Guest guest Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 > On Tuesday, October 14, 2003 vikram rao wrote: > 1.Why should a soul be punished(or rewarded as the case > may be) for the actions of a material body? Are you referring to the punishment like svarga/naraka or moxa Ananda/andhantamas? In any case, sharira is a jaDa and just like the way a driver of the vehicle gets punished for an accident, so also the soul is the one that gets punished. > 2.It is the material brain that 'directs' us to do things, Not really -- the 'brain' is jaDa and when the soul leaves the body this material brain stops working, so there must be something else that directs this 'material brain' - It is indeed the Lord who controls everything at all times by giving preraNa [thr' abhimAni devata-s] according to the svabhAva and anAdi karma of that jIva. > and how can a soul be held accountable for the actions of our body? > 3.And moreover soul has no control over our body right?so again > How is it that soul is being held for the actions of what ever we do? The jIva, mistakenly identifies with the jaDa body and thinks that it is doing the action due to its attachment to this sthUla body, hence it reaps the punishment as well. > 4. For instance,We can not feel our souls, > we do not INTERACT with it in any manner... > our soul does not get hungry... > so how do we associate ourselves with this soul? I hope i get > the message accross...for example we can feel our body,similarly how can we > physically or otherwise identify ourselves with this soul? What do you mean? 'we' or 'me' is the soul and not the body. Soul is not a physical entity made of paJNcha bhUta-s. The soul, due to anAdi karma-s, has attachment to the jaDa body and identifies itself with the body, hence feels the pain etc. Without sharIra, soul cannot do its sAdhana to reach its rightful destination. A satvika soul uses the 'body' to exhaust its karma and in that process *realizes* that he is not the 'body' and thus knows itself and the Lord as per its yogyata. Regards, Meera Tadipatri > Vikram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2003 Report Share Posted October 22, 2003 Dear Shri Vikram Rao,Vandanam. Humbly I send these points for your thoughts. Your quaries semm to take round s around a few centers as i have understood. Soul,Its body,Organs,actions and results.(atma,deha,indriya,karma,Phala.) Basic postulates and cocepts about these if understood as described in shastras and confirmed by own experiences would help us to find repliesto our questions. They can be as under. Jeevatma has swarupa deha(jnanandamaya or dukhah ajnamaya or mixed as the case may be according to jeeva yogyata).Linga deha,suxma deha and bhouika deha. These are the folders of the jeeva. Through the last cognisible (just like that) last type of deha we jeevas having been brought to this world (srushti) are opportuned to perform in this world according to swabhava and prabhava. Every performance termed as karma would have its Phala,the result.It may cause joy or misery to us. Karma and their Gati are very complex.It forms abig deleberation by itself as Shri krishna put it in Geeta-Karmano gahana gatih.A discussion on this I remember had taken place in internet During 9/11 happening and i too participated in it. 2.In the The Bhoutika or Sthula sharira the Indriyas golakas look like as if they themselves are Indriyas.But they are not.They are only jadas ,exibitive parts.The active indriyas are successively inside the other shariras and finally in the jeevaswarupa. 3.The bhoutika sharira indriyas are inert without them being activated by the actual indriya s of the jeeva.If they are inactivated by the jeva they are just the parts of the dead body. So now it becomes clear as to how we cannot put he blame on the inert bhoutika deha or the jada inriya golaks. Obviously, the chetana becomes responsible for all the actions of indriyas and the body. Out of these the Manas plays /forms very important roll.It contains four compartments Manas(sankalpa vikalpa) Buddhi(Nishchayatmaka),Chitta And chetana.All these aspects behave according to the jeeva swabhava. Thus it becomes obvious that the primary requirment of a saadhaka is that he should cosolidate thinking that body and the jeeva that is his self are different entities.Thn he would be lead to Atma saxatkara and Paramatma saxatkarara. A thorough study of Bhagavdgeeta on the lines of Acharya Madhwas explanations should greately contribute to find oneself comfortable to find solutions for his doubts in matters of all these such asDEHA, JEEVA, KARMA and Yoga for Salvation. This is what i would humbly submit to my Adhyama Bandhus.Vadanam. --- vikram rao <vikram_rao_31 wrote: > Dear All, > I have one simple doubt.It is a fact that we are all > souls and not this material body.I agree to this > 100%.But the doubt that I have is: > 1.Why should a soul be punished(or rewarded as the > case may be) for the actions of a material body? > 2.It is the material brain that 'directs' us to do > things,and how can a soul be held accountable for > the actions of our body? > 3.And moreover soul has no control over our body > right?so again How is it that soul is being held for > the actions of what ever we do? > 4.And more ,though I understand that I am soul on > paper,but when it comes to practicality of life I > find it extremely hard to understand it.For > instance,We can not feel our souls,we do not > INTERACT with it in any manner...our soul does not > get hungry...so how do we associate ourselves with > this soul? I hope i get the message accross...for > example we can feel our body,similarly how can we > physically or otherwise identify ourselves with this > soul? > I hope elders in this group will be able to guide me > by answering to my doubts. > Regards > Vikram > > > > > The New with improved product search The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha: Srimathe Nigamantha mahadesikaya Namaha: Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha: Adiyen has some doubts , can any one clarify 1) What is the difference between Sri lakshmi hayagreevar and Sri lakshmi hayavadana perumal 2) If samasrayanam ,prapatti is done to a boy, who is undergoing vedha abhyasam, can he learn and chant rudram and other things which praises other deity. will his prapatti will get nullified by doing so. 3) By what means one's papam and punyam are carried to his subsequent births , beacause we say athma will not take part in our(body) actions. Adiyen Srikrishna dasan Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile./maildemo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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