Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Gita 4 - 5 Shri Bhagavan uvaaca bahuni me vyatitaani janmaani tava caarjuna tanyaham veda sarvani na tvam vettha parantapa (Gita 4/5) The Blessed Lord said: " O scorcher of foes (Arjuna), you and I have passed through many births, I know them all, but you do not know them. " From " Gita Prabodhani " in Hindi by Swami Ramsukhdasji ====================================== Chapter 4, Verse 5 is as follows; Shree Bhagavaana = The Blessed Lord Uvaacha = said Bahooni = many Me = my Vyateetaani = have passed by / occurred Janmaani = births Tava = your Cha = and Arjuna = Arjuna Taani = them Aham = I Veda = know SarvaaNi = all Na = not Tvam = you Vettha = know Parantapa = O scorcher of foes / Arjuna English translation:- The Blessed Lord answered, " O Arjuna, many births of mine and yours have passed by; I know them all while you do not know, O scorcher of foes (Arjuna). " Comment: After unveiling the first eternal truth of indestructibility of the `Aatman' in the second chapter of Shreemad Bhagawad Geeta, now Lord Krishna unveils the second eternal truth of `Avatara' i.e. the Incarnation to his dear friend and beloved devotee Arjuna. Lord Krishna says, " Numerous births of Mine have already taken place. I know them all due to My eternally pure, ever awake and free Spiritual Nature and unimpaired cognitive Yogic Powers. However, O Arjuna, you do not remember them as your powers have been impeded by `A-Dnyaana' i.e. ignorance. " Arjuna is a `Jivatman' i.e. an embodied soul that is bound by his `Karmas' i.e. actions in the preceding births as well as in the current life form and therefore, he has no memory of his previous births. On the other hand, Lord Krishna being the Incarnation of Lord VishNu, he is always Omnipresent, Omnipotent. He remembers all his Incarnations / Avataras and the fact that He enlightened the Sun in our planetary system at the beginning of the Universe. Please refer the Verses 7 to 9 in chapter 4 of Shreemad Bhagawad Geeta, wherein Lord Krishna has asserted that He plans His own birth from time to time and His numerous births as well as His countless endeavours are `Divyam' i.e. Divine due to His Yogic powers or forces that are Universal, Omnipresent and Omnipotent in nature, which transcend the collective cognitive powers of any human physical body, mind and intellect. " Incarnations are the personifications of the `Param-Ishwara' i.e. the Supreme Being or the Brahman. In the ocean of `Sat – Chit – Aananda' a wave rises up in one place at one time and it is called Lord Krishna. Another wave rises at another place, sometime later and it is called as Jesus Christ. " ……………… Shri Ramakrishna Paramahansa. Please refer the Verse 21 in Chapter 13 of Shreemad Bhagawad Geeta, wherein Lord Krishna has clarified, " 'Purusha' i.e. the enlivening Spirit seated in `Prakruti' i.e. physical matter indeed experiences the `GuNaas' i.e. qualities born of `Prakruti' and attachment to `GuNaas' is the cause of numerous births of multitude of beings in good and evil wombs. " Please refer the Verse 19 in Chapter 7 of Shreemad Bhagawad Geeta, wherein Lord Krishna has asserted, " After many such births, the man of wisdom finally reaches Me, realizing that all is `Vaasudeva' i.e. the ultimate reality of spiritual enlightenment after realizing the eternal association with the Supreme Self. Such a great soul is indeed rare to find. " Only upon the Self realisation, one transcends the perpetual cycle of birth and death and in effect one merges with the Pure Consciousness. As long as one remains confined to realm of conditioned consciousness, one's knowledge is limited by his / her physical body, mind, intellect and the external environmental factors based on place and time. Throughout one's life, one is conscious of individual unique perceptions of material objects, the resultant variety of emotions and various thought experiments. One cannot be in a state of objectless, emotionless and thoughtless awareness due to the embodiment of the `Aatman' the sub-set of the super-set the `Brahman'. However, the Pure Unconditioned Consciousness illumines all the experiences of the past, the present and the future lives. Not only one's own but of all the living beings. This is the state of Lord Krishna, as He knows everything, everywhere at all periods of time. Lord Krishna reveals this Eternal Truth of Incarnation i.e. `Avatara' to Arjuna. In Dnyaaneshwaree, Santa Dnyaaneshwara in his characteristic poetic style has narrated; " I am without a shape or form `That' Truth will never be torn. Even if I may appear with a shape and a form. It is because of My Nature, that I am born " Many western scholars of Indology and Vedanta philosophy, including the famous Max Mueller from Germany, have criticized the Incarnation theory as a baseless meta-physical twaddle and scholastic hair-splitting. In response to such criticisms from many such quarters, I would like to cite the verses 39 and 40 in Chapter 4 of Shreemad Bhagawad Geeta, wherein Lord Krishna has stressed that only those who have faith in Him can aspire to have the ultimate knowledge of the Self and those ignorant who are devoid of faith, the ever-doubting lot are destined for self destruction and there is neither this mortal world on the Earth nor any other place in other worlds for them and they will never accrue happiness in their entire lives. Similarly, please refer the Verses 3 and 11 from Chapter 9 of Shreemad Bhagawad Geeta as additional counter arguments to non-believers in the theory of Incarnation. Not a single mortal embodiment can be the result of a mere accident as there is Divine purpose and Divine intervention in every creation in the entire Universe. No scientific observation or evidence can reach the level of absolute and irrefutable proof of the existence of the Supreme Being. There are many physical constants like mass of an electron, charge of an electron, speed of light in vacuum etc. which are given and are accepted as a matter of scientific faith. Even in mathematics, a point is defined as an entity, which has no dimensions i.e. no length, no breadth and no height. We cannot take a photo of a mathematical point because the resolution of picture element or pixel of a digital / analogue camera will define the precise size of the dot, which will go against the very definition of a mathematical point. On the assumption of the existence of a mathematical point, we define a line as a set of points. Then we define a two dimensional plane as a set of lines. Later on, we define a three dimensional space as a set of two dimensional planes. We build a nice mathematical theory on something that we cannot define which is apparently as simple as a mathematical point. What is the point in building such castles in air, if we simply define but cannot prove as simple thing as a mathematical point? That is precisely the point that I am trying to stress. This is precisely the turning point, where a scientific faith and a religious faith coalesce. In `A Brief History of Time' Stephen Hawking, one of the most respected contemporary mathematicians and physicists has stated, " It would be very difficult to explain why the universe should have been this way, except as the act of God, who intended to create living beings like all of us. " In the succeeding Verses 6 to 8 in Chapter 4 of Shreemad Bhagawad Geeta, Lord Krishna explains under what conditions and circumstances; He transforms Himself from His original `Avyakta' i.e. imperceptible form into `Vyakta' i.e. perceptible form and returns back to His original `Avyakta' i.e. imperceptible form. Thanks & Best Regards, Shrikant Joshi. -------------------------- To read the SADHAK SANJIVAN in Hindi please visit : http://www.swamiramsukhdasji.org/swamijibooks/pustak/pustak1/html/SadhakSanjeevn\ \\i/main.html ============================ Gita Discussion - Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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