Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Dear Sir I would like to know what are the formalities we have to observe / follow after performing Bharanyasam. Dasan P.Aravamudhan P.Aravamudhan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Dear Aravamudhan, It is good that you ask this question: Adiyen is just polishing an article to be published in Sri Ranganatha Paduka on this & other subjects. The relevant portion is reproduced below: Our Revered Acharyas' - Prapatthi 1. There is a lot of misconception about Prapatthi; most sishyas think that they are not eligible as: they are too young, they should be more aged, be much more orthodox, they eat out either by choice or compulsion {due to profession, single life etc.,}, Having due regards to these points, let adiyen clarify: 2. Prapatthi is an act of submission of our soul performed by our Acharyan on our behalf to submit {Saranagathi or Surrender} back to Sriman Narayana to whom it always belonged. The body is temporary & is consigned to become ashes one day BUT the soul is not; it goes back to SriVaikuntam only on the request of the Acharyan to Sriman Narayana. This is the easiest way that your soul can be redeemed. This has nothing to do with the age or orthodoxy or eating in hotels etc., Yes, it is preferable to avoid eating in unhygienic conditions but if the profession warrants, this is not a bar on Prapatthi. 3. There are two most basic conditions though; firstly, you accept Sriman Narayana to be what he is, the Supreme & only God. Then, no Bhagavatha Apacharams under any circumstances please. Sriman Narayana will condone any Apacharam unto Himself {if He does not do so, then Mahalakshmi Thayar will make Him do so!!}. But the supreme God will not accept Bhagavatha Apacharams. 4. There is no age limit here; Acharyan has performed Prapatthi on new born children while a family friend missed out on Prapatthi and passed away at a ripe age of 78 {he simply kept postponing this}. 5. Please, never never postpone this, do this immediately. No one knows when he or she will exit this worldly existence. Caste or creed is no bar – all creations are SriVaishnavaites and all are eligible for Prapatthi! 1. A FAQ is – how much do we pay for Samasrayanam & Saranagathi! There is no fixed charge or fee for this. Sambavanai to the Acharyan as per your capacity {yatha shakthi!} only. All Sambavanai, regardless of the quantum, gets spent on running the 8 Veda Patasalas { with 280 Vidyarthis – 2007-08 expenses appr. Rs. 74.00 lakhs}, Annadanam, construction & renovation of Asramams & Temples – all for the benefit of the community. 2. For the Vedic scholar performing the Sankalpam, please pay as you would in any other religious function or ceremony – all according to the mind & purse!! There is no compulsion or specified amount here. _________________________ whatever you did before Saranagathi {same as Baranyasam}, please ensure that paras 3 are followed strictly after!! REgards. Daasan RR. _________________________ On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:03 PM, aravamudhan parthasarathy <aravamudhanparthasarathy wrote: Dear Sir I would like to know what are the formalities we have to observe / follow after performing Bharanyasam. Dasan P.Aravamudhan P.Aravamudhan -- Warmest Regards RR___________________________R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory 9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ___________________________Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 RR Swamin, I appreciate very apt reply and I hope the points will draw the attention of so many ignorant sishyas and some arrogants too.--- On Thu, 22/5/08, RR <shrirr wrote: RR <shrirrRe: Bharanyasamandavan Date: Thursday, 22 May, 2008, 3:31 PM Dear Aravamudhan, It is good that you ask this question: Adiyen is just polishing an article to be published in Sri Ranganatha Paduka on this & other subjects. The relevant portion is reproduced below: Our Revered Acharyas' - Prapatthi 1. There is a lot of misconception about Prapatthi; most sishyas think that they are not eligible as: they are too young, they should be more aged, be much more orthodox, they eat out either by choice or compulsion {due to profession, single life etc.,}, Having due regards to these points, let adiyen clarify: 2. Prapatthi is an act of submission of our soul performed by our Acharyan on our behalf to submit {Saranagathi or Surrender} back to Sriman Narayana to whom it always belonged. The body is temporary & is consigned to become ashes one day BUT the soul is not; it goes back to SriVaikuntam only on the request of the Acharyan to Sriman Narayana. This is the easiest way that your soul can be redeemed. This has nothing to do with the age or orthodoxy or eating in hotels etc., Yes, it is preferable to avoid eating in unhygienic conditions but if the profession warrants, this is not a bar on Prapatthi. 3. There are two most basic conditions though; firstly, you accept Sriman Narayana to be what he is, the Supreme & only God. Then, no Bhagavatha Apacharams under any circumstances please. Sriman Narayana will condone any Apacharam unto Himself {if He does not do so, then Mahalakshmi Thayar will make Him do so!!}. But the supreme God will not accept Bhagavatha Apacharams. 4. There is no age limit here; Acharyan has performed Prapatthi on new born children while a family friend missed out on Prapatthi and passed away at a ripe age of 78 {he simply kept postponing this}. 5. Please, never never postpone this, do this immediately. No one knows when he or she will exit this worldly existence. Caste or creed is no bar – all creations are SriVaishnavaites and all are eligible for Prapatthi! 1. A FAQ is – how much do we pay for Samasrayanam & Saranagathi! There is no fixed charge or fee for this. Sambavanai to the Acharyan as per your capacity {yatha shakthi!} only. All Sambavanai, regardless of the quantum, gets spent on running the 8 Veda Patasalas { with 280 Vidyarthis – 2007-08 expenses appr. Rs. 74.00 lakhs}, Annadanam, construction & renovation of Asramams & Temples – all for the benefit of the community. 2. For the Vedic scholar performing the Sankalpam, please pay as you would in any other religious function or ceremony – all according to the mind & purse!! There is no compulsion or specified amount here. ____________ _________ ____ whatever you did before Saranagathi {same as Baranyasam}, please ensure that paras 3 are followed strictly after!! REgards. Daasan RR. ____________ _________ ____ On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:03 PM, aravamudhan parthasarathy <aravamudhanparthasa rathy > wrote: Dear Sir I would like to know what are the formalities we have to observe / follow after performing Bharanyasam. Dasan P.Aravamudhan P.Aravamudhan -- Warmest RegardsRR____________ _________ ______R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ____________ _________ ______Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex. com Check out the all-new face of India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Dear All, Adiyen was preparing to write aseries of srticles in the Paduka to enlighten our Sevarthis about various aspects of daily life, Upanayanam, Marriages, Tharpanams & mainly Pancha Samskaram & Prapatthi. Sri Aravamudhan's query came right in the middle of a proof reading. Here are some more random thoughts: Our Revered Acharyas' 1. "Acharyavan Purusho Veda" – One who has an ideal Acharya will attain Brahma Gnanam [Quintessence of the Vedas], 2. "Sakshat Narayano Deva kruthva marthiyaa mayeem thanum magnaan Uddarathe lokaan karunyaath Sastra Paanina" Sriman Narayana, the Supreme God, takes incarnation as an Acharya in this age to uplift the sinking masses {by teaching them the quintessence of Vedas} with mercy & compassion, 3. Acharya – His Kartavyams is to cleanse the body & free our souls. The former is by Samasrayanam {or Pancha Samskaram}. The latter is by performing Prapatthi or Saranagathi; submits or surrender the Baran or the weight of your soul to the Lotus feet of the Supreme Lord of the Universe – return the soul to the original owner – reverentially called 1000's of names, MamAyan, MAdhavan, Vaikunthan enru enru, in general & as Sriman Narayana in particular. 4. In our Sapthathi 2005 Souvenir, Sri K Sadagopan Iyengar of Coimbatore has lovingly described our Acharya as the 'Avaricious Acharya' – one who is not satisfied with the many 10000's of souls uplifted till then and was greedy for more souls to perform more & more Prapathis & to keep the supply chain of the souls moving without break on to Sriman Narayana in SriVaikuntam!! 5. Srutis & Smritis state that even Sriman Narayana will not do this himself direct – he needs His Successor in the Acharya Parampara – mind you the Supreme Lord is the Pratamaacharyan {Krishnam Vande Jagath Gurum!} to do this massive assignment on His behalf. That is immeasurable weight that our revered Acharyas carry. 6. The Acharya is ever ready to perform these but the Sevarthis should understand the significance of these rituals & appeal to the Acharyan to do these for them. Anyone sishya should have the Samasrayanam done before he can do Perumal Aradhanam, Pithru Karmas like Tharpanams etc., 7. But the Sishya has to properly request HH that he/she would like to have Pancha samskaram and/or Saranagathi performed by HH. Adiyen would, after consulting our Veda Ganapatis, elaborate on the Pancha Samskarams & Saranagathi later. But the Sishya must understand the significance of these critical issues and act in time. Tomorrow may be too late!! _____________________ Ranga - Thanks for your comments; it is necessary to inform our sevarthis, then most excepting some die hard doubting thomases would go for these critical aspects of our sampradayam - RR. ______________________ On 5/22/08, GOVINDARAJAN RANGANATHAN <sri_ranga1960 wrote: RR Swamin, I appreciate very apt reply and I hope the points will draw the attention of so many ignorant sishyas and some arrogants too.--- On Thu, 22/5/08, RR <shrirr wrote: RR <shrirr Re: Bharanyasamandavan Date: Thursday, 22 May, 2008, 3:31 PM Dear Aravamudhan, It is good that you ask this question: Adiyen is just polishing an article to be published in Sri Ranganatha Paduka on this & other subjects. The relevant portion is reproduced below: Our Revered Acharyas' - Prapatthi 1. There is a lot of misconception about Prapatthi; most sishyas think that they are not eligible as: they are too young, they should be more aged, be much more orthodox, they eat out either by choice or compulsion {due to profession, single life etc.,}, Having due regards to these points, let adiyen clarify: 2. Prapatthi is an act of submission of our soul performed by our Acharyan on our behalf to submit {Saranagathi or Surrender} back to Sriman Narayana to whom it always belonged. The body is temporary & is consigned to become ashes one day BUT the soul is not; it goes back to SriVaikuntam only on the request of the Acharyan to Sriman Narayana. This is the easiest way that your soul can be redeemed. This has nothing to do with the age or orthodoxy or eating in hotels etc., Yes, it is preferable to avoid eating in unhygienic conditions but if the profession warrants, this is not a bar on Prapatthi. 3. There are two most basic conditions though; firstly, you accept Sriman Narayana to be what he is, the Supreme & only God. Then, no Bhagavatha Apacharams under any circumstances please. Sriman Narayana will condone any Apacharam unto Himself {if He does not do so, then Mahalakshmi Thayar will make Him do so!!}. But the supreme God will not accept Bhagavatha Apacharams. 4. There is no age limit here; Acharyan has performed Prapatthi on new born children while a family friend missed out on Prapatthi and passed away at a ripe age of 78 {he simply kept postponing this}. 5. Please, never never postpone this, do this immediately. No one knows when he or she will exit this worldly existence. Caste or creed is no bar – all creations are SriVaishnavaites and all are eligible for Prapatthi! 1. A FAQ is – how much do we pay for Samasrayanam & Saranagathi! There is no fixed charge or fee for this. Sambavanai to the Acharyan as per your capacity {yatha shakthi!} only. All Sambavanai, regardless of the quantum, gets spent on running the 8 Veda Patasalas { with 280 Vidyarthis – 2007-08 expenses appr. Rs. 74.00 lakhs}, Annadanam, construction & renovation of Asramams & Temples – all for the benefit of the community. 2. For the Vedic scholar performing the Sankalpam, please pay as you would in any other religious function or ceremony – all according to the mind & purse!! There is no compulsion or specified amount here. ____________ _________ ____ whatever you did before Saranagathi {same as Baranyasam}, please ensure that paras 3 are followed strictly after!! REgards. Daasan RR. ____________ _________ ____ On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:03 PM, aravamudhan parthasarathy <aravamudhanparthasa rathy > wrote: Dear Sir I would like to know what are the formalities we have to observe / follow after performing Bharanyasam. Dasan P.Aravamudhan P.Aravamudhan -- Warmest RegardsRR____________ _________ ______R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES, New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ____________ _________ ______ Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex. com Check out the all-new face of India. -- Warmest RegardsRR___________________________R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIA Ph: 9144 2483 8585 - Office 9144 2249 1971 - Factory 9144 2484 0468 - Fax 9193850 50002 - Mobile, 9194440 57848 - Mobile ___________________________Please visit us at: http://www.eyetex.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Swamin,Dasasya vignaapanam. As it is usual for you, you have made it very clear. One more point has also to be clarified. Adiyen come across many who hesitate for " Prapatti " . They say they must worship their kula theyvam and as most of kula theyvams are thevathantharams (Grama thevathais like karuppan, kaLi, ayyanar etc) they are afraid of as after prapatti they will be forced to neglect their kula theyvam which may bring some evil effects to their families. This may also be suitably answered . While publishing in " Paduka " please see Tamil version of your articles also follow. dasan,T.Raguveeradayal _____________ Adiyen,Dasan,Thiruppathi RaguveeradayalC/O SRIRANGAM SRIMAD ANDAVAN ASHRAMAM,THIRUPPULLANI 62353204567-254242//919443301091 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Sri Raghuveeradayal has brought on the table a very valid point. Adiyen will clear this with HH - but offering this extra curricular worship may not be a bar. One can always say Sriman Narayana when you are made to visit these temples due to any reason whatsoever. Daasan RR. ___________________________ On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:09 PM, T. Raguveeradayal <thiruthiruragu wrote: Swamin,Dasasya vignaapanam. As it is usual for you, you have made it very clear. One more point has also to be clarified. Adiyen come across many who hesitate for " Prapatti " . They say they must worship their kula theyvam and as most of kula theyvams are thevathantharams (Grama thevathais like karuppan, kaLi, ayyanar etc) they are afraid of as after prapatti they will be forced to neglect their kula theyvam which may bring some evil effects to their families. This may also be suitably answered . While publishing in " Paduka " please see Tamil version of your articles also follow. dasan,T.Raguveeradayal _____________Adiyen,Dasan, Thiruppathi RaguveeradayalC/O SRIRANGAM SRIMAD ANDAVAN ASHRAMAM,THIRUPPULLANI 62353204567-254242//919443301091 -- Warmest Regards RR___________________________R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory 9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ___________________________Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Dear Shri Padmanabhan, Thanks for these queries {though i am being pre empted on my planned series of articles}. Your query - Does this also mean that after Prapatthi, one is barred from entering shivite temples and amman temples? - Answer - Yes, that is the normal meaning, you cannot & should NOT go there by choice, Your query - Can we visit these temples and yet see them as Lord Narayana? Answer - No you cannot visit these temples out of choice or your own volition, Query - What if we have no choice? Answer - BUT if are forced to {you may not have a choice}, then see them as Sriman Narayana, Query - can we have some examples of this? Answer - Your boss may ask you to go to a Sivan Temple {mind you - he is not asking you but telling you}, Query - Locational problems? Answer - in USA there are only 1 or 2 exclusive Perumal Koils, all others are Combined Sannathis, U don't have a choice - U can go to such Temples, but offer ur prayers only to the Perumal/ Thayar/Andal/Garudan/ Anjaneyar/ other Sannathis of the Vibhava Avatharams, Query - what do i NOT do if i go to such temples? Answer - NOT offer prayers at any other sannathi {regardless of the banter that this may cause amongst 'friends' & 'relatives'}. Swapadesam - Sriman Narayana is all pervading & is the Supreme/ Only God; Shiva & Brahma are also worshipful Deities but they are what we call in this country {as subordinate judiciary!!} Inference - If this concept is understood, then an occasional visit to such temples due to reason beyond our control will not be held against us. Point to ponder - Sriman Narayana is the only entity that can take us to Moksha Samrajyam through proper channels {Achryan- Prapatthi}. Point to ponder - We become Prapannas and alll sins are washed off in this birth itself - Point to ponder - Our soul goes to SriVaikuntam through Viraja Nadhi & we all become a Nithya Soori Point to ponder - no question of going through hell onto Swargam {Swargam is NOT Moksham}. Point to ponder - So what are we going to do to repay the GOD that guarantees Moksham? Warmest regards. Daasan RR. _______________________ On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Padmanaban Aravamuthan <padmanaban_a wrote: Dear Shri,RR,it is really nice to get clarified on some commondoubts about Prabatthi.Thanks for the information. Yes, we all accept Sriman Narayan as the Supreme God.Not even an iota of doubt about this.Does this also mean that after Prapatthi, one isbarred from entering shivite temples and ammantemples?Can we visit these temples and yet see them as Lord Narayana? Can you kindly clrify this point also?best regards,A.Padmanaban-- Warmest RegardsRR___________________________R Rajagopal, Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile, 9194440 57848 - Mobile ___________________________Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 On 5/23/08, RR <shrirr wrote: Dear Shri Padmanabhan, Thanks for these queries {though i am being pre empted on my planned series of articles}. Your query - Does this also mean that after Prapatthi, one is barred from entering shivite temples and amman temples? - Answer - Yes, that is the normal meaning, you cannot & should NOT go there by choice, Your query - Can we visit these temples and yet see them as Lord Narayana? Answer - No you cannot visit these temples out of choice or your own volition, Query - What if we have no choice?Answer - BUT if are forced to {you may not have a choice}, then see them as Sriman Narayana, Query - can we have some examples of this?Answer - Your boss may ask you to go to a Sivan Temple {mind you - he is not asking you but telling you}, Query - Locational problems? Answer - in USA there are only 1 or 2 exclusive Perumal Koils, all others are Combined Sannathis, U don't have a choice - U can go to such Temples, but offer ur prayers only to the Perumal/ Thayar/Andal/Garudan/ Anjaneyar/ other Sannathis of the Vibhava Avatharams, Query - what do i NOT do if i go to such temples? Answer - NOT offer prayers at any other sannathi {regardless of the banter that this may cause amongst 'friends' & 'relatives'}. Swapadesam - Sriman Narayana is all pervading & is the Supreme/ Only God; Shiva & Brahma are also worshipful Deities but they are what we call in this country {as subordinate judiciary!!} Inference - If this concept is understood, then an occasional visit to such temples due to reason beyond our control will not be held against us. Point to ponder - Sriman Narayana is the only entity that can take us to Moksha Samrajyam through proper channels {Achryan- Prapatthi}. Point to ponder - We become Prapannas and alll sins are washed off in this birth itself - Point to ponder - Our soul goes to SriVaikuntam through Viraja Nadhi & we all become a Nithya Soori Point to ponder - no question of going through hell onto Swargam {Swargam is NOT Moksham}. Point to ponder - So what are we going to do to repay the GOD that guarantees Moksham? Warmest regards. Daasan RR._______________________ On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Padmanaban Aravamuthan <padmanaban_a wrote: Dear Shri,RR,it is really nice to get clarified on some commondoubts about Prabatthi.Thanks for the information. Yes, we all accept Sriman Narayan as the Supreme God.Not even an iota of doubt about this.Does this also mean that after Prapatthi, one isbarred from entering shivite temples and ammantemples?Can we visit these temples and yet see them as Lord Narayana? Can you kindly clrify this point also?best regards,A.Padmanaban-- Warmest RegardsRR___________________________ R Rajagopal, Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile, 9194440 57848 - Mobile ___________________________Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Thanks Shyam - stand corrected!! Regards - Daasan RR Shyam is 100% correct - Sevarthis to note please - Daasan RR On 5/23/08, Sreenivasan, Shyam (IT) <Shyam.Sreenivasan wrote: Dear Sri. RR Mama, Your answers are simply superb and very practical for current day life and will hopefully will guide those sevarthis who have been fearful of bharanyasam. Just one point of correction with the limited amount of knowledge adiyen has: - " Point to ponder - Our soul goes to SriVaikuntam through Viraja Nadhi & we all become a Nithya Soori " . I think it should be " mukthas " . Nithysuris are bhagavathas like Garudan, Adiseshan who never had a birth as Jeevathma whereas Mukthas are the liberated Jeevatmas who get the enjoy the nithyakainkaryam to Perumal. regards, shyam NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. Sender does not intend to waive confidentiality or privilege. Use of this email is prohibited when received in error. -- Warmest RegardsRR___________________________R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street, Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office 9144 2249 1971 - Factory 9144 2484 0468 - Fax 9193850 50002 - Mobile, 9194440 57848 - Mobile ___________________________ Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Is there any book in english that guides and explains the daily practices to be followed such as Sandya Vandanam, Pariseshanam etc.? Thanks. PriyaRR <shrirr wrote: Dear Shri Padmanabhan, Thanks for these queries {though i am being pre empted on my planned series of articles}. Your query - Does this also mean that after Prapatthi, one is barred from entering shivite temples and amman temples? - Answer - Yes, that is the normal meaning, you cannot & should NOT go there by choice, Your query - Can we visit these temples and yet see them as Lord Narayana? Answer - No you cannot visit these temples out of choice or your own volition, Query - What if we have no choice? Answer - BUT if are forced to {you may not have a choice}, then see them as Sriman Narayana, Query - can we have some examples of this? Answer - Your boss may ask you to go to a Sivan Temple {mind you - he is not asking you but telling you}, Query - Locational problems? Answer - in USA there are only 1 or 2 exclusive Perumal Koils, all others are Combined Sannathis, U don't have a choice - U can go to such Temples, but offer ur prayers only to the Perumal/ Thayar/Andal/Garudan/ Anjaneyar/ other Sannathis of the Vibhava Avatharams, Query - what do i NOT do if i go to such temples? Answer - NOT offer prayers at any other sannathi {regardless of the banter that this may cause amongst 'friends' & 'relatives'}. Swapadesam - Sriman Narayana is all pervading & is the Supreme/ Only God; Shiva & Brahma are also worshipful Deities but they are what we call in this country {as subordinate judiciary!!} Inference - If this concept is understood, then an occasional visit to such temples due to reason beyond our control will not be held against us. Point to ponder - Sriman Narayana is the only entity that can take us to Moksha Samrajyam through proper channels {Achryan- Prapatthi}. Point to ponder - We become Prapannas and alll sins are washed off in this birth itself - Point to ponder - Our soul goes to SriVaikuntam through Viraja Nadhi & we all become a Nithya Soori Point to ponder - no question of going through hell onto Swargam {Swargam is NOT Moksham}. Point to ponder - So what are we going to do to repay the GOD that guarantees Moksham? Warmest regards. Daasan RR. _______________________ On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Padmanaban Aravamuthan <padmanaban_a > wrote: Dear Shri,RR,it is really nice to get clarified on some commondoubts about Prabatthi.Thanks for the information.Yes, we all accept Sriman Narayan as the Supreme God.Not even an iota of doubt about this.Does this also mean that after Prapatthi, one isbarred from entering shivite temples and ammantemples?Can we visit these temples and yet see them as LordNarayana? Can you kindly clrify this point also?best regards,A.Padmanaban-- Warmest RegardsRR___________________________R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ___________________________Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Swamin Thank you. Dasan P.Aravamudhan RR <shrirr wrote: Dear Aravamudhan, It is good that you ask this question: Adiyen is just polishing an article to be published in Sri Ranganatha Paduka on this & other subjects. The relevant portion is reproduced below: Our Revered Acharyas' - Prapatthi 1. There is a lot of misconception about Prapatthi; most sishyas think that they are not eligible as: they are too young, they should be more aged, be much more orthodox, they eat out either by choice or compulsion {due to profession, single life etc.,}, Having due regards to these points, let adiyen clarify: 2. Prapatthi is an act of submission of our soul performed by our Acharyan on our behalf to submit {Saranagathi or Surrender} back to Sriman Narayana to whom it always belonged. The body is temporary & is consigned to become ashes one day BUT the soul is not; it goes back to SriVaikuntam only on the request of the Acharyan to Sriman Narayana. This is the easiest way that your soul can be redeemed. This has nothing to do with the age or orthodoxy or eating in hotels etc., Yes, it is preferable to avoid eating in unhygienic conditions but if the profession warrants, this is not a bar on Prapatthi. 3. There are two most basic conditions though; firstly, you accept Sriman Narayana to be what he is, the Supreme & only God. Then, no Bhagavatha Apacharams under any circumstances please. Sriman Narayana will condone any Apacharam unto Himself {if He does not do so, then Mahalakshmi Thayar will make Him do so!!}. But the supreme God will not accept Bhagavatha Apacharams. 4. There is no age limit here; Acharyan has performed Prapatthi on new born children while a family friend missed out on Prapatthi and passed away at a ripe age of 78 {he simply kept postponing this}. 5. Please, never never postpone this, do this immediately. No one knows when he or she will exit this worldly existence. Caste or creed is no bar – all creations are SriVaishnavaites and all are eligible for Prapatthi! 1. A FAQ is – how much do we pay for Samasrayanam & Saranagathi! There is no fixed charge or fee for this. Sambavanai to the Acharyan as per your capacity {yatha shakthi!} only. All Sambavanai, regardless of the quantum, gets spent on running the 8 Veda Patasalas { with 280 Vidyarthis – 2007-08 expenses appr. Rs. 74.00 lakhs}, Annadanam, construction & renovation of Asramams & Temples – all for the benefit of the community. 2. For the Vedic scholar performing the Sankalpam, please pay as you would in any other religious function or ceremony – all according to the mind & purse!! There is no compulsion or specified amount here. _________________________ whatever you did before Saranagathi {same as Baranyasam}, please ensure that paras 3 are followed strictly after!! REgards. Daasan RR. _________________________ On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:03 PM, aravamudhan parthasarathy <aravamudhanparthasarathy > wrote: Dear Sir I would like to know what are the formalities we have to observe / follow after performing Bharanyasam. Dasan P.Aravamudhan P.Aravamudhan -- Warmest RegardsRR___________________________R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ___________________________Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex.com P.Aravamudhan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Swamin So accordingly those who has the practice of doing putrukku Milk during the months of Aadi / Thai will not be done hearafter? Dasan P.Aravamudhan RR <shrirr wrote: Dear Shri Padmanabhan, Thanks for these queries {though i am being pre empted on my planned series of articles}. Your query - Does this also mean that after Prapatthi, one is barred from entering shivite temples and amman temples? - Answer - Yes, that is the normal meaning, you cannot & should NOT go there by choice, Your query - Can we visit these temples and yet see them as Lord Narayana? Answer - No you cannot visit these temples out of choice or your own volition, Query - What if we have no choice? Answer - BUT if are forced to {you may not have a choice}, then see them as Sriman Narayana, Query - can we have some examples of this? Answer - Your boss may ask you to go to a Sivan Temple {mind you - he is not asking you but telling you}, Query - Locational problems? Answer - in USA there are only 1 or 2 exclusive Perumal Koils, all others are Combined Sannathis, U don't have a choice - U can go to such Temples, but offer ur prayers only to the Perumal/ Thayar/Andal/Garudan/ Anjaneyar/ other Sannathis of the Vibhava Avatharams, Query - what do i NOT do if i go to such temples? Answer - NOT offer prayers at any other sannathi {regardless of the banter that this may cause amongst 'friends' & 'relatives'}. Swapadesam - Sriman Narayana is all pervading & is the Supreme/ Only God; Shiva & Brahma are also worshipful Deities but they are what we call in this country {as subordinate judiciary!!} Inference - If this concept is understood, then an occasional visit to such temples due to reason beyond our control will not be held against us. Point to ponder - Sriman Narayana is the only entity that can take us to Moksha Samrajyam through proper channels {Achryan- Prapatthi}. Point to ponder - We become Prapannas and alll sins are washed off in this birth itself - Point to ponder - Our soul goes to SriVaikuntam through Viraja Nadhi & we all become a Nithya Soori Point to ponder - no question of going through hell onto Swargam {Swargam is NOT Moksham}. Point to ponder - So what are we going to do to repay the GOD that guarantees Moksham? Warmest regards. Daasan RR. _______________________ On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Padmanaban Aravamuthan <padmanaban_a > wrote: Dear Shri,RR,it is really nice to get clarified on some commondoubts about Prabatthi.Thanks for the information.Yes, we all accept Sriman Narayan as the Supreme God.Not even an iota of doubt about this.Does this also mean that after Prapatthi, one isbarred from entering shivite temples and ammantemples?Can we visit these temples and yet see them as LordNarayana? Can you kindly clrify this point also?best regards,A.Padmanaban-- Warmest RegardsRR___________________________R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ___________________________Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex.com P.Aravamudhan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Let adiyen check with HH and come back!! On 5/26/08, aravamudhan parthasarathy <aravamudhanparthasarathy wrote: Swamin So accordingly those who has the practice of doing putrukku Milk during the months of Aadi / Thai will not be done hearafter? Dasan P.Aravamudhan RR <shrirr wrote: Dear Shri Padmanabhan, Thanks for these queries {though i am being pre empted on my planned series of articles}. Your query - Does this also mean that after Prapatthi, one is barred from entering shivite temples and amman temples? - Answer - Yes, that is the normal meaning, you cannot & should NOT go there by choice, Your query - Can we visit these temples and yet see them as Lord Narayana? Answer - No you cannot visit these temples out of choice or your own volition, Query - What if we have no choice? Answer - BUT if are forced to {you may not have a choice}, then see them as Sriman Narayana, Query - can we have some examples of this? Answer - Your boss may ask you to go to a Sivan Temple {mind you - he is not asking you but telling you}, Query - Locational problems? Answer - in USA there are only 1 or 2 exclusive Perumal Koils, all others are Combined Sannathis, U don't have a choice - U can go to such Temples, but offer ur prayers only to the Perumal/ Thayar/Andal/Garudan/ Anjaneyar/ other Sannathis of the Vibhava Avatharams, Query - what do i NOT do if i go to such temples? Answer - NOT offer prayers at any other sannathi {regardless of the banter that this may cause amongst 'friends' & 'relatives'}. Swapadesam - Sriman Narayana is all pervading & is the Supreme/ Only God; Shiva & Brahma are also worshipful Deities but they are what we call in this country {as subordinate judiciary!!} Inference - If this concept is understood, then an occasional visit to such temples due to reason beyond our control will not be held against us. Point to ponder - Sriman Narayana is the only entity that can take us to Moksha Samrajyam through proper channels {Achryan- Prapatthi}. Point to ponder - We become Prapannas and alll sins are washed off in this birth itself - Point to ponder - Our soul goes to SriVaikuntam through Viraja Nadhi & we all become a Nithya Soori Point to ponder - no question of going through hell onto Swargam {Swargam is NOT Moksham}. Point to ponder - So what are we going to do to repay the GOD that guarantees Moksham? Warmest regards. Daasan RR. _______________________ On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Padmanaban Aravamuthan <padmanaban_a wrote: Dear Shri,RR,it is really nice to get clarified on some commondoubts about Prabatthi.Thanks for the information.Yes, we all accept Sriman Narayan as the Supreme God. Not even an iota of doubt about this.Does this also mean that after Prapatthi, one isbarred from entering shivite temples and ammantemples?Can we visit these temples and yet see them as LordNarayana? Can you kindly clrify this point also? best regards,A.Padmanaban-- Warmest RegardsRR___________________________R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7, Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ___________________________ Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex.com P.Aravamudhan -- Warmest Regards RR___________________________R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office 9144 2249 1971 - Factory 9144 2484 0468 - Fax 9193850 50002 - Mobile, 9194440 57848 - Mobile ___________________________Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 Dear Swamin, What prayachitham one has to do for crossing the sea after having done prapathi. Somehow i was able to postpone my official trip outside the country, but might not be possible at all times. Dasan T R LAKSHMI NARAYANAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Dear Swamin, Adiyen's immediate reaction is - do we need to become that orthodox? The basic purpose of adiyen's postings was to disabuse some reservations in the minds of many sevarthis about getting Prapatthi performed. If at least a few more SriVaishnavaites are motivated to get Samasrayanam & Prapatthi, adiyen woud have felt utmost gratification. What about the SriVaishnavaite Scholars who live abroad permanently and send render huge, huge & significant Kainkaryam that has awakened a whole new generation to the tenets of SriVaishnavism? They may end up - ashes to ashes - in their countries of adoption. To take this query to its logical conclusion, a Brahmin should perform only Unccha Vrithi and not work for a living OR take medical treatment {Vaidhyo Sri Narayana Hari:}, take Vanaprasthasramam & live in forests to meet the day of reckoning etc.,! Adiyen is not competent to sit in judgement and give answers to such profound issues that agitate the minds of many more sevarthis - not just yourself. In your shoes, adiyen will leave it to Sri Mahalakshmi Thayar & Sriman Narayana and not even think of any Prayachitham. There is what called as Yuga Dharmam - in Kali everything is turned upside down - one would be advised to follow the basic minimum rituals and also maintain the karmas needed in this age to run a family, raise children and retire in due course with dignity, satisfaction that one has performed the Grihasthasrama Dharma to one's capacity, be truthful and follow the Acharyas' Amudha Mozhigal. Regards. Daasan RR _________________ RS - Can U please post this in Sri Ranga Sri & Prapatti.com - Regards - RR. _________________ On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:28 PM, narayan <narayan wrote: Dear Swamin, What prayachitham one has to do for crossing the sea after having done prapathi. Somehow i was able to postpone my official trip outside the country, but might not be possible at all times. Dasan T R LAKSHMI NARAYANAN -- Warmest Regards RR___________________________R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory 9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ___________________________Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Hmmm. If we continuously apply the mathematical law of induction I wonder what the end conclusion would be. --- RR <shrirr wrote: > Dear Swamin, > > Adiyen's immediate reaction is - do we need to > become that orthodox? > > The basic purpose of adiyen's postings was to > disabuse some reservations in > the minds of many sevarthis about getting Prapatthi > performed. If at least a > few more SriVaishnavaites are motivated to get > Samasrayanam & Prapatthi, > adiyen woud have felt utmost gratification. > > What about the SriVaishnavaite Scholars who live > abroad permanently and send > render huge, huge & significant Kainkaryam that has > awakened a whole new > generation to the tenets of SriVaishnavism? They may > end up - ashes to ashes > - in their countries of adoption. > > To take this query to its logical conclusion, a > Brahmin should perform only > Unccha Vrithi and not work for a living OR take > medical treatment {Vaidhyo > Sri Narayana Hari:}, take Vanaprasthasramam & live > in forests to meet the > day of reckoning etc.,! > > Adiyen is not competent to sit in judgement and give > answers to such > profound issues that agitate the minds of many more > sevarthis - not just > yourself. In your shoes, adiyen will leave it to Sri > Mahalakshmi Thayar & > Sriman Narayana and not even think of any > Prayachitham. > > There is what called as Yuga Dharmam - in Kali > everything is turned upside > down - one would be advised to follow the basic > minimum rituals and also > maintain the karmas needed in this age to run a > family, raise children and > retire in due course with dignity, satisfaction that > one has performed the > Grihasthasrama Dharma to one's capacity, be truthful > and follow the > Acharyas' Amudha Mozhigal. > > Regards. > > Daasan RR > _________________ > > RS - Can U please post this in Sri Ranga Sri & > Prapatti.com - Regards - RR. > _________________ > > On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:28 PM, narayan > <narayan > wrote: > > > Dear Swamin, > > > > What prayachitham one has to do for crossing the > sea after having > > done prapathi. > > Somehow i was able to postpone my official trip > outside the country, > > but might not be possible at all times. > > > > Dasan > > T R LAKSHMI NARAYANAN > > > > > > > > > > -- > Warmest Regards > > RR > ___________________________ > > R Rajagopal, > Partner, > ARAVIND LABORATORIES, > New No 11, Old No 7, > Chakrapani Street, > Chennai 600 033. > INDIA > Ph: 9144 2483 8585 - Office > 9144 2249 1971 - Factory > 9144 2484 0468 - Fax > 9193850 50002 - Mobile, > 9194440 57848 - Mobile > ___________________________ > > Please visit us at: > > http://www.eyetex.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Dear swamin, You have rightly said the present position and let us follow the teachings of our Guru Adiyen R. Srinivasan--- On Wed, 28/5/08, RR <shrirr wrote: RR <shrirrRe: Bharanyasamandavan Date: Wednesday, 28 May, 2008, 9:36 AM Dear Swamin, Adiyen's immediate reaction is - do we need to become that orthodox? The basic purpose of adiyen's postings was to disabuse some reservations in the minds of many sevarthis about getting Prapatthi performed. If at least a few more SriVaishnavaites are motivated to get Samasrayanam & Prapatthi, adiyen woud have felt utmost gratification. What about the SriVaishnavaite Scholars who live abroad permanently and send render huge, huge & significant Kainkaryam that has awakened a whole new generation to the tenets of SriVaishnavism? They may end up - ashes to ashes - in their countries of adoption. To take this query to its logical conclusion, a Brahmin should perform only Unccha Vrithi and not work for a living OR take medical treatment {Vaidhyo Sri Narayana Hari:}, take Vanaprasthasramam & live in forests to meet the day of reckoning etc.,! Adiyen is not competent to sit in judgement and give answers to such profound issues that agitate the minds of many more sevarthis - not just yourself. In your shoes, adiyen will leave it to Sri Mahalakshmi Thayar & Sriman Narayana and not even think of any Prayachitham. There is what called as Yuga Dharmam - in Kali everything is turned upside down - one would be advised to follow the basic minimum rituals and also maintain the karmas needed in this age to run a family, raise children and retire in due course with dignity, satisfaction that one has performed the Grihasthasrama Dharma to one's capacity, be truthful and follow the Acharyas' Amudha Mozhigal. Regards. Daasan RR ____________ _____ RS - Can U please post this in Sri Ranga Sri & Prapatti.com - Regards - RR. ____________ _____ On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:28 PM, narayan <narayan@tka- jbm.thyssenkrupp .com> wrote: Dear Swamin, What prayachitham one has to do for crossing the sea after having done prapathi. Somehow i was able to postpone my official trip outside the country, but might not be possible at all times. Dasan T R LAKSHMI NARAYANAN -- Warmest RegardsRR____________ _________ ______R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ____________ _________ ______Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex. com Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Dear Swamin, Adiyen has said a lot of " practical " things {though largely irrelevant}, Adiyen accepts with all humility that the correct position as per Saastras is to perform " Prayaschitha Prapatthi " after such overseas visits - crossing the seas - The catch here is that " Prayaschitha Prapatthi " is performed only once in one's lifetime. Once having performed the " Prayaschitha Prapatthi " , one is forbidden to go abroad by crossing the seas!! One looks always for an angle, So the only way out - in this age & times - make as many visits as are necessary in the conduct of your profession, When the stage comes to call it a day, perform " Prayaschitha Prapatthi " !! As in the case Arjuna, we always think that we have thought of everything - BUT the million $ question is - what happens if you reach Acharyan Thiruvadi without perfroming " Prayaschitha Prapatthi " ? Only Sriman Narayana & our Acharyas can solve this mystery. Warmest regards. Daasan RR. _____________________ On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:36 AM, RR <shrirr wrote: Dear Swamin, Adiyen's immediate reaction is - do we need to become that orthodox? The basic purpose of adiyen's postings was to disabuse some reservations in the minds of many sevarthis about getting Prapatthi performed. If at least a few more SriVaishnavaites are motivated to get Samasrayanam & Prapatthi, adiyen woud have felt utmost gratification. What about the SriVaishnavaite Scholars who live abroad permanently and send render huge, huge & significant Kainkaryam that has awakened a whole new generation to the tenets of SriVaishnavism? They may end up - ashes to ashes - in their countries of adoption. To take this query to its logical conclusion, a Brahmin should perform only Unccha Vrithi and not work for a living OR take medical treatment {Vaidhyo Sri Narayana Hari:}, take Vanaprasthasramam & live in forests to meet the day of reckoning etc.,! Adiyen is not competent to sit in judgement and give answers to such profound issues that agitate the minds of many more sevarthis - not just yourself. In your shoes, adiyen will leave it to Sri Mahalakshmi Thayar & Sriman Narayana and not even think of any Prayachitham. There is what called as Yuga Dharmam - in Kali everything is turned upside down - one would be advised to follow the basic minimum rituals and also maintain the karmas needed in this age to run a family, raise children and retire in due course with dignity, satisfaction that one has performed the Grihasthasrama Dharma to one's capacity, be truthful and follow the Acharyas' Amudha Mozhigal. Regards. Daasan RR _________________ RS - Can U please post this in Sri Ranga Sri & Prapatti.com - Regards - RR. _________________ On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:28 PM, narayan <narayan wrote: Dear Swamin, What prayachitham one has to do for crossing the sea after having done prapathi. Somehow i was able to postpone my official trip outside the country, but might not be possible at all times. Dasan T R LAKSHMI NARAYANAN -- Warmest Regards RR___________________________R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory 9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ___________________________Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex.com -- Warmest RegardsRR___________________________R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIA Ph: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ___________________________Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Dear RR-mama: Adiyen's understanding is that Bharanyasam assures Moksham (unless of course the 2 apacharams you'd mentioned earlier are committed). So every other "displeasure" that we cause to Sriman Narayana (by violating the shaastras) would at best lead to accumulation of more karma which of course we'd burn in this janma because we're prapannas and there is no carry-over. Prayaschitha Prapatti is done once again-- for the final time-- to relieve oneslef of all the guilt and the bhaaram out of it and there is nothing more to it. So if a prapanna who has traveled abroad dies, his remaining karmic-balance is distributed among his "haters" or "apacharis". But since he's had Bharanyasam he's surely on his way to join the Master, no matter what. I am reluctant to quote or drag adiyen's acharyan into this but this is my understanding. --dasan RR <shrirrandavan Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:35:28 PMRe: Bharanyasam Dear Swamin, Adiyen has said a lot of "practical" things {though largely irrelevant}, Adiyen accepts with all humility that the correct position as per Saastras is to perform "Prayaschitha Prapatthi" after such overseas visits - crossing the seas - The catch here is that "Prayaschitha Prapatthi" is performed only once in one's lifetime. Once having performed the "Prayaschitha Prapatthi", one is forbidden to go abroad by crossing the seas!! One looks always for an angle, So the only way out - in this age & times - make as many visits as are necessary in the conduct of your profession, When the stage comes to call it a day, perform "Prayaschitha Prapatthi"!! As in the case Arjuna, we always think that we have thought of everything - BUT the million $ question is - what happens if you reach Acharyan Thiruvadi without perfroming "Prayaschitha Prapatthi"? Only Sriman Narayana & our Acharyas can solve this mystery. Warmest regards. Daasan RR. ____________ _________ On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:36 AM, RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Swamin, Adiyen's immediate reaction is - do we need to become that orthodox? The basic purpose of adiyen's postings was to disabuse some reservations in the minds of many sevarthis about getting Prapatthi performed. If at least a few more SriVaishnavaites are motivated to get Samasrayanam & Prapatthi, adiyen woud have felt utmost gratification. What about the SriVaishnavaite Scholars who live abroad permanently and send render huge, huge & significant Kainkaryam that has awakened a whole new generation to the tenets of SriVaishnavism? They may end up - ashes to ashes - in their countries of adoption. To take this query to its logical conclusion, a Brahmin should perform only Unccha Vrithi and not work for a living OR take medical treatment {Vaidhyo Sri Narayana Hari:}, take Vanaprasthasramam & live in forests to meet the day of reckoning etc.,! Adiyen is not competent to sit in judgement and give answers to such profound issues that agitate the minds of many more sevarthis - not just yourself. In your shoes, adiyen will leave it to Sri Mahalakshmi Thayar & Sriman Narayana and not even think of any Prayachitham. There is what called as Yuga Dharmam - in Kali everything is turned upside down - one would be advised to follow the basic minimum rituals and also maintain the karmas needed in this age to run a family, raise children and retire in due course with dignity, satisfaction that one has performed the Grihasthasrama Dharma to one's capacity, be truthful and follow the Acharyas' Amudha Mozhigal. Regards. Daasan RR ____________ _____ RS - Can U please post this in Sri Ranga Sri & Prapatti.com - Regards - RR. ____________ _____ On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:28 PM, narayan <narayan@tka- jbm.thyssenkrupp .com> wrote: Dear Swamin, What prayachitham one has to do for crossing the sea after having done prapathi. Somehow i was able to postpone my official trip outside the country, but might not be possible at all times. Dasan T R LAKSHMI NARAYANAN -- Warmest RegardsRR____________ _________ ______R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ____________ _________ ______Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex. com -- Warmest RegardsRR____________ _________ ______R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ____________ _________ ______Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Dear sir If we have our faith on our Acharyan it is enough to get everything in our life.he gives me everything whenever i ask him.i dont request him because i dont know how to request.but i ask him.he dont mind.he dont get angry.he dont get annoyed.with smile he bless me. i want money, he gives. i want him to remove my fear, he removes.i want him to remove misunderstandings created due to my fault- he removes. what ever i want i ask him and he does it.he dont question me.who else can do this? perumal-thayar-? except our acharyan nobody else.he takes care of me like a small child.due to this i dont know how to ask him for moksham.but i know even without asking he will give me .because he know better than me. hence why arguments? let us surrender to him. he will take care. with the blessings of our acharyan r.narayananRR <shrirr wrote: Dear Swamin, Adiyen has said a lot of "practical" things {though largely irrelevant}, Adiyen accepts with all humility that the correct position as per Saastras is to perform "Prayaschitha Prapatthi" after such overseas visits - crossing the seas - The catch here is that "Prayaschitha Prapatthi" is performed only once in one's lifetime. Once having performed the "Prayaschitha Prapatthi", one is forbidden to go abroad by crossing the seas!! One looks always for an angle, So the only way out - in this age & times - make as many visits as are necessary in the conduct of your profession, When the stage comes to call it a day, perform "Prayaschitha Prapatthi"!! As in the case Arjuna, we always think that we have thought of everything - BUT the million $ question is - what happens if you reach Acharyan Thiruvadi without perfroming "Prayaschitha Prapatthi"? Only Sriman Narayana & our Acharyas can solve this mystery. Warmest regards. Daasan RR. _____________________ On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:36 AM, RR <shrirr > wrote: Dear Swamin, Adiyen's immediate reaction is - do we need to become that orthodox? The basic purpose of adiyen's postings was to disabuse some reservations in the minds of many sevarthis about getting Prapatthi performed. If at least a few more SriVaishnavaites are motivated to get Samasrayanam & Prapatthi, adiyen woud have felt utmost gratification. What about the SriVaishnavaite Scholars who live abroad permanently and send render huge, huge & significant Kainkaryam that has awakened a whole new generation to the tenets of SriVaishnavism? They may end up - ashes to ashes - in their countries of adoption. To take this query to its logical conclusion, a Brahmin should perform only Unccha Vrithi and not work for a living OR take medical treatment {Vaidhyo Sri Narayana Hari:}, take Vanaprasthasramam & live in forests to meet the day of reckoning etc.,! Adiyen is not competent to sit in judgement and give answers to such profound issues that agitate the minds of many more sevarthis - not just yourself. In your shoes, adiyen will leave it to Sri Mahalakshmi Thayar & Sriman Narayana and not even think of any Prayachitham. There is what called as Yuga Dharmam - in Kali everything is turned upside down - one would be advised to follow the basic minimum rituals and also maintain the karmas needed in this age to run a family, raise children and retire in due course with dignity, satisfaction that one has performed the Grihasthasrama Dharma to one's capacity, be truthful and follow the Acharyas' Amudha Mozhigal. Regards. Daasan RR _________________ RS - Can U please post this in Sri Ranga Sri & Prapatti.com - Regards - RR. _________________ On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:28 PM, narayan <narayan (AT) tka-jbm (DOT) thyssenkrupp.com> wrote: Dear Swamin, What prayachitham one has to do for crossing the sea after having done prapathi. Somehow i was able to postpone my official trip outside the country, but might not be possible at all times. Dasan T R LAKSHMI NARAYANAN -- Warmest RegardsRR___________________________R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ___________________________Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex.com -- Warmest RegardsRR___________________________R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ___________________________Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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