How will Mentally Disabled Person Achieve their Goal?

December 5, 2009

Dear Sadhaks,

In case of a (totally) mentally disabled person who can neither commit any sin nor any approach towards spiritualism, what will be the result in his /her next birth? How will the person achieve the goal?

Barin Chatterjee

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Dear Sadhakas,Hare Krishna. This is in response to a question from a Sadhaka. Lord Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita," Sarvasya chaham hrdi sannivisto,Mattah smrutir jnanam apohanam ca. "(Gitaji, 15.15)Which means,'I am situated in everyone's heart and from Me comes rememberance, knowledge and forgetfulness. 'Since Lord is already situated in our hearts, if we can get in association with Satsang, then we advance spiriritually. There are various ways of Serving the Lord, chanting, listening,worshipping etc. Chanting the Holynames is a simple process, with enormous influence on our spiritual lives. Any body can advance spiritually,if associated with the devotees. Thank you. Hare Krishna. Prasad.A.Iragavarapu,M.D

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

One who has attained knowledge of the Essential Element (tattva) and one who is totally mentally disabled, in terms of externally relating with the world they are _____ . That which remains can only be known by being in their state. Everything else is only our hypothesis and inference. You only let us know, that how can anyone else tell about what you are experiencing? When you yourself do not tell - "Who has understood the sweetness of a dumb person?" Therefore, O' Knowledgable Sadhak, you tell me how can we know whether some action is due to "praarabdh" (that which was destined to take place) or not? So be it,

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aum

blessed is God's creation ..............

flawless His Law..............

the 'totally mentally disabled '..............apparent (to you) is their disable-ment ...........

what the mentally-able may NOT see, is the inner churning they go through

towards expiation of their past accumulated karmas ........... and,

the churning and suffering of those around them, in whose care God places them .... ah !

having exhausted the debt of Karma, born again are they , with Light guiding them towards Light ......................aum

but you too have your karma linked with them................

yout thoughts, words, and deeds towards the not-so-blessed as you ...........

the Compassion and Kindness you show towards them .......................

this world is your Training Ground ..............

and, perfect is this Training Ground, perfect His Law ........have ye know

perfect is the Lord's Creation in Love and Joy !!!!

AUM

narinder bhandari

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Dear Mr. Chatterjee,

Interesting question! A totally mentally disabled person is a totally hypothetical situation. What we call "man" (mind) which even gave us the title man or human is simply a function of brain. Thus, you are referring to a person whose brain is not working totally- Coma? Such a person would not be born alive to begin with. However, it can happen, at some point in one's life. Certainly, the person will have done something (good and bad) previously- before (including the past lives) getting to that state for whatever reason. Let us say one had surrendered (BG18:66) in the present life (it has to be this life, if he had done earlier, he would not be born) and later met with an accident and becomes totally mentally disabled (Coma) and is on life support, eventually dies. He is liberated as per the promise an dpremise of BG18:66. If he or she has not surrendered, and ends up in coma, then the person will be rewarded in next life according to past baggage, including that accumulated until becoming comatose. In fact, getting to that state of mind (coma) itself may be a part of payment for past karma.

On a lighter note- all this business is for people with mind. I don't think a tree or table made from tree, ever thinks of liberation or religion!

In Gita, Lord says, whenever there is decline of Dharma and raising of adharma, God incarnates. When there is no dharma or adharma (Coma, Tree, table, jungle without people), no need for God. It is the human will, human problems, sorrows (death for example) as well as capacity to good and bad, created the need for God or something like that. Directly or indirectly, we are all affceted by it. Recall 9/11. We have sections called "Aranyakas"- forest Philosophy. Philosophy, probably that arose in human minds (of those whose mind was not completely dead) who had retired to forest or had not left forest yet (not urbanized yet). However, forest does not need any Philosophy, people, God or liberation.

Koti Sreekrishna

KST

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A totally mentally disabled person is a rare (Probability Low) product of God'snatural creative/ transformation system. Such a person may have problems andcause problems to others, but he also will be going through the furthertransformation process. No one need to worry about his inability of worship Godand engage in pious or sinful activity. For, no one is engaged in God worship orsinful or virtuous or pious activity and to whatever extent unless he / she hasbeen imparted the required Guna doses- combination. So, whether a person ismentally diabled or not, a person will do what his guna-properties make him dounder the circumstances he/ she faces. The objectives a person chooses is alsofully determined by the Guna-combination and the external circumstances faced. So, we need not worry. The worry originates in human mind about the future birth because of theassumption that there is a rebirth of a particular soul or atman. Such anassumption may be totally incorrect with the concept of God in Gita in whichAtma and Paratma are in the ultimate sense indivisible, indestructible andunaffected by anything that happens. If something like soul of atma isindivisible, how man we think in terms of different atmans having separateidentities like one of the mentally disabled person and me ? If we cannot thenthink of the rebirth of a particular atman A or B or C. Such a particularperson-identity oriented Rebirth theory is inconsistent with the Upanishad's andhenece Gita's essential philosophy. This is not to suggest that Purba Sanskriti or Atman taking different bodiesat different points of time is not consistent with the Gita's preachings. Alllife and non-life forms are composed of various elements : but they areultimately sourced and transformed from the original source material - Paramatmaor God. After death the body gets transformed in to some decomposed and newform, resulting in its properties transmitted and muted into the new materialform.organic matter: though in the ultimate sense all matter are physically onlycombinations of sub-atmoic elements and biologically cells. But Atman remainsunaltered after a body dies and remains an indivisible and integrated part ofthe Paramatma, the ultimate source of even the sub-atomic elements and cells orDNAs/RNAs or possible further infinitesimal elementals that we are yet todiscover. When a new life is born, the Atman implicit in that life and bodyassociated with it, cannot really be identified with a particular Atman that was implicit in a life/body that died in the past.However, in general most Hindus would not agree with my above interpretation.They will argue that Atmans have separate identities. Even if we accept that,there is need to find the ultimate souce of allthese Atmans. The only source canultimately be Paramatman or God. So, they will say that at some points Atmansmerge with Paramatman or splits away from it. But even then it is difficult tosay that the each atman retains its identity for ever. So, the kind of rebirththeory that makes one worry about the mentally diasabled' person's future life,is not consistent with the theory of Gita and therefore the worry does notreally exist and is based on a false notion.Basudeb Sen----

|| Shree Hari ||Ram Ram3rd December, 2009, Thursday, Marghshirsh Shukla Shashthi

(cont'd from 2nd December, 2009)

Let There Be No Delay in Pursuit of Your Goal

Any doubts about what was said yesterday? You may ask me if you have any doubts. On asking, the knowledge and understanding becomes clear and crisp. Human birth is only for spiritual progress (parmarthik unnati). It is not for sense enjoyments, not for material success - name, fame, rest, relaxation etc., but only for realizing the divinity, the Truth (parmarthik tattva). This birth has been attained, only for knowing about one's essential nature, for knowing about Divinity and Truth (parmaarthik tattva) therefore dont become contented. I had met a saint once, who said to me that he wanted that happiness that is not mixed with even an ounce of sorrow. There should not be even a whiff of unhappiness. I don't want any ordinary happiness. Where sorrow remains, what use is there of such happiness? Greatest sin of all is not having the aim of spiritual progress. On having attained this human life, and not attaining Paramatma is the worst of all sins.

Your present actions (doing), is not due to "praarabdh" (that which was destined to take place). ln worldly achievements you will never attain complete fulfillment. I am not saying become contented in doing (actions), rather I am saying that remain satisfied in what you have received. The fruits received by you are due to your praarabdh (that which was destined to come to you due to your past actions). But be very clear that new actions do not take place due to "praarabdh" (that which was destined to take place). This is a deep subject and you must be clear about it. What you indulge in, is not due to your praarabdh; rather it is new actions that you are engaging in. You reap the fruits according to your past deeds. But you do not commit new actions because of past deeds. What is received by you at present is not due to the work you are doing right now. You say that it is due to engaging in this trade, business that you have received this much money. That is not the case. This is a very important subject and must be understood correctly. You cannot say that if you have committed sin, it is due to something that caused you to commit sin based on your "praarabdh" (that which was destined to take place). Actions have to be performed, and these are independent of your past. What you receive is due to your past actions. I am saying this for the fourth time. One must do new actions, but remain happy in what is received (fruits) - Gita 2/47. You have no rights to the fruit. Therefore in receiving the fruit, one must be ever satisfied. This is deep, so listen once more for the fifth time. The deep message is that, you believe that there is a direct correlation in the actions that one performs and the fruits that he receives. This is not true. We say that it is because we sowed this seed, that we received the grains, well it is not the case. We say it is because we did so and so, we worked so very hard, that we are now so prosperous. We extend this idea further to saying that it is due to lying, cheating and stealing that we have made so much money. If we did not do so, we will be unable to survive in this day and age. Such beliefs are cause for ones downfall. The fruits you are getting today are not the fruits of the immediate actions. The money that you made from cheating and lying, is money that was destined to come to you due to your past actions "praarabdh". But the new sinful actions have been incurred by you and will certainly be new sins.

Man must never be satisfied by his own spiritual progress. Never-ever!!! The innate quest to know one's self must never be given up. Just like you want to go to Badrinath and on the way you find a beautiful rest area with beautiful flower gardens and fountains, you have tired of the walking and climbing, the very high and treacherous climb, you are sweating and on and on. But reaching Badrinaath is beyond such pleasurable rest areas or the painful treacherous path. "Vishraam" Complete repose i.e on reaching ones destination is full and complete in itself. Nothing further can be gained thereafter. There should be no stopping until it's attainment. Go all the way to Gangaji ! Those who are wealthy and are still engaged in acquiring more wealth are completely wasting their time. The path is not the destination. On attaining it, there is no possibility of attaining anything else. There should be no delay, no slackness, negligence, laziness (dhilaayi) in pursuit of this aim, this goal "udyog". Until you reach your destination, why must you stop? Favorable situations in this life (Sansaarik anukultaa) are not due to new actions and efforts on our part.

Our aim is only spiritual progress. Contentment is a great block and is not at all good. But what right do I have to question you when you say you are contented. How to become Bhagwaan's (God's) ? Simply cry in front of Him, just like a child cries in front of Maa… and Mother cannot help but pick him up. And don't stop until you behold Him. Just like Mirabai, let there be no sleep, no hunger, only uneasiness, only intense longing due to separation from her Beloved. Let the crying not stop. Such should be our state. This is an extraordinary point – where one cannot stay without his Beloved (Prabhu).

Narayana ! Narayana ! Narayana !

From discourse (partial) in hindi on April 24, 1991 at 5 a.m. by Swami Ramsukhdasji For ENGLISH WEBSITE please visit: http://www.swamiramsukhdasji.netFor full online discourses in Hindi: http://www.swamiramsukhdasji.org

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