Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 SrI: SrImate ra’ngarAmAnuja mahAdeSikAya nama: SrImate SrInivAsa rAmAnuja mahAdeSikAya nama: SrImate vedAnta rAmAnuja mahAdeSikAya nama: SrI ra’nganAtha divya maNi pAdukAbhyAm nama: SrI ra’ngarAmAnuja mahAdeSika divya pAdukAbhyAm nama: AcArya rAmAmRtam - Nov 05 - 2 Translation of SrImad rAmAyaNa upanyAsam in tamizh by SrImad tirukkuDandai ANDavan As published in SrI ra’nganAtha pAdukA by SrI U.Ve. nATTEri kiDAmbi rAjagopAlAcAriyAr (Editor of SrI ra’nganAtha pAdukA) SrImad ANDavan tiruvaDi, kalyANi krshNamAcAri ===================================== SrI: AcArya rAmAmRtam SrImad rAmAyaNa upanyAsam by SrImad tirukkuDandai ANDavan I have a doubt relating to that. vibhIshaNan performed SaraNAgati! My doubt is about what for did he perform SaraNAgati. deSikan is raising this question in his abhayapradhAna sAram – Did he perform SaraNAgati for getting the kingdom, or did he perform SaraNAgati in order to get moksham by performing kainkaryam to bhagavAn? Our AcAryan has concluded that he did SaraNAgati for kaimkaryam. If we look at rAmAyaNa Slokams, a Slokam says “rAjyArthI”. This gives the meaning that he is only after rAjyam. Even when A’njaneyar speaks, He objects to jAmbavAn’s statement that vibhIshaNa did not come at the right time and says “rAjyam prArthayamAna:”. There are lots of wonderful meanings in this section. That is what was meant when we said yesterday - “kAmArtha guNa samyuktam dharmArtha guNa vistaram samudramiva ratnADhyam sarva Sruti manoharam “ – that there are a lot of intricate meanings in abundance. VibhIshaNan does SaraNAgati. Why are they analyzing that? They are discussing whether to accept him or not. Someone says that anybody can be taken in, but, not one who has come from the enemy’s camp. Each person says something different. When JAmbavAn was asked “What do you think?”, he says “It is okay to take in someone who comes from the enemy camp, but adeSa kAle samprAptam – “He did not come at the right time. He kept quiet for 10 months and did it occur to him to come only today? He did not come in the right place and the right time”. A’njaneyar was asked. Immediately, sugrIvan said “You don’t have to ask him. Do as You wish”. He told rAma: “You will think what he says is divine. Since he has returned after already seeing Your Consort, only his words will carry weight with you. So, what he says is what you will take. You will not take what we all say”. A person who brings news from the wife is definitely great. Even kALidAsan says “kANtASleshAt atigasubaga: kAminAm dUtalAbha:” – an astounding statement. “We do not even need to have things we desire close to us; it is people who convey news about those desired things who are even more special”. rAman says to SugrIva: “No. Let me ask HanumAn”. HanumAn listened to everything and said: “He is a very good person. The time he came is the most appropriate time, and the place is the most appropriate place”. SrI rAman said that vibhIshaNa must be accepted without fail. Immediately, sugrIvan said “You will only listen to his words. I already said that earlier. What I said has come true now. So, You are saying the same thing that A’njaneya said”. rAman said “I did not have the same thought as he did”;. SugrIva countered: “You say he (vibhIshaNa) should be accepted. A’janeya said the same thing”. BhagavAn said that was not His opinion. He said: ”Do not see the ‘decree’ in the ‘judgement’; look at the ‘wording’. Anjaneyar said - “He does not have any faults; he can be accepted; he is flawless”. My opinion is: ”Whether he has fault or he is faultless, he has sought refuge, and he should be accepted. So, this is not Hanuman’s opinion and this is not the opinion of any of you;. This is my ‘judgement’”. This is one side. Besides, did he come for rAjyam? Or, did he come for kaimkaryam? Hanuman says “rAjyam prArthayamAna:”. There are other Slokams; there is one by vibhIshaNa AzhvAn.“bhavadgatam me rAjyam ca jIvitam ca sukhAni ca” – rAma! You are everything for me. I pray only to you for rAjyam, Sukham etc. How do you decide now? Only ‘judges’ can decide. We should decide whether to take the vAdi’s (defendant) side or prativAdi (prosecution) side. People have made big ‘argument’ about this. There may be a big book. It has been decided “he did SaraNAgati only for kaimkaryam”. They all argue for argument’s sake – but, he did SaraNAgati only for kaimkaryam. There is a very interesting discussion here. “samudramiva ratnADhyam”, right? My AcAryA raised a small question. ”People go to vaikuNTham, right? JivAtmAs join bhagavAn; the two are with each other. Sastram says – the jIva-s do dAsa kRtyam. Our elders ask us to look to rAmAyaNam for example of (dAsa kRtyam). We should carefully look at this. sugrIvan performs SaraNAgati to rAman and is inseparably with Him and is singularly involved in happily doing kaimkaryam to Him primarily. When vibhIshaNan does SaraNAgati, bhagavAn says he should be accepted. But sugrIvan says no. Thus, there is this kind of difference of opinion. And we are asked to look to rAmAyaNam for an example of how it (dAsa kRtyam) will be in vaikunTham after the jIva attains moksham. Will there be similar difference of opinion between perumAL and the person who goes there?” ValmIki says “sugrIvam SaraNam gata:”, “taraNi suta SaraNAgati paratantrIkRta svAtantrya”. Both move very intimately. Both rAman and sugrIvan have said - “ekam du:kham sukham ca nou” . They have become friends with agni as the witness. If these two have this kind of difference of opinion, there will be differences of opinion in vaikuNTham also. Is it appropriate to look at examples likes these (to know how the jIva and bhagavAn will interact with each other in vaikunTham). What does the AcAryar say? The AcAryar says that both sugrIva and rAma are expressing the same opinion. He said that sugrIvan’s opinion that “vibhIShaNan should not be taken in”, and rAman’s opinion, are the same. How? VibhIshaNan said “no” and rAmar said “take him in”; aren’t the two opinions different? How are you saying both are having the same opinion? “Both are giving their opinions based on the same thought in mind. Therefore their opinions are the same. The decisions involving ‘Yes, we should accept him’ and ‘No, we should not accept him’ are made based on the same reasoning. Why did rAman say that he should be acceped? Because, when one comes saying SaraNam, he should be protected. When one offers surrender, one must necessarily be protected. There is no higher sAstram superior to that. ‘tam mAtA pitruhantAram api pAti bhavArti hA’. “If one has murdered his father and mother, and if he comes to Me and says SaraNam, then I have to protect him. That is SAstram; there is no higher dharmam than that.” “na go pradAnam na ca bhU pradAnam na dravya dAnam na ca hema dAnam “ rAma’s position is: “It has been declared that it is not superior if one donates cows; it is not superior if one donates land. It is not superior if one donates gold. But ‘abhayapradAnam pradAnam’ - when one comes and surrenders, giving protection to him is the most superior. So, I should protect when one comes and surrenders; I will not leave the person who surrendered unprotected”. sugrIvan also says “I said ‘No’ to accepting vibhIshaNa only because I also wanted to protect the person who did SaraNAgati. You did SaraNAgati to me. So, is it not necessary that I protect You? “What if this person who has come from the enemy camp drops a stone on Your head when You are sleeping?” Thus, the guiding principle is the same for the one who says “no” and the one who says “yes” - protection of the surrenderer is the dharmam. In this, let us look at the question “Did rAman do SaraNAgati to SugrIvan, or did SugrIvan do SaraNAgati to rAman? The heading (for upanyaAsam) in papers says “sugrIva SaraNAgati”. (Based on samskRt grammar), this can mean “sugrIva’s SaraNAgati”, or “SaraNAgati to sugrIva”. It can be said either way – SugrIvan did SaraNAgati to rAman or rAman did SaraNAgati to SugrIvan. It can be said SaraNAgati to SugrIvan or SaraNAgati of SugrIvan. How is that? sugrIvan did not do SaraNAgati to rAman. It was rAman who did SaraNAgati to SugrIvan. “taraNi suta SaraNAgati paratantrI kRta svAtanrya:!“ (says swAmi dESikan in raghuvIra gadyam). “aham caiva ca rAmaSca sugrIvam SaraNam gatau” “esha dattvA ca vittAni prApya cAnuttamam yaSa: lokanAtha: purA bhUtvA sugrIvam nAthamicchati || yasya prasAde sakalA: prasIdeyurimA: prajA: | sa rAmo vAnarendrasya prasAdam abhikAnkshate ||” What a Slokam! When it is vAlmIki’s Slokam, honey will be dripping from it. He is such a beautiful poet. Sweet poet. That is why kamban said “vAngarum pAdam nAngum vagutta vAlmIki enbAn tInkani SevigaL Arat tEvarum parugac ceydAn “. yasya prasAde sakalA: prasIdeyu: imA: prajA: | sa rAmo vAnarendrasya prasAdam abhikAnkhsate || That rAman, whose blessings are craved for by whole world, is praying for a monkey’s blessing. What atrocity is this? “aham caiva ca rAma: ca sugrIvam SaraNam gata:” – thus it is rAman who has performed SaraNAgati to sugrIvan. SugrIvan is saying that vibhishaNan should not be taken in, for the sake of protecting the surrenderer. What if vibhIshaNan does something in the night? “You are saying we should take in vibhIshaNan! I have to only protect the person who surrendered to me. Both of us have the same ‘aim’. We are just saying it in different words. What is important is the protection of one who has surrendered. Thus there are lots of intricate meanings - “samudramiva rathnADhyam sarva Sruti manoharam”. I am going to say vyAkyAnam only for this Slokam. I have not prepared for anything else. Had other things to do; I have to fill the time now; so I have to say something or the other! (AcAryan laughs! Everyone in the audience enjoys this humor and laughs!) ======================= To be continued……… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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