Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Dear all, Recently I had been to Tirupati and there were lot of changes. One good change is the place is veyr neat considering the number of people who visit there. We went there for Kalayana Uthsavam. We did not book it earlier and through some person managed to get a ticket for kalayana Uthsavam. I payed 50% more than the normal price. I decided this is the last time I am going to do like this. But this raises an important point of discussion. Is Tirupati becoming a money making venture? Should the darshans be charged? In a country where 80% of the people are below the poverty line, how will they pay money to get darshan of lord? The intent of going to temple is to surrender and forgive your papa. People go there with lot of mental agony and tension and want to be peaceful while they are in the temple town. By charging money from individuals, I do not think we are doing the right thing. People might still argue that there are free darshan. But imagine the time it takes to do a free darshan. So we are saying that if you pay money you can get darshan faster, which defeats our principle that all are equal before lord. There is a discrimination based on ones spending power. Now how do we avoid this? Is there a way? My intent, temples should not be treated as money making ventures. Aadiyen, Shriram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha ! Srimathe Nigamanha Mahadesikaya Namaha ! Srimathe Sri Lakshminrisimha Divyapadukasevaka Srivan Satakopa Sri NarayanaYatindra Mahadesikaya namaha! Dear Mr. Shriram , Your note with concern on the various ' Sevais' at Tirupathi . We all agree that every one is equal before Sriman Narayanan. As HE is the ' SRINIDHI ' , no worldly money can afford to buy HIM. One should not forget the amount of crowd drawn to Tirupathi every day from morning to next morning almost. Lord's Darshan for public is closed only for a few hours in the early morning, that too only to conduct the temple rituals . Otherwise the Lord offers HIS darshan to every one equally , day in and day out for millions of people , for a very short time . When the crowd is on the increase day by day , unless we have the present system , no one would be able to control it. The temple authorities there, are doing an excellent job , considering the type of people visiting the shrine. One has to have the EMPATHY to appeciate the 'Kainkaryam' done . It is easily said than done. The extra money that U paid is nothing but the penalty the Lord made U to pay for your unplanned visit. If one is disciplined and do proper planning in every activity , we are sure , one need not pay anything extra. If U have so much feeling on this issue , U should never have gone with any influence to have darshan. One cannot havethe butter and eat it at the same time. We are sure U would agree. It might look a bit blunt , but that is the truth. In our sampradayam ' ANUSHTANAM' is given more weightage than 'KNOWLEDGE' part of it. It is well said by the phrase ' practice before one preaches' . If every one in he world start looking at this aspect , the way , you have done and observe strict discipline in all our activities , have full conviction in our noble principles and prepared to devote the required time for the darshan of the Lord , then the temple would not be a place , where one is forced to spend the extra money , as narrated by you. So long as we want quick darshan , wll visit the temple , the moment we decide to do so and will not be disciplined in life , we ae sorry , w have to pay these penalties. Remember . God will never come in this world through an AVATAR in kaliyug , unless HE locates a Prahlad and HE will punish the offenders , only like these . We are sure your point is addressd well. Adiyen , Ramanuja Dasan , G.Sampath. s_shrirama <s_shrirama wrote: Dear all,Recently I had been to Tirupati and there were lot of changes. Onegood change is the place is veyr neat considering the number of peoplewho visit there.We went there for Kalayana Uthsavam. We did not book it earlier andthrough some person managed to get a ticket for kalayana Uthsavam. Ipayed 50% more than the normal price. I decided this is the last timeI am going to do like this. But this raises an important point of discussion. Is Tirupati becominga money making venture? Should the darshans be charged? In a countrywhere 80% of the people are below the poverty line, how will they paymoney to get darshan of lord? The intent of going to temple is tosurrender and forgive your papa. People go there with lot of mentalagony and tension and want to be peaceful while they are in the templetown. By charging money from individuals, I do not think we are doingthe right thing.People might still argue that there are free darshan. But imagine thetime it takes to do a free darshan. So we are saying that if you paymoney you can get darshan faster, which defeats our principle that allare equal before lord. There is a discrimination based on onesspending power.Now how do we avoid this? Is there a way? My intent, temples shouldnot be treated as money making ventures. Aadiyen,Shriram Jiyo cricket on India cricket Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 I beg to differ from your opinion. Here is what I sincerely felt after reading your response. 1. If you wanted a real darshan you should not have done this in the first place "paying a premium and procuring the ticket" it is like getting a movie ticket for a premium. 2. Secondly, you should not complain about the same having done the same papa the very reason that we all go to Him to rinse off our papa. 3. The only way to avoid paying your premium is take your cool time off before your plan a trip to Tirupathi. The main reason is every wants everything quick then you pay the price. Because Tirupathi is a place where millions of people visit for His Darshan. You have to wait in the line to get your turn. We always blame others for what is happening.. Let each and ever one piitch in to avoid paying these premiums. Then there will be no black ticket seelrs there in a holy place like Tirupathi. Sincerely, Srnivasan,Riverside,CA. "s_shrirama" <s_shriramaandavan To: andavan Subject: Tirupati Visit.Tue, 07 Mar 2006 04:25:51 -0000Dear all,Recently I had been to Tirupati and there were lot of changes. Onegood change is the place is veyr neat considering the number of peoplewho visit there.We went there for Kalayana Uthsavam. We did not book it earlier andthrough some person managed to get a ticket for kalayana Uthsavam. Ipayed 50% more than the normal price. I decided this is the last timeI am going to do like this.But this raises an important point of discussion. Is Tirupati becominga money making venture? Should the darshans be charged? In a countrywhere 80% of the people are below the poverty line, how will they paymoney to get darshan of lord? The intent of going to temple is tosurrender and forgive your papa. People go there with lot of mentalagony and tension and want to be peaceful while they are in the templetown. By charging money from individuals, I do not think we are doingthe right thing.People might still argue that there are free darshan. But imagine thetime it takes to do a free darshan. So we are saying that if you paymoney you can get darshan faster, which defeats our principle that allare equal before lord. There is a discrimination based on onesspending power.Now how do we avoid this? Is there a way? My intent, temples shouldnot be treated as money making ventures.Aadiyen,Shriram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Dear Shrirama When in was in college we used to go to Tirupati temple in groups and we pay INR 15 for special dharsan used to discuss with my friends we used to pay that why should the temple have paid dharsans. One of my friend named R.Madhavan immediately replied... in fact the they are charging less, if they can charge more and more from the rich and the temple can distribute to the wealth to poor people, through so many Social service schemes they have got. Adiyen soundararajan s_shrirama [s_shrirama] Tuesday, March 07, 2006 11:26 AM andavan Tirupati Visit. Dear all, Recently I had been to Tirupati and there were lot of changes. One good change is the place is veyr neat considering the number of people who visit there. We went there for Kalayana Uthsavam. We did not book it earlier and through some person managed to get a ticket for kalayana Uthsavam. I payed 50% more than the normal price. I decided this is the last time I am going to do like this. But this raises an important point of discussion. Is Tirupati becoming a money making venture? Should the darshans be charged? In a country where 80% of the people are below the poverty line, how will they pay money to get darshan of lord? The intent of going to temple is to surrender and forgive your papa. People go there with lot of mental agony and tension and want to be peaceful while they are in the temple town. By charging money from individuals, I do not think we are doing the right thing. People might still argue that there are free darshan. But imagine the time it takes to do a free darshan. So we are saying that if you pay money you can get darshan faster, which defeats our principle that all are equal before lord. There is a discrimination based on ones spending power. Now how do we avoid this? Is there a way? My intent, temples should not be treated as money making ventures. Aadiyen, Shriram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 --- s_shrirama <s_shrirama wrote: Dear all, Recently I had been to Tirupati and there were lot of changes. One good change is the place is veyr neat considering the number of people who visit there. We went there for Kalayana Uthsavam. We did not book it earlier and through some person managed to get a ticket for kalayana Uthsavam. I payed 50% more than the normal price. I decided this is the last time I am going to do like this. But this raises an important point of discussion. Is Tirupati becoming a money making venture? Should the darshans be charged? In a country where 80% of the people are below the poverty line, how will they pay money to get darshan of lord? The intent of going to temple is to surrender and forgive your papa. People go there with lot of mental agony and tension and want to be peaceful while they are in the temple town. By charging money from individuals, I do not think we are doing the right thing. People might still argue that there are free darshan. But imagine the time it takes to do a free darshan. So we are saying that if you pay money you can get darshan faster, which defeats our principle that all are equal before lord. There is a discrimination based on ones spending power. Now how do we avoid this? Is there a way? My intent, temples should not be treated as money making ventures. Aadiyen, Shriram As far as I know and also the regulars who go to Tirupathi know there are well established procedures for having darshan of the Lord at all levels .You could have simply followed the procedure and booked your visit for the available day. You have simply fallen a prey to some tout probably in your anxiety to have a grand Darshan of the Lord of seven hills during an unplanned visit of yours. We cannot hold the system responsible for our behaviour. I am sorry if I have hurt your feelings but the fact is that TTD Devastanam has laid down the rules for accomodating all the devotees and we should NOT take recourse to shortcuts .. May the LORD ALMIGHTY Shower HIS blessings on you and your near and dear ones. adiyen Anjore Kidambi Vijayaraghavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Dear Shriram I have often heard my parents tell that tirupathi perumal grants right of darshan only on his wish and not on our wish. This time he had made you commit some thing which you did not like. Think what is the meaning. Everyone in life at some point in time do a lot of small mistakes like this.There cannot be anyone here who can throw stone at you because may be we did not do it in Tirupathi but elsewhere. Everything which is not accepted by our relegious norms and perioyors ( elders) are definitely wrong. Do you know under our vaishnavite tradition we all are to reach god thru a acharyan.Our good or bad deeds will also affect acharyan. So what I would request you is to throw your knowledge, pride , false sense and all other things which count as agangaram and go and pray to your acharyan for forgiveness. Last but not the least do not repeat this again.If possible donate for some scheme of TTD whatever you feel and accept the fact that there are lot of needy who are serviced by TTD. Thanks and regards Sowmya Narayanan.K.V. Moscow, Russia. > > s_shrirama <s_shrirama wrote: > Dear all, > > Recently I had been to Tirupati and there were lot > of changes. One > good change is the place is veyr neat considering > the number of people > who visit there. > > We went there for Kalayana Uthsavam. We did not book > it earlier and > through some person managed to get a ticket for > kalayana Uthsavam. I > payed 50% more than the normal price. I decided this > is the last time > I am going to do like this. > > But this raises an important point of discussion. Is > Tirupati becoming > a money making venture? Should the darshans be > charged? In a country > where 80% of the people are below the poverty line, > how will they pay > money to get darshan of lord? The intent of going to > temple is to > surrender and forgive your papa. People go there > with lot of mental > agony and tension and want to be peaceful while they > are in the temple > town. By charging money from individuals, I do not > think we are doing > the right thing. > > People might still argue that there are free > darshan. But imagine the > time it takes to do a free darshan. So we are saying > that if you pay > money you can get darshan faster, which defeats our > principle that all > are equal before lord. There is a discrimination > based on ones > spending power. > > Now how do we avoid this? Is there a way? My intent, > temples should > not be treated as money making ventures. > > Aadiyen, > Shriram > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Dear Sir, Money power is only upto the point near the actual gate of the temple... you would have observed this: once you get near the temple entrance (infact, just a small distance before entrance; after the queue) all types of darsanams get merged. I feel that this is to show the equality of all in front of God. This is the only way in which the temple can handle so many devotees. I donot see a point how this scheme can be removed. Regards, Shrinidhi Dasan"vijayaraghavan a.k.," <v_kidambiin wrote: --- s_shrirama <s_shrirama wrote:Dear all,Recently I had been to Tirupati and there were lot ofchanges. Onegood change is the place is veyr neat considering thenumber of peoplewho visit there.We went there for Kalayana Uthsavam. We did not bookit earlier andthrough some person managed to get a ticket forkalayana Uthsavam. Ipayed 50% more than the normal price. I decided thisis the last timeI am going to do like this. But this raises an important point of discussion. IsTirupati becominga money making venture? Should the darshans becharged? In a countrywhere 80% of the people are below the poverty line,how will they paymoney to get darshan of lord? The intent of going totemple is tosurrender and forgive your papa. People go there withlot of mentalagony and tension and want to be peaceful while theyare in the templetown. By charging money from individuals, I do notthink we are doingthe right thing.People might still argue that there are free darshan.But imagine thetime it takes to do a free darshan. So we are sayingthat if you paymoney you can get darshan faster, which defeats ourprinciple that allare equal before lord. There is a discrimination basedon onesspending power.Now how do we avoid this? Is there a way? My intent,temples shouldnot be treated as money making ventures. Aadiyen,ShriramAs far as I know and also the regulars who go toTirupathi know there are well established proceduresfor having darshan of the Lord at all levels .Youcould have simply followed the procedure and bookedyour visit for the available day. You have simplyfallen a prey to some tout probably in your anxiety tohave a grand Darshan of the Lord of seven hills duringan unplanned visit of yours. We cannot hold the systemresponsible for our behaviour. I am sorry if I havehurt your feelings but the fact is that TTD Devastanamhas laid down the rules for accomodating all thedevotees and we should NOT take recourse to shortcuts. May the LORD ALMIGHTY Shower HIS blessings on you andyour near and dear ones.adiyenAnjore Kidambi Vijayaraghavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Dear devoutees: This writer believes that in the Sabarimala temple, all are treated equally and there is no concept of special/paid darshan. Its one single big block of people jostling. Though somewhat disorganised it also has some semblance of equality. No harm in thinking aloud. But what would happen if all the various types of darshans are removed at Tirumala and there is a single 'FREE' darshan for all types of people, except for maybe the President or Prime Minister (only these two individuals since they cannot afford to stand in a Q). Not even chief ministers, or any other minister. What would happen? Things would perhaps become simple maybe. Even now for free darshan, there is a band/tag which everyone wears and the timings are pretty well known in advance...... All that will happen is people will have to plan but they will be assured of a darshan in so-and-so time range....... Thanking you Regards -Phone 24910492 X.3019 or 3141 Anand Shrinidhi <shrinidhi_phd@y andavan ahoo.com> cc: Sent by: Re: Tirupati Visit. andavan@gro ups.com 03/11/06 02:36 PM Please respond to andavan Dear Sir, Money power is only upto the point near the actual gate of the temple... you would have observed this: once you get near the temple entrance (infact, just a small distance before entrance; after the queue) all types of darsanams get merged. I feel that this is to show the equality of all in front of God. This is the only way in which the temple can handle so many devotees. I donot see a point how this scheme can be removed. Regards, Shrinidhi Dasan " vijayaraghavan a.k., " <v_kidambiin wrote: --- s_shrirama <s_shrirama wrote: Dear all, Recently I had been to Tirupati and there were lot of changes. One good change is the place is veyr neat considering the number of people who visit there. We went there for Kalayana Uthsavam. We did not book it earlier and through some person managed to get a ticket for kalayana Uthsavam. I payed 50% more than the normal price. I decided this is the last time I am going to do like this. But this raises an important point of discussion. Is Tirupati becoming a money making venture? Should the darshans be charged? In a country where 80% of the people are below the poverty line, how will they pay money to get darshan of lord? The intent of going to temple is to surrender and forgive your papa. People go there with lot of mental agony and tension and want to be peaceful while they are in the temple town. By charging money from individuals, I do not think we are doing the right thing. People might still argue that there are free darshan. But imagine the time it takes to do a free darshan. So we are saying that if you pay money you can get darshan faster, which defeats our principle that all are equal before lord. There is a discrimination based on ones spending power. Now how do we avoid this? Is there a way? My intent, temples should not be treated as money making ventures. Aadiyen, Shriram As far as I know and also the regulars who go to Tirupathi know there are well established procedures for having darshan of the Lord at all levels .You could have simply followed the procedure and booked your visit for the available day. You have simply fallen a prey to some tout probably in your anxiety to have a grand Darshan of the Lord of seven hills during an unplanned visit of yours. We cannot hold the system responsible for our behaviour. I am sorry if I have hurt your feelings but the fact is that TTD Devastanam has laid down the rules for accomodating all the devotees and we should NOT take recourse to shortcuts .. May the LORD ALMIGHTY Shower HIS blessings on you and your near and dear ones. adiyen Anjore Kidambi Vijayaraghavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 All this to tax the devotees to collect money for use by political powerful bosses for their own selfish purpose.Why is not the money collected channeled back to various poor temples for their renovation and upkeep. s.ramachandran wrote: Dear devoutees: This writer believes that in the Sabarimala temple, all are treated equally and there is no concept of special/paid darshan. Its one single big block of people jostling. Though somewhat disorganised it also has some semblance of equality. No harm in thinking aloud. But what would happen if all the various types of darshans are removed at Tirumala and there is a single 'FREE' darshan for all types of people, except for maybe the President or Prime Minister (only these two individuals since they cannot afford to stand in a Q). Not even chief ministers, or any other minister. What would happen? Things would perhaps become simple maybe. Even now for free darshan, there is a band/tag which everyone wears and the timings are pretty well known in advance...... All that will happen is people will have to plan but they will be assured of a darshan in so-and-so time range....... Thanking you Regards -Phone 24910492 X.3019 or 3141 Anand Shrinidhi <shrinidhi_phd@y andavan ahoo.com> cc: Sent by: Re: Tirupati Visit. andavan@gro ups.com 03/11/06 02:36 PM Please respond to andavan Dear Sir, Money power is only upto the point near the actual gate of the temple... you would have observed this: once you get near the temple entrance (infact, just a small distance before entrance; after the queue) all types of darsanams get merged. I feel that this is to show the equality of all in front of God. This is the only way in which the temple can handle so many devotees. I donot see a point how this scheme can be removed. Regards, Shrinidhi Dasan "vijayaraghavan a.k.," <v_kidambiin wrote: --- s_shrirama <s_shrirama wrote: Dear all, Recently I had been to Tirupati and there were lot of changes. One good change is the place is veyr neat considering the number of people who visit there. We went there for Kalayana Uthsavam. We did not book it earlier and through some person managed to get a ticket for kalayana Uthsavam. I payed 50% more than the normal price. I decided this is the last time I am going to do like this. But this raises an important point of discussion. Is Tirupati becoming a money making venture? Should the darshans be charged? In a country where 80% of the people are below the poverty line, how will they pay money to get darshan of lord? The intent of going to temple is to surrender and forgive your papa. People go there with lot of mental agony and tension and want to be peaceful while they are in the temple town. By charging money from individuals, I do not think we are doing the right thing. People might still argue that there are free darshan. But imagine the time it takes to do a free darshan. So we are saying that if you pay money you can get darshan faster, which defeats our principle that all are equal before lord. There is a discrimination based on ones spending power. Now how do we avoid this? Is there a way? My intent, temples should not be treated as money making ventures. Aadiyen, Shriram As far as I know and also the regulars who go to Tirupathi know there are well established procedures for having darshan of the Lord at all levels .You could have simply followed the procedure and booked your visit for the available day. You have simply fallen a prey to some tout probably in your anxiety to have a grand Darshan of the Lord of seven hills during an unplanned visit of yours. We cannot hold the system responsible for our behaviour. I am sorry if I have hurt your feelings but the fact is that TTD Devastanam has laid down the rules for accomodating all the devotees and we should NOT take recourse to shortcuts . May the LORD ALMIGHTY Shower HIS blessings on you and your near and dear ones. adiyen Anjore Kidambi Vijayaraghavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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