Iam Veeraraghavan (fervent desciple of Srimad Andavan ( Ranaga Ramunja Maha Desikan)

[Guest guest]

Madam,

 

As far as my knowledge is concerned, if one had panchasamakram through Thirukudanthai Andavan, he/she can have Bharanyasam through Current Acharayan because he is from same guru parampara, but it should not be done in other manner.

 

ie Acharya can be anyone but he should follow the same guru param para ( Muni thriyam)

 

I am sure about it because I underwent many discourses from Acharya.

lalitha <lalithar wrote:

Dear Sir,My mother has some doubt daily anusanthanam. Please clarifyMy mother had Panchasamaskaram (Samasanam) through one Acharaya(Swamyacharya)and Bharanyasam through another acharya. Panchasamaskaram wasdone very long back (during 1948) when she was very young.Now during daily anusanthanam she is reciting only Thanians of SrimadAndavan who has done Bharanyasam as she does not know the details ofSwamyacharya. Is it correct or not. Please clarifyRANGANAYAKI> -> andavan Moderator <andavan-owner >> <lalithar> Friday, July 04, 2003 11:13 AM> Welcome to andavan>>> >> > Hello,> >> > Welcome to Srimath

Srirangam Andavan Ashramam . You will> receive updates posted to www.andavan.org website and other updatesstraight> from the Ashramam.> >> > To learn more about the andavan group, please visit> > andavan> >> > To start sending messages to members of this group, simply> > send email to> > andavan > >> > If you do not wish to belong to andavan, you may> > by sending an email to> > andavan- > >> > To see and modify all of your groups, go to> > /mygroups> >> >> > Regards> > R Srinivasan> > Trustee, Andavan Ashramam> >> >> > Your use of

is subject to> >> >> >> >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Sir,

 

Kindly explain about Bharanyasam is it compulsary

after Samashranam.

 

Geeta

 

--- veera raghavan <rag_hand wrote:

> Madam,

>

> As far as my knowledge is concerned, if

> one had panchasamakram through Thirukudanthai

> Andavan, he/she can have Bharanyasam through Current

> Acharayan because he is from same guru parampara,

> but it should not be done in other manner.

>

> ie Acharya can be anyone but he should follow the

> same guru param para ( Muni thriyam)

>

> I am sure about it because I underwent many

> discourses from Acharya.

>

>

> lalitha <lalithar wrote:

> Dear Sir,

>

> My mother has some doubt daily anusanthanam. Please

> clarify

> My mother had Panchasamaskaram (Samasanam) through

> one Acharaya

> (Swamyacharya)and Bharanyasam through another

> acharya. Panchasamaskaram was

> done very long back (during 1948) when she was very

> young.

> Now during daily anusanthanam she is reciting only

> Thanians of Srimad

> Andavan who has done Bharanyasam as she does not

> know the details of

> Swamyacharya. Is it correct or not. Please

> clarify

>

> RANGANAYAKI

>

> > -

> > andavan Moderator

> <andavan-owner >

> > <lalithar

> > Friday, July 04, 2003 11:13 AM

> > Welcome to andavan

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > Welcome to Srimath Srirangam Andavan Ashramam

> . You will

> > receive updates posted to www.andavan.org website

> and other updates

> straight

> > from the Ashramam.

> > >

> > > To learn more about the andavan group, please

> visit

> > > andavan

> > >

> > > To start sending messages to members of this

> group, simply

> > > send email to

> > > andavan

> > >

> > > If you do not wish to belong to andavan, you may

> > > by sending an email to

> > > andavan-

> > >

> > > To see and modify all of your groups, go to

> > > /mygroups

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > R Srinivasan

> > > Trustee, Andavan Ashramam

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Madam,

It is not compulsary, but it is desirable

as per our sampradaya practice. Bharanyasam is

absolute surrender to Perumal through our

Acharyan.Only perumal can give anyone " Moksham " ,that

is freedom from rebirth into this material

world.It is said that " Mokshaththkku adhipadhi " is Sreeman Narayanan only.

Definitely everyone will like to have the

same,instead revolving around this " samsaara

saagaram " .Actually everyone should consider the day of

" bharanyasam " as the most auspicious day of one's

life, as it is the day, when one gets married to

Perumal Himself.

 

--- geeta prabhaker <gprabhaker wrote:

>

>

> Sir,

>

> Kindly explain about Bharanyasam is it compulsary

> after Samashranam.

>

> Geeta

>

> --- veera raghavan <rag_hand wrote:

> > Madam,

> >

> > As far as my knowledge is concerned,

> if

> > one had panchasamakram through Thirukudanthai

> > Andavan, he/she can have Bharanyasam through

> Current

> > Acharayan because he is from same guru parampara,

> > but it should not be done in other manner.

> >

> > ie Acharya can be anyone but he should follow

> the

> > same guru param para ( Muni thriyam)

> >

> > I am sure about it because I underwent many

> > discourses from Acharya.

> >

> >

> > lalitha <lalithar wrote:

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > My mother has some doubt daily anusanthanam.

> Please

> > clarify

> > My mother had Panchasamaskaram (Samasanam)

> through

> > one Acharaya

> > (Swamyacharya)and Bharanyasam through another

> > acharya. Panchasamaskaram was

> > done very long back (during 1948) when she was

> very

> > young.

> > Now during daily anusanthanam she is reciting only

> > Thanians of Srimad

> > Andavan who has done Bharanyasam as she does not

> > know the details of

> > Swamyacharya. Is it correct or not. Please

> > clarify

> >

> > RANGANAYAKI

> >

> > > -

> > > andavan Moderator

> > <andavan-owner >

> > > <lalithar

> > > Friday, July 04, 2003 11:13 AM

> > > Welcome to andavan

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hello,

> > > >

> > > > Welcome to Srimath Srirangam Andavan Ashramam

> > . You will

> > > receive updates posted to www.andavan.org

> website

> > and other updates

> > straight

> > > from the Ashramam.

> > > >

> > > > To learn more about the andavan group, please

> > visit

> > > > andavan

> > > >

> > > > To start sending messages to members of this

> > group, simply

> > > > send email to

> > > > andavan

> > > >

> > > > If you do not wish to belong to andavan, you

> may

> > > > by sending an email to

> > > > andavan-

> > > >

> > > > To see and modify all of your groups, go to

> > > > /mygroups

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > R Srinivasan

> > > > Trustee, Andavan Ashramam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Madam,

 

This is the nature of a reply to your query as well as some mails being posted.

Let me clarify the issues as best as i can:

 

i) Samasrayanam and Saranagathi are absolutely necessary for all

SriVaishnavaites - The Thenkalai SriVaishnavaites may not attach much importance

to Saranagathi but I am not competent to comment on that.

 

ii) During the past 30/40 years, there have been thousands of sishyas who had

their Pancha Samskaram (Samasrayanam) performed earlier by SWayam Acharyas and

had opted to have their Saranagathi by HH Srimad Andavan (i mean both the 9th

and the 11th Peetathipathis). The reasons need not be gone into at this stage.

 

iii) There are many families where the spouse (sometimes the husband and on

other times the wife) is either unable to or unwilling to go through these

" rituals " . In one family, the father performed Saranagathi for his daughter very

soon after it was born; his father died within a couple of years at a ripe old

age of 78 (without performing Saranagathi) and the sons were more grieved by

this than by his passing away which was expected due to his cmplicated

illnesses. He didn't have a particular objection in Saranagathi but just kept on

postponing the event till the end.

 

iv) Whether the spouse agrees or not - it is a matter of faith - so do not force

him/her, but my advice will be that you approach HH, pray for your Pancha

Samskaram and or Saranagathi a day earlier and have these completed. the sooner

the better - no one knows what our life line holds, better do it NOW. Sooner

than later the spouse will follow. After all tens of thousands have performed

this act during the past decade and all of them cannot be fools. There must

something in this act that all Acharyas insist on the Sevarthis to get it done

as soon as possible.

 

v) Many persons try to avoid these with what they consider as " valid " reasons -

they are employed, they travel and have to eat out, they are compelled to visit

non SriVaishnavaite temples. All these are not valid reasons - if you perform

Aradhanams in your house, if you peform Tharpanams and Shrardhams for your

Pithrus, it is mandatory for you and your spouse to have Panchasamskarams -

there is no use in doing all these " rituals " without Panchasamskarams.

 

vi) If you believe in one as a matter of faith then the preamble to those

rituals is the Panchasamskarams - i realise the risk in making such a

categorical statement - some brilliant souls may say that they will not perform

the Tharpanams or the Shradhams - all i can say is their Pitrus are better off

without these rituals performed by their offsprings without the basic

qualification of Panchasamskaramas.

 

vii) The objections vide (v) above are sincerly held by many well meaning

sevarthis who cannot reconcile the holy act of Saranagathi with their daily

habits (though for some persons these are mere excuses!) All i can say that this

community has come very very far since the days a century ago when Uncha Vritti

was the mode of a Brahmin family to feed itself, every brahmin house had persons

who had Adhyayis and/or Adyapakas.

 

viii) Now there is a sea change with brahmins in jobs, professions and

businesses and i have dealt with this subject in my " Notes to Hon. Members "

posted a few days ago - so i will not repeat this. The point that even today the

SriVaishnavaites need their souls to be surrendered to the original owner, the

one and only Jagat Karanan. This can be best performed by an Acharya on our

behalf.

 

ix)While it is not the best option available - the saastras have very clear role

for brahmins - now that we are in our in respective jobs professions and

businesses the next best option will be to perform Saranagathi in spite of all

these valid " objections " . The alternate is unthinkable - for you to go another

21 births - we may not end up as a human after all. Kindly also note that i am

not posting this as a fund raising activity to attract more sishyas to the

Asramam. Saranagathi is an intense personal act between the soul, the Acharya

and the only Lord that ever was and that ever will be.

 

x) Maybe i should ask really learned scholars to write in the Paduka next time.

 

Warmest regards.

 

RR.

 

 

 

 

--

geeta prabhaker <gprabhaker

andavan

Tue, 8 Jul 2003 04:42:22 -0700 (PDT)

 

>

>

>Sir,

>

>Kindly explain about Bharanyasam is it compulsary

>after Samashranam.

>

>Geeta

>

>--- veera raghavan <rag_hand wrote:

>> Madam,

>>

>> As far as my knowledge is concerned, if

>> one had panchasamakram through Thirukudanthai

>> Andavan, he/she can have Bharanyasam through Current

>> Acharayan because he is from same guru parampara,

>> but it should not be done in other manner.

>>

>> ie Acharya can be anyone but he should follow the

>> same guru param para ( Muni thriyam)

>>

>> I am sure about it because I underwent many

>> discourses from Acharya.

>>

>>

>> lalitha <lalithar wrote:

>> Dear Sir,

>>

>> My mother has some doubt daily anusanthanam. Please

>> clarify

>> My mother had Panchasamaskaram (Samasanam) through

>> one Acharaya

>> (Swamyacharya)and Bharanyasam through another

>> acharya. Panchasamaskaram was

>> done very long back (during 1948) when she was very

>> young.

>> Now during daily anusanthanam she is reciting only

>> Thanians of Srimad

>> Andavan who has done Bharanyasam as she does not

>> know the details of

>> Swamyacharya. Is it correct or not. Please

>> clarify

>>

>> RANGANAYAKI

>>

>> > -

>> > andavan Moderator

>> <andavan-owner >

>> > <lalithar

>> > Friday, July 04, 2003 11:13 AM

>> > Welcome to andavan

>> >

>> >

>> > >

>> > > Hello,

>> > >

>> > > Welcome to Srimath Srirangam Andavan Ashramam

>> . You will

>> > receive updates posted to www.andavan.org website

>> and other updates

>> straight

>> > from the Ashramam.

>> > >

>> > > To learn more about the andavan group, please

>> visit

>> > > andavan

>> > >

>> > > To start sending messages to members of this

>> group, simply

>> > > send email to

>> > > andavan

>> > >

>> > > If you do not wish to belong to andavan, you may

>> > > by sending an email to

>> > > andavan-

>> > >

>> > > To see and modify all of your groups, go to

>> > > /mygroups

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Regards

>> > > R Srinivasan

>> > > Trustee, Andavan Ashramam

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >