A Question About the Significance of Dreams of a Departed Soul

December 3, 2009

Dear Shadhaks:

After a loved one passes away (in my case, my father), what is the significance

of the dreams that one gets about that person who has passed away. Is there a

relationship as to the type of dreams I get about the soul that has already

departed from this earth? Are there any references in Gita?

Hare Krishna

Harish Sharma

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December 4, 2009

Dear Shadhaks:After a loved one passes away (in my case, my father), what is the significanceof the dreams that one gets about that person who has passed away. Is there arelationship as to the type of dreams I get about the soul that has alreadydeparted from this earth? Are there any references in Gita?Hare KrishnaHarish Sharma

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Dear sadhaks how about what kinds of teachings we can get from bhagwan krishna from hisdiscourse what do we learn from passing away of a loved one how do we prepare ourself for strength building when a loved one passes away thanks dinesh patel--

Shree Hari Ram Ram

Equally the person who is dreaming is in a partial conscious state and externally projecting his thoughts. There is no proof of there being any relation with the deceased / departed soul. The indweller in the body, is said to be consciousness and is free of all doership and remains untainted.

So be it.

Vineet Sarvottam

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Dear Sadhaks:

I think soul does not depart..it is the perishable body which is made to depart by the law of nature.Why to talk about dream? If you look towards a clear blue sky with a blank vision you can see lots of bubbles which come from nowhere and vanish to nowhere in a tremendous speed.Can any body tell me what are these?

Barin Chatterjee

===========================================GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -FOR QUESTIONER1. The questions as far as possible must be relevant to Gita, relevant toDharma, relavant to other scriptures and relevant to motivate Sadhaks to take upspiritual path2. The Questioner must commit to daily Gita study3. Only one question at a time.4. Question must be brief, to the point and relevant to the group's primary aimof deeper understanding of Gita.GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES for RESPONDER: PLEASE -1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible.3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that theyfurther help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. Be as concise, to the point, respecting sadhaka's time.5. Focus on subject at hand only.6. Do not include links to the other sites; personal information (Ph #, addressetc) or personalize message to particular person7. All responses may not be posted and moderator at his discretion, may modifythe posting.8. Please keep in mind novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Limitthe use to Sanskrit words and provide English word bracketed.MODERATORRam Ram------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Post message: Subscribe: - Unsubscribe: -

December 8, 2009

Dear Shadhaks:After a loved one passes away (in my case, my father), what is the significanceof the dreams that one gets about that person who has passed away. Is there arelationship as to the type of dreams I get about the soul that has alreadydeparted from this earth? Are there any references in Gita?Hare KrishnaHarish Sharma

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Hari OmIn a dream your own mind 'becomes' everything which you see in a dream. If you see say an elephant in a dream sleeping in your bed room- the fact remains that no elephant ever entered your bed room. It is your mind which became elephant.... And became both 'scene' and 'the seer' and the 'seeing' ! Carrying forward this reality/truth ... You reach to a conclusion that dream is merely an unorderly play of mind only ... Later on as you think deeper you will find that Just: A Dream is a play of mind; Similarly: Waking state is also a play of mind only. There then remains no difference between a dream and waking state except 'duration', to some extent 'orderliness' and to some extent 'continuity'- former is short term, latter bit longer !! Former does not retain continuity but in 'waking state' the continuity of dream is retained for a longer period. Dreams are mostly 'unorderly' but in waking state an 'orderliness' appears. Looking back , however, all states are nothing more than a dream on all counts. Thus Ultimately- neither dreams are true (sat) nor waking state is true !! It is a fact - no two opinions about the same.

It is another matter that in this 'play of your mind alone' viz the dream (or for that purpose the waking state too) sometimes other players too can intervene. Such other players MAY include the departed souls/ Saints and Sages/ other spirits- living or dead too. Instances are narrated in Scriptures also of dead/living souls, God , Saints etc guiding/ warning/ comforting/ indicating/ pointing out future/past etc to you. Again they appear as a medium to make you 'reap the results of your deeds'- only as an exception not as a rule ! But most of the times it is your intensity of remembering them or inner 'vaasanas'. (fears/desires etc) that make your mind play the dream !Now come to your Q. Gita calls the waking, dream , comma, samadhi etc all as 'states' to be merely 'play of mind' and nothing more than that. They are 'asat' (unreal/non existent).Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B

ah, my friend ......................

stop trying to analyse your dream ..............

donot think of the dream and what it means ..............

worry Not about the meaning of the dream ....................................

self-created is the dream ................. self created , verily , is all.................

the waking state , too, is nought but a dream ................... ah !

self created is the Play of the self ............................. self -created for the Joy of the self

but alas ! .....

it is the self that eclipses the self and the Joy becomes just a moment between pains two a short respite from the suffering that Life continues to be .............

until the self , becoming a sadhak true, de-eclipses the Bliss that is your True nature, your nature true .... that is the Self ............... that is YOU ...

to arrive at Knowledge True about the dreams , while awake, or while in dream-state 'drop' the dream ................... and 'catch' the dreamer .............

to go still beyond ........ beyond the dream and the dreamer ...............

go beyond...... and 'catch (be)' the self , in which, arise the dream and the dreamer ...........aum

Wake up from the confusion of the wakeful, dreamful and sleepful states of yours to complete awareness to seek The Truth. Every state or path toward The Truth is a razor edge. Tread upon the state you choose (in this case, dreams) with care and clarity so that you stay on the path toward The Truth steadily.

how very beautiful, naga narayana jeeo .................aum !

AUM

narinder bhandari

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Those dreams we get of departed loved ones, is simply our inability tolet go of them completely. That is not in Gita, but it is a product ofus not being fully in the Gita yet. As per second half of Gita 2:11:BG2:11bThe wise neither grieve for those who have diednor for those who are alive.(It is the otherwise, who get infatuated, for better or worse, and endup with dreams, including day dreams. Just bare with them. They happenbecause of our interactions. They come and go. We read that in thefollowing verses):Bg2:14When the senses come in contact with sense objectsyou experience cold and heat,pleasure and pain.They come and go.They are not permanent.Patiently endure them, Arjuna!(â€˜Sensesâ€™ or â€˜sense organsâ€™ are mind, ears, eyes, nose, tongue, andskin. Sense objectsâ€™ are thought, sound, sight, smell, taste, andtouch).BG2:15One who is not affected by these sensations,remains calm in pain and pleasure,and is firm in resolve.He is ready for immortality!KST

Koti Sreekrishna

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Dreams … their significance …

Whatever thoughts were entertained while awake - knowingly and unknowingly - get mixed up with the desires and fears that have perculated into one's person and fire back in certain randomness to make up one's dreams. The thoughts that are entertained in higher frequency have higher chance for recurring in the dreams complying to the simple statistical frame of rules even in such randomness. Therefore, the intensity of the desires and fears associated with the thoughts dominate the frequency of the same and the recurrence in wakeful transactions as well as in the dreams. The randomness in the dream is due to the lack of the organizing force - volition - in the dreams.

Due to the randomness as well as complete lack of volition inherent in the dream, certain misticism is always associated with the dreams. I understand, humans have attributed some kind of futuristic predictive potential to the dreams naturally due to the perceived mystique in the very phenomenon. As far as my understanding goes, the occurrences in a dream cannot have a better potential of futuristic projections than their real world counterparts in the wakeful activities. If you are looking for "Swapna Phala" from an astrological point of view, you should probably consult an astrologist!

Then, is there no significance for the dreams? The significance of the dreams is invaluable to a truthful seeker. One, it brings out the subconcious tendencies (Vasanaas), which otherwise are mostly hidden or vague in the wakeful state, for one's observation to truthfully appreciate one's fears and desires and their abode, the ego, with better clarity. Two, it provides a platform for the seeker to appreciate the wakeful state in terms of dreamful state to draw parallels regarding the delusive and illusive nature in both. And, three, dream is the stepping stone toward deep sleep from wakeful state as well as to the wakeful state from sleep. Therefore, realizing the dreams in clarity provides clearer appreciation of the silence experienced in the deep sleep as well as the awareness experienced in the wakeful state. ManDukya sings in the praise of the dreams,

Swapnasthaanastaijasa ukaaro dviteeyaa maatraa | Utkarshaat ubhayatvaadvotkarshati | Ha vai gnyaanasantatigm samaanashcha bhavati | Naasyaabrahmavitkule bhavati | Ya evam veda ||

Dream is a double edged razor in cutting down ignorance as well as wisdom just like the razor which can cut the unwanted hair as well as the skin depending on the skill of the user. An individual chased by deasires and fears while awake is harassed by the same in further exaggeration in the dreams. A seeker who chases the desires and fears in the dream can possibly hunt them down while awake. A skilled seeker of the truth knows how to navigate the world of dreams as he has access to both the silence as well as the awareness in such a juncture. This is the juncture wherein The Knowledge floods in to establish The Equilibrium within forever. This is the juncture wherein The Awareness of The Silence starts pervading the very existence as well as the experience of a seeker. Therefore, the significance of the dreamful state from spiritual point of view is invaluable just like the other two states of wakefulness and sleepfulness.

Therefore,

UttishThata … Jaagrata … Praapya varaannibodhata |

Kshurasya dhaaraa nishitaa duratyayaa durgam pathastatkavayo vadanti ||

Wake up from the confusion of the wakeful, dreamful and sleepful states of yours to complete awareness to seek The Truth. Every state or path toward The Truth is a razor edge. Tread upon the state you choose (in this case, dreams) with care and clarity so that you stay on the path toward The Truth steadily.

Respects.

Naga Narayana.

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Dreams have no connection with reality and we should not read meanings into them. It is natural to recall a person who has passed away especially someone who is a close relation like a father. Also a soul never comes or departs because it was always here and will always remain. Only the form changes till such time when it is ready to unite with the Parmatma.

Hari Shanker Deo

Dear sadhaks how about what kinds of teachings we can get from bhagwan krishna from hisdiscourse what do we learn from passing away of a loved one how do we prepare ourself for strength building when a loved one passes away thanks dinesh patel--

Shree Hari Ram Ram

Equally the person who is dreaming is in a partial conscious state and externally projecting his thoughts. There is no proof of there being any relation with the deceased / departed soul. The indweller in the body, is said to be consciousness and is free of all doership and remains untainted.

So be it.

Vineet Sarvottam

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Dear Sadhaks:

I think soul does not depart..it is the perishable body which is made to depart by the law of nature.Why to talk about dream? If you look towards a clear blue sky with a blank vision you can see lots of bubbles which come from nowhere and vanish to nowhere in a tremendous speed.Can any body tell me what are these?

Barin Chatterjee

===========================================GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES: PLEASE -FOR QUESTIONER1. The questions as far as possible must be relevant to Gita, relevant toDharma, relavant to other scriptures and relevant to motivate Sadhaks to take upspiritual path2. The Questioner must commit to daily Gita study3. Only one question at a time.4. Question must be brief, to the point and relevant to the group's primary aimof deeper understanding of Gita.GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES for RESPONDER: PLEASE -1. Only responses that further clarify Gita message will be posted.2. Quote Gitaji/scriptures wherever possible.3. Limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the extent that theyfurther help in understanding the Gita shlokas4. Be as concise, to the point, respecting sadhaka's time.5. Focus on subject at hand only.6. Do not include links to the other sites; personal information (Ph #, addressetc) or personalize message to particular person7. All responses may not be posted and moderator at his discretion, may modifythe posting.8. Please keep in mind novices, youth, westerners, non-sectarian audience. Limitthe use to Sanskrit words and provide English word bracketed.MODERATORRam Ram------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Post message: Subscribe: - Unsubscribe: -