Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Daasan, Can anyone in the group explain in simple terms the differences between Madam and Munithriam Sampradayams? Thanks in advance. Daasan, Siruvan S.Sridharan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Dear Sir, This is the knowledge I have on madam and munitrya sampradayams in vadagallai iyengars. The learned scholars and followers might add deeper difference and information to this question. Number 3 has great significance: The three Vedas: Rig, Yajus and Saama veda (principle ones) – “trayo vedaa eta eva vaak rigvedo mano yajurveda: Praana: Saama veda;â€. The three lettered Secret: OM – which comprises of A, U and Ma kara. Rahasyatrayam: Ashtaksharam, Dvayam and the Charamaslokam. 3 words in Ashtakshara mantram: Om Namo Narayanaya. There are 3 parts in Gita. Three karma palam, trigunams (Satwik, rajasik, tamasic). Three doors to hell (kaamam, krodham, lobham). Three yagyas, three tapas (penance through body, oral, and mental), three types of karma (Yajanam, Adhyayanam, Daanam), three types of renunciation, three works or action (Karanam, Karma, Karta), three achetanas, three doers in Modes, intellects, happiness, debts are all of three types. Sriman Narayana takes three forms as trimurthi. As Trivikrama, lord covered entire lokams in three steps. There are three Tatvams (Chit, Achit and Isvara). The list goes on. Similarly, in MuniTraya sampradayam, we find three munis blessing us with knowledge. Vishistadvaitam involves mastering of ubhava vedantam works in both Sanskrit and Tamil which involves veda, vedanta, puranas, itihasas, works of acharyas, divya prabhandam by alwars and so on. Shruthi and Smruthi are very important in Visistadvaitam. Ramanujar started his Sri Bhasyam work also based on works of great munis mentioned below: The entire tarkam of the Veda (with vEdAntam) is explained in mImAmsA Sastra. Sage Jaimini, Sage kASakrutsna, Saga Vyasa or Badarayana are considered to be three muni’s in MuniThraya (three munis) who gave us tarkams to these. When it comes to Brahma Sutra, we are again blessed by three munis: Veda vyAsa bhagavAn who composed the brahma sUtras. BodhAyaNa rishi who composed the vrutti grantam. Brahmanandhi composed the vAkya-granta on the same. Every Srivaishanava should get kalakshepam on · Sri bhashyam · Gita bhashyam · Bhagavath vishyam · Srimath rahasya traya saram Munitraya sampradaya was further spread by three more munis: Srimad Srinivasa Maha desikan, Srimath Sri Ranganatha Maha desikan and Srimath Vedanta Ramanuja maha desikan. Every Srivaishnava should undergo Samasrayanam which is same as "Pancha Samskaram", which is done from his Acharyan (guru). Swayam Acharya sampradayam: In olden days, all the Vaishvaites were very orthodox, performing daily Agni Hothram in their houses. Therefore the father of the family himself was the Acharyan for the members of that family. He was initiating the members into Sri Vaishnava sampradayam by Samasrayanam process. Madams and Munitrayam sampradayam: Now a days, most of the family heads do not perform agni hotrams and follow the sampradayam very strictly. So for the purpose of Samasrayanam, we approach Madams. The matadhipathi/Swami/Acharya initiates us into sampradayam. There are many Acharya paramparas. For ex: Srirangam Srimadh Andavan Ashramam has been nurturing and furthering Acharya Ramanuja's and Swami Vedanta Desika's doctrine of Vishishtadvaita. (Munitrayam is a sect among Vadagalai Iyengars and all but people that belong to Parakaala Matam and Srimadh Andavan Ashramam are part of this sect.). The main diety of worship is Lord Ranganatha Padukas. The primordial diety of this asramam is Lord Venugopala Swamy (Lord Krishna). In Srimad Poundarikapuram Andavan Ashramam main diety of worship is Lord Lakshmi Hayagreeva. In Parakala matam main diety of worship is Lord. LakshimiHayagreeva. In Ahobila mutt, main diety of worship is Lord. LakshmiNarasimha. The Ahobilam mutt follow Madam sampradayam. Which sampradayam to follow comes from which acharya we choose. The details of munitraya sampradayam can be found in http://www.munitrayam.org/andavanashram/Sri%20Munitrayam-Sabdartham.htm Om Namo Bhagavathe Vasudevaya || Jai Shree Krishna. Jayashree c_vasi <c_vasiandavan Sent: Friday, 17 July, 2009 2:36:07 AM Differences between Madam and Munithriam Daasan, Can anyone in the group explain in simple terms the differences between Madam and Munithriam Sampradayams? Thanks in advance. Daasan, Siruvan S.Sridharan Looking for local information? Find it on Local Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Daasan, Thank you very much for your clear explanations. Ram Ram, Siruvan S Sridharan--- On Mon, 7/20/09, Jayashree <jayashree_n_b wrote: Jayashree <jayashree_n_bRe: Differences between Madam and Munithriamandavan Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 3:39 PM Dear Sir, This is the knowledge I have on madam and munitrya sampradayams in vadagallai iyengars. The learned scholars and followers might add deeper difference and information to this question. Number 3 has great significance: The three Vedas: Rig, Yajus and Saama veda (principle ones) – “trayo vedaa eta eva vaak rigvedo mano yajurveda: Praana: Saama veda;â€. The three lettered Secret: OM – which comprises of A, U and Ma kara. Rahasyatrayam: Ashtaksharam, Dvayam and the Charamaslokam. 3 words in Ashtakshara mantram: Om Namo Narayanaya. There are 3 parts in Gita. Three karma palam, trigunams (Satwik, rajasik, tamasic). Three doors to hell (kaamam, krodham, lobham). Three yagyas, three tapas (penance through body, oral, and mental), three types of karma (Yajanam, Adhyayanam, Daanam), three types of renunciation, three works or action (Karanam, Karma, Karta), three achetanas, three doers in Modes, intellects, happiness, debts are all of three types. Sriman Narayana takes three forms as trimurthi. As Trivikrama, lord covered entire lokams in three steps. There are three Tatvams (Chit, Achit and Isvara). The list goes on. Similarly, in MuniTraya sampradayam, we find three munis blessing us with knowledge. Vishistadvaitam involves mastering of ubhava vedantam works in both Sanskrit and Tamil which involves veda, vedanta, puranas, itihasas, works of acharyas, divya prabhandam by alwars and so on. Shruthi and Smruthi are very important in Visistadvaitam. Ramanujar started his Sri Bhasyam work also based on works of great munis mentioned below: The entire tarkam of the Veda (with vEdAntam) is explained in mImAmsA Sastra. Sage Jaimini, Sage kASakrutsna, Saga Vyasa or Badarayana are considered to be three muni’s in MuniThraya (three munis) who gave us tarkams to these. When it comes to Brahma Sutra, we are again blessed by three munis: Veda vyAsa bhagavAn who composed the brahma sUtras. BodhAyaNa rishi who composed the vrutti grantam. Brahmanandhi composed the vAkya-granta on the same. Every Srivaishanava should get kalakshepam on · Sri bhashyam · Gita bhashyam · Bhagavath vishyam · Srimath rahasya traya saram Munitraya sampradaya was further spread by three more munis: Srimad Srinivasa Maha desikan, Srimath Sri Ranganatha Maha desikan and Srimath Vedanta Ramanuja maha desikan. Every Srivaishnava should undergo Samasrayanam which is same as "Pancha Samskaram", which is done from his Acharyan (guru). Swayam Acharya sampradayam: In olden days, all the Vaishvaites were very orthodox, performing daily Agni Hothram in their houses. Therefore the father of the family himself was the Acharyan for the members of that family. He was initiating the members into Sri Vaishnava sampradayam by Samasrayanam process. Madams and Munitrayam sampradayam: Now a days, most of the family heads do not perform agni hotrams and follow the sampradayam very strictly. So for the purpose of Samasrayanam, we approach Madams. The matadhipathi/ Swami/Acharya initiates us into sampradayam. There are many Acharya paramparas. For ex: Srirangam Srimadh Andavan Ashramam has been nurturing and furthering Acharya Ramanuja's and Swami Vedanta Desika's doctrine of Vishishtadvaita. (Munitrayam is a sect among Vadagalai Iyengars and all but people that belong to Parakaala Matam and Srimadh Andavan Ashramam are part of this sect.). The main diety of worship is Lord Ranganatha Padukas. The primordial diety of this asramam is Lord Venugopala Swamy (Lord Krishna). In Srimad Poundarikapuram Andavan Ashramam main diety of worship is Lord Lakshmi Hayagreeva. In Parakala matam main diety of worship is Lord. LakshimiHayagreeva. In Ahobila mutt, main diety of worship is Lord. LakshmiNarasimha. The Ahobilam mutt follow Madam sampradayam. Which sampradayam to follow comes from which acharya we choose. The details of munitraya sampradayam can be found in http://www.munitray am.org/andavanas hram/Sri% 20Munitrayam- Sabdartham. htm Om Namo Bhagavathe Vasudevaya || Jai Shree Krishna. Jayashree c_vasi <c_vasi >andavan@ .comFriday, 17 July, 2009 2:36:07 AM Differences between Madam and Munithriam Daasan, Can anyone in the group explain in simple terms the differences between Madam and Munithriam Sampradayams? Thanks in advance. Daasan, Siruvan S.Sridharan Looking for local information? Find it on Local Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Respected Sir, I have exchanged the differences between Madam and Munithriam with some of my known vaishnavites relatives and friends for information purpose. I have now received a small note from my niece who is now in London. I reproduce the same. I request you to throw more light on the subject and clarify some of the doubts. Regards, P. Srinivasan, Hosur. quote: Sub: Differences between Madam and Munithriam From Hi, This is a nice article. But there are some discrepancies. Munithrayam (3 Munis) started only from Swami Gopalarya Mahadesikan (Thirukudandai Desikan) who was re-incarnation of Swami Vedanta Desikan. His acharya was Sakshath Swami who is avataram of Swami Ramanuja himself. It is said that Swami Desikan carried a grievance that he was not born during Swami Ramanuja's time and to address this grievance both took avatars as Guru Sishya. There were 3 erudite scholars (mentioned in the below mail ) who were Vazhuthur Andavan (Ramanuja Muni) - 1st Andavan and 2 others who were carrying amsas of Natha Muni & Yamuna Muni (Swami Alavandar). Srimad Andavan Sampradayam spread from Vazhuthur Andavan, Thiruthuraipoondi Andavan,Periyandavan,Chinnandavan.... current Srimushnam Andavan. Part of Chinnandavan Sishyas started Pondarikapuram Ashramam. The last 2 said acharyas had their followers (eg. Garudapuram Swami, Thiruputkuzhi Swami, Kethandipatti Swami, Denkanikotta Swami, Navalpakkam, Uttamur Svayamacharyas etc). Parakala Mutt does not come under Munitraya Siddhantha. The categorization of the rishis & contributors to Visishtadvaita was nice but there is no Munitraya pre-Thirukudandai desikan period. Dasan Babu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Dear Sir, As I had pointed out in my mail the information about munitrayam was taken from:. http://www.munitrayam.org/andavanashram/Sri%20Munitrayam-Sabdartham.htm which is official site of Poundareeka matam ashramam. So I guess it should be correct. Om Namo Bhagavathe Vasudevaya || Jai Shree Krishna. Jayashree--- On Mon, 3/8/09, Srinivasan Parthasarathy <srinivasanvanaja wrote: Srinivasan Parthasarathy <srinivasanvanajaRe: Differences between Madam and Munithriamandavan Date: Monday, 3 August, 2009, 4:26 PM Respected Sir, I have exchanged the differences between Madam and Munithriam with some of my known vaishnavites relatives and friends for information purpose. I have now received a small note from my niece who is now in London. I reproduce the same. I request you to throw more light on the subject and clarify some of the doubts. Regards, P. Srinivasan, Hosur. quote: Sub: Differences between Madam and Munithriam From Hi, This is a nice article. But there are some discrepancies. Munithrayam (3 Munis) started only from Swami Gopalarya Mahadesikan (Thirukudandai Desikan) who was re-incarnation of Swami Vedanta Desikan. His acharya was Sakshath Swami who is avataram of Swami Ramanuja himself. It is said that Swami Desikan carried a grievance that he was not born during Swami Ramanuja's time and to address this grievance both took avatars as Guru Sishya. There were 3 erudite scholars (mentioned in the below mail ) who were Vazhuthur Andavan (Ramanuja Muni) - 1st Andavan and 2 others who were carrying amsas of Natha Muni & Yamuna Muni (Swami Alavandar). Srimad Andavan Sampradayam spread from Vazhuthur Andavan, Thiruthuraipoondi Andavan,Periyandava n,Chinnandavan. ... current Srimushnam Andavan. Part of Chinnandavan Sishyas started Pondarikapuram Ashramam. The last 2 said acharyas had their followers (eg. Garudapuram Swami, Thiruputkuzhi Swami, Kethandipatti Swami, Denkanikotta Swami, Navalpakkam, Uttamur Svayamacharyas etc). Parakala Mutt does not come under Munitraya Siddhantha. The categorization of the rishis & contributors to Visishtadvaita was nice but there is no Munitraya pre-Thirukudandai desikan period. Dasan Babu Looking for local information? Find it on Local Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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