What happens to a Soul when one commits suicide?

February 8, 2010

Please tell me, what happens to a soul when one commits suicide ?

Regards,Anupam Bagri

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

When someone has asked a somewhat similar question to Swamiji, he has replied -

Question: Whatever the man remembers at the time of death (at time of leaving his body), that he will attain, does this ruling apply to even those that commit suicide ?Answer: Yes! it applies to those who are commiting suicide as well. But for those individuals it is very difficult for them to be in rememberance of God (auspiciousness). This is because they are committing suicide out of deep pain and sorrow, but their desire remains to be happy. Secondly, when the life force is leaving them, they are repenting of their act, but they are unable to do anything about it. Thirdly, while life force is leaving them, they experience terrible and immense difficulties. If their inner feelings are pure, if they have faith in God, if they desire to remember God, then they will not do this terrible crime of committing suicide. Lastly, it is because the inner intellect is impure, that one thinks of committing suicide. Therefore those that commit suicide have a major downfall. Skanda Purana says that such persons do not attain salvation for several lives to come. Therefore intelligent persons, must never ever think of suicide even out of forgetfulness or mistake. From "Prashnouttermanimaala" in in Hindi page 94-95 by Swami Ramsukhdasji----------------------

This is not in the exact words of Swamiji, but we recollect somewhere in his writings that such a soul finds it difficult to get another body for being born and remains in a pending state, undergoing suffering for a very long time.

Please read, a similar discussion in the past on:

Why one must not commit suicide? at:

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Please read carefully and ask any further questions. Please do not hesitate. Human Birth is a rarity and it's significance needs to be understood. Such a rare form of birth may not come again for many lifetimes to come.

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February 11, 2010

Please tell me, what happens to a soul when one commits suicide ?

Regards,Anupam Bagri

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To take life is one of the greatest of sins, more so when that life happens to be one's own. Such a sinner will surely suffer the consequences of his sin in the next life. Also the reason of his birth, which is to attain salvation will be negated.

Hari Shanker Deo

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Hari OmNothing happens to the soul. But 'embodied soul' viz Jeeva committing suicide... suffers...suffers and suffers !!Pranaams to all sadhaks.Sarve Bhavantu SukhinahNarottam

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Conscious Existence manifests/perceives the world through senses-mind-intellect-Ego(Antahkaran) of an individual. This "individual" identifies him/her as this body-mind with a name as a part of growing up in the environment conditioned by family, society, nationality etc etc. Thus an individual is the product of environment and is bound by it.This very Conscious Existence of his/her carries the impressions(sanskaras) or conditioning and controls the thought patterns and actions of the body-mind throughout the life. Such consciousness conditioned with impressions is soul!Soul is thus Existence in ignorance of its true nature being Pure and Impersonal Existence whom impressions make no impact just as nothing ever happens to space when objects are created or destroyed!Essentially an individual is such a conditioned, limited entity, or subtle body/causal body residing as though, in that gross body. Subtle body is a body of thoughts, feelings, latent tendencies, deep rooted attachments, etc etc and causal body is subtler body of ignorance of not knowing that "I am undivided Consciousness"! Due to the Karmas done as an individual doer, Jeeva/soul is said to acquires new conditioning(karmas), strengthening its ignorance!Now when the physical body gives up for whatever reasons, natural death or suicide, the subtle and causal bodies as impressions on consciousness is said to leave and wait for reincarnation based on its sanskaras! Actually, upon Realization or removal of ignorance, it is seen that "there is only Pure Conscious-Existence, undivided, undifferentiated as various objects but giving the impressions of an individualized soul, which is not its Reality, its true identity". It is also seen that what re-incarnates is this impressions/conditioning through subtle bodies in which new physical bodies happens in a modified environments! KrishnaJi says as if soul is changing clothes and continuing as new body!Thus re-incarnation is not personal, its all an Impersonal process of recycling ignorance(Karmas)! In some birth, however, Realization happens and freedom from such limitations of body and sanskaras or conditioning is obtained! That Consciousness is never born nor can die to re-incarnate is called Jeevan Mukti or liberation! It is said that as if individual's Karmas are destroyed upon the Self-Knowledge.This is GRACE of GOD or GURU KRUPA or call it whatever names!In summary, Karmas, Sanskaras, conditioning of all mankind evolve through new generations, and yet Soul in its purity remain unborn neither coming nor going anywhere! Only bodies/objects/world come and go in IT!This is the reason Krishnaji says "I know all those births whereas you don't". He says this as Atman, Brahman, Consciousness witnessing the dance drama of Life as only THAT which continues knows the discontinuity of death!Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

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Shree Paramatmane Namah

Atma (Soul) is omnipresent (Gita 2:24) . By commiting suicide (which you are mistakenly calling it as "atmahatyaa" killing of the soul), that cannot happen. Neither the soul goes anywhere, nor does it come to some place, nor can anything happen to the soul. then why must one worry about this? So be it,

Vineet Sarvottam

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Mind is always in search for a formula to be secured, certain, comfortable.

Uncertainty is the functioning of the brain. Uncertainty is compounded when we do not accept uncertainty.

The compounded uncertainty gives rise to stress, anxiety.

Mind is under the illusion as if it can have or maintain a state of psychological comfortableness as

defined by it, that pleasure will cut the root of pain, that it can depend upon possessions, relations, money or the idea of God as a secured ultimate, that addition to the securities (possessions, relations) will keep the unknown at bay and so on.

Understanding the illusion is the dropping of the illusion.

One becomes one with the unending stream of Life.

Y V Chawla

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Nobody really knows the answer to this question, although many will speak as though they have the answer. As explained by Swami Dayananda---

In Drig-Drishya-Viveka, written by a person no less exhalted than Shri Shankaracharya-ji himself, has said that there is an ocean ( could be a river ), in which there is a wave, in which there is a bubble. When that bubble bursts, what happens ? The water element of that bubble merges with the water element of the wave and that of the wave will merge with the water element of the ocean. The air element of the bubble will merge with the air element around it. Whether the "same" bubble will be reborn as another bubble ? This is upto speculation and debate?

We would like to either not be reborn ( moksha ), or be born as good people, and the Law of Karma keeps us straight. After that it is all a matter of speculation.

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Durgesh Mankikar,MD

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

When someone has asked a somewhat similar question to Swamiji, he has replied -

Question: Whatever the man remembers at the time of death (at time of leaving his body), that he will attain, does this ruling apply to even those that commit suicide ?Answer: Yes! it applies to those who are commiting suicide as well. But for those individuals it is very difficult for them to be in rememberance of God (auspiciousness). This is because they are committing suicide out of deep pain and sorrow, but their desire remains to be happy. Secondly, when the life force is leaving them, they are repenting of their act, but they are unable to do anything about it. Thirdly, while life force is leaving them, they experience terrible and immense difficulties. If their inner feelings are pure, if they have faith in God, if they desire to remember God, then they will not do this terrible crime of committing suicide. Lastly, it is because the inner intellect is impure, that one thinks of committing suicide. Therefore those that commit suicide have a major downfall. Skanda Purana says that such persons do not attain salvation for several lives to come. Therefore intelligent persons, must never ever think of suicide even out of forgetfulness or mistake. From "Prashnouttermanimaala" in in Hindi page 94-95 by Swami Ramsukhdasji----------------------

This is not in the exact words of Swamiji, but we recollect somewhere in his writings that such a soul finds it difficult to get another body for being born and remains in a pending state, undergoing suffering for a very long time.

Please read, a similar discussion in the past on:

Why one must not commit suicide? at:

/message/1750

Please read carefully and ask any further questions. Please do not hesitate. Human Birth is a rarity and it's significance needs to be understood. Such a rare form of birth may not come again for many lifetimes to come.

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February 13, 2010

Please tell me, what happens to a soul when one commits suicide ?

Regards,Anupam Bagri

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Hari OmWhat mistake? Calling 'suicide' to be 'atmahatya' is not a mistake. God does not make mistakes. Humans make mistakes. In Gita - BG 13:28 , God says..... 'Na hinashtyatmanaatmaanam' - means.... do not cause violence to your 'self' (atma)! Now does not God know that 'atma' neither kills nor gets killed? Hence One must worry. This is too funny an argument that since you are immortal hence don't worry. It means- Commit suicide...you will get new body. No....Divine Sadhaks...I heard Swamiji saying that then you don't get human body again for ages and eons. IT IS A LAW - that if you mis-use any thing given to you by God / world/ Nature...by any body....you don't get that again. Because you MIS-USED.If you don't worry regarding as ghastly a sin as 'atmahatya' (suicide) then why the very emotion 'to worry' has been given to you ? Hence you MUST worry and properly utilise whatever has been received by you in human life! One MUST pay care and attention to the unique gift of human body given so benevolently by Paramatma to His children. If 'atma' is immortal that does not mean, the body is also immortal. By that logic- why one should not throw away every thing including own cloths, kith, kin, parents, money ? Why one should at all be worrying about duty and dharma? Where is need for 'discrimination' ? The freedom which a human being has got in human birth, residing in human body is not for mis-utilisation under the garb - I am not body ! It is not some toy. It is the junction through which you can even get Paramatma. You are not body, sure ! But has it not been given to you by Paramatma? Should you torture it? Should you kill it? God has given you a ladoo (sweet) ..should you throw it in dust bin and say : It is not mine, why I should worry ?Let there be a difference between soul and body but not indifference or disrespect to body ...merely because the former is indestructible. Sure, nothing happens to soul but 'embodied soul' has no rights to kill it ! Hence let there be difference between logic and arrogance, gyaan and agyaan. One should never MIS-USE any thing ! NEVER !! Pranaams to all sadhaks.Sarve Bhavantu SukhinahNarottam ---

My dandavat pranams to all.....

As the revered Ramsukhdasaji has said in the paragraph below, to commit suicide is a terrible crime. I have always heard from my spiritual preceptors that one who does this act is awarded the form of a ghost. Due to not having appreciation for the physical body, and not utilizing this gift for development of God consciousness, those who commit suicide are not allowed to have human body until the designated hours, months, and years of which they were destined to be in the previous body which was killed have been fulfilled. Thus, if one was meant to live 100 years, but commits suicide at age 24, then for 76 years he is destined to carry on as a ghost. Being in a ghost body is very unfortunate, for the desires that we all feel, such as to enjoy nice food, family life, affection.....these things can only be enjoyed with a physical body. Also, generally we see that ghosts are not allowed to stay in one place....they constantly move about in a very unhappy state..

I am sure that there are exceptions to this general rule, but as a standard punishment it is what I have understood. Perhaps just one story, which happened to my husband his first time in India, I shall share.....he told us how he was sleeping in a tent on top of the dharmashala.....in his sleep, he was seeing himself being dragged out of the tent, feet first. There were brahmin raksasa ghosts attempting to take over his body. He has recalled this story many times, telling how he was thrashing around, on the subtle level....his deities were knocked over, his tent was torn down...., he was physically (on the subtle level) trying to fight the beings who were pulling him out. Finally, he managed to call out "Nrsnghadeva"....and woke up....crying, screaming, terrified, dripping with sweat. He woke up everyone else that was sleeping up on the roof, and they came running over. One senior Vaisnava taught him how to place mantras at the different corners of his tent, so that he was not disturbed after that. But an experience such as he had is not one to easily discount. What was the reason they were trying to pull him, in his subtle body, out of the physical body? So they could take over that body.....ghosts WANT to have a physical body again....so the lesson is.....never, never commit suicide.

respectfully,

Maha laksmi dasi

AUM

it was in some scripture sometime somewhere

that narinder read the words

the words that remain etched in narinder's Mind

the words that keep him from the SIn of suicide ..............

and the words ..........................ah !!!

" Taking another's life is murder , and is punishable with Life

murdering your own Body, O Mortal ................

shall you escape Punishment ???? "

and elsewhere narinder did read .................

" Should despair seize you, should penury taunt you,

should no-one help you, should thoughts of suicide haunt you ............

commit suicide, narinder ,,,,,,,,,,,,, hurry............ but donot murder your body

commit Harakiri of the Mind .........Death of the Mind ................ die to the Mind, narinder ...........

and discover the Natkhat standing beside you ............

lifting you, helping you, raising you ,

freeing you, liberating you from turmoil and beggary of a myriad Lifetimes ........... "

so, my friends ............ who are thinking of suicide ..............

wait Not ............. hurry , before too late it is ..............

rush to Krishna's song and being

commit suicide of the Mind .......... die to the self ........... surrender .........

let the self raise the self by the self ............

that indeed is true suicide .............extolled by the Knowers

never shall you have to commit suicide again !!!

AUM

narinder bhandari

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According to Rig Veda, human beings are tri-ani-pada i.e. three bodies in One. On the natural death or suicide only material body dies. Their subtle spiritual body containing the Jeev (Spirit) and subtlest of the subtle i.e. causal body containig Atma (soul) do not die. The energy principle Jeev (spirit) merges with the Supreme Spirit and sum total of energy continues to remain constant in the Universe.The causal body containing knowledge principle gets rebirth after on the the 13th day or later depending on the quantam of sattvic, rajasic and tamasic gunas encircling the soul. 12 days journey of the soul to remove the effect of Gunas (karma effect decides the re-birth) is explained in great details in Rig Veda. Regards,Prem Sabhlok

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Hari Om. Shree Hari.Anupamji, why are you asking this question? Are you thinking of committing suicide? Is there someone you know who is suicidal? Has someone you loved committed suicide?Please specify more details. Your fate after death is determined by many things - your current life, your past karma etc. There is no single event which determines your fate after death.It is important to understand that fate after death will vary for each person. What we all need to understand that it is not desirable to commit suicide or hurt ourselves! If we or person around us has suicidal feelings, then we should help them. In US, use spiritual guidance or call 911 and get them medical help. In India, use spiritual guidance to help them. As far as destiny after suicide is concerned, no one can give correct answer as it will vary with each person. Regards,Gaurav Mittal-------------------------------

Ram Ram.

How do anyone know for sure what happens to the soul after death? There are many assumptions but do anyone know for sure?We say the soul is untouched and many here argue that the soul do not get touch and when you sin it do not affect the soul and God do not keep tabs on all the good and bad we do. Then how do the soul get affected? It is not the doer,the human body is the doer so the soul leaves and it is gone no matter how u die,correct?

Preeti Singh

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HARI OM !,

I agree with some of the wiser counsels mentioned herein that no living being yet knows what happens to the soul after death,there are many intrepretations but never an all acceptable reasoning.

From this discussion stems another related topic. Please permit me to mention. After a death in a devout ritualistic Hindu family the eldest son is required to perform over a period of one year, many rituals to ensure that the soul reaches a better birth, commonly known as pithru karma etc. This is not done in other religions. I checked with a renowned veda pandit who is known to have analysed and deeply studied the vedas and other religious books,the relevance of this religious practise and he explains that the soul just moves on to its designated goal as per its Karma,the near kith and kin do not influence its journey ! similarly, if the body commits suicide,the soul is believed to wander about until its due death arrives and then passes on to another ordained form.

Has anybody analysed the past life regression,we can see a lot of it on TV these days?

OM SHANTI

Guru Prasad

In my opinion every body does some thing like suicide in view of your karmas in the previous life.Similarly such people gets grace according to their Karmas ( actions )in the present life

My Pranam to Swamiji

Truly yours

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

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Dear Dr.Manikkar,

you said

"The air element of the bubble will merge with the air element around it. Whether the "same" bubble will be reborn as another bubble ?"

If you happen to look towards a clear blue sky with a vacant look, after some time when your look really becomes vacant, you will find streams of bubbles appearing from nowhere and disappearing to nowhere with a tremendous speed. Do these "bubbles" have got to do anything with your "bubbles"? I am talking about reality and not speculation ! and posing this question to a professional person of your stature.Regards,

Barin Chatterjee

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To take life is one of the greatest of sins, more so when that life happens to be one's own. Such a sinner will surely suffer the consequences of his sin in the next life. Also the reason of his birth, which is to attain salvation will be negated.

Hari Shanker Deo

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Hari OmNothing happens to the soul. But 'embodied soul' viz Jeeva committing suicide... suffers...suffers and suffers !!Pranaams to all sadhaks.Sarve Bhavantu SukhinahNarottam

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Conscious Existence manifests/perceives the world through senses-mind-intellect-Ego(Antahkaran) of an individual. This "individual" identifies him/her as this body-mind with a name as a part of growing up in the environment conditioned by family, society, nationality etc etc. Thus an individual is the product of environment and is bound by it.This very Conscious Existence of his/her carries the impressions(sanskaras) or conditioning and controls the thought patterns and actions of the body-mind throughout the life. Such consciousness conditioned with impressions is soul!Soul is thus Existence in ignorance of its true nature being Pure and Impersonal Existence whom impressions make no impact just as nothing ever happens to space when objects are created or destroyed!Essentially an individual is such a conditioned, limited entity, or subtle body/causal body residing as though, in that gross body. Subtle body is a body of thoughts, feelings, latent tendencies, deep rooted attachments, etc etc and causal body is subtler body of ignorance of not knowing that "I am undivided Consciousness"! Due to the Karmas done as an individual doer, Jeeva/soul is said to acquires new conditioning(karmas), strengthening its ignorance!Now when the physical body gives up for whatever reasons, natural death or suicide, the subtle and causal bodies as impressions on consciousness is said to leave and wait for reincarnation based on its sanskaras! Actually, upon Realization or removal of ignorance, it is seen that "there is only Pure Conscious-Existence, undivided, undifferentiated as various objects but giving the impressions of an individualized soul, which is not its Reality, its true identity". It is also seen that what re-incarnates is this impressions/conditioning through subtle bodies in which new physical bodies happens in a modified environments! KrishnaJi says as if soul is changing clothes and continuing as new body!Thus re-incarnation is not personal, its all an Impersonal process of recycling ignorance(Karmas)! In some birth, however, Realization happens and freedom from such limitations of body and sanskaras or conditioning is obtained! That Consciousness is never born nor can die to re-incarnate is called Jeevan Mukti or liberation! It is said that as if individual's Karmas are destroyed upon the Self-Knowledge.This is GRACE of GOD or GURU KRUPA or call it whatever names!In summary, Karmas, Sanskaras, conditioning of all mankind evolve through new generations, and yet Soul in its purity remain unborn neither coming nor going anywhere! Only bodies/objects/world come and go in IT!This is the reason Krishnaji says "I know all those births whereas you don't". He says this as Atman, Brahman, Consciousness witnessing the dance drama of Life as only THAT which continues knows the discontinuity of death!Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

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Shree Paramatmane Namah

Atma (Soul) is omnipresent (Gita 2:24) . By commiting suicide (which you are mistakenly calling it as "atmahatyaa" killing of the soul), that cannot happen. Neither the soul goes anywhere, nor does it come to some place, nor can anything happen to the soul. then why must one worry about this? So be it,

Vineet Sarvottam

----

Mind is always in search for a formula to be secured, certain, comfortable.

Uncertainty is the functioning of the brain. Uncertainty is compounded when we do not accept uncertainty.

The compounded uncertainty gives rise to stress, anxiety.

Mind is under the illusion as if it can have or maintain a state of psychological comfortableness as

defined by it, that pleasure will cut the root of pain, that it can depend upon possessions, relations, money or the idea of God as a secured ultimate, that addition to the securities (possessions, relations) will keep the unknown at bay and so on.

Understanding the illusion is the dropping of the illusion.

One becomes one with the unending stream of Life.

Y V Chawla

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Nobody really knows the answer to this question, although many will speak as though they have the answer. As explained by Swami Dayananda---

In Drig-Drishya-Viveka, written by a person no less exhalted than Shri Shankaracharya-ji himself, has said that there is an ocean ( could be a river ), in which there is a wave, in which there is a bubble. When that bubble bursts, what happens ? The water element of that bubble merges with the water element of the wave and that of the wave will merge with the water element of the ocean. The air element of the bubble will merge with the air element around it. Whether the "same" bubble will be reborn as another bubble ? This is upto speculation and debate?

We would like to either not be reborn ( moksha ), or be born as good people, and the Law of Karma keeps us straight. After that it is all a matter of speculation.

d

Durgesh Mankikar,MD

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

When someone has asked a somewhat similar question to Swamiji, he has replied -

Question: Whatever the man remembers at the time of death (at time of leaving his body), that he will attain, does this ruling apply to even those that commit suicide ?Answer: Yes! it applies to those who are commiting suicide as well. But for those individuals it is very difficult for them to be in rememberance of God (auspiciousness). This is because they are committing suicide out of deep pain and sorrow, but their desire remains to be happy. Secondly, when the life force is leaving them, they are repenting of their act, but they are unable to do anything about it. Thirdly, while life force is leaving them, they experience terrible and immense difficulties. If their inner feelings are pure, if they have faith in God, if they desire to remember God, then they will not do this terrible crime of committing suicide. Lastly, it is because the inner intellect is impure, that one thinks of committing suicide. Therefore those that commit suicide have a major downfall. Skanda Purana says that such persons do not attain salvation for several lives to come. Therefore intelligent persons, must never ever think of suicide even out of forgetfulness or mistake. From "Prashnouttermanimaala" in in Hindi page 94-95 by Swami Ramsukhdasji----------------------

This is not in the exact words of Swamiji, but we recollect somewhere in his writings that such a soul finds it difficult to get another body for being born and remains in a pending state, undergoing suffering for a very long time.

Please read, a similar discussion in the past on:

Why one must not commit suicide? at:

/message/1750

Please read carefully and ask any further questions. Please do not hesitate. Human Birth is a rarity and it's significance needs to be understood. Such a rare form of birth may not come again for many lifetimes to come.

Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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February 14, 2010

Please tell me, what happens to a soul when one commits suicide ?

Regards,Anupam Bagri

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Shree Hari Ram Ram

Digressing a bit, but sadhaks, I thought you may find this revealing - from Swamiji's Sadhak Sanjivani - (Gita 7/26 - english pg 931 - hindi pg 534-535). The Lord also declares , "By receiving this boat, in the form of a human body and favorable wind, in the form of My grace, one who does not attain salvation (cross the ocean of life), he is one who commits suicide" (Srimadbha. 11/20/17). Even in the Gita it is declared by Bhagavan, "For he who by seeing the supreme Lord present equally everywhere, in all as one, such a man does not kill (destroy) himself by the self, thereby reaching the supreme state" (Gita 13/28). From this too, it proves that the Lord has bestowed upon human beings, the rights, complete resources and understanding so that they can attain salvation. On receiving this priceless opportunity, if one does not attain salvation, one commits suicide and follows the cycle of birth and death.

Meera Das, Ram Ram

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-Shree Hari-Namasre!Contemplating Mahalaksmi dasiji's post straight away put me in mind if the 'Hungry Ghosts', universally known throughout many traditions.I will past in some comments ex Wikipedea :' In HinduismIn Hindu tradition, hungry ghosts are spirit-beings driven by passion for particular things, objects of their desire. Possibly the worst thing about "Hungry Ghosts" is that they always come back for more. Very detailed information about ghosts is given in Garuda Purana.'The italics indicate why precautions were taken to protect your husband.Such demons /ghosts are powerless in the presence of 'Divine Light', a yogi remarked, "All one has to do is, is send from your heart the love of Baba to the demon, it will go in a flash". (Such things cannot stand discovery from a soul who has no fear, because of her/his trust in the Supreme Lord.)So if the outcome of suicide is to become a ghost, then a time of great anguish awaits. (Explained well in the Tibetan tradition!)People who are in the process of 'waking up from the spiritual sleep that enslaves mankind', can often have battles with demons, horrific nightmares, just as you describe, absolutely no doubt of that!A point, someone will no doubt bring this up, re. 'Being in a ghost body is very unfortunate, for the desires that we all feel, such as to enjoy nice food, family life, affection.....these things can only be enjoyed with a physical body.' Look! I don't know about you, but I understand that any desire for worldly things, will deny one Moksha. Worth contemplating upon! Om..... Shant....Mike (K).---------

Shree Paramatmane Namah

Shri Narottamji, by name I am certainly Sarvottam (name was given by father-mother) but in knowledge I am limited. Due to not knowing English by mistake I wrote that to call suicide, "atmahatya" is wrong, as only the body can be killed, not the atma (Self, Soul, Spirit). Knowing that English "atma" (soul) can also be killed, appears surprising to me. If only this would be in Hindi. So be it. Vineet Sarvottam

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What happens to a Soul when one commits suicide?

This question is not different from "What happens to the soul after accidental death or natural death or any other death?" that Nachiketa asked The Death itself,

E'yam prete vichikitsaa manushye asteetyeke naayamasteeti chaike |

EtadvidyaamanushishTastvayaaham varaaNaamesha varstriteeyah ||

One could definitely answer this if one could establish what happens to the soul when one is alive?! Have we ever attempted to figure that out?! We dodge from this terrifying question as to 'what I am?'or 'what is this soul?' when we are alive and push the same for a post-mortem so that we can escape from its wrath as of now. After all, living the way we do is not very different from any suicide as such as we try to hush up the very question to investigate our roots when we really can. If we cannot get a resolution to this when we have all the faculties gifted to us while alive, how can we ever imagine to 'understand' the state when we are ripped off all these faculties??!!

There was debate as to whether the soul exists or not then … as well as now … asteetyeke naayamasteeti chaike … As Yama begs the young Nachiketa, even the gods cannot determine the exact nature of The Self that dwells in the creatures in this universe ... Lord Yama begs the kid not to insist for an answer to this! The Death itself confesses its inability to understand the nature of its very locus in spite of being the instrument in recycling the life as we perceive!!

Devairatraapi vichikitsitam puraa na hi suvignyeyam aNuresha dharmah |

Anyam varam nachiketo vriNeeshva maamopareetseerati maasrijainam ||

Upanishads univocally caution us who are chasing the life being chased by the fear of death at the same time with no intention as well as attention to be ourselves all our lives ... as the true suiciders. After all, one who has no clue of oneself is truly dead. Who is the hurdle for this - oneself! Therefore the upanishads call us the Aatmahanaah - the suiciders - one who never "lived" continuously being churned in the tornedo of contradictions within - crave to live and fear to die. Such suiciders have to die every moment seeking the life every moment to exist ... they exist ... but never live ...

Asuryaa naama te lokaah andhena tamasaavritaah |

Taangste pretyaani gacchhanti ye ke chaatmahano janaah ||

Therefore, one who 'dies' without a resolution to this burning question "Who am I?" verily throwing oneself into the pith of suicide … that pretty much makes up most of the population on this earth as the Upanishad points out …

Therefore, my dear friend, let us ask the question whether the soul exists now … if so … what is it? … seeking the clarity for this ONE AND ONLY QUESTION is the quest for all the Upanishadic studies … that is the only character observed in the podium of the Bhagavadgita throughtout its 700+ verses ... in every verse ... in every word ... in every syllable ... in every utterance ... in the silence beneath and beyond ...

As Lord Yama reveals frankly, nobody can teach us this … of course, all that the scriptures and the seers can do for us is to point out when we go wrong and when we draw wrong conclusions. Afterall any conclusion sounds wrong inline with Yama's revelation … therefore, the scriptures and the seers help us till we stop entertaining anymore conclusions ... till we stop entertaining any more doubt ... till we attain The Silence that is everything including itself as such.

Therefore, my dear friend, keep interrogating now and here ... question yourself and yourself ... anything else is proved a futile path beyond doubt in our scriptures and by our seers ... if you insist, you can try other paths before converging to this ... but convergence to this fundamental query is essential ... convergence to The Silence eventually is vital ...

Respects.

Naga Narayana.

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Can anyone commit suicide?

Aatmahana mentioned earlier from the Upanishad means the one who evades oneself. Even in mundane world, it makes sense … one is dead when one cannot acknowledge oneself … the true burning question here is what is this "oneself"? One can come up with zillion 'answers' to this ... the same individual treats this in variant ways circumstantially since this Self (or soul) has a unique quality of becoming anything as perceived! Therefore, an intellect is perpetually left wandering around wondering what it is!! Grossly, the identity of an individual (or soul) oscillates between the world (relations), the body (actions), the mind (emotions) and the silence. The problem is that its four legs are glued into these four apparently distinct dominions so strongly that the fellow cannot shoft into any one dominion completely. Whenever it tries to be in one, the other three legs are so stretched out to accommodate this that they pull the fellow toward different dominions not letting the fellow rest anywhere! How to understand the one who cannot stay anywhere even for a moment?!

Considering that the fellow is 'the world' … the fellow is defined in terms of the relations provided and fascilitated by the world through its objects that the fellow is blessed to perceive. Afterall that is a show … no perception can remain (if it remains, it cannot be any perception but silence!) ... no object can remain (if it remains, it cannot be anymore an object, only a void remains!!) ... no relation can, therefore, remain (if it remains, it cannot relate anything as no relation can exist between a silence and a void!!!) ... therefore, the world is retiring perpetually on its own (Refer to Swamiji's wonderful revelations on this subject in SSS on Sahaja Nivritti) ... how can we 'kill' something that is killing itself perpetually???!!! Therefore, wise one who appreciates the momentary nature of the world would cease to imagine killing the fellow in 'the world' ... no suicide is possible there ...

Vishayaanaam prithagbhaavamudayaastamayou cha yat |

Prithagutpadyamaanaanaam mattvaa dheero na shachate ||

Considering the fellow to be 'the body' … the fellow is defined by the matter-energy cluster that is undergoing perpetual recycling on its own to remain what it is … and, is acknowledged by the actions that are curned out perpetually in the process. No unique matter-energy-action cluster can ever exist even for a moment ... they loose their presence as soon as they take one! They are born dead in other words (Aja). How can we terminate this fellow who is born dead?! Consider the typical suicides around the world ... can anyone terminate the body without the assistance of the same. Even the ultimate dissolution of the body is in its own hand and is governed by its own terms! Who am I to say that I kill myself when the body quits the way it can and the way it is destined to??!!

Considering the fellow to be 'the mind' … being always absolutely under the spell of the senses governed by the body, it can never have its own presence anyway anytime … it is helpless but to entertain the imagery it receives from the senses. Again, a fellow defined by perpetually discharged pulses of momentary existence cannot be killed ... he is gone before you identify him! Again, a wise one would not entertain the idea of killing the fellow in dominion of thoughts that raise and fall perpetually like sunrise and sunset ...

IndriayaaNaam prithagbhaavamudayaastamayou cha yat |

Prithagutpadyamaanaanaam mattvaa dheero na shachate ||

Considering the fellow to be 'the silence' or 'the void' … the space that accommodates the thoughts, actions as well as relation … it permeates everything … nothing can take any fraction of that away from it … it remains as is irrespective of the presence of objects and thoughts ... objects and thoughts depend on the space for existence and not vice versa! Also, it has nothing specific that can be identified to take away to start with. It has nothing to loose as it needs nothing to gain to be what it is!! Then how can you imagine something that has nothing to loose???!!! Again, 'killing' this fellow is an impossibility!!!

Where is the question of suicide when there is no room for 'killing' in the first place?Therefore, the idea of 'killing' anybody (INCLUDING ONESELF) is a mere myth …

Na jaayate mriyate vaa vipashchit naayam kutashchinna babhoova kashchit |

Ajo nityo shaashvato'yam puraaNo na hanyate hanyamaane shareere ||

No one can demand an unnatural result from anything? Nature is beyond all the demands one could ever putforth. How anyone even with an inkling to such a fact could ever imagine to 'kill' anything including oneself ??? … !!! … I wonder.

Respects.

Naga Narayana.

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The ONLY SUICIDE that is worth considering … that is possible … and that is needed

As any other thought or notion is ego's perception, 'killing' and 'suicide' is also a notion built in the ego. This notion is rooted deeply in its notions of birth and death. Beneath the notions of birth and death, it retains its identities with the body and mind it is provided with to operate in the game of survival. The core individual identity (soul or Jeeva) remains encapsulated in the identities with the mind and the body and their relation with their respective worlds. Whatever one thinks one is in this world is engraved in the memoirs of that identity. Till that identity remains intact, how can the individual be terminated?

If one truly wants to suicide from the body-mind-world perspective, THE ONLY WAY is to just quit from the body ... just like that ... just like one could walk away from you ... with absolutely no assistance from any external aid ...

Termination of the world, body and mind are of no consequence - one, that is irrelevant and two, one has no authority over them.One cannot manipulate anything that is not under one's authority. All the three - world, body and mind - fall in dominions completely indepndent from the ego. The nature has blessed the ego to have their cooperation in its activities just like it has bound the ego to cooperate with them in return. Therefore, the deaths perceived in association with the world, body and mind are just imaginary chronicles of the ego having no bearing with the associated entities. Again, their deaths are written by themselves and for themselves as per the laws of nature.

One can manipulate only that which is authored by oneself - the ego and its collective ignorance in terms of identities, emotions and relations. Therefore, the only possibility to terminate anything in this universe is one's very ego. Since all the notions are rooted in the ego, its termination is the only way one can really seek the death. All other deaths that are embedded in ego's notion are nothing but supersticious and mythical notions. Since the very notion of "I" also gets mitigated along with the mitigation of the ego, that alone is worthy being considered as true suicide (Aatmahatya - termination of the notion of I-ness).

If you are talking about this death … the ONLY SUICIDE possible … I can vouch that the soul (individual identity) definitely exists before and mitigates after the death. Because, the very termination of the I-ness is the gate-pass for this death. In all other conceived deaths, the I-ness laments at the loss of Mine-ness only ... mine-ness with the mind, body and world in terms of thoughts, actions and relations. Since the I-ness is retained intact, it collects the mine-ness back in some way or the other depending on its capacity and capability ...

Yonimanye prapadyante shareeratvaaya dehinah |

SthhaaNumanye'nusanyanti yathaa karma yathaa shrutam ||

In fact, we are doing that every day and every moment … loosing some identities and acquiring some other depending on our abilities within and opportunities around. Therefore, all conceived deaths are mere recycling of matter-energy-identity clusters … THE ONLY death is self-termination of the ego in totality wherein no more identity (I-ness) is retained to gain relations (mine-ness) anymore.

Therefore, THE ONLY SUICIDE is nothing but attaining eternity as such wherein there won't be any need for the notions of identity; of body, mind and world; and therefore of the birth, life and death as such …

Respects.

Naga Narayana.

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Hari OmWhat mistake? Calling 'suicide' to be 'atmahatya' is not a mistake. God does not make mistakes. Humans make mistakes. In Gita - BG 13:28 , God says..... 'Na hinashtyatmanaatmaanam' - means.... do not cause violence to your 'self' (atma)! Now does not God know that 'atma' neither kills nor gets killed? Hence One must worry. This is too funny an argument that since you are immortal hence don't worry. It means- Commit suicide...you will get new body. No....Divine Sadhaks...I heard Swamiji saying that then you don't get human body again for ages and eons. IT IS A LAW - that if you mis-use any thing given to you by God / world/ Nature...by any body....you don't get that again. Because you MIS-USED.If you don't worry regarding as ghastly a sin as 'atmahatya' (suicide) then why the very emotion 'to worry' has been given to you ? Hence you MUST worry and properly utilise whatever has been received by you in human life! One MUST pay care and attention to the unique gift of human body given so benevolently by Paramatma to His children. If 'atma' is immortal that does not mean, the body is also immortal. By that logic- why one should not throw away every thing including own cloths, kith, kin, parents, money ? Why one should at all be worrying about duty and dharma? Where is need for 'discrimination' ? The freedom which a human being has got in human birth, residing in human body is not for mis-utilisation under the garb - I am not body ! It is not some toy. It is the junction through which you can even get Paramatma. You are not body, sure ! But has it not been given to you by Paramatma? Should you torture it? Should you kill it? God has given you a ladoo (sweet) ..should you throw it in dust bin and say : It is not mine, why I should worry ?Let there be a difference between soul and body but not indifference or disrespect to body ...merely because the former is indestructible. Sure, nothing happens to soul but 'embodied soul' has no rights to kill it ! Hence let there be difference between logic and arrogance, gyaan and agyaan. One should never MIS-USE any thing ! NEVER !! Pranaams to all sadhaks.Sarve Bhavantu SukhinahNarottam ---

My dandavat pranams to all.....

As the revered Ramsukhdasaji has said in the paragraph below, to commit suicide is a terrible crime. I have always heard from my spiritual preceptors that one who does this act is awarded the form of a ghost. Due to not having appreciation for the physical body, and not utilizing this gift for development of God consciousness, those who commit suicide are not allowed to have human body until the designated hours, months, and years of which they were destined to be in the previous body which was killed have been fulfilled. Thus, if one was meant to live 100 years, but commits suicide at age 24, then for 76 years he is destined to carry on as a ghost. Being in a ghost body is very unfortunate, for the desires that we all feel, such as to enjoy nice food, family life, affection.....these things can only be enjoyed with a physical body. Also, generally we see that ghosts are not allowed to stay in one place....they constantly move about in a very unhappy state..

I am sure that there are exceptions to this general rule, but as a standard punishment it is what I have understood. Perhaps just one story, which happened to my husband his first time in India, I shall share.....he told us how he was sleeping in a tent on top of the dharmashala.....in his sleep, he was seeing himself being dragged out of the tent, feet first. There were brahmin raksasa ghosts attempting to take over his body. He has recalled this story many times, telling how he was thrashing around, on the subtle level....his deities were knocked over, his tent was torn down...., he was physically (on the subtle level) trying to fight the beings who were pulling him out. Finally, he managed to call out "Nrsnghadeva"....and woke up....crying, screaming, terrified, dripping with sweat. He woke up everyone else that was sleeping up on the roof, and they came running over. One senior Vaisnava taught him how to place mantras at the different corners of his tent, so that he was not disturbed after that. But an experience such as he had is not one to easily discount. What was the reason they were trying to pull him, in his subtle body, out of the physical body? So they could take over that body.....ghosts WANT to have a physical body again....so the lesson is.....never, never commit suicide.

respectfully,

Maha laksmi dasi

AUM

it was in some scripture sometime somewhere

that narinder read the words

the words that remain etched in narinder's Mind

the words that keep him from the SIn of suicide ..............

and the words ..........................ah !!!

" Taking another's life is murder , and is punishable with Life

murdering your own Body, O Mortal ................

shall you escape Punishment ???? "

and elsewhere narinder did read .................

" Should despair seize you, should penury taunt you,

should no-one help you, should thoughts of suicide haunt you ............

commit suicide, narinder ,,,,,,,,,,,,, hurry............ but donot murder your body

commit Harakiri of the Mind .........Death of the Mind ................ die to the Mind, narinder ...........

and discover the Natkhat standing beside you ............

lifting you, helping you, raising you ,

freeing you, liberating you from turmoil and beggary of a myriad Lifetimes ........... "

so, my friends ............ who are thinking of suicide ..............

wait Not ............. hurry , before too late it is ..............

rush to Krishna's song and being

commit suicide of the Mind .......... die to the self ........... surrender .........

let the self raise the self by the self ............

that indeed is true suicide .............extolled by the Knowers

never shall you have to commit suicide again !!!

AUM

narinder bhandari

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According to Rig Veda, human beings are tri-ani-pada i.e. three bodies in One. On the natural death or suicide only material body dies. Their subtle spiritual body containing the Jeev (Spirit) and subtlest of the subtle i.e. causal body containig Atma (soul) do not die. The energy principle Jeev (spirit) merges with the Supreme Spirit and sum total of energy continues to remain constant in the Universe.The causal body containing knowledge principle gets rebirth after on the the 13th day or later depending on the quantam of sattvic, rajasic and tamasic gunas encircling the soul. 12 days journey of the soul to remove the effect of Gunas (karma effect decides the re-birth) is explained in great details in Rig Veda. Regards,Prem Sabhlok

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Hari Om. Shree Hari.Anupamji, why are you asking this question? Are you thinking of committing suicide? Is there someone you know who is suicidal? Has someone you loved committed suicide?Please specify more details. Your fate after death is determined by many things - your current life, your past karma etc. There is no single event which determines your fate after death.It is important to understand that fate after death will vary for each person. What we all need to understand that it is not desirable to commit suicide or hurt ourselves! If we or person around us has suicidal feelings, then we should help them. In US, use spiritual guidance or call 911 and get them medical help. In India, use spiritual guidance to help them. As far as destiny after suicide is concerned, no one can give correct answer as it will vary with each person. Regards,Gaurav Mittal-------------------------------

Ram Ram.

How do anyone know for sure what happens to the soul after death? There are many assumptions but do anyone know for sure?We say the soul is untouched and many here argue that the soul do not get touch and when you sin it do not affect the soul and God do not keep tabs on all the good and bad we do. Then how do the soul get affected? It is not the doer,the human body is the doer so the soul leaves and it is gone no matter how u die,correct?

Preeti Singh

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HARI OM !,

I agree with some of the wiser counsels mentioned herein that no living being yet knows what happens to the soul after death,there are many intrepretations but never an all acceptable reasoning.

From this discussion stems another related topic. Please permit me to mention. After a death in a devout ritualistic Hindu family the eldest son is required to perform over a period of one year, many rituals to ensure that the soul reaches a better birth, commonly known as pithru karma etc. This is not done in other religions. I checked with a renowned veda pandit who is known to have analysed and deeply studied the vedas and other religious books,the relevance of this religious practise and he explains that the soul just moves on to its designated goal as per its Karma,the near kith and kin do not influence its journey ! similarly, if the body commits suicide,the soul is believed to wander about until its due death arrives and then passes on to another ordained form.

Has anybody analysed the past life regression,we can see a lot of it on TV these days?

OM SHANTI

Guru Prasad

In my opinion every body does some thing like suicide in view of your karmas in the previous life.Similarly such people gets grace according to their Karmas ( actions )in the present life

My Pranam to Swamiji

Truly yours

Shankerprasad S Bhatt

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Dear Dr.Manikkar,

you said

"The air element of the bubble will merge with the air element around it. Whether the "same" bubble will be reborn as another bubble ?"

If you happen to look towards a clear blue sky with a vacant look, after some time when your look really becomes vacant, you will find streams of bubbles appearing from nowhere and disappearing to nowhere with a tremendous speed. Do these "bubbles" have got to do anything with your "bubbles"? I am talking about reality and not speculation ! and posing this question to a professional person of your stature.Regards,

Barin Chatterjee

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To take life is one of the greatest of sins, more so when that life happens to be one's own. Such a sinner will surely suffer the consequences of his sin in the next life. Also the reason of his birth, which is to attain salvation will be negated.

Hari Shanker Deo

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Hari OmNothing happens to the soul. But 'embodied soul' viz Jeeva committing suicide... suffers...suffers and suffers !!Pranaams to all sadhaks.Sarve Bhavantu SukhinahNarottam

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Conscious Existence manifests/perceives the world through senses-mind-intellect-Ego(Antahkaran) of an individual. This "individual" identifies him/her as this body-mind with a name as a part of growing up in the environment conditioned by family, society, nationality etc etc. Thus an individual is the product of environment and is bound by it.This very Conscious Existence of his/her carries the impressions(sanskaras) or conditioning and controls the thought patterns and actions of the body-mind throughout the life. Such consciousness conditioned with impressions is soul!Soul is thus Existence in ignorance of its true nature being Pure and Impersonal Existence whom impressions make no impact just as nothing ever happens to space when objects are created or destroyed!Essentially an individual is such a conditioned, limited entity, or subtle body/causal body residing as though, in that gross body. Subtle body is a body of thoughts, feelings, latent tendencies, deep rooted attachments, etc etc and causal body is subtler body of ignorance of not knowing that "I am undivided Consciousness"! Due to the Karmas done as an individual doer, Jeeva/soul is said to acquires new conditioning(karmas), strengthening its ignorance!Now when the physical body gives up for whatever reasons, natural death or suicide, the subtle and causal bodies as impressions on consciousness is said to leave and wait for reincarnation based on its sanskaras! Actually, upon Realization or removal of ignorance, it is seen that "there is only Pure Conscious-Existence, undivided, undifferentiated as various objects but giving the impressions of an individualized soul, which is not its Reality, its true identity". It is also seen that what re-incarnates is this impressions/conditioning through subtle bodies in which new physical bodies happens in a modified environments! KrishnaJi says as if soul is changing clothes and continuing as new body!Thus re-incarnation is not personal, its all an Impersonal process of recycling ignorance(Karmas)! In some birth, however, Realization happens and freedom from such limitations of body and sanskaras or conditioning is obtained! That Consciousness is never born nor can die to re-incarnate is called Jeevan Mukti or liberation! It is said that as if individual's Karmas are destroyed upon the Self-Knowledge.This is GRACE of GOD or GURU KRUPA or call it whatever names!In summary, Karmas, Sanskaras, conditioning of all mankind evolve through new generations, and yet Soul in its purity remain unborn neither coming nor going anywhere! Only bodies/objects/world come and go in IT!This is the reason Krishnaji says "I know all those births whereas you don't". He says this as Atman, Brahman, Consciousness witnessing the dance drama of Life as only THAT which continues knows the discontinuity of death!Namaskar..........Pratap Bhatt

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Shree Paramatmane Namah

Atma (Soul) is omnipresent (Gita 2:24) . By commiting suicide (which you are mistakenly calling it as "atmahatyaa" killing of the soul), that cannot happen. Neither the soul goes anywhere, nor does it come to some place, nor can anything happen to the soul. then why must one worry about this? So be it,

Vineet Sarvottam

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Mind is always in search for a formula to be secured, certain, comfortable.

Uncertainty is the functioning of the brain. Uncertainty is compounded when we do not accept uncertainty.

The compounded uncertainty gives rise to stress, anxiety.

Mind is under the illusion as if it can have or maintain a state of psychological comfortableness as

defined by it, that pleasure will cut the root of pain, that it can depend upon possessions, relations, money or the idea of God as a secured ultimate, that addition to the securities (possessions, relations) will keep the unknown at bay and so on.

Understanding the illusion is the dropping of the illusion.

One becomes one with the unending stream of Life.

Y V Chawla

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Nobody really knows the answer to this question, although many will speak as though they have the answer. As explained by Swami Dayananda---

In Drig-Drishya-Viveka, written by a person no less exhalted than Shri Shankaracharya-ji himself, has said that there is an ocean ( could be a river ), in which there is a wave, in which there is a bubble. When that bubble bursts, what happens ? The water element of that bubble merges with the water element of the wave and that of the wave will merge with the water element of the ocean. The air element of the bubble will merge with the air element around it. Whether the "same" bubble will be reborn as another bubble ? This is upto speculation and debate?

We would like to either not be reborn ( moksha ), or be born as good people, and the Law of Karma keeps us straight. After that it is all a matter of speculation.

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Durgesh Mankikar,MD

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

When someone has asked a somewhat similar question to Swamiji, he has replied -

Question: Whatever the man remembers at the time of death (at time of leaving his body), that he will attain, does this ruling apply to even those that commit suicide ?Answer: Yes! it applies to those who are commiting suicide as well. But for those individuals it is very difficult for them to be in rememberance of God (auspiciousness). This is because they are committing suicide out of deep pain and sorrow, but their desire remains to be happy. Secondly, when the life force is leaving them, they are repenting of their act, but they are unable to do anything about it. Thirdly, while life force is leaving them, they experience terrible and immense difficulties. If their inner feelings are pure, if they have faith in God, if they desire to remember God, then they will not do this terrible crime of committing suicide. Lastly, it is because the inner intellect is impure, that one thinks of committing suicide. Therefore those that commit suicide have a major downfall. Skanda Purana says that such persons do not attain salvation for several lives to come. Therefore intelligent persons, must never ever think of suicide even out of forgetfulness or mistake. From "Prashnouttermanimaala" in in Hindi page 94-95 by Swami Ramsukhdasji----------------------

This is not in the exact words of Swamiji, but we recollect somewhere in his writings that such a soul finds it difficult to get another body for being born and remains in a pending state, undergoing suffering for a very long time.

Please read, a similar discussion in the past on:

Why one must not commit suicide? at:

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Please read carefully and ask any further questions. Please do not hesitate. Human Birth is a rarity and it's significance needs to be understood. Such a rare form of birth may not come again for many lifetimes to come.

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February 15, 2010

Please tell me, what happens to a soul when one commits suicide ?

Regards,Anupam Bagri

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Dear Sadaks,The Athuman time span is decided by ones own previous birth Karmas. The Body time span is correlated to Athuman. That is why some die young with disease/accident Etc. But if one suicides, then it is crime (Sin) said in sastras for having NOT completed the mission on earth. Such Athuman hangs in Stratosphere without body but with all desires. Say hunger, that Athuman suffers hungry. Ref: Srimath Bagavath about Gokarn brother life.B.Sathyanarayan-------

Sat Nam

A most delicate subject. The Soul, as emanation from God, is constant, is perennial, is eternal. The Soul does not suffer. But what brings individuation to that Soul, and what manifests its existence in an incarnation, is the Subtle Body. The Subtle Body carries the mind and all its facets, memories, prejudices and history. It is what gives us the individuality as unique human beings. It is the mind that suffers. But we, in the Subtle Body, are responsible for carrying the Soul in each incarnation.

There is song that says, let your vestment be the protection of God.

The Soul is a constant stream to which our Subtle Bodies attach so that it can manifest the incarnations. To kill an incarnation is to go against the SoulÂ´s current. It brakes a Universal Law of Creation. To commit suicide is as bad and probably even worse than homicide from a Karmic effect. It is worse because it halts the incarnation process of the one who commits suicide, it brings it to a stop, a dense and heavy stop, against the Naad, against the Word. It only guarantees more and more, denser and denser incarnations for that Subtle Body (us as we know us).

The Karma-Dharma balanced is broken.

We are all incarnates by Divine Grace, by Guru's Grace. We should cherish every moment of our incarnation. On every breath we take, we bring in the entire Universe and allow it to manifest through us. And that is our most precious gift.

Pray for those who have left this plane by suicide for they need all our compassion and Love. Pray for them that upon return they become aware.

Sat Nam

Adi Singh

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OM SAI. Answers are only with SHRI SAI.Kash--------

Soul is immortal. Soul does not die. Death is meant for the body and its organs. Death can come due to age, disease, accident, murder, legal punishment, or suicide. As I understand it, irrespective of how death occurs, soul is unaffected. Suicide is the result of a disease or accident. Soul is not concerned with such things. Attempt to suicide need not always result in death. Even if it does, the soul is not involved. It is only our illusion that the soul is suferring due to our body. mind and ego's sufferring.

Basudeb Sen

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Hari OmSadhak Sarvottamji. I appreciate your difficulty of expression. If you give message in Hindi , I will translate it into English religiously for benefit of all sadhaks and reply to you in Hindi only with English translation. Henceforth you may please express yourself in Hindi only. You may freely express yourself. Welcome! Other sadhaks may also converse in Hindi. It will be translated.Please don't worry or give much weightage to 'limited knowledge'. To a Bhakta - knowledge is effortlessly received from God Himself. Knowledge becomes the slave of Bhakta. You too shall receive it when and if considered appropriate by Paramatma. Have trust in Paramatma. The very fact that you have Sadhak Sanjeevani at your home is more than enough for guidance to you at all times and in all stages ! Your pious association with Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj will definitely give imperishable results to you. It can never give perishable results. Pranaams!Sarve Bhavantu SukhinahNarottam -------