as her husband immediately, and no one else as her husband.

From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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Question anything that poses as "You" or as "God" ... question anything thatclaims a relation with "You" or with "God" ... question the very identity ...question the very ownership …

How to "accept" by Self? How to realize that I am only God's and Only God isMine?

By realizing how I can never establish with whatsoever means that anything couldbelong to me or I could belong to anything else ... and, by realizing how I amnot whatever I think I am and how whatever that may claim to be me is not me ...till the Mine-ness as well as I-ness vanish completely in our presence ...

By realizing how anything that we can think of (as well as anything we can notthink of) IS NOT The God ... by appreciating at the same time how The God ISanything that we can think of and we can't even think of ... till the His-nessand He-ness is established all around as well as within ...

.... as the I-ness mitigates ... and as He-ness is revealed in everythingincluding the erstwhile "I" ...

.... as the Mine-ness mitigates ... and as His-ness occupies everything includingthe erstwhile "I" ...

.... when there is no "I" ... when there is no "you" ... when there is no "any"... And, when there is only He ...

.... what is Mine? ... and, what is His? ...

.... All is That and That is All ...

.... I am That and That is Me ...

.... I am All and All is Me ...

.... Sarvam khalu idam Brahma ...

.... Aham Brahmaasmi ...

.... Vaasudevah sarvam ...

To start the quest from within ... to sustain the quest … to quench the questwithin … am I not His? Is He not Mine? ... Yes! I am! ... Yes!! He is!! … whenI am His and He is Mine, who am I and who is He? … am I not He and is He not Me?... When there is ONE as anything and everything, where is the identity andwhere can be the ownership? ...

Relish the very quest "Who is who and who is whose?" as it raises ... as itgrows ... as it dies ... experience the raise, the growth as well as the deathabsolutely as they are and as you are ...

Respects.

Naga Narayana

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Nothing can one's mind accept unless one is convinced. Just go on testing the hypothesis that ' God is mine and I am God's" with your life experience of events, actions, results, etc.. Try to disprove this with as many instances as possible. The day when you fail to disprove the hypothesis, you will start trying to prove the hypothesis. God willing one day you will realize the Truth and able to prove it to yourself. There is no short cut, no uniqwue method. You have to rely on your on method of continuous teasting of the hypothesis. Basudeb Sen---- Shri HariRam RamMr.Raja Gurdasani replied and advising me to elaborate what exactly is stopping me from accepting God.Unfavourable circumstances disturb my mind which I know to tolerate (Gita 2.14) but not accepting these are temporary (Gita 2.16).Excuse me I am helpless.I know,I say but not accepting by self ( as described in prayer written by Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj Ji)I am praying Hey Nath Me AAP KA HU.By the grace of God it will happen one day that I will accept by self that I am Only God's and only God is mine.Thanks & RegardsPawan Kumar Singhal -------------------------------- God realisation is not easy. Ultimately it is our own effort. For this one must prepare oneselfthrough sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation. A guru I know meditatedfor 5 long years. He was attracted towards spirituality and left homeand hearth to serve a guru and remained a brahamchari. Therefore thereis no quick fix and God will come to you only when you are ready forHim.Hari Shanker Deo Shree Hari Ram Ram Hari Shanker Deoji, How much tapas, sadhna, meditation, satsang was needed for a girl to accept the groom has her husband? Was there any doubt in her mind? Thereafter, did she ever wake up in the morning thinking she is still single? Did she go back and forth, running to her parents house thinking she is still single? Did she do more sadhna and tapas to remind herself that she is married to return to her husband? sincerely think about this... even acceptance of someone as Guru... how much sadhna and tapas etc does it take? From Gita Talk moderators, Ram Ram -----Shree Hari. Namaste,

......Its reality is only in and through and from Brahman , from THE reality,the only reality manifested in all these different forms. The forms keep comingand going and changing, the one reality the one WORD , the one truth ismanifests in all theses forms........ but you cannot get this insight as long as you remain on the merelyrational level. The rational logical is created to divide, to analyze, to breakthings up......Today in science they say the universe is a field of energy working atdifferent frequencies, and we are all part of this field of energies....... [Ex.From 'On retreat with Bede Griffiths'].

This was my thought platform that was triggered in my heart, before I read it,can you imagine how astounded I was when I started to contemplate the BhagavadGita, regarding the extract above can you see how real Gitaji is?Bhagavad Gita : 10-88. I am the source of all; from me everything evolves; understanding thus, thewise, endowed with meditation, worship me.Bhagavad Gita : 11-1818.You are the Imperishable, the Supreme Being, worthy of being known; you arethe great treasure-house of this universe; you are the imperishable protector ofthe eternal Dharma; you are the ancient Person, I deem.

Pawanji, You said: "Guide me what efforts i should do for acceptance of "I amonly God's and only God is mine."

You are inseparable from Bhagwan , so how can you be anything but GODS, and GOD is the eternal constant, thus; and only GOD is yours, no effort, just look into your soul Accept, nothing will destroy that acceptance, impossible!

With Respect and Divine Love,

Mike Keenor

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Priy Pawan JI

One thing is sure U dont have other option except accepting God.Second What is the problem in accepting the Truth?Please elaborate what exactly is stopping you from accepting?ThanxRaja Gurdasani ----Shri HariRam RamI am thankful to all of you which are showing way towards God realisation especially Gita-talk . THANK YOU! Comments by Sh.Sushil Jain, Swami rupesh kumar & Sh.B.Sathyanarayan and other have particularly been remarkable for me personally in increasing my deep desire for love of God. As I now understand - First I have to try to accept DUSRO NA KOI (There is None Other / No One else is Mine). Thanks & RegardsPawan Kumar Singhal----jay ho...... Rajneesh Gupta-----PRIOR POSTING

Shree Hari:Ram Ram. if you could read and believe in lines 13 - 14 on page 193 of the book Maanavamaatrake Kalyaanake Liye by Swamiji in Hindi.Vineet,Sarvottam. Lines 13-14"Bhagwaan mein bhi taakat nahin ki wah humaaraa sambandh tod de. Wah sarvasamarth hote hua bhi, hame chhodne mein asamarth hai." "Even Bhagwaan does not have the strength to break off our relation with Him. Inspite of being Almighty, He is incapable of leaving us." -----------NARAYAN ,NARAYAN, In English Body, senses, mind, intellect all in all belong to Paramatma, only by considering them to be ours we are trapped in bondage. You consider the mind entirely Bhagwaan's, then the modifications of the mind will not touch you. The happiness and sorrow arising in the mind, will not touch you. When everything is only Paramatma (God), and nothing at all is yours, then you have nothing to give and take from anyone. Do not consider the mind to be your own. Do not consider the intellect to be your own, do not consider the ego to be your own. This work either you can do right NOW, or you can do after years, or after life times. By considering and accepting all of these to be belonging to yourself, it the cause of birth and death. Do not consider these are yours - then there is no bondage. See Gita 7/7. If you want your salvation and betterment, then accept that which is the Truth - that everything is ONLY BHAGWAAN's. Try to inquire and get to know the Truth. This will not only improve your spiritual life, but also your worldly relations. Whether you accept today, or after many lifetimes, the Truth will be known, will be realized, it is inevitable. It is a rule. Read Gita 6/44. If you are unable to comprehend this message, then understand that it is the limitation of our understanding. There is no limitations in the Truth, the Essential Element (tattva). Everything is a manifestation of God. Ramchandra SHARIR, INDRIYA, MAN, BUDHI, SAB KE SAB PARMATMA KE HEIN INKO APNA MAN KAR HI HUM BANDHAN ME PADE HEIN.AAP MAN KO SHARVTHA BHAGVAN KA MAN LO THO MAN KE VIKAR AAPKO NAHI LAGEGE.MAN KE SUKH -DUKH APKO NAHI LAGEGE.JAB SAB KUCH PARMATMA HI HEIN APKA KUCH HEIN HI NAHI PHIR APKO KISI SE KYA LENA DENA.MAN KO APNA MAT MANO, BUDHI KO APNA MAT MANO,AHNKAR KO APNA MAT MANO. YE KAM CHAHE AAJ ABHI KARO CHAE VARSHO BAD YA JANMO BAD IN SAB KO APNA MAN NE SE JANAM -MARAN HOTE HEIN.UNKO APNA MAT MANOTHO KOI BANDHAN NAHI HEIN. DEKHE[ GITA=7/ 7]AGAR AAP UDHAR KARNA CHAHTE HO THO SACHI BAT KO SWIKAR KARLOKI SAB KUCH BHAGWAN KA HEIN.SACHI BAT KO KATNE KI BAJAY JANNE KI CHESTA KARO. APKA VAIVHAR THIK HOJAYEGA OUR PARMARTH BHI THIK HOJAYEGA. CHAHE AAP AAJ MANO CHAHEVARSHO BAD MANO. SACHI BAT ANUBHAV MEIN AAYEGI YE NIYAM HEIN.DEKHO-GITA-[6/44]AGAR YE BAT HAMARI SAMAZ MEIN NAHI AATI HE THO SAMZO HAMARI SAMAZ MEKAMI HEIN.TATAV ME KAMI NAHI HEIN.[sAB JAG ISHWAR ROOP HEIN] [RAMCHANDRA] Dear Sadhak, JUST ACCEPT--no efforts of any kinds needed in this.The closest example is of a mother-son. Does a mother need any effort to accept her son ?Only God is mine--just accept for once and alll...The problem is we say God is mine but we hesitate to say"ONLY God is mine". The minute we accept exclusive mineness with God, miracle happen. with Love,a sadhikaSadhna Karigar-Shree Hari|| Ram Ram ||Dear Pawan Kumarji, thanks for bringing up a very important question!Swamiji Maharaj in his discourses has emphasized the importance of this topic. Based on Swamiji's discourses:1. Pls. read Sadhak Sanjivani (Hindi or English, the explanation of Gitaji Verse (12-8)2. Recognize and accept fully that the major obstacles are in accepting "I am only God's and Only God is Mine" are:- Bhoga (desire for enjoyment) and Sangrah (greed for accumulation). - Our attachment to body, relationships and the world, - Desiring sukha (happiness) from the relationships and the world 3. Utilize all what we have for service of the world only4. Firmly accept and continuously practice Swamiji Maharaj's Panch-Amritas (5 Nectars):- We are God's only - Wherever we live, are living in HIs Darbar (court) only- Whatever good actions we do they are His actions only - Whatever pure ans auspicious we get are His Prasad (due to His blessings) only- With the gift of His Prasad, we serve His subjects only5. Accept that we cannot achieve our Goal on our own; pray to God to grant His love to us. 6. The deep desire for love of God, we stay restless till we achieve HIs love7. Generally we do two things, 1) Think, 2). See - When thinking - Think of Bhagvan's Vibhuties (Glories, Chapter 10)- When seeing - Visualize Vishava Roopa (His Cosmic Form) everywhere (Chapter 11) || Ram Ram ||

Humble regards,Madan Kaura------ 1. Trust what has been told to you. And Just Surrender!...2. Next, have patience without any doubt......3. park your all questions somewhere....including "i am Gods....."4. Don't think about acceptance or non-acceptance....5. Keep knowing more about wisdom of life / spiritually.....you Self It is simple but our mind makes it very complicated.....Let the mind rest....you will get there....where the questions dissolve.....the state of oneness....

Sushil Jain -----------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Swamiji has made very profound statement which comes from his own experiential understanding of himself, Self, and God. Only then one can make such a statement as "I am God's and only God is mine"! Acceptance of this truth is not a theory, but it could be provisional acceptance in the beginning with tremendous Trust and relentless pursuit through sadhana. This will result in flash like glimpses of our own true nature, and the meaning of Self and God being the same as I am. This is what is spoken of in BG ch 2 at length. Acceptance by Self means we need to know that we are Self-Atman-Pure Being only, but have forgotten due to ignorance(identification with body-mind) creating a false sense of "me". There is only Self, and thus acceptance is by Self only; "me' is never going to accept it as it spells death to it. Acceptance "I am God's, and only God is mine" as often as we remind ourselves, helps us regain our lost memory of always being God-realized-Self.Namaskar.........Pratap Bhatt--Jai Shree Krishna Pawanji has asked a very good Q. Such Qs give momentum to Satsanga. Basically no efforts are needed in acceptance advocated by Swamiji. It is a KARAN NIRAPEKSHA SADHAN- sans mind/ego/intellect/body/inert. It is made by SELF. But in practical terms I would still say : First ponder over DOOSARO NA KOI. Is there any one of you? If you , by the help of intellect/mind able to fully understand that there is no one of yours , in other words, if you are firm in negating the importance of world from deep within ....the acceptance of Paramatma as yours will be automatic! Difficulty is not in Accepting " Only God is mine, I am of the God"...difficulty is in negating.. Doosaro Na koi. Hence , in my humble view, first concentrate on removing the importance of inert, worldly pleasures from your psyche. Think ! Read Swamiji's books...and ascertain even by application of inert mind... whether world is yours? Once DOOSARO NA KOI is clear to you, it will be very easy for you to accept "Mere to Girdhar Gopal" . You see to say MERE TO GIRDHAR GOPAL is easy, but not to deviate from it is rather challenging. Hence stay tuned to deliberations on this thread. We are fortunate to be having among us some very knowledgeable students of Swamiji's teachings ....they all will help you in this. Swami Rupesh Kumar

 

Ram Ram,

Although I am trying to explain you as per my understanding, I am not sure whether I will be able to succeed or not.

As per Swamiji's quotation from Gita, and he also emphasized many times that whatever you are seeing which is not existing at any moment, is not going to be there for all the moment. Also there is a continuous extinction of this world which we are seeing, but our understaning ( or in other words, the power of understanding) is not getting extincted. This knowingness is trivial to everyone, and this itself has to be worked upon.

Nasato Vidhyatey Bhavo, Nabhavo Vidhyatey Sataha (there is continuous extinction of this world, and what you are in never getting extincted, truth always remains).

"Nahi so sundar hai sada, hai so sundar nahi,nahi ko parkat dekhiye, hai so deekhat nahi"

You this theory has to be practiced that whatever is getting finished or extincted, was never there and will never be there and so one should not waste anymore time working upon it.

In a nutshell, whatever has ever extincted was never there and no one can even claim his propritership on it. And this understanding or knowingness is always there. This primary belief has to be strengthened and only then you can claim for learning the path of reaching to God.

Jai Siya Ram!!!

- Kuldeep Chaturvedi

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Those who accept "I am only God's and only God is mine" are very advanced personalities and rare. As I am far from reaching this goal, it is difficult to comment this.

"I am Rams" means following:- I would be in samta in all material circumstances because I am not this matter and then, why worry about it. cinta deen dayal ko man sada ananda - Ram has all our worries and I am always happy.- Praise or dishonor does not matter. I am Ram's and ultimately, Ram's views matter. If I did something wrong which will make Ram unhappy, then I should accept it and fix it. Otherwise, other people's views don't matter.- Diseases, bodily comfort and pleause don't matter. The body in which I live belongs to Ram. I am supposed to take good care of it. Ultimately, it is Ram and I should be in samta. - I am supposed to take care of family but ultimately they are Ram's and Ram is supposed to take care of their welfare. I get worried about family if they get late etc. Why should I worry if Ram is taking care of them? I should do my best and then, leave it on Ram.- I should do my karma as service to Ram and then, leave everything to Ram.

Few ways to increaes our acceptance of this:

- When I do jap, I repeat with the feeling that I am Ram's, Swamiji quotes Tulsidas quite often in naam jap - hohi ram ka japu. Tulsidas says that "Ram ka ho kar jap kar na chahiye". I keep on saying during jap - "Ram, I am Yours". This is very powerful.- When I reach office, I play if possible Swamiji's bhajan (meh to hamare ramji ka.....). It is 4-5 mins bhajan and it sets my mood before working. At work, it is easier to get agitaged. So, it is helpful to start work with it.- At night, look at whole day, Did I accept that I am Ram's? Was I agitaged by dishonor? Was I agitated by material loss or money? Did I do my job properly as service to Ram? and so on.

Gaurav Mittal

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Dear Sadak Pawan,Just get audio and video material on saints, puranas, and scripts. Say for instance: One can get Bagavat, Geetha, Video on Gnaneswar, Sant Sakubai, Sant Tukaram etc. Concentrate on the leelas of Bagavan, slowly you will start loving HIM and slowly HE (God) enters in you and rest leave it to HIM and relax. your heart will be filled with Bakthi and you will loose attachment even on family members. I did this since 12 years and I have large library on almost all puranas and saints. The library is so vast if one listens daily 4 hours he can be in divine touch within 5 years.B.Sathyanarayan

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Shri HariRam RamHow I can accept I am God's and only God is mine ? Acceptance theory of God realisation of Swami Ramsukhdass ji maharaj is very important, I know this but I am not accepting "I am only God's and only God is Mine." If I had accepted "I am only God's and only God is mine", then I would have realised God.

What should I do to accept I am God's and only God is mine? It is only when the Acceptance is by the Self that "I am only God's and only God is mine" that leads to God realisation.

Guide me what efforts i should do for acceptance of "I am only God's and only God is mine."

Thanks & RegardsRam RamPawan Kumar Singhal

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Hari OmIt is so nice to read so many good responses from different sadhaks. The message of Mr Naga Narain is meaningful, crisp and focussed. It is worth carrying forward. Indeed, a sadhak should strive to change "me" and "mine" which basically constitute "ego" ! Address any one of "me" or "mine" ( Ahanta or mamata) !"Me" - who is this I ? Not the name, not the occupation, not the body, not any organ of body, not the mind or intellect ! What is this "I" ? "I" is "self" ! What is this "self" made of? Who is this "self"/soul/ Atma? BG 15:7 - Exclusive Ray of Paramatma ! Hence "Me" is Paramatma ! Hence "I" is Paramatma !!A Jnana Yogi eliminates totally every other "me" and places "Self" as real ME !! AHAM BRAHMASMI !!How to realise/experience that "me" is now "God" ? Find out what the God is made of; what attributes He has ! Adopt them .... logical ?? Yes ! No doubt on that. What is that most common and advocated attribute of Scriptures which belongs to Paramatma ? Unanimously ---- SAMATA (Equanimity) ---- BG 2:48/9:29/13:27 etc. Hence "Equanimity" is the junction.That is how a Jnana Yogi lives what Mr Naga has stated.A Jnana Yogi ignores "mine" totally , believing world to be a part of "Nature" and believing him "self" to be beyond the same. He concentrates only on "Me" !A Bhakta first addresses "mine" instead of "me" !! He does not "eliminate" the ego completely, he "changes" the ego and simultaneously/ later on through "mine" reaches / addresses "me" ! He thus addresses both "me" and "mine" ! Hence, for him - result is VASUDEV SARVAM. A Karma Yogi only deals with "mine" and makes no efforts to reach "me" ! He "purifies" ego and removes impurities out of it . For him the "me" is "yagya shesh" (remnant of Duty/ Yoga ) ! He keeps on severing relations with world by "expectationless service"! In the end "pure self" remains behind.Thus a Jnana Yogi deals exclusively with "me", Karma Yogi exclusively with "mine" - both concentrate on "disconnection" with Jagat. Bhakta deals with both.Coming to the observation of Vasudev Sathyanarainji,a Bhakta, indeed, focuses on "connection with God" ( As Sathyanarainji stated) !! As a principle, you are on right path on both ways- either disconnect with Jagat or connect with Jagdish . Either "connect" with Him (Mere to Girdhar Gopal) or "disconnect from inert" (Doosaro na koi) !! But in practice, "nishedhatmak sadhan" ( prohibitory striving, negation, NETI, NETI ) is very fast and very productive.Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B

 

 

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Dear Sadhak,

 

JUST ACCEPT--no efforts of any kinds needed in this.

The closest example is of a mother-son. Does a mother need any effort to accept her son ?

Only God is mine--just accept for once and alll...The problem is we say God is mine but we hesitate to say"ONLY God is mine". The minute we accept exclusive mineness with God, miracle happen.

 

with Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

 

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Shree Hari:

Ram Ram.

Swamiji said,"Don't consider that yours which you want to offer (arapan) to God." {vide his discourse on 11. 11. 2003 morning 5:00}. So the easiest and surest way is : I am not even 'mine'. That's all. This was his message to me, answer to my Question,"Bhagawaan ko arpan keise karen?". It worked wonder.

Vineet,

Sarvottam

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I write this with due Humility and with my limited Anubhuti. Coming from JainTradition where concept of God is absent but not denied, it created a strongconfusion in my mind for a long period. When During my college life I decided tolive an ethical life due to inspiration from Swami Vivekanand and Gandhiji,toomany problems arouse for which I soon reached a point of no-return -period wentfor few years - I started getting distinct divine help from unknown corners andthis being true,there was no alternative but to work on living faith in God.Verse you have pointed out was known to me; I interpreted this in my own waythat God within is the same in quality as the Cosmic Energy/Intelligent InfiniteConsiousness but unable to merge with that Infinity because it is bound byAvidya/Ego.When I saw many Bhakti Margi Sidhha Yogis in Gujerat drawing from that InfiniteReservoir,I came to the conclusion that as God within and without are same inquality but different in quantity,this energy of Paramatma can be harnessed bydoing the internal work of dissolving Ego.Ansha is complete in all respect asSarvansh and also got some confirmation from Isha Upanishad: Purnam Adah,PurnamIdam.Once again I wish to point out that what is stated is from my subjectiveexperience in the sprit of Sharing than discussing.Hence it never struck me to interpret Mama Eva Ansha as my part; it alwaysbecame I am the part of the whole. With Gratitude,Jayantilal Shah

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Namaste to Respectful Gita Talk Moderators,

This is what you posted: Satyanarayanji your statement "even Sant Meera, she said DUSRO when? Only when she reached the heights of Bakthi." Is this your understanding, or have you read this somewhere? As we understand, the acceptance of "dosero na koyi" was immediate, from day 1, with Sant Mirabai, just like a newly pronounced girl accepts her groom only as her husband immediately, and no one else as her husband.

Sant Meera at very young age she met a Guru who gave her Upadesh. She started her love for Bagavan from that tender age. Only as she grew her love for Bagavan grew multi fold as she was been told leelas of Sri Krishna. She was blessed with a idol of Sri Krishna at young age and her heart melted saying that Oh Krishna there is NO one else in my heart other than YOU (God). In Her earlier birth she accomplished wonderful sadana.

Jai Sri Krishna

RAMA RAMA Hara Hari

Baiya Sathyanarayan

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Dear Mr. Singhal,To the best of my knowledge, Bhagwad-Geeta does not say that I am God's; howeverit says that you are God - same as Krishna. Aham Atma Gudakesh Sarva BhutashayaSthitah Verse 20 Chapter 10. All that we have to do is to surrender our Ego atthe feet of Krishna Bhagwan by saying that 'Shishyas teham, shadi mam twamprapannam 7/2. Progressively, we will feel the presence of Shree Krishna in ourheart. Steps are outlined in verse 23 Chapter 13 which read as'Upadrashta,anumanta cha, Bharta,Bhokta,Maheshwarah,Paramatma iti cha api uktah,Dehesmin Purushah Parah. These progressive steps can be taken as a discipline ofAdhi Yagna oulined in Chapter 8 verse 4 'Adhiyagnah ahamevatra,dehe DehbhrutamVara.When we are God in Essence which can be manifested by the above steps and also by detailed guidance as given in various Chapters of Bhagvad-Geeta, there is no question of God is mine (per my understanding). Jayantilal Shah

Shree Hari Ram Ram

J. Shahji - You say - Bhagwad-Geeta does not say that I am God's, then please explain your understanding of -

"Mamaivaamso jivaloke jeevabhootah sanaatanah" (Gita 15:7). "In this world, the Self (Atma) becomes an embodied Soul (jeev), though being a part (fragment) of My Eternal Self (Paramatma, Supreme Consciousness)." MAMA EVA = IS MINE ONLY ; ANSH = (FRAGMENT / PART / RAY OF CONSCIOUSNESS)

How is this any different from "I am only God's and only God is mine" ? Ram Ram

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Priy Pawam ji

I can feel what U want to say. Its not only with U. Every body has this prob. Even todays so called saints & gurus do have it.I like one thing that u said saying again & again one day it will accept. Thats true but u had the courage to tell it on this forum.Thanxraja gurdasani

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Read details of the slogan 'Aham Brhamasmi " I am brahma. that I am as good as God.But its power capacity is limited for us.We can be as good as almighty God if we do penacia like rushis in the deep forest.If we consult our inner self,we can be successful.When we reach higher consciousness,we can reply in view of our inner power known as intution which directs us to a right path.When we have this power of intution,we can know other's mindsThis is my experience. My best wishes to all who reads this email Truly yours Shankerprasad S Bhatt-

There are TWO suppositions here---one is correct and the other one is not. I am God's is fine. God is mine is also OK, but God is only mine is wrong. Since Everyone says that and therefore. Everyone is God's and God is in Everyone of us.

Durgesh Mankikar,MD --------------------------------I happened to hear lecture by Swamiji today which explains this topic very nicely. Lecture is 1991oct04_1630hrs.

http://www.swamiramsukhdasji.org/swamijicontent/ and select date range and the specific date and time.

I will request sadhaks to hear this lecture to increase the understanding that we are Ram's and Ram is only ours. Gaurav Mittla------------------------------

Jai Hanuman

It will not be an exaggeration to state that creation is all a matter of "acceptance" ! Acceptance(Rejection) is therefore key not only in spiritual matters but in every other matter ! This "acceptance" has to be rightly placed. The power of acceptance is the ONLY power which Jeeva has got, fundamentally at SELF level. (Sadhaks may seriously ponder over this) . It is always effortless and requires no help of body, mind, intellect etc. Self has only this capacity. Rest everything is in the regime of Prakruti ! This power/ability of acceptance is stated in scriptures as faith/devotion/trust/belief , etc !

When you make a wrong acceptance, the remedy lies in rejection of that acceptance ! That is called "tyaag" (Renunciation). That gives you instant peace (Gita 12/12) ! Tyaag - is always of "other"- as a Law ! (You can't renounce what is yours - Can the Sun reject light out of it ?). But then the other was never yours ab-initio ! It is not yours! It will not be yours! It is not possible for "other" to be yours ! But it still appears to be yours !! You are still bound by it ? WHY ? Because of "acceptance" placed wrongly. You have "accepted" ... Doosara (other) to be me and mine !!

Hence key is "acceptance" ! You have to address this "acceptance", if placed wrongly !! Remedy- TYAAG ! Accept - Doosara Na Koi !! That in fact is real TYAAG !!!

Namaste Jee

Jee JeeShashikala

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"Acceptance" referred is effortless because you are already God's and in reality only God is yours. Problem is that it is not "exclusive" from your side ! We are not able to eliminate dependence/desire of "doosara" (other; prakruti; Jagat -mind/intellect/ego/body). So long as that "doosara" is not renounced; exclusive relationship with God can not be said to have firmly "established" from Jeeva's side.Hence: ONLY God is mine ! Hence: DOOSARO NA KOI !

From God's side the relationship is ever established- as one sadhak stated, God has no ability to "disconnect" with Jeeva ! Similarly, whatever efforts Jeeva may make, you have no ability to "connect" with Jagat. In fact, you are ever "disconnected" with Jagat and ever "connected" with Jagdish.

"Connection" is established necessarily by accepting "me" and "mineness" with some one.

The problem lies in "wrong acceptance/assumption"(Me/mine) at present- whereby you have assumed ASAT to be "me/mine" - by "bhavas" (SELF):-

1 you have "assumed" at present disconnection with Jagdish

( if you have not assumed at present disconnection with Jagdish, why did you raise the Q ? Why do you want to connect yourself with Him? Why this desire to connect with Him has arisen? )

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2 you have "assumed" connection with Jagat.

(Otherwise why you are eager to disconnect yourself with it? Why do you want to change? Why do you want to establish mineness with Paramatma? )

Hence "Sat" has been not accepted and "Asat" has been accepted. Thus you have made wrong acceptance.

It is a law that any acceptance previously made ( Here-Connection with Asat) can be cancelled/left/negated/renounced ONLY by making a reverse/opposite acceptance (Here- disconnection with Asat) . What is that reverse acceptance now you should make ? DOOSARO NA KOI !!

That a "desire" has arisen in you to make "correct assumption" - your desire is "auspicious" (Subhecchha) and has become SATSANGA- and is not thus a worldly desire ! Keep this desire (Abhilaasha) burning in you. Come back with practical challenges you face in the process. As Rajaji Gurdasani told: State where you feel difficulties in above ! What is so difficult in renouncing that with which you are ever "disconnected" ACTUALLY, and your connection with it is merely "assumed" ? Can you remain connected with Jagat ? If no, what is difficult in rejecting your connection (me/mineness) with it?

Simply accept the opposite - Doosaro Na Koi !! When you negate the wrong assumption; correct assumption is automatically/effortlessly made ! When you do not tell a lie, truth automatically gets uttered ! What efforts are entailed in speaking truth ?

Real acceptance is invisible. It is natural. It ceases to be different than you. It becomes part of you as "kaajal" becomes part of eyes! It is remembered without remembering. It is effortless. No "insistence" or "doership" is needed. It has no aid of inert- mind etc . It is "SELF made" ! It is truthful. It is SAHAJ ! It is SAT !!

Hence do - SATSANGA !! Why Satsanga? So that your acceptance remains firm ! Jeeva tends to get drawn/attracted towards Prakruti (BG 15:7/ 2:60) . However, if your desire is focussed, even God will help in stregthening your "acceptance"(7:21) !

Hence do Associate yourself with Truth; with SAT; with Paramatma- MERE TO GIRDHAR GOPAL by the path of "reverse acceptance" viz

DOOSARO NA KOI !!

Jai Shree Krishna

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Dear sadhakas,Hare krishna.

This is in response to a question from a sadhaka.

.. Lord Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita,

"Mamaivamso jiva loke,Jiva bhutah sanatanah. " ( Gita 15,7)

Which means" The living entities in this material world are My eternal fragmental parts. "

As the fragmental parts of the lord, the living entities have fragmental portions of His qualities. Independence is one such quality. If we misuse our independence, we become coditioned souls. If we use indepenence in right way ( devotional service), we become liberated.

Lord Krishna says in Gita,

"Yo mam pasyati sarvatra,Sarvam ca mayi pasyati,Tasyaham na pranasyami,Sa ca me na pranasyati. " Gita 6, 30)

Which means,

"For one who sees Me everywhere and sees everything in Me, I am never lost to him and he is never lost to Me. "

Krishna consciousness is the process of developing love for Krishna. Once we are in the loving, devotional service of Him, Lord Krishna always stays in our sight. Lord Krishna is also known as ' Bhakta Sulabha' which means it is easy to reach Him. Lord is easily accessible to his devotees. We are all His and He is all ours, once we are in deep devotional service.Sankirtana yagna or chanting of the Holy Name of the Lord is practical for this age.

Thank you,

Hare Krishna.

Prasad.A.Iragavarapu, M.D

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Sadak Pawan says, "First I have to try to accept DUSRO NA KOI (There is None Other / No One else is Mine)".

There are many child saints, woman saints and family saints. If you come to know there history you will know that DUSRO goes away automatically by Bakthi. Sri Krishna in Geetha mentions about Bakthi Marg. Only in Bakthi Marg chapter HE says "Name Baktha". Not for sanyasin or yogi. In Bakthi Marg you will automatically get released from thoughts of DUSRO. It happens- One cannot eliminate by his sadana. Just think of any saint, even Sant Meera. She said DUSRO when? Only when she reached the heights of Bakthi. Mostly all saints had love towards God from childhood. As they grew the passion for Bakthi it increased and people around them caused sufferings, but they were stead fast in Bakthi.One Example: Baktha Gora- Stamped his child in mud by accident. His wife became furious to throw away Vittal idol from home. Gora took axe to kill her. Imagine Gora son` s body was there, and Gora wanted to kill his wife because she insulted Vittal Moorthy. If I was there, I will remain silent for all the abuses and would have remained still if Vittal was to be broken (Thinking that It is after all Idol- God Omnipresent, God is all pervasive Etc as many sadaks say, let her do what she wants). There is vedio on Gora- see it and feel the deapth of Bakthi what Bagavan mentions in Geetha (Ananiya Chithayayome). Atleast desire to follow Gora foot steps- Bakthi comes by itself Jai Sri KrishnaBaiya Sathyanarayan Shree Hari Ram Ram

Satyanarayanji your statement "even Sant Meera, she said DUSRO when? Only when she reached the heights of Bakthi." Is this your understanding, or have you read this somewhere? As we understand, the acceptance of "dosero na koyi" was immediate, from day 1, with Sant Mirabai, just like a newly pronounced girl accepts her groom only as her husband immediately, and no one else as her husband.

From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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Question anything that poses as "You" or as "God" ... question anything thatclaims a relation with "You" or with "God" ... question the very identity ...question the very ownership …

How to "accept" by Self? How to realize that I am only God's and Only God isMine?

By realizing how I can never establish with whatsoever means that anything couldbelong to me or I could belong to anything else ... and, by realizing how I amnot whatever I think I am and how whatever that may claim to be me is not me ...till the Mine-ness as well as I-ness vanish completely in our presence ...

By realizing how anything that we can think of (as well as anything we can notthink of) IS NOT The God ... by appreciating at the same time how The God ISanything that we can think of and we can't even think of ... till the His-nessand He-ness is established all around as well as within ...

.... as the I-ness mitigates ... and as He-ness is revealed in everythingincluding the erstwhile "I" ...

.... as the Mine-ness mitigates ... and as His-ness occupies everything includingthe erstwhile "I" ...

.... when there is no "I" ... when there is no "you" ... when there is no "any"... And, when there is only He ...

.... what is Mine? ... and, what is His? ...

.... All is That and That is All ...

.... I am That and That is Me ...

.... I am All and All is Me ...

.... Sarvam khalu idam Brahma ...

.... Aham Brahmaasmi ...

.... Vaasudevah sarvam ...

To start the quest from within ... to sustain the quest … to quench the questwithin … am I not His? Is He not Mine? ... Yes! I am! ... Yes!! He is!! … whenI am His and He is Mine, who am I and who is He? … am I not He and is He not Me?... When there is ONE as anything and everything, where is the identity andwhere can be the ownership? ...

Relish the very quest "Who is who and who is whose?" as it raises ... as itgrows ... as it dies ... experience the raise, the growth as well as the deathabsolutely as they are and as you are ...

Respects.

Naga Narayana

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Nothing can one's mind accept unless one is convinced. Just go on testing the hypothesis that ' God is mine and I am God's" with your life experience of events, actions, results, etc.. Try to disprove this with as many instances as possible. The day when you fail to disprove the hypothesis, you will start trying to prove the hypothesis. God willing one day you will realize the Truth and able to prove it to yourself. There is no short cut, no uniqwue method. You have to rely on your on method of continuous teasting of the hypothesis. Basudeb Sen---- Shri HariRam RamMr.Raja Gurdasani replied and advising me to elaborate what exactly is stopping me from accepting God.Unfavourable circumstances disturb my mind which I know to tolerate (Gita 2.14) but not accepting these are temporary (Gita 2.16).Excuse me I am helpless.I know,I say but not accepting by self ( as described in prayer written by Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj Ji)I am praying Hey Nath Me AAP KA HU.By the grace of God it will happen one day that I will accept by self that I am Only God's and only God is mine.Thanks & RegardsPawan Kumar Singhal -------------------------------- God realisation is not easy. Ultimately it is our own effort. For this one must prepare oneselfthrough sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation. A guru I know meditatedfor 5 long years. He was attracted towards spirituality and left homeand hearth to serve a guru and remained a brahamchari. Therefore thereis no quick fix and God will come to you only when you are ready forHim.Hari Shanker Deo Shree Hari Ram Ram Hari Shanker Deoji, How much tapas, sadhna, meditation, satsang was needed for a girl to accept the groom has her husband? Was there any doubt in her mind? Thereafter, did she ever wake up in the morning thinking she is still single? Did she go back and forth, running to her parents house thinking she is still single? Did she do more sadhna and tapas to remind herself that she is married to return to her husband? sincerely think about this... even acceptance of someone as Guru... how much sadhna and tapas etc does it take? From Gita Talk moderators, Ram Ram -----Shree Hari. Namaste,

......Its reality is only in and through and from Brahman , from THE reality,the only reality manifested in all these different forms. The forms keep comingand going and changing, the one reality the one WORD , the one truth ismanifests in all theses forms........ but you cannot get this insight as long as you remain on the merelyrational level. The rational logical is created to divide, to analyze, to breakthings up......Today in science they say the universe is a field of energy working atdifferent frequencies, and we are all part of this field of energies....... [Ex.From 'On retreat with Bede Griffiths'].

This was my thought platform that was triggered in my heart, before I read it,can you imagine how astounded I was when I started to contemplate the BhagavadGita, regarding the extract above can you see how real Gitaji is?Bhagavad Gita : 10-88. I am the source of all; from me everything evolves; understanding thus, thewise, endowed with meditation, worship me.Bhagavad Gita : 11-1818.You are the Imperishable, the Supreme Being, worthy of being known; you arethe great treasure-house of this universe; you are the imperishable protector ofthe eternal Dharma; you are the ancient Person, I deem.

Pawanji, You said: "Guide me what efforts i should do for acceptance of "I amonly God's and only God is mine."

You are inseparable from Bhagwan , so how can you be anything but GODS, and GOD is the eternal constant, thus; and only GOD is yours, no effort, just look into your soul Accept, nothing will destroy that acceptance, impossible!

With Respect and Divine Love,

Mike Keenor

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Priy Pawan JI

One thing is sure U dont have other option except accepting God.Second What is the problem in accepting the Truth?Please elaborate what exactly is stopping you from accepting?ThanxRaja Gurdasani ----Shri HariRam RamI am thankful to all of you which are showing way towards God realisation especially Gita-talk . THANK YOU! Comments by Sh.Sushil Jain, Swami rupesh kumar & Sh.B.Sathyanarayan and other have particularly been remarkable for me personally in increasing my deep desire for love of God. As I now understand - First I have to try to accept DUSRO NA KOI (There is None Other / No One else is Mine). Thanks & RegardsPawan Kumar Singhal----jay ho...... Rajneesh Gupta-----PRIOR POSTING

Shree Hari:Ram Ram. if you could read and believe in lines 13 - 14 on page 193 of the book Maanavamaatrake Kalyaanake Liye by Swamiji in Hindi.Vineet,Sarvottam. Lines 13-14"Bhagwaan mein bhi taakat nahin ki wah humaaraa sambandh tod de. Wah sarvasamarth hote hua bhi, hame chhodne mein asamarth hai." "Even Bhagwaan does not have the strength to break off our relation with Him. Inspite of being Almighty, He is incapable of leaving us." -----------NARAYAN ,NARAYAN, In English Body, senses, mind, intellect all in all belong to Paramatma, only by considering them to be ours we are trapped in bondage. You consider the mind entirely Bhagwaan's, then the modifications of the mind will not touch you. The happiness and sorrow arising in the mind, will not touch you. When everything is only Paramatma (God), and nothing at all is yours, then you have nothing to give and take from anyone. Do not consider the mind to be your own. Do not consider the intellect to be your own, do not consider the ego to be your own. This work either you can do right NOW, or you can do after years, or after life times. By considering and accepting all of these to be belonging to yourself, it the cause of birth and death. Do not consider these are yours - then there is no bondage. See Gita 7/7. If you want your salvation and betterment, then accept that which is the Truth - that everything is ONLY BHAGWAAN's. Try to inquire and get to know the Truth. This will not only improve your spiritual life, but also your worldly relations. Whether you accept today, or after many lifetimes, the Truth will be known, will be realized, it is inevitable. It is a rule. Read Gita 6/44. If you are unable to comprehend this message, then understand that it is the limitation of our understanding. There is no limitations in the Truth, the Essential Element (tattva). Everything is a manifestation of God. Ramchandra SHARIR, INDRIYA, MAN, BUDHI, SAB KE SAB PARMATMA KE HEIN INKO APNA MAN KAR HI HUM BANDHAN ME PADE HEIN.AAP MAN KO SHARVTHA BHAGVAN KA MAN LO THO MAN KE VIKAR AAPKO NAHI LAGEGE.MAN KE SUKH -DUKH APKO NAHI LAGEGE.JAB SAB KUCH PARMATMA HI HEIN APKA KUCH HEIN HI NAHI PHIR APKO KISI SE KYA LENA DENA.MAN KO APNA MAT MANO, BUDHI KO APNA MAT MANO,AHNKAR KO APNA MAT MANO. YE KAM CHAHE AAJ ABHI KARO CHAE VARSHO BAD YA JANMO BAD IN SAB KO APNA MAN NE SE JANAM -MARAN HOTE HEIN.UNKO APNA MAT MANOTHO KOI BANDHAN NAHI HEIN. DEKHE[ GITA=7/ 7]AGAR AAP UDHAR KARNA CHAHTE HO THO SACHI BAT KO SWIKAR KARLOKI SAB KUCH BHAGWAN KA HEIN.SACHI BAT KO KATNE KI BAJAY JANNE KI CHESTA KARO. APKA VAIVHAR THIK HOJAYEGA OUR PARMARTH BHI THIK HOJAYEGA. CHAHE AAP AAJ MANO CHAHEVARSHO BAD MANO. SACHI BAT ANUBHAV MEIN AAYEGI YE NIYAM HEIN.DEKHO-GITA-[6/44]AGAR YE BAT HAMARI SAMAZ MEIN NAHI AATI HE THO SAMZO HAMARI SAMAZ MEKAMI HEIN.TATAV ME KAMI NAHI HEIN.[sAB JAG ISHWAR ROOP HEIN] [RAMCHANDRA] Dear Sadhak, JUST ACCEPT--no efforts of any kinds needed in this.The closest example is of a mother-son. Does a mother need any effort to accept her son ?Only God is mine--just accept for once and alll...The problem is we say God is mine but we hesitate to say"ONLY God is mine". The minute we accept exclusive mineness with God, miracle happen. with Love,a sadhikaSadhna Karigar-Shree Hari|| Ram Ram ||Dear Pawan Kumarji, thanks for bringing up a very important question!Swamiji Maharaj in his discourses has emphasized the importance of this topic. Based on Swamiji's discourses:1. Pls. read Sadhak Sanjivani (Hindi or English, the explanation of Gitaji Verse (12-8)2. Recognize and accept fully that the major obstacles are in accepting "I am only God's and Only God is Mine" are:- Bhoga (desire for enjoyment) and Sangrah (greed for accumulation). - Our attachment to body, relationships and the world, - Desiring sukha (happiness) from the relationships and the world 3. Utilize all what we have for service of the world only4. Firmly accept and continuously practice Swamiji Maharaj's Panch-Amritas (5 Nectars):- We are God's only - Wherever we live, are living in HIs Darbar (court) only- Whatever good actions we do they are His actions only - Whatever pure ans auspicious we get are His Prasad (due to His blessings) only- With the gift of His Prasad, we serve His subjects only5. Accept that we cannot achieve our Goal on our own; pray to God to grant His love to us. 6. The deep desire for love of God, we stay restless till we achieve HIs love7. Generally we do two things, 1) Think, 2). See - When thinking - Think of Bhagvan's Vibhuties (Glories, Chapter 10)- When seeing - Visualize Vishava Roopa (His Cosmic Form) everywhere (Chapter 11) || Ram Ram ||

Humble regards,Madan Kaura------ 1. Trust what has been told to you. And Just Surrender!...2. Next, have patience without any doubt......3. park your all questions somewhere....including "i am Gods....."4. Don't think about acceptance or non-acceptance....5. Keep knowing more about wisdom of life / spiritually.....you Self It is simple but our mind makes it very complicated.....Let the mind rest....you will get there....where the questions dissolve.....the state of oneness....

Sushil Jain -----------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Swamiji has made very profound statement which comes from his own experiential understanding of himself, Self, and God. Only then one can make such a statement as "I am God's and only God is mine"! Acceptance of this truth is not a theory, but it could be provisional acceptance in the beginning with tremendous Trust and relentless pursuit through sadhana. This will result in flash like glimpses of our own true nature, and the meaning of Self and God being the same as I am. This is what is spoken of in BG ch 2 at length. Acceptance by Self means we need to know that we are Self-Atman-Pure Being only, but have forgotten due to ignorance(identification with body-mind) creating a false sense of "me". There is only Self, and thus acceptance is by Self only; "me' is never going to accept it as it spells death to it. Acceptance "I am God's, and only God is mine" as often as we remind ourselves, helps us regain our lost memory of always being God-realized-Self.Namaskar.........Pratap Bhatt--Jai Shree Krishna Pawanji has asked a very good Q. Such Qs give momentum to Satsanga. Basically no efforts are needed in acceptance advocated by Swamiji. It is a KARAN NIRAPEKSHA SADHAN- sans mind/ego/intellect/body/inert. It is made by SELF. But in practical terms I would still say : First ponder over DOOSARO NA KOI. Is there any one of you? If you , by the help of intellect/mind able to fully understand that there is no one of yours , in other words, if you are firm in negating the importance of world from deep within ....the acceptance of Paramatma as yours will be automatic! Difficulty is not in Accepting " Only God is mine, I am of the God"...difficulty is in negating.. Doosaro Na koi. Hence , in my humble view, first concentrate on removing the importance of inert, worldly pleasures from your psyche. Think ! Read Swamiji's books...and ascertain even by application of inert mind... whether world is yours? Once DOOSARO NA KOI is clear to you, it will be very easy for you to accept "Mere to Girdhar Gopal" . You see to say MERE TO GIRDHAR GOPAL is easy, but not to deviate from it is rather challenging. Hence stay tuned to deliberations on this thread. We are fortunate to be having among us some very knowledgeable students of Swamiji's teachings ....they all will help you in this. Swami Rupesh Kumar

 

Ram Ram,

Although I am trying to explain you as per my understanding, I am not sure whether I will be able to succeed or not.

As per Swamiji's quotation from Gita, and he also emphasized many times that whatever you are seeing which is not existing at any moment, is not going to be there for all the moment. Also there is a continuous extinction of this world which we are seeing, but our understaning ( or in other words, the power of understanding) is not getting extincted. This knowingness is trivial to everyone, and this itself has to be worked upon.

Nasato Vidhyatey Bhavo, Nabhavo Vidhyatey Sataha (there is continuous extinction of this world, and what you are in never getting extincted, truth always remains).

"Nahi so sundar hai sada, hai so sundar nahi,nahi ko parkat dekhiye, hai so deekhat nahi"

You this theory has to be practiced that whatever is getting finished or extincted, was never there and will never be there and so one should not waste anymore time working upon it.

In a nutshell, whatever has ever extincted was never there and no one can even claim his propritership on it. And this understanding or knowingness is always there. This primary belief has to be strengthened and only then you can claim for learning the path of reaching to God.

Jai Siya Ram!!!

- Kuldeep Chaturvedi

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Those who accept "I am only God's and only God is mine" are very advanced personalities and rare. As I am far from reaching this goal, it is difficult to comment this.

"I am Rams" means following:- I would be in samta in all material circumstances because I am not this matter and then, why worry about it. cinta deen dayal ko man sada ananda - Ram has all our worries and I am always happy.- Praise or dishonor does not matter. I am Ram's and ultimately, Ram's views matter. If I did something wrong which will make Ram unhappy, then I should accept it and fix it. Otherwise, other people's views don't matter.- Diseases, bodily comfort and pleause don't matter. The body in which I live belongs to Ram. I am supposed to take good care of it. Ultimately, it is Ram and I should be in samta. - I am supposed to take care of family but ultimately they are Ram's and Ram is supposed to take care of their welfare. I get worried about family if they get late etc. Why should I worry if Ram is taking care of them? I should do my best and then, leave it on Ram.- I should do my karma as service to Ram and then, leave everything to Ram.

Few ways to increaes our acceptance of this:

- When I do jap, I repeat with the feeling that I am Ram's, Swamiji quotes Tulsidas quite often in naam jap - hohi ram ka japu. Tulsidas says that "Ram ka ho kar jap kar na chahiye". I keep on saying during jap - "Ram, I am Yours". This is very powerful.- When I reach office, I play if possible Swamiji's bhajan (meh to hamare ramji ka.....). It is 4-5 mins bhajan and it sets my mood before working. At work, it is easier to get agitaged. So, it is helpful to start work with it.- At night, look at whole day, Did I accept that I am Ram's? Was I agitaged by dishonor? Was I agitated by material loss or money? Did I do my job properly as service to Ram? and so on.

Gaurav Mittal

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Dear Sadak Pawan,Just get audio and video material on saints, puranas, and scripts. Say for instance: One can get Bagavat, Geetha, Video on Gnaneswar, Sant Sakubai, Sant Tukaram etc. Concentrate on the leelas of Bagavan, slowly you will start loving HIM and slowly HE (God) enters in you and rest leave it to HIM and relax. your heart will be filled with Bakthi and you will loose attachment even on family members. I did this since 12 years and I have large library on almost all puranas and saints. The library is so vast if one listens daily 4 hours he can be in divine touch within 5 years.B.Sathyanarayan

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Shri HariRam RamHow I can accept I am God's and only God is mine ? Acceptance theory of God realisation of Swami Ramsukhdass ji maharaj is very important, I know this but I am not accepting "I am only God's and only God is Mine." If I had accepted "I am only God's and only God is mine", then I would have realised God.

What should I do to accept I am God's and only God is mine? It is only when the Acceptance is by the Self that "I am only God's and only God is mine" that leads to God realisation.

Guide me what efforts i should do for acceptance of "I am only God's and only God is mine."

Thanks & RegardsRam RamPawan Kumar Singhal

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Jai Shree Hari,There is a great power in accepting "I am only God's and Only God is mine" for an aspirant which is not a hypothesis but the TRUTH itself. Since, we are used to accept things from very beginning so by accepting the TRUTH as only TRUTH can lead to the TRUTH. If we analyze, our whole life (personal, family, social, professional,...) it is based upon just the acceptance. What ever we are, it is just because of our acceptance (SHRADDHA MAYOYAM PURUSHHO YO YACHHRADDHA SA EVA SAH - Gitaji 17/3). The only mistake we have done is that we have accepted many unreal things (BAHUSHAKHA HI ANATAASCHA ... Gita ji 2/41) in wrong way though we might be claiming to hold the thread of true acceptance. As soon as, the acceptance of "I am only God's and Only God is mine" becomes one and only one (i..ANANYA), this acceptance becomes realization i.e. TRUTH. If the question is how to increase the level of this acceptance, to me, the easiest solution seems "put this acceptance in the center of all your thoughts/activities to convert it into the realization."May God bless us all!Niteesh Dubey

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!

I am inspired by Vyasji's comments on Nagaji's post, and equally by Jayantilal Shah's comments on Jeeva being Ishwara ansh.

Acceptance of only "God is mine" by Self is difficult in the beginning because we have not investigated Self and God as to what exactly they mean to me, the self!

In case of mother-child, wife-husband it is easy because mother knows her child 9 months before arrival being her part and unmarried woman knows she is getting married to a man. Both are understandable by mind and sense organs. God and Self have different understanding and this is why it pose some difficulties, specially to the beginers, and for ones given to inquiry/self-knowledge. This point has to be remembered so while accepting one continues to burn with desire to know God. What is God and who is Self that accepts, now that I accept it per Swamiji's advice. It is the beginning of Gyan-Bhakti-Karma-Yoga and culminates in acceptance with full understanding that only God IS this Self, not two!

Only then such statement become living truth, and one says "oh now I understand what Swamiji is saying!"

Regarding Jeeva being the Ansha, I would say That which truly IS, is not ansha but the Whole! Body-mind organism has limitations as limitations are inherent in manifestation, but That which IS-Atman-Brahman doesn't have any parts, it is undifferentiaqted Absolute Existence-Unmanifest-Consciousness(sat-chit). It is our own experience as we read these lines now, but "me" robs this experience from SELF! "me" is separation!

Namaskar...............Pratap Bhatt

 

 

 

 

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Hari Om

It is so nice to read so many good responses from different sadhaks. The message of Mr Naga Narain is meaningful, crisp and focussed. It is worth carrying forward.

Indeed, a sadhak should strive to change "me" and "mine" which basically constitute "ego" ! Address any one of "me" or "mine" ( Ahanta or mamata) !

"Me" - who is this I ? Not the name, not the occupation, not the body, not any organ of body, not the mind or intellect ! What is this "I" ? "I" is "self" ! What is this "self" made of? Who is this "self"/soul/ Atma? BG 15:7 - Exclusive Ray of Paramatma ! Hence "Me" is Paramatma ! Hence "I" is Paramatma !!

A Jnana Yogi eliminates totally every other "me" and places "Self" as real ME !! AHAM BRAHMASMI !!

How to realise/experience that "me" is now "God" ? Find out what the God is made of; what attributes He has ! Adopt them .... logical ?? Yes ! No doubt on that. What is that most common and advocated attribute of Scriptures which belongs to Paramatma ? Unanimously ---- SAMATA (Equanimity) ---- BG 2:48/9:29/13:27 etc. Hence "Equanimity" is the junction.

That is how a Jnana Yogi lives what Mr Naga has stated.A Jnana Yogi ignores "mine" totally , believing world to be a part of "Nature" and believing him "self" to be beyond the same. He concentrates only on "Me" !

A Bhakta first addresses "mine" instead of "me" !! He does not "eliminate" the ego completely, he "changes" the ego and simultaneously/ later on through "mine" reaches / addresses "me" ! He thus addresses both "me" and "mine" ! Hence, for him - result is VASUDEV SARVAM.

A Karma Yogi only deals with "mine" and makes no efforts to reach "me" ! He "purifies" ego and removes impurities out of it . For him the "me" is "yagya shesh" (remnant of Duty/ Yoga ) ! He keeps on severing relations with world by "expectationless service"! In the end "pure self" remains behind.

Thus a Jnana Yogi deals exclusively with "me", Karma Yogi exclusively with "mine" - both concentrate on "disconnection" with Jagat. Bhakta deals with both.

Coming to the observation of Vasudev Sathyanarainji,a Bhakta, indeed, focuses on "connection with God" ( As Sathyanarainji stated) !! As a principle, you are on right path on both ways- either disconnect with Jagat or connect with Jagdish . Either "connect" with Him (Mere to Girdhar Gopal) or "disconnect from inert" (Doosaro na koi) !! But in practice, "nishedhatmak sadhan" ( prohibitory striving, negation, NETI, NETI ) is very fast and very productive.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B ----------Dear Sadhak, JUST ACCEPT--no efforts of any kinds needed in this.The closest example is of a mother-son. Does a mother need any effort to accept her son ?Only God is mine--just accept for once and alll...The problem is we say God is mine but we hesitate to say"ONLY God is mine". The minute we accept exclusive mineness with God, miracle happen. with Love,a sadhikaSadhna Karigar ----Shree Hari: Ram Ram. Swamiji said,"Don't consider that yours which you want to offer (arapan) to God." {vide his discourse on 11. 11. 2003 morning 5:00}. So the easiest and surest way is : I am not even 'mine'. That's all. This was his message to me, answer to my Question,"Bhagawaan ko arpan keise karen?". It worked wonder.Vineet,Sarvottam------------------I write this with due Humility and with my limited Anubhuti. Coming from JainTradition where concept of God is absent but not denied, it created a strongconfusion in my mind for a long period. When During my college life I decided tolive an ethical life due to inspiration from Swami Vivekanand and Gandhiji,toomany problems arouse for which I soon reached a point of no-return -period wentfor few years - I started getting distinct divine help from unknown corners andthis being true,there was no alternative but to work on living faith in God.Verse you have pointed out was known to me; I interpreted this in my own waythat God within is the same in quality as the Cosmic Energy/Intelligent InfiniteConsiousness but unable to merge with that Infinity because it is bound byAvidya/Ego.When I saw many Bhakti Margi Sidhha Yogis in Gujerat drawing from that InfiniteReservoir,I came to the conclusion that as God within and without are same inquality but different in quantity,this energy of Paramatma can be harnessed bydoing the internal work of dissolving Ego.Ansha is complete in all respect asSarvansh and also got some confirmation from Isha Upanishad: Purnam Adah,PurnamIdam.Once again I wish to point out that what is stated is from my subjectiveexperience in the sprit of Sharing than discussing.Hence it never struck me to interpret Mama Eva Ansha as my part; it alwaysbecame I am the part of the whole. With Gratitude,Jayantilal Shah---------------------------

Namaste to Respectful Gita Talk Moderators,

This is what you posted: Satyanarayanji your statement "even Sant Meera, she said DUSRO when? Only when she reached the heights of Bakthi." Is this your understanding, or have you read this somewhere? As we understand, the acceptance of "dosero na koyi" was immediate, from day 1, with Sant Mirabai, just like a newly pronounced girl accepts her groom only as her husband immediately, and no one else as her husband.

Sant Meera at very young age she met a Guru who gave her Upadesh. She started her love for Bagavan from that tender age. Only as she grew her love for Bagavan grew multi fold as she was been told leelas of Sri Krishna. She was blessed with a idol of Sri Krishna at young age and her heart melted saying that Oh Krishna there is NO one else in my heart other than YOU (God). In Her earlier birth she accomplished wonderful sadana.

Jai Sri Krishna

RAMA RAMA Hara Hari

Baiya Sathyanarayan

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Dear Mr. Singhal,To the best of my knowledge, Bhagwad-Geeta does not say that I am God's; howeverit says that you are God - same as Krishna. Aham Atma Gudakesh Sarva BhutashayaSthitah Verse 20 Chapter 10. All that we have to do is to surrender our Ego atthe feet of Krishna Bhagwan by saying that 'Shishyas teham, shadi mam twamprapannam 7/2. Progressively, we will feel the presence of Shree Krishna in ourheart. Steps are outlined in verse 23 Chapter 13 which read as'Upadrashta,anumanta cha, Bharta,Bhokta,Maheshwarah,Paramatma iti cha api uktah,Dehesmin Purushah Parah. These progressive steps can be taken as a discipline ofAdhi Yagna oulined in Chapter 8 verse 4 'Adhiyagnah ahamevatra,dehe DehbhrutamVara.When we are God in Essence which can be manifested by the above steps and also by detailed guidance as given in various Chapters of Bhagvad-Geeta, there is no question of God is mine (per my understanding). Jayantilal Shah

Shree Hari Ram Ram

J. Shahji - You say - Bhagwad-Geeta does not say that I am God's, then please explain your understanding of -

"Mamaivaamso jivaloke jeevabhootah sanaatanah" (Gita 15:7). "In this world, the Self (Atma) becomes an embodied Soul (jeev), though being a part (fragment) of My Eternal Self (Paramatma, Supreme Consciousness)." MAMA EVA = IS MINE ONLY ; ANSH = (FRAGMENT / PART / RAY OF CONSCIOUSNESS)

How is this any different from "I am only God's and only God is mine" ? Ram Ram

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I can feel what U want to say. Its not only with U. Every body has this prob. Even todays so called saints & gurus do have it.I like one thing that u said saying again & again one day it will accept. Thats true but u had the courage to tell it on this forum.Thanxraja gurdasani

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Read details of the slogan 'Aham Brhamasmi " I am brahma. that I am as good as God.But its power capacity is limited for us.We can be as good as almighty God if we do penacia like rushis in the deep forest.If we consult our inner self,we can be successful.When we reach higher consciousness,we can reply in view of our inner power known as intution which directs us to a right path.When we have this power of intution,we can know other's mindsThis is my experience. My best wishes to all who reads this email Truly yours Shankerprasad S Bhatt-

There are TWO suppositions here---one is correct and the other one is not. I am God's is fine. God is mine is also OK, but God is only mine is wrong. Since Everyone says that and therefore. Everyone is God's and God is in Everyone of us.

Durgesh Mankikar,MD --------------------------------I happened to hear lecture by Swamiji today which explains this topic very nicely. Lecture is 1991oct04_1630hrs.

http://www.swamiramsukhdasji.org/swamijicontent/ and select date range and the specific date and time.

I will request sadhaks to hear this lecture to increase the understanding that we are Ram's and Ram is only ours. Gaurav Mittla------------------------------

Jai Hanuman

It will not be an exaggeration to state that creation is all a matter of "acceptance" ! Acceptance(Rejection) is therefore key not only in spiritual matters but in every other matter ! This "acceptance" has to be rightly placed. The power of acceptance is the ONLY power which Jeeva has got, fundamentally at SELF level. (Sadhaks may seriously ponder over this) . It is always effortless and requires no help of body, mind, intellect etc. Self has only this capacity. Rest everything is in the regime of Prakruti ! This power/ability of acceptance is stated in scriptures as faith/devotion/trust/belief , etc !

When you make a wrong acceptance, the remedy lies in rejection of that acceptance ! That is called "tyaag" (Renunciation). That gives you instant peace (Gita 12/12) ! Tyaag - is always of "other"- as a Law ! (You can't renounce what is yours - Can the Sun reject light out of it ?). But then the other was never yours ab-initio ! It is not yours! It will not be yours! It is not possible for "other" to be yours ! But it still appears to be yours !! You are still bound by it ? WHY ? Because of "acceptance" placed wrongly. You have "accepted" ... Doosara (other) to be me and mine !!

Hence key is "acceptance" ! You have to address this "acceptance", if placed wrongly !! Remedy- TYAAG ! Accept - Doosara Na Koi !! That in fact is real TYAAG !!!

Namaste Jee

Jee JeeShashikala

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"Acceptance" referred is effortless because you are already God's and in reality only God is yours. Problem is that it is not "exclusive" from your side ! We are not able to eliminate dependence/desire of "doosara" (other; prakruti; Jagat -mind/intellect/ego/body). So long as that "doosara" is not renounced; exclusive relationship with God can not be said to have firmly "established" from Jeeva's side.Hence: ONLY God is mine ! Hence: DOOSARO NA KOI !

From God's side the relationship is ever established- as one sadhak stated, God has no ability to "disconnect" with Jeeva ! Similarly, whatever efforts Jeeva may make, you have no ability to "connect" with Jagat. In fact, you are ever "disconnected" with Jagat and ever "connected" with Jagdish.

"Connection" is established necessarily by accepting "me" and "mineness" with some one.

The problem lies in "wrong acceptance/assumption"(Me/mine) at present- whereby you have assumed ASAT to be "me/mine" - by "bhavas" (SELF):-

1 you have "assumed" at present disconnection with Jagdish

( if you have not assumed at present disconnection with Jagdish, why did you raise the Q ? Why do you want to connect yourself with Him? Why this desire to connect with Him has arisen? )

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2 you have "assumed" connection with Jagat.

(Otherwise why you are eager to disconnect yourself with it? Why do you want to change? Why do you want to establish mineness with Paramatma? )

Hence "Sat" has been not accepted and "Asat" has been accepted. Thus you have made wrong acceptance.

It is a law that any acceptance previously made ( Here-Connection with Asat) can be cancelled/left/negated/renounced ONLY by making a reverse/opposite acceptance (Here- disconnection with Asat) . What is that reverse acceptance now you should make ? DOOSARO NA KOI !!

That a "desire" has arisen in you to make "correct assumption" - your desire is "auspicious" (Subhecchha) and has become SATSANGA- and is not thus a worldly desire ! Keep this desire (Abhilaasha) burning in you. Come back with practical challenges you face in the process. As Rajaji Gurdasani told: State where you feel difficulties in above ! What is so difficult in renouncing that with which you are ever "disconnected" ACTUALLY, and your connection with it is merely "assumed" ? Can you remain connected with Jagat ? If no, what is difficult in rejecting your connection (me/mineness) with it?

Simply accept the opposite - Doosaro Na Koi !! When you negate the wrong assumption; correct assumption is automatically/effortlessly made ! When you do not tell a lie, truth automatically gets uttered ! What efforts are entailed in speaking truth ?

Real acceptance is invisible. It is natural. It ceases to be different than you. It becomes part of you as "kaajal" becomes part of eyes! It is remembered without remembering. It is effortless. No "insistence" or "doership" is needed. It has no aid of inert- mind etc . It is "SELF made" ! It is truthful. It is SAHAJ ! It is SAT !!

Hence do - SATSANGA !! Why Satsanga? So that your acceptance remains firm ! Jeeva tends to get drawn/attracted towards Prakruti (BG 15:7/ 2:60) . However, if your desire is focussed, even God will help in stregthening your "acceptance"(7:21) !

Hence do Associate yourself with Truth; with SAT; with Paramatma- MERE TO GIRDHAR GOPAL by the path of "reverse acceptance" viz

DOOSARO NA KOI !!

Jai Shree Krishna

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Dear sadhakas,Hare krishna.

This is in response to a question from a sadhaka.

.. Lord Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita,

"Mamaivamso jiva loke,Jiva bhutah sanatanah. " ( Gita 15,7)

Which means" The living entities in this material world are My eternal fragmental parts. "

As the fragmental parts of the lord, the living entities have fragmental portions of His qualities. Independence is one such quality. If we misuse our independence, we become coditioned souls. If we use indepenence in right way ( devotional service), we become liberated.

Lord Krishna says in Gita,

"Yo mam pasyati sarvatra,Sarvam ca mayi pasyati,Tasyaham na pranasyami,Sa ca me na pranasyati. " Gita 6, 30)

Which means,

"For one who sees Me everywhere and sees everything in Me, I am never lost to him and he is never lost to Me. "

Krishna consciousness is the process of developing love for Krishna. Once we are in the loving, devotional service of Him, Lord Krishna always stays in our sight. Lord Krishna is also known as ' Bhakta Sulabha' which means it is easy to reach Him. Lord is easily accessible to his devotees. We are all His and He is all ours, once we are in deep devotional service.Sankirtana yagna or chanting of the Holy Name of the Lord is practical for this age.

Thank you,

Hare Krishna.

Prasad.A.Iragavarapu, M.D

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Sadak Pawan says, "First I have to try to accept DUSRO NA KOI (There is None Other / No One else is Mine)".

There are many child saints, woman saints and family saints. If you come to know there history you will know that DUSRO goes away automatically by Bakthi. Sri Krishna in Geetha mentions about Bakthi Marg. Only in Bakthi Marg chapter HE says "Name Baktha". Not for sanyasin or yogi. In Bakthi Marg you will automatically get released from thoughts of DUSRO. It happens- One cannot eliminate by his sadana. Just think of any saint, even Sant Meera. She said DUSRO when? Only when she reached the heights of Bakthi. Mostly all saints had love towards God from childhood. As they grew the passion for Bakthi it increased and people around them caused sufferings, but they were stead fast in Bakthi.One Example: Baktha Gora- Stamped his child in mud by accident. His wife became furious to throw away Vittal idol from home. Gora took axe to kill her. Imagine Gora son` s body was there, and Gora wanted to kill his wife because she insulted Vittal Moorthy. If I was there, I will remain silent for all the abuses and would have remained still if Vittal was to be broken (Thinking that It is after all Idol- God Omnipresent, God is all pervasive Etc as many sadaks say, let her do what she wants). There is vedio on Gora- see it and feel the deapth of Bakthi what Bagavan mentions in Geetha (Ananiya Chithayayome). Atleast desire to follow Gora foot steps- Bakthi comes by itself Jai Sri KrishnaBaiya Sathyanarayan Shree Hari Ram Ram

Satyanarayanji your statement "even Sant Meera, she said DUSRO when? Only when she reached the heights of Bakthi." Is this your understanding, or have you read this somewhere? As we understand, the acceptance of "dosero na koyi" was immediate, from day 1, with Sant Mirabai, just like a newly pronounced girl accepts her groom only as her husband immediately, and no one else as her husband.

From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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Question anything that poses as "You" or as "God" ... question anything thatclaims a relation with "You" or with "God" ... question the very identity ...question the very ownership …

How to "accept" by Self? How to realize that I am only God's and Only God isMine?

By realizing how I can never establish with whatsoever means that anything couldbelong to me or I could belong to anything else ... and, by realizing how I amnot whatever I think I am and how whatever that may claim to be me is not me ...till the Mine-ness as well as I-ness vanish completely in our presence ...

By realizing how anything that we can think of (as well as anything we can notthink of) IS NOT The God ... by appreciating at the same time how The God ISanything that we can think of and we can't even think of ... till the His-nessand He-ness is established all around as well as within ...

.... as the I-ness mitigates ... and as He-ness is revealed in everythingincluding the erstwhile "I" ...

.... as the Mine-ness mitigates ... and as His-ness occupies everything includingthe erstwhile "I" ...

.... when there is no "I" ... when there is no "you" ... when there is no "any"... And, when there is only He ...

.... what is Mine? ... and, what is His? ...

.... All is That and That is All ...

.... I am That and That is Me ...

.... I am All and All is Me ...

.... Sarvam khalu idam Brahma ...

.... Aham Brahmaasmi ...

.... Vaasudevah sarvam ...

To start the quest from within ... to sustain the quest … to quench the questwithin … am I not His? Is He not Mine? ... Yes! I am! ... Yes!! He is!! … whenI am His and He is Mine, who am I and who is He? … am I not He and is He not Me?... When there is ONE as anything and everything, where is the identity andwhere can be the ownership? ...

Relish the very quest "Who is who and who is whose?" as it raises ... as itgrows ... as it dies ... experience the raise, the growth as well as the deathabsolutely as they are and as you are ...

Respects.

Naga Narayana

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Nothing can one's mind accept unless one is convinced. Just go on testing the hypothesis that ' God is mine and I am God's" with your life experience of events, actions, results, etc.. Try to disprove this with as many instances as possible. The day when you fail to disprove the hypothesis, you will start trying to prove the hypothesis. God willing one day you will realize the Truth and able to prove it to yourself. There is no short cut, no uniqwue method. You have to rely on your on method of continuous teasting of the hypothesis. Basudeb Sen---- Shri HariRam RamMr.Raja Gurdasani replied and advising me to elaborate what exactly is stopping me from accepting God.Unfavourable circumstances disturb my mind which I know to tolerate (Gita 2.14) but not accepting these are temporary (Gita 2.16).Excuse me I am helpless.I know,I say but not accepting by self ( as described in prayer written by Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj Ji)I am praying Hey Nath Me AAP KA HU.By the grace of God it will happen one day that I will accept by self that I am Only God's and only God is mine.Thanks & RegardsPawan Kumar Singhal -------------------------------- God realisation is not easy. Ultimately it is our own effort. For this one must prepare oneselfthrough sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation. A guru I know meditatedfor 5 long years. He was attracted towards spirituality and left homeand hearth to serve a guru and remained a brahamchari. Therefore thereis no quick fix and God will come to you only when you are ready forHim.Hari Shanker Deo Shree Hari Ram Ram Hari Shanker Deoji, How much tapas, sadhna, meditation, satsang was needed for a girl to accept the groom as her husband? Was there any doubt in her mind? Thereafter, did she ever wake up in the morning thinking she is still single? Did she go back and forth, running to her parents house thinking she is still single? Did she do more sadhna and tapas to remind herself that she is married to return to her husband? sincerely think about this... even acceptance of someone as Guru... how much sadhna and tapas etc does it take? From Gita Talk moderators, Ram Ram -----Shree Hari. Namaste,

......Its reality is only in and through and from Brahman , from THE reality,the only reality manifested in all these different forms. The forms keep comingand going and changing, the one reality the one WORD , the one truth ismanifests in all theses forms........ but you cannot get this insight as long as you remain on the merelyrational level. The rational logical is created to divide, to analyze, to breakthings up......Today in science they say the universe is a field of energy working atdifferent frequencies, and we are all part of this field of energies....... [Ex.From 'On retreat with Bede Griffiths'].

This was my thought platform that was triggered in my heart, before I read it,can you imagine how astounded I was when I started to contemplate the BhagavadGita, regarding the extract above can you see how real Gitaji is?Bhagavad Gita : 10-88. I am the source of all; from me everything evolves; understanding thus, thewise, endowed with meditation, worship me.Bhagavad Gita : 11-1818.You are the Imperishable, the Supreme Being, worthy of being known; you arethe great treasure-house of this universe; you are the imperishable protector ofthe eternal Dharma; you are the ancient Person, I deem.

Pawanji, You said: "Guide me what efforts i should do for acceptance of "I amonly God's and only God is mine."

You are inseparable from Bhagwan , so how can you be anything but GODS, and GOD is the eternal constant, thus; and only GOD is yours, no effort, just look into your soul Accept, nothing will destroy that acceptance, impossible!

With Respect and Divine Love,

Mike Keenor

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One thing is sure U dont have other option except accepting God.Second What is the problem in accepting the Truth?Please elaborate what exactly is stopping you from accepting?ThanxRaja Gurdasani ----Shri HariRam RamI am thankful to all of you which are showing way towards God realisation especially Gita-talk . THANK YOU! Comments by Sh.Sushil Jain, Swami rupesh kumar & Sh.B.Sathyanarayan and other have particularly been remarkable for me personally in increasing my deep desire for love of God. As I now understand - First I have to try to accept DUSRO NA KOI (There is None Other / No One else is Mine). Thanks & RegardsPawan Kumar Singhal----jay ho...... Rajneesh Gupta-----PRIOR POSTING

Shree Hari:Ram Ram. if you could read and believe in lines 13 - 14 on page 193 of the book Maanavamaatrake Kalyaanake Liye by Swamiji in Hindi.Vineet,Sarvottam. Lines 13-14"Bhagwaan mein bhi taakat nahin ki wah humaaraa sambandh tod de. Wah sarvasamarth hote hua bhi, hame chhodne mein asamarth hai." "Even Bhagwaan does not have the strength to break off our relation with Him. Inspite of being Almighty, He is incapable of leaving us." -----------NARAYAN ,NARAYAN, In English Body, senses, mind, intellect all in all belong to Paramatma, only by considering them to be ours we are trapped in bondage. You consider the mind entirely Bhagwaan's, then the modifications of the mind will not touch you. The happiness and sorrow arising in the mind, will not touch you. When everything is only Paramatma (God), and nothing at all is yours, then you have nothing to give and take from anyone. Do not consider the mind to be your own. Do not consider the intellect to be your own, do not consider the ego to be your own. This work either you can do right NOW, or you can do after years, or after life times. By considering and accepting all of these to be belonging to yourself, it the cause of birth and death. Do not consider these are yours - then there is no bondage. See Gita 7/7. If you want your salvation and betterment, then accept that which is the Truth - that everything is ONLY BHAGWAAN's. Try to inquire and get to know the Truth. This will not only improve your spiritual life, but also your worldly relations. Whether you accept today, or after many lifetimes, the Truth will be known, will be realized, it is inevitable. It is a rule. Read Gita 6/44. If you are unable to comprehend this message, then understand that it is the limitation of our understanding. There is no limitations in the Truth, the Essential Element (tattva). Everything is a manifestation of God. Ramchandra SHARIR, INDRIYA, MAN, BUDHI, SAB KE SAB PARMATMA KE HEIN INKO APNA MAN KAR HI HUM BANDHAN ME PADE HEIN.AAP MAN KO SHARVTHA BHAGVAN KA MAN LO THO MAN KE VIKAR AAPKO NAHI LAGEGE.MAN KE SUKH -DUKH APKO NAHI LAGEGE.JAB SAB KUCH PARMATMA HI HEIN APKA KUCH HEIN HI NAHI PHIR APKO KISI SE KYA LENA DENA.MAN KO APNA MAT MANO, BUDHI KO APNA MAT MANO,AHNKAR KO APNA MAT MANO. YE KAM CHAHE AAJ ABHI KARO CHAE VARSHO BAD YA JANMO BAD IN SAB KO APNA MAN NE SE JANAM -MARAN HOTE HEIN.UNKO APNA MAT MANOTHO KOI BANDHAN NAHI HEIN. DEKHE[ GITA=7/ 7]AGAR AAP UDHAR KARNA CHAHTE HO THO SACHI BAT KO SWIKAR KARLOKI SAB KUCH BHAGWAN KA HEIN.SACHI BAT KO KATNE KI BAJAY JANNE KI CHESTA KARO. APKA VAIVHAR THIK HOJAYEGA OUR PARMARTH BHI THIK HOJAYEGA. CHAHE AAP AAJ MANO CHAHEVARSHO BAD MANO. SACHI BAT ANUBHAV MEIN AAYEGI YE NIYAM HEIN.DEKHO-GITA-[6/44]AGAR YE BAT HAMARI SAMAZ MEIN NAHI AATI HE THO SAMZO HAMARI SAMAZ MEKAMI HEIN.TATAV ME KAMI NAHI HEIN.[sAB JAG ISHWAR ROOP HEIN] [RAMCHANDRA] Dear Sadhak, JUST ACCEPT--no efforts of any kinds needed in this.The closest example is of a mother-son. Does a mother need any effort to accept her son ?Only God is mine--just accept for once and alll...The problem is we say God is mine but we hesitate to say"ONLY God is mine". The minute we accept exclusive mineness with God, miracle happen. with Love,a sadhikaSadhna Karigar-Shree Hari|| Ram Ram ||Dear Pawan Kumarji, thanks for bringing up a very important question!Swamiji Maharaj in his discourses has emphasized the importance of this topic. Based on Swamiji's discourses:1. Pls. read Sadhak Sanjivani (Hindi or English, the explanation of Gitaji Verse (12-8)2. Recognize and accept fully that the major obstacles are in accepting "I am only God's and Only God is Mine" are:- Bhoga (desire for enjoyment) and Sangrah (greed for accumulation). - Our attachment to body, relationships and the world, - Desiring sukha (happiness) from the relationships and the world 3. Utilize all what we have for service of the world only4. Firmly accept and continuously practice Swamiji Maharaj's Panch-Amritas (5 Nectars):- We are God's only - Wherever we live, are living in HIs Darbar (court) only- Whatever good actions we do they are His actions only - Whatever pure ans auspicious we get are His Prasad (due to His blessings) only- With the gift of His Prasad, we serve His subjects only5. Accept that we cannot achieve our Goal on our own; pray to God to grant His love to us. 6. The deep desire for love of God, we stay restless till we achieve HIs love7. Generally we do two things, 1) Think, 2). See - When thinking - Think of Bhagvan's Vibhuties (Glories, Chapter 10)- When seeing - Visualize Vishava Roopa (His Cosmic Form) everywhere (Chapter 11) || Ram Ram ||

Humble regards,Madan Kaura------ 1. Trust what has been told to you. And Just Surrender!...2. Next, have patience without any doubt......3. park your all questions somewhere....including "i am Gods....."4. Don't think about acceptance or non-acceptance....5. Keep knowing more about wisdom of life / spiritually.....you Self It is simple but our mind makes it very complicated.....Let the mind rest....you will get there....where the questions dissolve.....the state of oneness....

Sushil Jain -----------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Swamiji has made very profound statement which comes from his own experiential understanding of himself, Self, and God. Only then one can make such a statement as "I am God's and only God is mine"! Acceptance of this truth is not a theory, but it could be provisional acceptance in the beginning with tremendous Trust and relentless pursuit through sadhana. This will result in flash like glimpses of our own true nature, and the meaning of Self and God being the same as I am. This is what is spoken of in BG ch 2 at length. Acceptance by Self means we need to know that we are Self-Atman-Pure Being only, but have forgotten due to ignorance(identification with body-mind) creating a false sense of "me". There is only Self, and thus acceptance is by Self only; "me' is never going to accept it as it spells death to it. Acceptance "I am God's, and only God is mine" as often as we remind ourselves, helps us regain our lost memory of always being God-realized-Self.Namaskar.........Pratap Bhatt--Jai Shree Krishna Pawanji has asked a very good Q. Such Qs give momentum to Satsanga. Basically no efforts are needed in acceptance advocated by Swamiji. It is a KARAN NIRAPEKSHA SADHAN- sans mind/ego/intellect/body/inert. It is made by SELF. But in practical terms I would still say : First ponder over DOOSARO NA KOI. Is there any one of you? If you , by the help of intellect/mind able to fully understand that there is no one of yours , in other words, if you are firm in negating the importance of world from deep within ....the acceptance of Paramatma as yours will be automatic! Difficulty is not in Accepting " Only God is mine, I am of the God"...difficulty is in negating.. Doosaro Na koi. Hence , in my humble view, first concentrate on removing the importance of inert, worldly pleasures from your psyche. Think ! Read Swamiji's books...and ascertain even by application of inert mind... whether world is yours? Once DOOSARO NA KOI is clear to you, it will be very easy for you to accept "Mere to Girdhar Gopal" . You see to say MERE TO GIRDHAR GOPAL is easy, but not to deviate from it is rather challenging. Hence stay tuned to deliberations on this thread. We are fortunate to be having among us some very knowledgeable students of Swamiji's teachings ....they all will help you in this. Swami Rupesh Kumar

 

Ram Ram,

Although I am trying to explain you as per my understanding, I am not sure whether I will be able to succeed or not.

As per Swamiji's quotation from Gita, and he also emphasized many times that whatever you are seeing which is not existing at any moment, is not going to be there for all the moment. Also there is a continuous extinction of this world which we are seeing, but our understaning ( or in other words, the power of understanding) is not getting extincted. This knowingness is trivial to everyone, and this itself has to be worked upon.

Nasato Vidhyatey Bhavo, Nabhavo Vidhyatey Sataha (there is continuous extinction of this world, and what you are in never getting extincted, truth always remains).

"Nahi so sundar hai sada, hai so sundar nahi,nahi ko parkat dekhiye, hai so deekhat nahi"

You this theory has to be practiced that whatever is getting finished or extincted, was never there and will never be there and so one should not waste anymore time working upon it.

In a nutshell, whatever has ever extincted was never there and no one can even claim his propritership on it. And this understanding or knowingness is always there. This primary belief has to be strengthened and only then you can claim for learning the path of reaching to God.

Jai Siya Ram!!!

- Kuldeep Chaturvedi

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Those who accept "I am only God's and only God is mine" are very advanced personalities and rare. As I am far from reaching this goal, it is difficult to comment this.

"I am Rams" means following:- I would be in samta in all material circumstances because I am not this matter and then, why worry about it. cinta deen dayal ko man sada ananda - Ram has all our worries and I am always happy.- Praise or dishonor does not matter. I am Ram's and ultimately, Ram's views matter. If I did something wrong which will make Ram unhappy, then I should accept it and fix it. Otherwise, other people's views don't matter.- Diseases, bodily comfort and pleause don't matter. The body in which I live belongs to Ram. I am supposed to take good care of it. Ultimately, it is Ram and I should be in samta. - I am supposed to take care of family but ultimately they are Ram's and Ram is supposed to take care of their welfare. I get worried about family if they get late etc. Why should I worry if Ram is taking care of them? I should do my best and then, leave it on Ram.- I should do my karma as service to Ram and then, leave everything to Ram.

Few ways to increaes our acceptance of this:

- When I do jap, I repeat with the feeling that I am Ram's, Swamiji quotes Tulsidas quite often in naam jap - hohi ram ka japu. Tulsidas says that "Ram ka ho kar jap kar na chahiye". I keep on saying during jap - "Ram, I am Yours". This is very powerful.- When I reach office, I play if possible Swamiji's bhajan (meh to hamare ramji ka.....). It is 4-5 mins bhajan and it sets my mood before working. At work, it is easier to get agitaged. So, it is helpful to start work with it.- At night, look at whole day, Did I accept that I am Ram's? Was I agitaged by dishonor? Was I agitated by material loss or money? Did I do my job properly as service to Ram? and so on.

Gaurav Mittal

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Dear Sadak Pawan,Just get audio and video material on saints, puranas, and scripts. Say for instance: One can get Bagavat, Geetha, Video on Gnaneswar, Sant Sakubai, Sant Tukaram etc. Concentrate on the leelas of Bagavan, slowly you will start loving HIM and slowly HE (God) enters in you and rest leave it to HIM and relax. your heart will be filled with Bakthi and you will loose attachment even on family members. I did this since 12 years and I have large library on almost all puranas and saints. The library is so vast if one listens daily 4 hours he can be in divine touch within 5 years.B.Sathyanarayan

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Shri HariRam RamHow I can accept I am God's and only God is mine ? Acceptance theory of God realisation of Swami Ramsukhdass ji maharaj is very important, I know this but I am not accepting "I am only God's and only God is Mine." If I had accepted "I am only God's and only God is mine", then I would have realised God.

What should I do to accept I am God's and only God is mine? It is only when the Acceptance is by the Self that "I am only God's and only God is mine" that leads to God realisation.

Guide me what efforts i should do for acceptance of "I am only God's and only God is mine."

Thanks & RegardsRam RamPawan Kumar Singhal

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Although I have participated twice in this Satsang,observations of Moderatorsopen New Vistas of thought helpful to understand the stand taken by Geeta in thematter of Acceptance.Verse 39 of Chapter 10 reads like this: Yat cha apibhootanam,Beejam tat aham Arjuna, Na tat asti Vina yat syat maya bhootamcaracharam. I have used this verse and many other verses of this Chapter,tomeditate on workings of Nature.As soon as there is Sun-rise,work of absorbing carbon dioxide and producingOxygen starts immediately.If this process does not happen for few days,scientists say that levels of Carbon Monoxide will rise to an extent toextinguish all forms of life. So I accept even a blade of Grass as God'srepresentative to help me to live.When we see the rain water which is pristine pure,we again see grace of God inthe form of pure water; if the water is impure, there would be any number ofwater-borne diseases.So sea is my friend to provide free pure water. Sarsam apiSagarah.Wind direction changes to North-East, so that millions of gallons of pure waterare transported to parched plains of Rajasthan,Punjab and ultimately Himalayas.So wind is our friend which supports life.Marichihi Marutam Asmi.Then the mother earth with the help of pure air,water and air starts producingmillions of tons of food for human beings as well as animal kingdom. TasmatSarvagatam Brahma,Nityam Yagne Pratishthitam.

Oberving and thinking on Positive role of Nature in supporting Human Life, sothat we can strive for our Spiritual Progress, we start with accepting everyworking of Nature as Divine and end up with Respect. This reasoning makes usexperience that God is for everybody which includes me and in the processinvites all of us to be like Him i.e I am God's and God is mine.Only this is notlimited to my small self but encompasses whole of Humanity.Jayantilal Shah

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Dear Pawan

 

Appreciate your sincerity in asking question.When you know what should be done and still cannot do, believe me ,nobody will be able to guide you.And you will have to find your own way.

 

Too much theoretical knowledge about swimming,cycling will not help you to do the same.

 

All desires causes sorrow and your desire is supreme i.e. God realisation and so there will be more

and more sorrows all around.

 

Which God you are referring to.That God you will not find.There is no such God.First find out the God who will own you. Dear friend,the God is all around us and manifests every moment through different people,animal, trees.

 

There is nothing which is not God.God is every moment of life.

Practice acceptance of people around you even those who creates problem for you or causes sorrow for you. Accept all situation as God.See the presence of God everywhere and in everything.God will come forward with extended arms to welcome you and say"now, I claim you are mine"

 

Without love and regards for you and all other Sadhaks of this group , could not have written this message.

 

With love

 

Ashok Jain

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-Shree Hari-Nameaste!Pawanji,You asked the question:Guide me what efforts i should do for acceptance of "I am only God's and onlyGod is mine."Now you have much learned discourse from Sadhaks, the trouble is, the realquestion's; `what efforts'?Now the way I read your question is you respect Swamiji, you are well enoughread, so you have the academic knowledge, but not the experiential knowledge.You see, `what efforts', is the wrong question, what efforts do you need tosurrender, I cant tell you with words what will remove that block you have.The first time I ever read Gitaji, I was in a hurry, but what stuck in my mind,was Chapters 10 & 11, even though I had spent my whole adult life in technology,these chapters had a strange logic, the seed was planted; revisiting Gitaji someyears later the seed has been nurtured and is growing.So maybe you might find it useful, to read the Bhagavad Gita , with a lightheart, like a child for the first time.Maybe that will start to break down your ego.Don't tie yourself up in a knot.With Respect and Divine Love.Mike Keenor

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Hari OmRight you are Neetishji ! In fact to who else we can belong to ? It has to be HIM only! Why ? Because He never leaves us ! The world never associates with us! He never disassociates with us. Even in hell or in heaven He shall be with us. In "connection" with world, there is constant "disconnection" ! It is our direct experience ! Nothing is static ! But connection with God never ceases. The goal of human life is to realise this Truth. We are not able to do so because we erroneously presume "permanency" in world. If we think deeply, we shall find world to be ever changing and ourselves and God to be never changing. This realisation will immediately result in "dispassion" ( vairagya) as our desire to get "pleasure" out of worldly things/ people and hoarding/mineness ceases the moment the world is perceived as "temporary" ! It is a law. We say, we read, we talk but we don't really believe that the world is ever changing; hence temporary; hence transitory; hence non existent; hence mithya/false ! It is precisely therefore that Gita starts with distinction between temporary (Jagat) and permanent (Jeeva/soul).Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B

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Dear Sadaks,"I am God`s and God is mine" term itself is not clear as far I think. Aham Bhramasmi- I am part of God. Name Baktha says Sri Krishna-means ME and my Baktha are one and the same. Sat Tukaram said, "There is NO difference between me and Vital". Sant Meera said, "Dosra Koyi Nahi" What all this means. Bagavan in Geetha has said that my Baktha and ME are one and the same- No two. So I am God`s or God is mine means you are part of God and God is Part of you. This does come by accepting in mind or by Sadanas. But this happens by HIS grace when one is deeply immersed in Bakthi in spite of perils in life.Many sadaks have compared wife-husband, child to mother Etc. All these are Prameyam (Objects can be felt or seen).Besides, mother does throw child in dust bin (earlier came in posting), husband and wife divorce, sister and brother fight and separate Etc. That which is Prameyam, human mind easily accepts and rejects the same in trouble.Bagavan has said in Geetha- That I (God) will not be in yogi heart, but I (God) will be with True Baktha. Secondarily, HE has also said HE is Apprameyam (Not see able by eyes, nor by senses). When such is the case where no pramanam about God, man easily does not accept God. God is beyond all objects and senses Bagavan HIMSELF says. But the Bagavan says I (God) is SULABAN - means easily attainable. Though both are contradictory, it is fact. By Yagna, Tapas Etc HE is difficult to realize. But by Bakthi HE is easily realizable. Evidence is only Bathas.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

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Shree Hari Ram Ram

Sadhaks based on Sathyanarayanji's comments, kindly suggest what is the best translation for -

"MEIN KEWAL BHAGWAAN KAA HI HU,

KEWAL BHAGWAAN HI MERE APNE HAI"

From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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ah, dear sadhakas ,

 

only that is mine ..... which is my experience .....the rest is heresay .......... intellectual understanding ...........that we very much love to abide in, and often wrongly think that it is 'ours', BUT it does not become experience , does not become 'conduct' in action............does not become satisfaction of experience !!!

so narinder can only speak about his own experience .............which is .............. when the 'me 'and 'self' become one , there is Silence ( it cannot be otherwise )........... when this silence is experienced , this is also called the blossoming of Meditation .............. because , after this experience ,' words' speak to oneself ............... they reveal the true meaning ..... and words of the enlightened ones, who have eexperienced this silence , take the reader or listener into the Silence . . This silence is also called the death of the ego or 'me'..........

in silence are the words heard, in silence spoken, to lead the self ( the seeker) into the self that is silence in this context , naga narayana jees words below lead narinder into that Silence .......... death ..........but that can only happen to one, who has experienced death ( Silence ! ) ..............that truly is the Paradox ....... the catch 22 , Ah !!!!

To start the quest from within ... to sustain the quest … to quench the questwithin … am I not His? Is He not Mine? ... Yes! I am! ... Yes!! He is!! … whenI am His and He is Mine, who am I and who is He? … am I not He and is He not Me?... When there is ONE as anything and everything, where is the identity andwhere can be the ownership? ...

Relish the very quest "Who is who and who is whose?" as it raises ... as itgrows ... as it dies ... experience the raise, the growth as well as the deathabsolutely as they are and as you are ...

AUM

narinder bhandari

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Jai Shree Hari,There is a great power in accepting "I am only God's and Only God is mine" for an aspirant which is not a hypothesis but the TRUTH itself. Since, we are used to accept things from very beginning so by accepting the TRUTH as only TRUTH can lead to the TRUTH. If we analyze, our whole life (personal, family, social, professional,...) it is based upon just the acceptance. What ever we are, it is just because of our acceptance (SHRADDHA MAYOYAM PURUSHHO YO YACHHRADDHA SA EVA SAH - Gitaji 17/3). The only mistake we have done is that we have accepted many unreal things (BAHUSHAKHA HI ANATAASCHA ... Gita ji 2/41) in wrong way though we might be claiming to hold the thread of true acceptance. As soon as, the acceptance of "I am only God's and Only God is mine" becomes one and only one (i..ANANYA), this acceptance becomes realization i.e. TRUTH. If the question is how to increase the level of this acceptance, to me, the easiest solution seems "put this acceptance in the center of all your thoughts/activities to convert it into the realization."

May God bless us all!Niteesh Dubey

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!I am inspired by Vyasji's comments on Nagaji's post, and equally by Jayantilal Shah's comments on Jeeva being Ishwara ansh.Acceptance of only "God is mine" by Self is difficult in the beginning because we have not investigated Self and God as to what exactly they mean to me, the self!In case of mother-child, wife-husband it is easy because mother knows her child 9 months before arrival being her part and unmarried woman knows she is getting married to a man. Both are understandable by mind and sense organs. God and Self have different understanding and this is why it pose some difficulties, specially to the beginers, and for ones given to inquiry/self-knowledge. This point has to be remembered so while accepting one continues to burn with desire to know God. What is God and who is Self that accepts, now that I accept it per Swamiji's advice. It is the beginning of Gyan-Bhakti-Karma-Yoga and culminates in acceptance with full understanding that only God IS this Self, not two!Only then such statement become living truth, and one says "oh now I understand what Swamiji is saying!"Regarding Jeeva being the Ansha, I would say That which truly IS, is not ansha but the Whole! Body-mind organism has limitations as limitations are inherent in manifestation, but That which IS-Atman-Brahman doesn't have any parts, it is undifferentiaqted Absolute Existence-Unmanifest-Consciousness(sat-chit). It is our own experience as we read these lines now, but "me" robs this experience from SELF! "me" is separation!Namaskar...............Pratap Bhatt

 

 

 

 

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Hari Om

It is so nice to read so many good responses from different sadhaks. The message of Mr Naga Narain is meaningful, crisp and focussed. It is worth carrying forward.

Indeed, a sadhak should strive to change "me" and "mine" which basically constitute "ego" ! Address any one of "me" or "mine" ( Ahanta or mamata) !

"Me" - who is this I ? Not the name, not the occupation, not the body, not any organ of body, not the mind or intellect ! What is this "I" ? "I" is "self" ! What is this "self" made of? Who is this "self"/soul/ Atma? BG 15:7 - Exclusive Ray of Paramatma ! Hence "Me" is Paramatma ! Hence "I" is Paramatma !!

A Jnana Yogi eliminates totally every other "me" and places "Self" as real ME !! AHAM BRAHMASMI !!

How to realise/experience that "me" is now "God" ? Find out what the God is made of; what attributes He has ! Adopt them .... logical ?? Yes ! No doubt on that. What is that most common and advocated attribute of Scriptures which belongs to Paramatma ? Unanimously ---- SAMATA (Equanimity) ---- BG 2:48/9:29/13:27 etc. Hence "Equanimity" is the junction.

That is how a Jnana Yogi lives what Mr Naga has stated.A Jnana Yogi ignores "mine" totally , believing world to be a part of "Nature" and believing him "self" to be beyond the same. He concentrates only on "Me" !

A Bhakta first addresses "mine" instead of "me" !! He does not "eliminate" the ego completely, he "changes" the ego and simultaneously/ later on through "mine" reaches / addresses "me" ! He thus addresses both "me" and "mine" ! Hence, for him - result is VASUDEV SARVAM.

A Karma Yogi only deals with "mine" and makes no efforts to reach "me" ! He "purifies" ego and removes impurities out of it . For him the "me" is "yagya shesh" (remnant of Duty/ Yoga ) ! He keeps on severing relations with world by "expectationless service"! In the end "pure self" remains behind.

Thus a Jnana Yogi deals exclusively with "me", Karma Yogi exclusively with "mine" - both concentrate on "disconnection" with Jagat. Bhakta deals with both.

Coming to the observation of Vasudev Sathyanarainji,a Bhakta, indeed, focuses on "connection with God" ( As Sathyanarainji stated) !! As a principle, you are on right path on both ways- either disconnect with Jagat or connect with Jagdish . Either "connect" with Him (Mere to Girdhar Gopal) or "disconnect from inert" (Doosaro na koi) !! But in practice, "nishedhatmak sadhan" ( prohibitory striving, negation, NETI, NETI ) is very fast and very productive.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B ----------Dear Sadhak, JUST ACCEPT--no efforts of any kinds needed in this.The closest example is of a mother-son. Does a mother need any effort to accept her son ?Only God is mine--just accept for once and alll...The problem is we say God is mine but we hesitate to say"ONLY God is mine". The minute we accept exclusive mineness with God, miracle happen. with Love,a sadhikaSadhna Karigar ----Shree Hari: Ram Ram. Swamiji said,"Don't consider that yours which you want to offer (arapan) to God." {vide his discourse on 11. 11. 2003 morning 5:00}. So the easiest and surest way is : I am not even 'mine'. That's all. This was his message to me, answer to my Question,"Bhagawaan ko arpan keise karen?". It worked wonder.Vineet,Sarvottam------------------I write this with due Humility and with my limited Anubhuti. Coming from JainTradition where concept of God is absent but not denied, it created a strongconfusion in my mind for a long period. When During my college life I decided tolive an ethical life due to inspiration from Swami Vivekanand and Gandhiji,toomany problems arouse for which I soon reached a point of no-return -period wentfor few years - I started getting distinct divine help from unknown corners andthis being true,there was no alternative but to work on living faith in God.Verse you have pointed out was known to me; I interpreted this in my own waythat God within is the same in quality as the Cosmic Energy/Intelligent InfiniteConsiousness but unable to merge with that Infinity because it is bound byAvidya/Ego.When I saw many Bhakti Margi Sidhha Yogis in Gujerat drawing from that InfiniteReservoir,I came to the conclusion that as God within and without are same inquality but different in quantity,this energy of Paramatma can be harnessed bydoing the internal work of dissolving Ego.Ansha is complete in all respect asSarvansh and also got some confirmation from Isha Upanishad: Purnam Adah,PurnamIdam.Once again I wish to point out that what is stated is from my subjectiveexperience in the sprit of Sharing than discussing.Hence it never struck me to interpret Mama Eva Ansha as my part; it alwaysbecame I am the part of the whole. With Gratitude,Jayantilal Shah---------------------------

Namaste to Respectful Gita Talk Moderators,

This is what you posted: Satyanarayanji your statement "even Sant Meera, she said DUSRO when? Only when she reached the heights of Bakthi." Is this your understanding, or have you read this somewhere? As we understand, the acceptance of "dosero na koyi" was immediate, from day 1, with Sant Mirabai, just like a newly pronounced girl accepts her groom only as her husband immediately, and no one else as her husband.

Sant Meera at very young age she met a Guru who gave her Upadesh. She started her love for Bagavan from that tender age. Only as she grew her love for Bagavan grew multi fold as she was been told leelas of Sri Krishna. She was blessed with a idol of Sri Krishna at young age and her heart melted saying that Oh Krishna there is NO one else in my heart other than YOU (God). In Her earlier birth she accomplished wonderful sadana.

Jai Sri Krishna

RAMA RAMA Hara Hari

Baiya Sathyanarayan

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Mr. Singhal,To the best of my knowledge, Bhagwad-Geeta does not say that I am God's; howeverit says that you are God - same as Krishna. Aham Atma Gudakesh Sarva BhutashayaSthitah Verse 20 Chapter 10. All that we have to do is to surrender our Ego atthe feet of Krishna Bhagwan by saying that 'Shishyas teham, shadi mam twamprapannam 7/2. Progressively, we will feel the presence of Shree Krishna in ourheart. Steps are outlined in verse 23 Chapter 13 which read as'Upadrashta,anumanta cha, Bharta,Bhokta,Maheshwarah,Paramatma iti cha api uktah,Dehesmin Purushah Parah. These progressive steps can be taken as a discipline ofAdhi Yagna oulined in Chapter 8 verse 4 'Adhiyagnah ahamevatra,dehe DehbhrutamVara.When we are God in Essence which can be manifested by the above steps and also by detailed guidance as given in various Chapters of Bhagvad-Geeta, there is no question of God is mine (per my understanding). Jayantilal Shah

Shree Hari Ram Ram

J. Shahji - You say - Bhagwad-Geeta does not say that I am God's, then please explain your understanding of -

"Mamaivaamso jivaloke jeevabhootah sanaatanah" (Gita 15:7). "In this world, the Self (Atma) becomes an embodied Soul (jeev), though being a part (fragment) of My Eternal Self (Paramatma, Supreme Consciousness)." MAMA EVA = IS MINE ONLY ; ANSH = (FRAGMENT / PART / RAY OF CONSCIOUSNESS)

How is this any different from "I am only God's and only God is mine" ? Ram Ram

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Priy Pawam ji

I can feel what U want to say. Its not only with U. Every body has this prob. Even todays so called saints & gurus do have it.I like one thing that u said saying again & again one day it will accept. Thats true but u had the courage to tell it on this forum.Thanxraja gurdasani

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Read details of the slogan 'Aham Brhamasmi " I am brahma. that I am as good as God.But its power capacity is limited for us.We can be as good as almighty God if we do penacia like rushis in the deep forest.If we consult our inner self,we can be successful.When we reach higher consciousness,we can reply in view of our inner power known as intution which directs us to a right path.When we have this power of intution,we can know other's mindsThis is my experience. My best wishes to all who reads this email Truly yours Shankerprasad S Bhatt-

There are TWO suppositions here---one is correct and the other one is not. I am God's is fine. God is mine is also OK, but God is only mine is wrong. Since Everyone says that and therefore. Everyone is God's and God is in Everyone of us.

Durgesh Mankikar,MD --------------------------------I happened to hear lecture by Swamiji today which explains this topic very nicely. Lecture is 1991oct04_1630hrs.

http://www.swamiramsukhdasji.org/swamijicontent/ and select date range and the specific date and time.

I will request sadhaks to hear this lecture to increase the understanding that we are Ram's and Ram is only ours. Gaurav Mittla------------------------------

Jai Hanuman

It will not be an exaggeration to state that creation is all a matter of "acceptance" ! Acceptance(Rejection) is therefore key not only in spiritual matters but in every other matter ! This "acceptance" has to be rightly placed. The power of acceptance is the ONLY power which Jeeva has got, fundamentally at SELF level. (Sadhaks may seriously ponder over this) . It is always effortless and requires no help of body, mind, intellect etc. Self has only this capacity. Rest everything is in the regime of Prakruti ! This power/ability of acceptance is stated in scriptures as faith/devotion/trust/belief , etc !

When you make a wrong acceptance, the remedy lies in rejection of that acceptance ! That is called "tyaag" (Renunciation). That gives you instant peace (Gita 12/12) ! Tyaag - is always of "other"- as a Law ! (You can't renounce what is yours - Can the Sun reject light out of it ?). But then the other was never yours ab-initio ! It is not yours! It will not be yours! It is not possible for "other" to be yours ! But it still appears to be yours !! You are still bound by it ? WHY ? Because of "acceptance" placed wrongly. You have "accepted" ... Doosara (other) to be me and mine !!

Hence key is "acceptance" ! You have to address this "acceptance", if placed wrongly !! Remedy- TYAAG ! Accept - Doosara Na Koi !! That in fact is real TYAAG !!!

Namaste Jee

Jee JeeShashikala

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"Acceptance" referred is effortless because you are already God's and in reality only God is yours. Problem is that it is not "exclusive" from your side ! We are not able to eliminate dependence/desire of "doosara" (other; prakruti; Jagat -mind/intellect/ego/body). So long as that "doosara" is not renounced; exclusive relationship with God can not be said to have firmly "established" from Jeeva's side.Hence: ONLY God is mine ! Hence: DOOSARO NA KOI !

From God's side the relationship is ever established- as one sadhak stated, God has no ability to "disconnect" with Jeeva ! Similarly, whatever efforts Jeeva may make, you have no ability to "connect" with Jagat. In fact, you are ever "disconnected" with Jagat and ever "connected" with Jagdish.

"Connection" is established necessarily by accepting "me" and "mineness" with some one.

The problem lies in "wrong acceptance/assumption"(Me/mine) at present- whereby you have assumed ASAT to be "me/mine" - by "bhavas" (SELF):-

1 you have "assumed" at present disconnection with Jagdish

( if you have not assumed at present disconnection with Jagdish, why did you raise the Q ? Why do you want to connect yourself with Him? Why this desire to connect with Him has arisen? )

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2 you have "assumed" connection with Jagat.

(Otherwise why you are eager to disconnect yourself with it? Why do you want to change? Why do you want to establish mineness with Paramatma? )

Hence "Sat" has been not accepted and "Asat" has been accepted. Thus you have made wrong acceptance.

It is a law that any acceptance previously made ( Here-Connection with Asat) can be cancelled/left/negated/renounced ONLY by making a reverse/opposite acceptance (Here- disconnection with Asat) . What is that reverse acceptance now you should make ? DOOSARO NA KOI !!

That a "desire" has arisen in you to make "correct assumption" - your desire is "auspicious" (Subhecchha) and has become SATSANGA- and is not thus a worldly desire ! Keep this desire (Abhilaasha) burning in you. Come back with practical challenges you face in the process. As Rajaji Gurdasani told: State where you feel difficulties in above ! What is so difficult in renouncing that with which you are ever "disconnected" ACTUALLY, and your connection with it is merely "assumed" ? Can you remain connected with Jagat ? If no, what is difficult in rejecting your connection (me/mineness) with it?

Simply accept the opposite - Doosaro Na Koi !! When you negate the wrong assumption; correct assumption is automatically/effortlessly made ! When you do not tell a lie, truth automatically gets uttered ! What efforts are entailed in speaking truth ?

Real acceptance is invisible. It is natural. It ceases to be different than you. It becomes part of you as "kaajal" becomes part of eyes! It is remembered without remembering. It is effortless. No "insistence" or "doership" is needed. It has no aid of inert- mind etc . It is "SELF made" ! It is truthful. It is SAHAJ ! It is SAT !!

Hence do - SATSANGA !! Why Satsanga? So that your acceptance remains firm ! Jeeva tends to get drawn/attracted towards Prakruti (BG 15:7/ 2:60) . However, if your desire is focussed, even God will help in stregthening your "acceptance"(7:21) !

Hence do Associate yourself with Truth; with SAT; with Paramatma- MERE TO GIRDHAR GOPAL by the path of "reverse acceptance" viz

DOOSARO NA KOI !!

Jai Shree Krishna

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Dear sadhakas,Hare krishna.

This is in response to a question from a sadhaka.

.. Lord Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita,

"Mamaivamso jiva loke,Jiva bhutah sanatanah. " ( Gita 15,7)

Which means" The living entities in this material world are My eternal fragmental parts. "

As the fragmental parts of the lord, the living entities have fragmental portions of His qualities. Independence is one such quality. If we misuse our independence, we become coditioned souls. If we use indepenence in right way ( devotional service), we become liberated.

Lord Krishna says in Gita,

"Yo mam pasyati sarvatra,Sarvam ca mayi pasyati,Tasyaham na pranasyami,Sa ca me na pranasyati. " Gita 6, 30)

Which means,

"For one who sees Me everywhere and sees everything in Me, I am never lost to him and he is never lost to Me. "

Krishna consciousness is the process of developing love for Krishna. Once we are in the loving, devotional service of Him, Lord Krishna always stays in our sight. Lord Krishna is also known as ' Bhakta Sulabha' which means it is easy to reach Him. Lord is easily accessible to his devotees. We are all His and He is all ours, once we are in deep devotional service.Sankirtana yagna or chanting of the Holy Name of the Lord is practical for this age.

Thank you,

Hare Krishna.

Prasad.A.Iragavarapu, M.D

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Sadak Pawan says, "First I have to try to accept DUSRO NA KOI (There is None Other / No One else is Mine)".

There are many child saints, woman saints and family saints. If you come to know there history you will know that DUSRO goes away automatically by Bakthi. Sri Krishna in Geetha mentions about Bakthi Marg. Only in Bakthi Marg chapter HE says "Name Baktha". Not for sanyasin or yogi. In Bakthi Marg you will automatically get released from thoughts of DUSRO. It happens- One cannot eliminate by his sadana. Just think of any saint, even Sant Meera. She said DUSRO when? Only when she reached the heights of Bakthi. Mostly all saints had love towards God from childhood. As they grew the passion for Bakthi it increased and people around them caused sufferings, but they were stead fast in Bakthi.One Example: Baktha Gora- Stamped his child in mud by accident. His wife became furious to throw away Vittal idol from home. Gora took axe to kill her. Imagine Gora son` s body was there, and Gora wanted to kill his wife because she insulted Vittal Moorthy. If I was there, I will remain silent for all the abuses and would have remained still if Vittal was to be broken (Thinking that It is after all Idol- God Omnipresent, God is all pervasive Etc as many sadaks say, let her do what she wants). There is vedio on Gora- see it and feel the deapth of Bakthi what Bagavan mentions in Geetha (Ananiya Chithayayome). Atleast desire to follow Gora foot steps- Bakthi comes by itself Jai Sri KrishnaBaiya Sathyanarayan Shree Hari Ram Ram

Satyanarayanji your statement "even Sant Meera, she said DUSRO when? Only when she reached the heights of Bakthi." Is this your understanding, or have you read this somewhere? As we understand, the acceptance of "dosero na koyi" was immediate, from day 1, with Sant Mirabai, just like a newly pronounced girl accepts her groom only as her husband immediately, and no one else as her husband.

From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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Question anything that poses as "You" or as "God" ... question anything thatclaims a relation with "You" or with "God" ... question the very identity ...question the very ownership …

How to "accept" by Self? How to realize that I am only God's and Only God isMine?

By realizing how I can never establish with whatsoever means that anything couldbelong to me or I could belong to anything else ... and, by realizing how I amnot whatever I think I am and how whatever that may claim to be me is not me ...till the Mine-ness as well as I-ness vanish completely in our presence ...

By realizing how anything that we can think of (as well as anything we can notthink of) IS NOT The God ... by appreciating at the same time how The God ISanything that we can think of and we can't even think of ... till the His-nessand He-ness is established all around as well as within ...

.... as the I-ness mitigates ... and as He-ness is revealed in everythingincluding the erstwhile "I" ...

.... as the Mine-ness mitigates ... and as His-ness occupies everything includingthe erstwhile "I" ...

.... when there is no "I" ... when there is no "you" ... when there is no "any"... And, when there is only He ...

.... what is Mine? ... and, what is His? ...

.... All is That and That is All ...

.... I am That and That is Me ...

.... I am All and All is Me ...

.... Sarvam khalu idam Brahma ...

.... Aham Brahmaasmi ...

.... Vaasudevah sarvam ...

To start the quest from within ... to sustain the quest … to quench the questwithin … am I not His? Is He not Mine? ... Yes! I am! ... Yes!! He is!! … whenI am His and He is Mine, who am I and who is He? … am I not He and is He not Me?... When there is ONE as anything and everything, where is the identity andwhere can be the ownership? ...

Relish the very quest "Who is who and who is whose?" as it raises ... as itgrows ... as it dies ... experience the raise, the growth as well as the deathabsolutely as they are and as you are ...

Respects.

Naga Narayana

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Nothing can one's mind accept unless one is convinced. Just go on testing the hypothesis that ' God is mine and I am God's" with your life experience of events, actions, results, etc.. Try to disprove this with as many instances as possible. The day when you fail to disprove the hypothesis, you will start trying to prove the hypothesis. God willing one day you will realize the Truth and able to prove it to yourself. There is no short cut, no uniqwue method. You have to rely on your on method of continuous teasting of the hypothesis. Basudeb Sen---- Shri HariRam RamMr.Raja Gurdasani replied and advising me to elaborate what exactly is stopping me from accepting God.Unfavourable circumstances disturb my mind which I know to tolerate (Gita 2.14) but not accepting these are temporary (Gita 2.16).Excuse me I am helpless.I know,I say but not accepting by self ( as described in prayer written by Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj Ji)I am praying Hey Nath Me AAP KA HU.By the grace of God it will happen one day that I will accept by self that I am Only God's and only God is mine.Thanks & RegardsPawan Kumar Singhal -------------------------------- God realisation is not easy. Ultimately it is our own effort. For this one must prepare oneselfthrough sewa, satsang, sadhna and meditation. A guru I know meditatedfor 5 long years. He was attracted towards spirituality and left homeand hearth to serve a guru and remained a brahamchari. Therefore thereis no quick fix and God will come to you only when you are ready forHim.Hari Shanker Deo Shree Hari Ram Ram Hari Shanker Deoji, How much tapas, sadhna, meditation, satsang was needed for a girl to accept the groom as her husband? Was there any doubt in her mind? Thereafter, did she ever wake up in the morning thinking she is still single? Did she go back and forth, running to her parents house thinking she is still single? Did she do more sadhna and tapas to remind herself that she is married to return to her husband? sincerely think about this... even acceptance of someone as Guru... how much sadhna and tapas etc does it take? From Gita Talk moderators, Ram Ram -----Shree Hari. Namaste,

......Its reality is only in and through and from Brahman , from THE reality,the only reality manifested in all these different forms. The forms keep comingand going and changing, the one reality the one WORD , the one truth ismanifests in all theses forms........ but you cannot get this insight as long as you remain on the merelyrational level. The rational logical is created to divide, to analyze, to breakthings up......Today in science they say the universe is a field of energy working atdifferent frequencies, and we are all part of this field of energies....... [Ex.From 'On retreat with Bede Griffiths'].

This was my thought platform that was triggered in my heart, before I read it,can you imagine how astounded I was when I started to contemplate the BhagavadGita, regarding the extract above can you see how real Gitaji is?Bhagavad Gita : 10-88. I am the source of all; from me everything evolves; understanding thus, thewise, endowed with meditation, worship me.Bhagavad Gita : 11-1818.You are the Imperishable, the Supreme Being, worthy of being known; you arethe great treasure-house of this universe; you are the imperishable protector ofthe eternal Dharma; you are the ancient Person, I deem.

Pawanji, You said: "Guide me what efforts i should do for acceptance of "I amonly God's and only God is mine."

You are inseparable from Bhagwan , so how can you be anything but GODS, and GOD is the eternal constant, thus; and only GOD is yours, no effort, just look into your soul Accept, nothing will destroy that acceptance, impossible!

With Respect and Divine Love,

Mike Keenor

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Priy Pawan JI

One thing is sure U dont have other option except accepting God.Second What is the problem in accepting the Truth?Please elaborate what exactly is stopping you from accepting?ThanxRaja Gurdasani ----Shri HariRam RamI am thankful to all of you which are showing way towards God realisation especially Gita-talk . THANK YOU! Comments by Sh.Sushil Jain, Swami rupesh kumar & Sh.B.Sathyanarayan and other have particularly been remarkable for me personally in increasing my deep desire for love of God. As I now understand - First I have to try to accept DUSRO NA KOI (There is None Other / No One else is Mine). Thanks & RegardsPawan Kumar Singhal----jay ho...... Rajneesh Gupta-----PRIOR POSTING

Shree Hari:Ram Ram. if you could read and believe in lines 13 - 14 on page 193 of the book Maanavamaatrake Kalyaanake Liye by Swamiji in Hindi.Vineet,Sarvottam. Lines 13-14"Bhagwaan mein bhi taakat nahin ki wah humaaraa sambandh tod de. Wah sarvasamarth hote hua bhi, hame chhodne mein asamarth hai." "Even Bhagwaan does not have the strength to break off our relation with Him. Inspite of being Almighty, He is incapable of leaving us." -----------NARAYAN ,NARAYAN, In English Body, senses, mind, intellect all in all belong to Paramatma, only by considering them to be ours we are trapped in bondage. You consider the mind entirely Bhagwaan's, then the modifications of the mind will not touch you. The happiness and sorrow arising in the mind, will not touch you. When everything is only Paramatma (God), and nothing at all is yours, then you have nothing to give and take from anyone. Do not consider the mind to be your own. Do not consider the intellect to be your own, do not consider the ego to be your own. This work either you can do right NOW, or you can do after years, or after life times. By considering and accepting all of these to be belonging to yourself, it the cause of birth and death. Do not consider these are yours - then there is no bondage. See Gita 7/7. If you want your salvation and betterment, then accept that which is the Truth - that everything is ONLY BHAGWAAN's. Try to inquire and get to know the Truth. This will not only improve your spiritual life, but also your worldly relations. Whether you accept today, or after many lifetimes, the Truth will be known, will be realized, it is inevitable. It is a rule. Read Gita 6/44. If you are unable to comprehend this message, then understand that it is the limitation of our understanding. There is no limitations in the Truth, the Essential Element (tattva). Everything is a manifestation of God. Ramchandra SHARIR, INDRIYA, MAN, BUDHI, SAB KE SAB PARMATMA KE HEIN INKO APNA MAN KAR HI HUM BANDHAN ME PADE HEIN.AAP MAN KO SHARVTHA BHAGVAN KA MAN LO THO MAN KE VIKAR AAPKO NAHI LAGEGE.MAN KE SUKH -DUKH APKO NAHI LAGEGE.JAB SAB KUCH PARMATMA HI HEIN APKA KUCH HEIN HI NAHI PHIR APKO KISI SE KYA LENA DENA.MAN KO APNA MAT MANO, BUDHI KO APNA MAT MANO,AHNKAR KO APNA MAT MANO. YE KAM CHAHE AAJ ABHI KARO CHAE VARSHO BAD YA JANMO BAD IN SAB KO APNA MAN NE SE JANAM -MARAN HOTE HEIN.UNKO APNA MAT MANOTHO KOI BANDHAN NAHI HEIN. DEKHE[ GITA=7/ 7]AGAR AAP UDHAR KARNA CHAHTE HO THO SACHI BAT KO SWIKAR KARLOKI SAB KUCH BHAGWAN KA HEIN.SACHI BAT KO KATNE KI BAJAY JANNE KI CHESTA KARO. APKA VAIVHAR THIK HOJAYEGA OUR PARMARTH BHI THIK HOJAYEGA. CHAHE AAP AAJ MANO CHAHEVARSHO BAD MANO. SACHI BAT ANUBHAV MEIN AAYEGI YE NIYAM HEIN.DEKHO-GITA-[6/44]AGAR YE BAT HAMARI SAMAZ MEIN NAHI AATI HE THO SAMZO HAMARI SAMAZ MEKAMI HEIN.TATAV ME KAMI NAHI HEIN.[sAB JAG ISHWAR ROOP HEIN] [RAMCHANDRA] Dear Sadhak, JUST ACCEPT--no efforts of any kinds needed in this.The closest example is of a mother-son. Does a mother need any effort to accept her son ?Only God is mine--just accept for once and alll...The problem is we say God is mine but we hesitate to say"ONLY God is mine". The minute we accept exclusive mineness with God, miracle happen. with Love,a sadhikaSadhna Karigar-Shree Hari|| Ram Ram ||Dear Pawan Kumarji, thanks for bringing up a very important question!Swamiji Maharaj in his discourses has emphasized the importance of this topic. Based on Swamiji's discourses:1. Pls. read Sadhak Sanjivani (Hindi or English, the explanation of Gitaji Verse (12-8)2. Recognize and accept fully that the major obstacles are in accepting "I am only God's and Only God is Mine" are:- Bhoga (desire for enjoyment) and Sangrah (greed for accumulation). - Our attachment to body, relationships and the world, - Desiring sukha (happiness) from the relationships and the world 3. Utilize all what we have for service of the world only4. Firmly accept and continuously practice Swamiji Maharaj's Panch-Amritas (5 Nectars):- We are God's only - Wherever we live, are living in HIs Darbar (court) only- Whatever good actions we do they are His actions only - Whatever pure ans auspicious we get are His Prasad (due to His blessings) only- With the gift of His Prasad, we serve His subjects only5. Accept that we cannot achieve our Goal on our own; pray to God to grant His love to us. 6. The deep desire for love of God, we stay restless till we achieve HIs love7. Generally we do two things, 1) Think, 2). See - When thinking - Think of Bhagvan's Vibhuties (Glories, Chapter 10)- When seeing - Visualize Vishava Roopa (His Cosmic Form) everywhere (Chapter 11) || Ram Ram ||

Humble regards,Madan Kaura------ 1. Trust what has been told to you. And Just Surrender!...2. Next, have patience without any doubt......3. park your all questions somewhere....including "i am Gods....."4. Don't think about acceptance or non-acceptance....5. Keep knowing more about wisdom of life / spiritually.....you Self It is simple but our mind makes it very complicated.....Let the mind rest....you will get there....where the questions dissolve.....the state of oneness....

Sushil Jain -----------------Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Swamiji has made very profound statement which comes from his own experiential understanding of himself, Self, and God. Only then one can make such a statement as "I am God's and only God is mine"! Acceptance of this truth is not a theory, but it could be provisional acceptance in the beginning with tremendous Trust and relentless pursuit through sadhana. This will result in flash like glimpses of our own true nature, and the meaning of Self and God being the same as I am. This is what is spoken of in BG ch 2 at length. Acceptance by Self means we need to know that we are Self-Atman-Pure Being only, but have forgotten due to ignorance(identification with body-mind) creating a false sense of "me". There is only Self, and thus acceptance is by Self only; "me' is never going to accept it as it spells death to it. Acceptance "I am God's, and only God is mine" as often as we remind ourselves, helps us regain our lost memory of always being God-realized-Self.Namaskar.........Pratap Bhatt--Jai Shree Krishna Pawanji has asked a very good Q. Such Qs give momentum to Satsanga. Basically no efforts are needed in acceptance advocated by Swamiji. It is a KARAN NIRAPEKSHA SADHAN- sans mind/ego/intellect/body/inert. It is made by SELF. But in practical terms I would still say : First ponder over DOOSARO NA KOI. Is there any one of you? If you , by the help of intellect/mind able to fully understand that there is no one of yours , in other words, if you are firm in negating the importance of world from deep within ....the acceptance of Paramatma as yours will be automatic! Difficulty is not in Accepting " Only God is mine, I am of the God"...difficulty is in negating.. Doosaro Na koi. Hence , in my humble view, first concentrate on removing the importance of inert, worldly pleasures from your psyche. Think ! Read Swamiji's books...and ascertain even by application of inert mind... whether world is yours? Once DOOSARO NA KOI is clear to you, it will be very easy for you to accept "Mere to Girdhar Gopal" . You see to say MERE TO GIRDHAR GOPAL is easy, but not to deviate from it is rather challenging. Hence stay tuned to deliberations on this thread. We are fortunate to be having among us some very knowledgeable students of Swamiji's teachings ....they all will help you in this. Swami Rupesh Kumar

 

Ram Ram,

Although I am trying to explain you as per my understanding, I am not sure whether I will be able to succeed or not.

As per Swamiji's quotation from Gita, and he also emphasized many times that whatever you are seeing which is not existing at any moment, is not going to be there for all the moment. Also there is a continuous extinction of this world which we are seeing, but our understaning ( or in other words, the power of understanding) is not getting extincted. This knowingness is trivial to everyone, and this itself has to be worked upon.

Nasato Vidhyatey Bhavo, Nabhavo Vidhyatey Sataha (there is continuous extinction of this world, and what you are in never getting extincted, truth always remains).

"Nahi so sundar hai sada, hai so sundar nahi,nahi ko parkat dekhiye, hai so deekhat nahi"

You this theory has to be practiced that whatever is getting finished or extincted, was never there and will never be there and so one should not waste anymore time working upon it.

In a nutshell, whatever has ever extincted was never there and no one can even claim his propritership on it. And this understanding or knowingness is always there. This primary belief has to be strengthened and only then you can claim for learning the path of reaching to God.

Jai Siya Ram!!!

- Kuldeep Chaturvedi

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Those who accept "I am only God's and only God is mine" are very advanced personalities and rare. As I am far from reaching this goal, it is difficult to comment this.

"I am Rams" means following:- I would be in samta in all material circumstances because I am not this matter and then, why worry about it. cinta deen dayal ko man sada ananda - Ram has all our worries and I am always happy.- Praise or dishonor does not matter. I am Ram's and ultimately, Ram's views matter. If I did something wrong which will make Ram unhappy, then I should accept it and fix it. Otherwise, other people's views don't matter.- Diseases, bodily comfort and pleause don't matter. The body in which I live belongs to Ram. I am supposed to take good care of it. Ultimately, it is Ram and I should be in samta. - I am supposed to take care of family but ultimately they are Ram's and Ram is supposed to take care of their welfare. I get worried about family if they get late etc. Why should I worry if Ram is taking care of them? I should do my best and then, leave it on Ram.- I should do my karma as service to Ram and then, leave everything to Ram.

Few ways to increaes our acceptance of this:

- When I do jap, I repeat with the feeling that I am Ram's, Swamiji quotes Tulsidas quite often in naam jap - hohi ram ka japu. Tulsidas says that "Ram ka ho kar jap kar na chahiye". I keep on saying during jap - "Ram, I am Yours". This is very powerful.- When I reach office, I play if possible Swamiji's bhajan (meh to hamare ramji ka.....). It is 4-5 mins bhajan and it sets my mood before working. At work, it is easier to get agitaged. So, it is helpful to start work with it.- At night, look at whole day, Did I accept that I am Ram's? Was I agitaged by dishonor? Was I agitated by material loss or money? Did I do my job properly as service to Ram? and so on.

Gaurav Mittal

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Dear Sadak Pawan,Just get audio and video material on saints, puranas, and scripts. Say for instance: One can get Bagavat, Geetha, Video on Gnaneswar, Sant Sakubai, Sant Tukaram etc. Concentrate on the leelas of Bagavan, slowly you will start loving HIM and slowly HE (God) enters in you and rest leave it to HIM and relax. your heart will be filled with Bakthi and you will loose attachment even on family members. I did this since 12 years and I have large library on almost all puranas and saints. The library is so vast if one listens daily 4 hours he can be in divine touch within 5 years.B.Sathyanarayan

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