Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Sri: Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha: Dear Andal Mukund, [Adiyen had the same question regarding eating outside etc and adiyen asked very knowledgeable elders in my home. This reply is from adiyen's understanding of advice given to me. It it feels wrong to any knowledgeable person, adiyen asks for pardon and seeks more authentic advice for the benefit of everyone.] Our elders' advice is that one should try to avoid eating outside in Hotels etc. and in general avoid eating anything that is not first offered to Perumal. We loose sharira shudhi when we dont follow the advice above and we earn Papam for not following our duties as prescribed by our scriptures .. Bharanyaasam is done to one's atma and not to sharira. Whether we earn Papam or Punyam using this sharira, it does not affect the act of Prapatti/Bharanyaasam done to Perumal through our Acharya. Moksham is DEFINITE. However one should pay for the Papam committed, either in this birth itself or in the following birth(s). Since a jeevatma who has undergone Saranagathy doesnt go through another birth, Perumal makes him/her to pay for these deeds while in this birth itself by giving Punishments as per the aparaadham. However here our Acharyas say that Perumal is lenient to a prapanna (one who has undergone) like a King being lenient to his son ("Raaja Putra Aparaathavath") when giving punishments. Similarly while Perumal will punish a prapanna for his/her acts that earns him Papam, the punishments will not result in a severe one as putting through that aatma in yet another body, but just mild punishments like old age, suffering because of ailments etc. to get rid of the karma. Ultimately whether one has eaten out or not, when the antima tarunam comes, the act of Bharanyaasam done earlier will definitely take this aathma to Perumal for eternal and blissful service to Him. Having said the above, we should however strive to follow our sampradayam like doing tri-kaala sandyavandanam, not eating out in hotels, not eating food not offered to perumal, being kind to all beings and ultimately seeing Perumal in everything. It will take a long time to reach such state. But we have take a first step even if it is small to ultimately reach such state. Also one should realize that Bharanyaasam for an aatma happens, like everything else, only on Perumal's will. Making us request our Acharya to perform Bharanyaasam is also only due to Perumal's will. An acharya also seeks His aagnya before agreeing the sishya's request for prappatti. Until Perumal decides, one might know and learn about bharanyaasam but will not (be able to) perform the act of Bharanyaasam due to one reason or other. dasan, Shyam Andal Mukund wrote: Dear Mr Rajagopal Your explanation was informative. If you donot mind I have a small doubt to raise regarding this topic.My inlaws have a feeling that anybody who eats in hotels, etc (other than made by iyengars) should not get Bharanyasam/samashranam done. In one of examples you have quoted that a new born kid underwent Bhranyasam. Now who knows where all this kid might go and have food in his later age?As far as I understand and as told by my parents and other elders (like Aandavan,Azagiyasingar), Bharanyasam is sharanatgathi or total Surrender to God with respect to all aspects. Now how is having food outside is the hindarance to surrender to God?? I am not able to relate both.Is it acceptable that a person doesnot eat anything outside , but still remains egoistic, does not respect others sentiments,still thinks that all is in hands (EGO) - can he/she attain the expected spiritual upliftment?I agree to that fact that before or after bharanyasam, we should get rid of all bad habits (if any) , have a pure heart and dedicate yourself at the feet of Lord. But in todays world, when yougsters like me are more than willing to get to follow these principles, the small thing of having food outside is a big hinderance.Could you please elaborate on this? I would be greatful to you.... Expecting your early response on this... With RegardsAndal Mukund R Rajagopal <rr wrote: Dear Madam, This is the nature of a reply to your query as well as some mails being posted. Let me clarify the issues as best as i can: i) Samasrayanam and Saranagathi are absolutely necessary for all SriVaishnavaites - The Thenkalai SriVaishnavaites may not attach much importance to Saranagathi but I am not competent to comment on that. ii) During the past 30/40 years, there have been thousands of sishyas who had their Pancha Samskaram (Samasrayanam) performed earlier by SWayam Acharyas and had opted to have their Saranagathi by HH Srimad Andavan (i mean both the 9th and the 11th Peetathipathis). The reasons need not be gone into at this stage. iii) There are many families where the spouse (sometimes the husband and on other times the wife) is either unable to or unwilling to go through these "rituals". In one family, the father performed Saranagathi for his daughter very soon after it was born; his father died within a couple of years at a ripe old age of 78 (without performing Saranagathi) and the sons were more grieved by this than by his passing away which was expected due to his cmplicated illnesses. He didn't have a particular objection in Saranagathi but just kept on postponing the event till the end. iv) Whether the spouse agrees or not - it is a matter of faith - so do not force him/her, but my advice will be that you approach HH, pray for your Pancha Samskaram and or Saranagathi a day earlier and have these completed. the sooner the better - no one knows what our life line holds, better do it NOW. Sooner than later the spouse will follow. After all tens of thousands have performed this act during the past decade and all of them cannot be fools. There must something in this act that all Acharyas insist on the Sevarthis to get it done as soon as possible. v) Many persons try to avoid these with what they consider as "valid" reasons - they are employed, they travel and have to eat out, they are compelled to visit non SriVaishnavaite temples. All these are not valid reasons - if you perform Aradhanams in your house, if you peform Tharpanams and Shrardhams for your Pithrus, it is mandatory for you and your spouse to have Panchasamskarams - there is no use in doing all these "rituals" without Panchasamskarams. vi) If you believe in one as a matter of faith then the preamble to those rituals is the Panchasamskarams - i realise the risk in making such a categorical statement - some brilliant souls may say that they will not perform the Tharpanams or the Shradhams - all i can say is their Pitrus are better off without these rituals performed by their offsprings without the basic qualification of Panchasamskaramas. vii) The objections vide (v) above are sincerly held by many well meaning sevarthis who cannot reconcile the holy act of Saranagathi with their daily habits (though for some persons these are mere excuses!) All i can say that this community has come very very far since the days a century ago when Uncha Vritti was the mode of a Brahmin family to feed itself, every brahmin house had persons who had Adhyayis and/or Adyapakas. viii) Now there is a sea change with brahmins in jobs, professions and businesses and i have dealt with this subject in my "Notes to Hon. Members" posted a few days ago - so i will not repeat this. The point that even today the SriVaishnavaites need their souls to be surrendered to the original owner, the one and only Jagat Karanan. This can be best performed by an Acharya on our behalf. ix)While it is not the best option available - the saastras have very clear role for brahmins - now that we are in our in respective jobs professions and businesses the next best option will be to perform Saranagathi in spite of all these valid "objections". The alternate is unthinkable - for you to go another 21 births - we may not end up as a human after all. Kindly also note that i am not posting this as a fund raising activity to attract more sishyas to the Asramam. Saranagathi is an intense personal act between the soul, the Acharya and the only Lord that ever was and that ever will be. x) Maybe i should ask really learned scholars to write in the Paduka next time. Warmest regards. RR. -- geeta prabhaker <gprabhaker andavan Tue, 8 Jul 2003 04:42:22 -0700 (PDT) > > >Sir, > >Kindly explain about Bharanyasam is it compulsary >after Samashranam. > >Geeta > >--- veera raghavan <rag_hand wrote: >> Madam, >> >> As far as my knowledge is concerned, if >> one had panchasamakram through Thirukudanthai >> Andavan, he/she can have Bharanyasam through Current >> Acharayan because he is from same guru parampara, >> but it should not be done in other manner. >> >> ie Acharya can be anyone but he should follow the >> same guru param para ( Muni thriyam) >> >> I am sure about it because I underwent many >> discourses from Acharya. >> >> >> lalitha <lalithar wrote: >> Dear Sir, >> >> My mother has some doubt daily anusanthanam. Please >> clarify >> My mother had Panchasamaskaram (Samasanam) through >> one Acharaya >> (Swamyacharya)and Bharanyasam through another >> acharya. Panchasamaskaram was >> done very long back (during 1948) when she was very >> young. >> Now during daily anusanthanam she is reciting only >> Thanians of Srimad >> Andavan who has done Bharanyasam as she does not >> know the details of >> Swamyacharya. Is it correct or not. Please >> clarify >> >> RANGANAYAKI >> >> > - >> > andavan Moderator >> <andavan-owner > >> > <lalithar >> > Friday, July 04, 2003 11:13 AM >> > Welcome to andavan >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Hello, >> > > >> > > Welcome to Srimath Srirangam Andavan Ashramam >> . 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Guest guest Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 Sri: Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha: Srimathe Ramanujaye Namaha : Respected learned, Adiyen got Samaasrayanam and Bharanyaasam by HH Srimushnanm Srimad Andavan 3 months ago. Adiyen is of 29 years old and unmarried and staying outside of my family.adiyen is forced to take food out side , maximum trying to take food from brahmin hotel.we (room mates ) cooked for 9 months and discontinued because of coming late from company and working in shifts problem.Adiyen doesn't know whether it is sin. Waht is the prayachitkaram for this. Adiyen Sri Krishnadasan --- Shyam Sreenivasan <shyam.sreenivasan wrote: > Sri: > Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha: > > Dear Andal Mukund, > > [Adiyen had the same question regarding eating > outside etc and adiyen > asked very knowledgeable elders in my home. This > reply is from adiyen's > understanding of advice given to me. It it feels > wrong to any > knowledgeable person, adiyen asks for pardon and > seeks more authentic > advice for the benefit of everyone.] > > Our elders' advice is that one should try to avoid > eating outside in > Hotels etc. and in general avoid eating anything > that is not first > offered to Perumal. We loose sharira shudhi when we > dont follow the > advice above and we earn Papam for not following our > duties as > prescribed by our scriptures . Bharanyaasam is done > to one's atma and > not to sharira. Whether we earn Papam or Punyam > using this sharira, it > does not affect the act of Prapatti/Bharanyaasam > done to Perumal through > our Acharya. Moksham is DEFINITE. > > However one should pay for the Papam committed, > either in this birth > itself or in the following birth(s). Since a > jeevatma who has undergone > Saranagathy doesnt go through another birth, Perumal > makes him/her to > pay for these deeds while in this birth itself by > giving Punishments as > per the aparaadham. However here our Acharyas say > that Perumal is > lenient to a prapanna (one who has undergone) like a > King being lenient > to his son ( " Raaja Putra Aparaathavath " ) when giving > punishments. > Similarly while Perumal will punish a prapanna for > his/her acts that > earns him Papam, the punishments will not result in > a severe one as > putting through that aatma in yet another body, but > just mild > punishments like old age, suffering because of > ailments etc. to get rid > of the karma. Ultimately whether one has eaten out > or not, when the > antima tarunam comes, the act of Bharanyaasam done > earlier will > definitely take this aathma to Perumal for eternal > and blissful service > to Him. > > Having said the above, we should however strive to > follow our > sampradayam like doing tri-kaala sandyavandanam, not > eating out in > hotels, not eating food not offered to perumal, > being kind to all beings > and ultimately seeing Perumal in everything. It will > take a long time to > reach such state. But we have take a first step even > if it is small to > ultimately reach such state. > > Also one should realize that Bharanyaasam for an > aatma happens, like > everything else, only on Perumal's will. Making us > request our Acharya > to perform Bharanyaasam is also only due to > Perumal's will. An acharya > also seeks His aagnya before agreeing the sishya's > request for > prappatti. Until Perumal decides, one might know and > learn about > bharanyaasam but will not (be able to) perform the > act of Bharanyaasam > due to one reason or other. > > dasan, > Shyam > > Andal Mukund wrote: > > > Dear Mr Rajagopal > > Your explanation was informative. If you donot > mind I have a small > > doubt to raise regarding this topic.My inlaws have > a feeling that > > anybody who eats in hotels, etc (other than made > by iyengars) should > > not get Bharanyasam/samashranam done. In one of > examples you have > > quoted that a new born kid underwent Bhranyasam. > Now who knows where > > all this kid might go and have food in his later > age?As far as I > > understand and as told by my parents and other > elders (like > > Aandavan,Azagiyasingar), Bharanyasam is > sharanatgathi or total > > Surrender to God with respect to all aspects. Now > how is having food > > outside is the hindarance to surrender to God?? I > am not able to > > relate both.Is it acceptable that a person doesnot > eat anything > > outside , but still remains egoistic, does not > respect others > > sentiments,still thinks that all is in hands (EGO) > - can he/she attain > > the expected spiritual upliftment?I agree to that > fact that before or > > after bharanyasam, we should get rid of all bad > habits (if any) , have > > a pure heart and dedicate yourself at the feet of > Lord. But in todays > > world, when yougsters like me are more than > willing to get to follow > > these principles, the small thing of having food > outside is a big > > hinderance.Could you please elaborate on this? I > would be greatful to > > you.... Expecting your early response on this... > With RegardsAndal > > Mukund > > R Rajagopal <rr wrote: > > > > Dear Madam, > > > > This is the nature of a reply to your query > as well as some > > mails being posted. Let me clarify the issues > as best as i > > can: > > > > i) Samasrayanam and Saranagathi are > absolutely necessary for > > all SriVaishnavaites - The Thenkalai > SriVaishnavaites may > > not attach much importance to Saranagathi but > I am not > > competent to comment on that. > > > > ii) During the past 30/40 years, there have > been thousands > > of sishyas who had their Pancha Samskaram > (Samasrayanam) > > performed earlier by SWayam Acharyas and had > opted to have > > their Saranagathi by HH Srimad Andavan (i > mean both the 9th > > and the 11th Peetathipathis). The reasons > need not be gone > > into at this stage. > > > > iii) There are many families where the spouse > (sometimes the > > husband and on other times the wife) is > either unable to or > > unwilling to go through these " rituals " . In > one family, the > > father performed Saranagathi for his daughter > very soon > > after it was born; his father died within a > couple of years > > at a ripe old age of 78 (without performing > Saranagathi) and > > the sons were more grieved by this than by > his passing away > > which was expected due to his cmplicated > illnesses. He > > didn't have a particular objection in > Saranagathi but just > > kept on postponing the event till the end. > > > > iv) Whether the spouse agrees or not - it is > a matter of > > faith - so do not force him/her, but my > advice will be that > > you approach HH, pray for your Pancha > Samskaram and or > > Saranagathi a day earlier and have these > completed. the > > sooner the better - no one knows what our > life line holds, > > better do it NOW. Sooner than later the > spouse will follow. > > After all tens of thousands have performed > this act during > > the past decade and all of them cannot be > fools. There must > > something in this act that all Acharyas > insist === message truncated === SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 Dear Sri Kannan, I just waited that somebody,who may be an authority on this subject will reply to your querry.In the absence of that ,I would like to say the following to the best of my knowledge. Bharanyasam is absolute surrender to Sriman Narayana, through your own Acharyan. You are surrendering yourself and your soul to Him, as if it is His own property and from then onwards, you are leaving it to Him for everything ,good or bad, for protection.BHARANYASAM IS IN NO WAY CONNECTED OR AFFECTED WITH YOUR FOOD HABITS(vegetarian, of course|), FORCED BY CIRCUMSTANCES ,BEYOND YOUR CONTROL.Have absolute faith in your Acharyan and Sriman Narayana. That is the essence of Bharanyasam and you will be alright. If I get any more useful postings come on this ,I will keep you informed. Daasan, R.Srinivasan --- " Kannan P. " <digikan2000 wrote: > Sri: > Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha: > Srimathe Ramanujaye Namaha : > Respected learned, > Adiyen got Samaasrayanam and Bharanyaasam by HH > Srimushnanm Srimad Andavan 3 months ago. Adiyen is > of > 29 years old and unmarried and staying outside of my > family.adiyen is forced to take food out side , > maximum trying to take food from brahmin hotel.we > (room mates ) cooked for 9 months and discontinued > because of coming late from company and working in > shifts problem.Adiyen doesn't know whether it is > sin. > Waht is the prayachitkaram for this. > > Adiyen > Sri Krishnadasan > > --- Shyam Sreenivasan > <shyam.sreenivasan wrote: > > Sri: > > Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha: > > > > Dear Andal Mukund, > > > > [Adiyen had the same question regarding eating > > outside etc and adiyen > > asked very knowledgeable elders in my home. This > > reply is from adiyen's > > understanding of advice given to me. It it feels > > wrong to any > > knowledgeable person, adiyen asks for pardon and > > seeks more authentic > > advice for the benefit of everyone.] > > > > Our elders' advice is that one should try to avoid > > eating outside in > > Hotels etc. and in general avoid eating anything > > that is not first > > offered to Perumal. We loose sharira shudhi when > we > > dont follow the > > advice above and we earn Papam for not following > our > > duties as > > prescribed by our scriptures . Bharanyaasam is > done > > to one's atma and > > not to sharira. Whether we earn Papam or Punyam > > using this sharira, it > > does not affect the act of Prapatti/Bharanyaasam > > done to Perumal through > > our Acharya. Moksham is DEFINITE. > > > > However one should pay for the Papam committed, > > either in this birth > > itself or in the following birth(s). Since a > > jeevatma who has undergone > > Saranagathy doesnt go through another birth, > Perumal > > makes him/her to > > pay for these deeds while in this birth itself by > > giving Punishments as > > per the aparaadham. However here our Acharyas say > > that Perumal is > > lenient to a prapanna (one who has undergone) like > a > > King being lenient > > to his son ( " Raaja Putra Aparaathavath " ) when > giving > > punishments. > > Similarly while Perumal will punish a prapanna for > > his/her acts that > > earns him Papam, the punishments will not result > in > > a severe one as > > putting through that aatma in yet another body, > but > > just mild > > punishments like old age, suffering because of > > ailments etc. to get rid > > of the karma. Ultimately whether one has eaten out > > or not, when the > > antima tarunam comes, the act of Bharanyaasam done > > earlier will > > definitely take this aathma to Perumal for eternal > > and blissful service > > to Him. > > > > Having said the above, we should however strive to > > follow our > > sampradayam like doing tri-kaala sandyavandanam, > not > > eating out in > > hotels, not eating food not offered to perumal, > > being kind to all beings > > and ultimately seeing Perumal in everything. It > will > > take a long time to > > reach such state. But we have take a first step > even > > if it is small to > > ultimately reach such state. > > > > Also one should realize that Bharanyaasam for an > > aatma happens, like > > everything else, only on Perumal's will. Making us > > request our Acharya > > to perform Bharanyaasam is also only due to > > Perumal's will. An acharya > > also seeks His aagnya before agreeing the sishya's > > request for > > prappatti. Until Perumal decides, one might know > and > > learn about > > bharanyaasam but will not (be able to) perform the > > act of Bharanyaasam > > due to one reason or other. > > > > dasan, > > Shyam > > > > Andal Mukund wrote: > > > > > Dear Mr Rajagopal > > > Your explanation was informative. If you donot > > mind I have a small > > > doubt to raise regarding this topic.My inlaws > have > > a feeling that > > > anybody who eats in hotels, etc (other than made > > by iyengars) should > > > not get Bharanyasam/samashranam done. In one of > > examples you have > > > quoted that a new born kid underwent Bhranyasam. > > Now who knows where > > > all this kid might go and have food in his later > > age?As far as I > > > understand and as told by my parents and other > > elders (like > > > Aandavan,Azagiyasingar), Bharanyasam is > > sharanatgathi or total > > > Surrender to God with respect to all aspects. > Now > > how is having food > > > outside is the hindarance to surrender to God?? > I > > am not able to > > > relate both.Is it acceptable that a person > doesnot > > eat anything > > > outside , but still remains egoistic, does not > > respect others > > > sentiments,still thinks that all is in hands > (EGO) > > - can he/she attain > > > the expected spiritual upliftment?I agree to > that > > fact that before or > > > after bharanyasam, we should get rid of all bad > > habits (if any) , have > > > a pure heart and dedicate yourself at the feet > of > > Lord. But in todays > > > world, when yougsters like me are more than > > willing to get to follow > > > these principles, the small thing of having food > > outside is a big > > > hinderance.Could you please elaborate on this? I > > would be greatful to > > > you.... Expecting your early response on this... > > With RegardsAndal > > > Mukund > > > R Rajagopal <rr wrote: > > > > > > Dear Madam, > > > > > > This is the nature of a reply to your query > > as well as some > > > mails being posted. Let me clarify the > issues > > as best as i > > > can: > > > > > > i) Samasrayanam and Saranagathi are > > absolutely necessary for > > > all SriVaishnavaites - The Thenkalai > > SriVaishnavaites may > > > not attach much importance to Saranagathi > but > > I am not > > > competent to comment on that. > > > > > > ii) During the past 30/40 years, there have > > been thousands > > > of sishyas who had their Pancha Samskaram > > (Samasrayanam) > > > performed earlier by SWayam Acharyas and > had > > opted to have > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Dear Shri R.Srinivasan Thank you very much for your reply.Let Sriman Narayana do what ever HE wants.let adiyen continue to do the duty and have faith on HIM. sri krishnadasan. --- Srinivasan Rangaswamy <r_sv wrote: > Dear Sri Kannan, > I just waited that somebody,who > may be an authority on this subject will reply to > your > querry.In the absence of that ,I would like to say > the > following to the best of my knowledge. Bharanyasam > is > absolute surrender to Sriman Narayana, through your > own Acharyan. You are surrendering yourself and your > soul to Him, as if it is His own property and from > then onwards, you are leaving it to Him for > everything > ,good or bad, for protection.BHARANYASAM IS IN NO > WAY > CONNECTED OR AFFECTED WITH YOUR FOOD > HABITS(vegetarian, of course|), FORCED BY > CIRCUMSTANCES ,BEYOND YOUR CONTROL.Have absolute > faith > in your Acharyan and Sriman Narayana. That is the > essence of Bharanyasam and you will be alright. > If I get any more useful postings come on this ,I > will > keep you informed. > Daasan, > R.Srinivasan > > > --- " Kannan P. " <digikan2000 wrote: > > Sri: > > Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha: > > Srimathe Ramanujaye Namaha : > > Respected learned, > > Adiyen got Samaasrayanam and Bharanyaasam by HH > > Srimushnanm Srimad Andavan 3 months ago. Adiyen is > > of > > 29 years old and unmarried and staying outside of > my > > family.adiyen is forced to take food out side , > > maximum trying to take food from brahmin hotel.we > > (room mates ) cooked for 9 months and discontinued > > because of coming late from company and working in > > shifts problem.Adiyen doesn't know whether it is > > sin. > > Waht is the prayachitkaram for this. > > > > Adiyen > > Sri Krishnadasan > > > > --- Shyam Sreenivasan > > <shyam.sreenivasan wrote: > > > Sri: > > > Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha: > > > > > > Dear Andal Mukund, > > > > > > [Adiyen had the same question regarding eating > > > outside etc and adiyen > > > asked very knowledgeable elders in my home. This > > > reply is from adiyen's > > > understanding of advice given to me. It it feels > > > wrong to any > > > knowledgeable person, adiyen asks for pardon and > > > seeks more authentic > > > advice for the benefit of everyone.] > > > > > > Our elders' advice is that one should try to > avoid > > > eating outside in > > > Hotels etc. and in general avoid eating anything > > > that is not first > > > offered to Perumal. We loose sharira shudhi when > > we > > > dont follow the > > > advice above and we earn Papam for not following > > our > > > duties as > > > prescribed by our scriptures . Bharanyaasam is > > done > > > to one's atma and > > > not to sharira. Whether we earn Papam or Punyam > > > using this sharira, it > > > does not affect the act of Prapatti/Bharanyaasam > > > done to Perumal through > > > our Acharya. Moksham is DEFINITE. > > > > > > However one should pay for the Papam committed, > > > either in this birth > > > itself or in the following birth(s). Since a > > > jeevatma who has undergone > > > Saranagathy doesnt go through another birth, > > Perumal > > > makes him/her to > > > pay for these deeds while in this birth itself > by > > > giving Punishments as > > > per the aparaadham. However here our Acharyas > say > > > that Perumal is > > > lenient to a prapanna (one who has undergone) > like > > a > > > King being lenient > > > to his son ( " Raaja Putra Aparaathavath " ) when > > giving > > > punishments. > > > Similarly while Perumal will punish a prapanna > for > > > his/her acts that > > > earns him Papam, the punishments will not result > > in > > > a severe one as > > > putting through that aatma in yet another body, > > but > > > just mild > > > punishments like old age, suffering because of > > > ailments etc. to get rid > > > of the karma. Ultimately whether one has eaten > out > > > or not, when the > > > antima tarunam comes, the act of Bharanyaasam > done > > > earlier will > > > definitely take this aathma to Perumal for > eternal > > > and blissful service > > > to Him. > > > > > > Having said the above, we should however strive > to > > > follow our > > > sampradayam like doing tri-kaala sandyavandanam, > > not > > > eating out in > > > hotels, not eating food not offered to perumal, > > > being kind to all beings > > > and ultimately seeing Perumal in everything. It > > will > > > take a long time to > > > reach such state. But we have take a first step > > even > > > if it is small to > > > ultimately reach such state. > > > > > > Also one should realize that Bharanyaasam for an > > > aatma happens, like > > > everything else, only on Perumal's will. Making > us > > > request our Acharya > > > to perform Bharanyaasam is also only due to > > > Perumal's will. An acharya > > > also seeks His aagnya before agreeing the > sishya's > > > request for > > > prappatti. Until Perumal decides, one might know > > and > > > learn about > > > bharanyaasam but will not (be able to) perform > the > > > act of Bharanyaasam > > > due to one reason or other. > > > > > > dasan, > > > Shyam > > > > > > Andal Mukund wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mr Rajagopal > > > > Your explanation was informative. If you donot > > > mind I have a small > > > > doubt to raise regarding this topic.My inlaws > > have > > > a feeling that > > > > anybody who eats in hotels, etc (other than > made > > > by iyengars) should > > > > not get Bharanyasam/samashranam done. In one > of > > > examples you have > > > > quoted that a new born kid underwent > Bhranyasam. > > > Now who knows where > > > > all this kid might go and have food in his > later > > > age?As far as I > > > > understand and as told by my parents and other > > > elders (like > > > > Aandavan,Azagiyasingar), Bharanyasam is > > > sharanatgathi or total > > > > Surrender to God with respect to all aspects. > > Now > > > how is having food > > > > outside is the hindarance to surrender to > God?? > > I > > > am not able to > > > > relate both.Is it acceptable that a person > > doesnot > > > eat anything > > > > outside , but still remains egoistic, does not > > > respect others > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2003 Report Share Posted July 26, 2003 Dear RS, Excellent and simple vyakyanam - may i suggest one correction please? You are surrendering yourself and your soul to Him, " as if it is His own property " - is your bottomline. May i say that your, my and our and all our friends' (for that matter, enemies'if any) souls all DO BELONG TO SN (i.e., SRIMAN NARAYANA) - NO AS IF HERE. What our great Acharyas do is to return the soul to the original owner, the Jagat Karanan. You may call it Surrendering your Soul or Bara Samarpanam (i.e., the enormous weight of your soul is being submitted back to SN - there is no appropriate word in English for Samarpanam - Submission or Surrender do indicate the concept but not the exact literal translation.) Other than that what a brilliant but totally simple reply to Kannan - i think you should render the next Upanyasam at Annanagar Asramam!! Warmest regards. RR. -- " Kannan P. " <digikan2000 andavan Fri, 25 Jul 2003 03:05:51 -0700 (PDT) >Dear Shri R.Srinivasan >Thank you very much for your reply.Let Sriman Narayana >do what ever HE wants.let adiyen continue to do the >duty and have faith on HIM. > >sri krishnadasan. >--- Srinivasan Rangaswamy <r_sv wrote: >> Dear Sri Kannan, >> I just waited that somebody,who >> may be an authority on this subject will reply to >> your >> querry.In the absence of that ,I would like to say >> the >> following to the best of my knowledge. Bharanyasam >> is >> absolute surrender to Sriman Narayana, through your >> own Acharyan. You are surrendering yourself and your >> soul to Him, as if it is His own property and from >> then onwards, you are leaving it to Him for >> everything >> ,good or bad, for protection.BHARANYASAM IS IN NO >> WAY >> CONNECTED OR AFFECTED WITH YOUR FOOD >> HABITS(vegetarian, of course|), FORCED BY >> CIRCUMSTANCES ,BEYOND YOUR CONTROL.Have absolute >> faith >> in your Acharyan and Sriman Narayana. That is the >> essence of Bharanyasam and you will be alright. >> If I get any more useful postings come on this ,I >> will >> keep you informed. >> Daasan, >> R.Srinivasan >> >> >> --- " Kannan P. " <digikan2000 wrote: >> > Sri: >> > Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha: >> > Srimathe Ramanujaye Namaha : >> > Respected learned, >> > Adiyen got Samaasrayanam and Bharanyaasam by HH >> > Srimushnanm Srimad Andavan 3 months ago. Adiyen is >> > of >> > 29 years old and unmarried and staying outside of >> my >> > family.adiyen is forced to take food out side , >> > maximum trying to take food from brahmin hotel.we >> > (room mates ) cooked for 9 months and discontinued >> > because of coming late from company and working in >> > shifts problem.Adiyen doesn't know whether it is >> > sin. >> > Waht is the prayachitkaram for this. >> > >> > Adiyen >> > Sri Krishnadasan >> > >> > --- Shyam Sreenivasan >> > <shyam.sreenivasan wrote: >> > > Sri: >> > > Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha: >> > > >> > > Dear Andal Mukund, >> > > >> > > [Adiyen had the same question regarding eating >> > > outside etc and adiyen >> > > asked very knowledgeable elders in my home. This >> > > reply is from adiyen's >> > > understanding of advice given to me. It it feels >> > > wrong to any >> > > knowledgeable person, adiyen asks for pardon and >> > > seeks more authentic >> > > advice for the benefit of everyone.] >> > > >> > > Our elders' advice is that one should try to >> avoid >> > > eating outside in >> > > Hotels etc. and in general avoid eating anything >> > > that is not first >> > > offered to Perumal. We loose sharira shudhi when >> > we >> > > dont follow the >> > > advice above and we earn Papam for not following >> > our >> > > duties as >> > > prescribed by our scriptures . Bharanyaasam is >> > done >> > > to one's atma and >> > > not to sharira. Whether we earn Papam or Punyam >> > > using this sharira, it >> > > does not affect the act of Prapatti/Bharanyaasam >> > > done to Perumal through >> > > our Acharya. Moksham is DEFINITE. >> > > >> > > However one should pay for the Papam committed, >> > > either in this birth >> > > itself or in the following birth(s). Since a >> > > jeevatma who has undergone >> > > Saranagathy doesnt go through another birth, >> > Perumal >> > > makes him/her to >> > > pay for these deeds while in this birth itself >> by >> > > giving Punishments as >> > > per the aparaadham. However here our Acharyas >> say >> > > that Perumal is >> > > lenient to a prapanna (one who has undergone) >> like >> > a >> > > King being lenient >> > > to his son ( " Raaja Putra Aparaathavath " ) when >> > giving >> > > punishments. >> > > Similarly while Perumal will punish a prapanna >> for >> > > his/her acts that >> > > earns him Papam, the punishments will not result >> > in >> > > a severe one as >> > > putting through that aatma in yet another body, >> > but >> > > just mild >> > > punishments like old age, suffering because of >> > > ailments etc. to get rid >> > > of the karma. Ultimately whether one has eaten >> out >> > > or not, when the >> > > antima tarunam comes, the act of Bharanyaasam >> done >> > > earlier will >> > > definitely take this aathma to Perumal for >> eternal >> > > and blissful service >> > > to Him. >> > > >> > > Having said the above, we should however strive >> to >> > > follow our >> > > sampradayam like doing tri-kaala sandyavandanam, >> > not >> > > eating out in >> > > hotels, not eating food not offered to perumal, >> > > being kind to all beings >> > > and ultimately seeing Perumal in everything. It >> > will >> > > take a long time to >> > > reach such state. But we have take a first step >> > even >> > > if it is small to >> > > ultimately reach such state. >> > > >> > > Also one should realize that Bharanyaasam for an >> > > aatma happens, like >> > > everything else, only on Perumal's will. Making >> us >> > > request our Acharya >> > > to perform Bharanyaasam is also only due to >> > > Perumal's will. An acharya >> > > also seeks His aagnya before agreeing the >> sishya's >> > > request for >> > > prappatti. Until Perumal decides, one might know >> > and >> > > learn about >> > > bharanyaasam but will not (be able to) perform >> the >> > > act of Bharanyaasam >> > > due to one reason or other. >> > > >> > > dasan, >> > > Shyam >> > > >> > > Andal Mukund wrote: >> > > >> > > > Dear Mr Rajagopal >> > > > Your explanation was informative. If you donot >> > > mind I have a small >> > > > doubt to raise regarding this topic.My inlaws >> > have >> > > a feeling that >> > > > anybody who eats in hotels, etc (other than >> made >> > > by iyengars) should >> > > > not get Bharanyasam/samashranam done. In one >> of >> > > examples you have >> > > > quoted that a new born kid underwent >> Bhranyasam. >> > > Now who knows where >> > > > all this kid might go and have food in his >> later >> > > age?As far as I >> > > > understand and as told by my parents and other >> > > elders (like >> > > > Aandavan,Azagiyasingar), Bharanyasam is >> > > sharanatgathi or total >> > > > Surrender to God with respect to all aspects. >> > Now >> > > how is having food >> > > > outside is the hindarance to surrender to >> God?? >> > I >> > > am not able to >> > > > relate both.Is it acceptable that a person >> > doesnot >> > > eat anything >> > > > outside , but still remains egoistic, does not >> > > respect others >> >=== message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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