Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 With due respect to Shri Vijaya Rahavan this writer begs to differ friend. What was originally laid down by the sastras, rituals cannot be abbreviated for 'convenience'. Convenience is for the Supreme and not for us humans, especially in these matters. Especially for those who are 'karta' in case of their Mothers are no more. For Mother's shrardham / similar monthly works it is said that one may undertake and bear any amount of inconveniences including borrowing by pledging onself as a slave in bondage to a Landlord!!! . Therefore, this has to be done on a month-on-month basis. General tradition says that temple visits may be avoided because during the year when the unfortunate event has occured, and the months which occur upto 1 yr. The highest importance is given to the departed soul/pitru. Even during actual Shrardham days one does not visit any temple, nor does one light the god's lamp until the rituals are concluded. Once we start compromising for our conveniences, then there is no end. Errors may be pardoned.The writer is just offering his humble opinion based on his limited knowledge in good faith. Om tat sat Tat tvam asi Vijaya Raghavan <svrvan andavan m> cc: Re: Information / clarification 07/19/04 11:17 requested PM Please respond to andavan from my little knowledge I would like to add that acc to the actual custom, the 13 day functions are supposed to be on monthly basis for the 12 months. Now for the convinence, it has been made to 13 days. So we can go to all temples as we are going to the temple on the 13th day. But, have to avoid hill temples and the temples with the 9 prakaras like srirangam. Dasan/raghavan --- Murali Srinivasan <muralias2000 wrote: > All, > > I request you to pass on me the information as to > whether a person can go to temples before completing > the 'VARUSHAPTHIGAM' if he has lost his father / > mother. I would be grateful, if you could pls. > enlighten me on this. > > Adiyen, > Murali > > > > > > > Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign! > http://advision.webevents.//votelifeengine/ > > > Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.//votelifeengine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 All, As we are going to temple on 13th day, there is no harm in going to nearby residence temples before I year anniversary. Going to nearby temples only helps the KARTHA to feel light in heart of reducing sorrows/agonies. Please continue to go to the temples except hill temples Dasan Srinivasan --- Murali Srinivasan <muralias2000 wrote: All, I request you to pass on me the information as to whether a person can go to temples before completing the 'VARUSHAPTHIGAM' if he has lost his father / mother. I would be grateful, if you could pls. enlighten me on this. Adiyen, Murali Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.//votelifeengine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 SRI HARI DEAR MURALI ONE CAN GO TO TEMPLES AFTER THE 13th day subham. however, one should not go t o DIVYA DESAMS, PUNYA TEERTHAMS OR HOLY HILLS LIKE TIRUMALA, SOLINGAR ETC. as the entire year is deeksha year. all the best e.s.mukundan --- Murali Srinivasan <muralias2000 wrote: > All, > > I request you to pass on me the information as to > whether a person can go to temples before completing > the 'VARUSHAPTHIGAM' if he has lost his father / > mother. I would be grateful, if you could pls. > enlighten me on this. > > Adiyen, > Murali > > > > > > > Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign! > http://advision.webevents.//votelifeengine/ > > > Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.//votelifeengine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Sir, Thank you very much for your clarification. Adiyen, Murali Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.//votelifeengine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Respected Srinivasan Raman Sir: With absolute respect for your sincere sentiments, which seems totally appropriate given the circumstances, the proximity of temples is of least significance. Strictly speaking the 'spot' / the very place where the Gayathri Japam is done is one of Supreme temple. And in orthodox tradition and practices, worship is a private matter and hence each house has got a small 'sannadhi/temple' in the form of images, pictures and related items of worship. Typically, this 'temple' is inside the kitchen in one corner where the housewife lights the daily 'deepam' as the first act in the mornings and evenings just before dusk. This 'temple' in our own house may be used for the purposes indicated by you i.e. for meditating and drawing strength and peace in view of the bereavement encountered. The sastras while not expressly forbidding temple visits per se - to the best of one's limited knowledge - have laid down certain traditional rules of conduct. All these are based on sound logical scientific reasoning. When you step out of the house even to go to a nearby temple, the variables multiply. Uncertainty is the 'rule' once we are outside our familiar environment. We may run into some friend, some relation, may have to witness some unpleasant scene, maybe a fight; temptations may try to lure our already weary mind. There are too many distractions outside and there is no gainsaying that an already burdened mind with sorrows will have the strength to overcome everything, at all times, at every step. Someone may bump into you and exclaim " oh hullo, so how are you, how is your so and so? " You will choke in attempting to reply to this person who may not be aware of the bereavement. The mind will be in a state of 'para vairagya' typically devoid of all feelings, full of remorse, fond rememberances,regrets, love and a mix of emotions. Literally it will be in a state of inexplicable turmoil. In such circumstances, although you may justify saying that once inside the temple precincts/premises you will pray and obtain sustenance through peaceful contemplation of the Lord/God/Image, still your mind may not literally permit. The brain is one of the most fascinating and trickiest organ. The ultimate mystery. Imagine: You may witness an accident, or see a most tender scene of a cow petting its calf, or you may hear an abuse by a passing drunkard. Everything your 5 senses encounter especially the eyes and ears will be subjected by the (already) weary, confused mind to intense scrutiny and the interpretations may range from the fantastically extraordinary to the most profound to the utterly silliest one. Further, the mind being what it is, every sight, every sound, every encounter and experience when you proceed from the house to the temple and back will be recorded with total automation. You may or may not wish, but the recording will take place. Recollections will get selectively superimposed on the sub-consciousness and the chance of such super-imposition(s) impinging on the already confused, burdened shocked emotional set up and adds to one's burden. Definitely your very purpose of visiting the temple is lost. Our elders therefore, ordained by practices that during such times one stays put in one's familiar surroundings/home until such TIME, STARS/PLANETARY POSITIONS, OUR OWN PHYSICAL/PHYSIOLOGICAL MAKEUP/EMOTIONS everything work in co-operation and at the right time and right opportunity one may start off ones life in the normal manner after the abrupt break occasioned by the unfortunate event. Therefore, whatever worship or meditation one intends to do may be achieved by (a) doing the Sandhya without fail especially the Gayathri part, which will take care of the mental burden and (b) silently worshipping the 'home-temple'. Finally, What is sought to be portrayed above is a broad picture. Please consult your acharya and elders before taking the call on these matters. What this writer has mentioned is his humble, yet worthless opinion based on his limited knowledge and is said in good faith. Om tat sat Tat Tvam asi srinivasan raman <vashan10 (AT) (DOT) andavan co.in> cc: Re: Information / clarification 07/20/04 12:10 requested PM Please respond to andavan All, As we are going to temple on 13th day, there is no harm in going to nearby residence temples before I year anniversary. Going to nearby temples only helps the KARTHA to feel light in heart of reducing sorrows/agonies. Please continue to go to the temples except hill temples Dasan Srinivasan --- Murali Srinivasan <muralias2000 wrote: All, I request you to pass on me the information as to whether a person can go to temples before completing the 'VARUSHAPTHIGAM' if he has lost his father / mother. I would be grateful, if you could pls. enlighten me on this. Adiyen, Murali ttp://docs./info/terms/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 I do not want to create a debate here. But I concur with Shri Vijayaraghavan swami and others who have supported going to temples during the first year. My understanding of Shri Vijayraghavan swami's posting is that the sapindikaranam which can be performed anytime between the 12th day and the 1st year is performed on 12th day itself. The kartha is impure only till he performs sapindikaranam even though he has dheeksha for a year in the case of mother's/father's krityam. I think he did not talk of cutting down the mAsikAs. There are some differences between Srivaishnava sampradayam and others. Even during the days of shraddham a Srivaishnavan is supported to perform Bhagavad-ArAdhanam before starting the shrAddham, which I understand is not prevalent in other traditions. I appreciate the view points of Shri Ramachandran. However at the same time, I would like to point out the differences across the traditions. dAsan, Sudarsanan - s.ramachandran Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:44 am Re: Information / clarification requested > > > > > With due respect to Shri Vijaya Rahavan this writer begs to differ > friend.What was originally laid down by the sastras, rituals > cannot be abbreviated > for 'convenience'. Convenience is for the Supreme and not for us > humans,especially in these matters. Especially for those who are > 'karta' in case > of their Mothers are no more. For Mother's shrardham / similar monthly > works it is said that one may undertake and bear any amount of > inconveniences including borrowing by pledging onself as a slave > in bondage > to a Landlord!!! . Therefore, this has to be done on a month-on- > monthbasis. General tradition says that temple visits may be > avoided because > during the year when the unfortunate event has occured, and the > monthswhich occur upto 1 yr. The highest importance is given to > the departed > soul/pitru. Even during actual Shrardham days one does not visit any > temple, nor does one light the god's lamp until the rituals are > concluded. > Once we start compromising for our conveniences, then there is no end. > Errors may be pardoned.The writer is just offering his humble > opinion based > on his limited knowledge in good faith. > > > Om tat sat > Tat tvam asi > > > > > Vijaya Raghavan > > <svrvan To: > andavan > m> cc: > > Re: > Information / clarification > 07/19/04 11:17 requested > > PM > > Please respond > > to andavan > > > from my little knowledge I would like to add that > acc to the actual custom, the 13 day functions are > supposed to be on monthly basis for the 12 months. > > Now for the convinence, it has been made to 13 days. > > So we can go to all temples as we are going to the > temple on the 13th day. But, have to avoid hill > temples and the temples with the 9 prakaras like > srirangam. > > Dasan/raghavan > > > --- Murali Srinivasan <muralias2000 wrote: > > All, > > > > I request you to pass on me the information as to > > whether a person can go to temples before completing > > the 'VARUSHAPTHIGAM' if he has lost his father / > > mother. I would be grateful, if you could pls. > > enlighten me on this. > > > > Adiyen, > > Murali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign! > > > http://advision.webevents.//votelifeengine/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign! > http://advision.webevents.//votelifeengine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Dear Bagawathas, Not to belittle any body or any tradition, I have a vignyapanam. Like Ramachandra swami has a view that the karta has to avoid going to the temple I presume swami feels that the karta will be living with other austerities like foregoing the bed/ pillows and to forget eating outside and to adhere to one time meal for the whole year. The 12th day was preponed from the Year end to the 12th day by our great proponents, for so many reasons. Let us take one. This being the first sharda and the day the deceased is united with his family there, there should be no other 'Theetu' till that day. Just think of the possibilities if we are to perform it at the year end. We have to have a healthy debate on all issues, as dasan is of the view that the Vaishnava Siddanta is the much eveolved form and it has all the room for discussion and clarification. I belive that is why from gurunanak to mahaveer to gandhiji all were for ShriRam. dasan/Raghavn --- sudar.san wrote: > > I do not want to create a debate here. But I concur > with Shri Vijayaraghavan swami and others who have > supported going to temples during the first year. My > understanding of Shri Vijayraghavan swami's posting > is that the sapindikaranam which can be performed > anytime between the 12th day and the 1st year is > performed on 12th day itself. The kartha is impure > only till he performs sapindikaranam even though he > has dheeksha for a year in the case of > mother's/father's krityam. I think he did not talk > of cutting down the mAsikAs. > > There are some differences between Srivaishnava > sampradayam and others. Even during the days of > shraddham a Srivaishnavan is supported to perform > Bhagavad-ArAdhanam before starting the shrAddham, > which I understand is not prevalent in other > traditions. > > I appreciate the view points of Shri Ramachandran. > However at the same time, I would like to point out > the differences across the traditions. > > dAsan, > Sudarsanan > > > - > s.ramachandran > Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:44 am > Re: Information / clarification > requested > > > > > > > > > > > With due respect to Shri Vijaya Rahavan this > writer begs to differ > > friend.What was originally laid down by the > sastras, rituals > > cannot be abbreviated > > for 'convenience'. Convenience is for the Supreme > and not for us > > humans,especially in these matters. Especially for > those who are > > 'karta' in case > > of their Mothers are no more. For Mother's > shrardham / similar monthly > > works it is said that one may undertake and bear > any amount of > > inconveniences including borrowing by pledging > onself as a slave > > in bondage > > to a Landlord!!! . Therefore, this has to be > done on a month-on- > > monthbasis. General tradition says that temple > visits may be > > avoided because > > during the year when the unfortunate event has > occured, and the > > monthswhich occur upto 1 yr. The highest > importance is given to > > the departed > > soul/pitru. Even during actual Shrardham days one > does not visit any > > temple, nor does one light the god's lamp until > the rituals are > > concluded. > > Once we start compromising for our conveniences, > then there is no end. > > Errors may be pardoned.The writer is just offering > his humble > > opinion based > > on his limited knowledge in good faith. > > > > > > Om tat sat > > Tat tvam asi > > > > > > > > > > > Vijaya Raghavan > > > > > <svrvan To: > > > andavan > > > m> cc: > > > > > > Re: > > Information / clarification > > 07/19/04 11:17 > requested > > > > PM > > > > > Please respond > > > > > to andavan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from my little knowledge I would like to add that > > acc to the actual custom, the 13 day functions are > > supposed to be on monthly basis for the 12 months. > > > > Now for the convinence, it has been made to 13 > days. > > > > So we can go to all temples as we are going to the > > temple on the 13th day. But, have to avoid hill > > temples and the temples with the 9 prakaras like > > srirangam. > > > > Dasan/raghavan > > > > > > --- Murali Srinivasan <muralias2000 > wrote: > > > All, > > > > > > I request you to pass on me the information as > to > > > whether a person can go to temples before > completing > > > the 'VARUSHAPTHIGAM' if he has lost his father / > > > mother. I would be grateful, if you could pls. > > > enlighten me on this. > > > > > > Adiyen, > > > Murali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign! > > > > > > http://advision.webevents.//votelifeengine/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign! > > > http://advision.webevents.//votelifeengine/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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