Guest guest Posted July 23, 1999 Report Share Posted July 23, 1999 KrishNabhaktas, I heard a comment recently that VMS list is being mainly used for activity coordination purposes and not much spiritual discussions place. I think this is a valid comment even though activity coordination is serving a very useful purpose. Towards this end, on this Ekadashi day (I am trying to follow the Ekadashi calendar determined and posted by Sri Srinivasan sometime ago), I want to post something I learned recently about the daily japa that should be done by VaishNavas. There are lot of members who know about the spiritual matters more than I do. I request everybody to make at least one spiritual posting in a year. In this respect, I like the slogan of Dejanews, " Share what you know, learn what you don't " . Recently, I learnt that japa of NArayaNa ashtakshara mantra is very essential for the Vaishnavas. I am sure this is old news for many of the readers, but it was news for me. Until that time, I was doing just daily Gayathri japa. I was told that just as Gayathri manthra is essential for being a Brahmin (Brahmanya siddhatva), NArayaNa ashtakshara mantra is essential for being a VaishNava. The gentleman was also kind enough to give me upadesha of NArayaNa ashtakshara mantra. I have found the japa of this mantra is very useful for daily sadhana. I wanted to share this information on this Ekadashi day and urge others to take upadesha from a qualified person and do this japa if they are not already doing this. I would add that when doing the japa, it is better to follow the whole sequence of pranayama, bhutochchatana and dhyana before starting the japa. Posting by sri Bannur on the Dvaita list indicates the krishnattothara mantra, and vasudeva dvadhashakshara mantra and shiva shadakshara are also very useful for sadhana. Regards, Vasu -- ================================= Vasu Murthy Bell Atlantic Global Networks web page: members.xoom.com/vmurthy vmurthy W:703-247-7314 Fax:703-247-7359 ================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 1999 Report Share Posted July 23, 1999 Namaskara, Thanks for sharing this info Vasu. I have been doing this japa ever since my guru told me about its significance. I did not have a formal upadesa with dhyana shloka etc., but this manthra was instructed to me by my guru while teaching 'Devara Puje'. So, I guess I can continue the practice of the japa as I do it now until I can get a formal upadesha. Please clarify. Also, the no. of times one can chant Gayatri mantra, as I have known is either 10 or 108 etc. I have read in some places that you can do in multiples of 10. Is it true? I now only do it 10 times because 108 times takes a long time with the NArayaNa ashtakshara (324 times) and I don't have that much time in the mornings. As a result, I only do that occassionally on weekends. If I want to increase the count, can I do it say, 30 times? regards, raghav --- Vasu Murthy <vmurthy wrote: > Vasu Murthy <vmurthy > > KrishNabhaktas, > I heard a comment recently that VMS list is > being mainly used for > activity coordination purposes and not much > spiritual discussions > place. I think this is a valid comment even though > activity coordination > is serving a very useful purpose. Towards this end, > on this Ekadashi > day (I am trying to follow the Ekadashi calendar > determined and posted > by Sri Srinivasan sometime ago), I want to post > something I learned > recently about the daily japa that should be done by > VaishNavas. There > are lot of members who know about the spiritual > matters more than I do. > I request everybody to make at least one spiritual > posting in a year. > In this respect, I like the slogan of Dejanews, > " Share what you know, > learn what you don't " . > > Recently, I learnt that japa of NArayaNa > ashtakshara mantra is very > essential for the Vaishnavas. I am sure this is old > news for many of the > readers, but it was news for me. Until that time, I > was doing just > daily Gayathri japa. I was told that just as > Gayathri manthra is > essential for being a Brahmin (Brahmanya > siddhatva), NArayaNa > ashtakshara mantra is essential for being a > VaishNava. The gentleman was > also kind enough to give me upadesha of NArayaNa > ashtakshara mantra. I > have found the japa of this mantra is very useful > for daily sadhana. I > wanted to share this information on this Ekadashi > day and urge others to > take upadesha from a qualified person and do this > japa if they are not > already doing this. I would add that when doing the > japa, it is better > to follow the whole sequence of pranayama, > bhutochchatana and dhyana > before starting the japa. > > Posting by sri Bannur on the Dvaita list > indicates the > krishnattothara mantra, and vasudeva dvadhashakshara > mantra and shiva > shadakshara are also very useful for sadhana. > > > Regards, > Vasu > > > > > > -- > ================================= > Vasu Murthy > Bell Atlantic Global Networks > web page: members.xoom.com/vmurthy > vmurthy > W:703-247-7314 Fax:703-247-7359 > ================================== > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > ---------------------------- > > ONElist members are using Shared Files in great > ways! > > Are you? If not, see our homepage for details. > > ------ > nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h| > taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa| > tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH > punaH | > karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA > || > > " I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the > actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the > worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. > That devotion and the fruits of the actions that > come to me are due to His recurring grace " > If one always practices to do actions with a > dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases > Vishnu. > --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in > GitA tAtparya > > === *********************************************************** Raghavendra Rao Rachuri rrachuri http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/2432/ H:301 871 4948 W:301 589 6300X247 *********************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 1999 Report Share Posted July 23, 1999 Namaskara, A good amount of information is available at the following URL and related messages in the list. http://www.dvaita.org/list/list_02/msg00101.html " sarvavAchAM sarvanyAyAnAM bhagavatparatvaM " " Lord Vishnu is 'sarva shabda vAchya'. Every word and every pramANa speaks about Him only. " Regards, Keshava Rao rrachuri on 07/23/99 01:32:48 PM cc: Re: NArayaNa ashtakshara mantra Raghavendra Rachuri <rrachuri Namaskara, Thanks for sharing this info Vasu. I have been doing this japa ever since my guru told me about its significance. I did not have a formal upadesa with dhyana shloka etc., but this manthra was instructed to me by my guru while teaching 'Devara Puje'. So, I guess I can continue the practice of the japa as I do it now until I can get a formal upadesha. Please clarify. Also, the no. of times one can chant Gayatri mantra, as I have known is either 10 or 108 etc. I have read in some places that you can do in multiples of 10. Is it true? I now only do it 10 times because 108 times takes a long time with the NArayaNa ashtakshara (324 times) and I don't have that much time in the mornings. As a result, I only do that occassionally on weekends. If I want to increase the count, can I do it say, 30 times? regards, raghav --- Vasu Murthy <vmurthy wrote: > Vasu Murthy <vmurthy > > KrishNabhaktas, > I heard a comment recently that VMS list is > being mainly used for > activity coordination purposes and not much > spiritual discussions > place. I think this is a valid comment even though > activity coordination > is serving a very useful purpose. Towards this end, > on this Ekadashi > day (I am trying to follow the Ekadashi calendar > determined and posted > by Sri Srinivasan sometime ago), I want to post > something I learned > recently about the daily japa that should be done by > VaishNavas. There > are lot of members who know about the spiritual > matters more than I do. > I request everybody to make at least one spiritual > posting in a year. > In this respect, I like the slogan of Dejanews, > " Share what you know, > learn what you don't " . > > Recently, I learnt that japa of NArayaNa > ashtakshara mantra is very > essential for the Vaishnavas. I am sure this is old > news for many of the > readers, but it was news for me. Until that time, I > was doing just > daily Gayathri japa. I was told that just as > Gayathri manthra is > essential for being a Brahmin (Brahmanya > siddhatva), NArayaNa > ashtakshara mantra is essential for being a > VaishNava. The gentleman was > also kind enough to give me upadesha of NArayaNa > ashtakshara mantra. I > have found the japa of this mantra is very useful > for daily sadhana. I > wanted to share this information on this Ekadashi > day and urge others to > take upadesha from a qualified person and do this > japa if they are not > already doing this. I would add that when doing the > japa, it is better > to follow the whole sequence of pranayama, > bhutochchatana and dhyana > before starting the japa. > > Posting by sri Bannur on the Dvaita list > indicates the > krishnattothara mantra, and vasudeva dvadhashakshara > mantra and shiva > shadakshara are also very useful for sadhana. > > > Regards, > Vasu > > > > > > -- > ================================= > Vasu Murthy > Bell Atlantic Global Networks > web page: members.xoom.com/vmurthy > vmurthy > W:703-247-7314 Fax:703-247-7359 > ================================== > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > ---------------------------- > > ONElist members are using Shared Files in great > ways! > > Are you? If not, see our homepage for details. > > ------ > nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h| > taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa| > tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH > punaH | > karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA > || > > " I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the > actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the > worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. > That devotion and the fruits of the actions that > come to me are due to His recurring grace " > If one always practices to do actions with a > dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases > Vishnu. > --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in > GitA tAtparya > > === *********************************************************** Raghavendra Rao Rachuri rrachuri http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/2432/ H:301 871 4948 W:301 589 6300X247 *********************************************************** --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Congratulations to RON MARTINO This week's FRIENDS & FAMILY WINNER! To join ONElist's Friends & Family program, go to ------ nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h| taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa| tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH | karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA || " I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace " If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 1999 Report Share Posted July 23, 1999 Namaksara, Thank you very much for referring to the articles in the dvaita archive. I have been there before but could not get a satisfying answer to my question. There are three versions(as given below) and I don't know which one is authentic. ----------------- > I believe the notions of 1000, 100, and 10 japa-s being > " uttama-paksha, " " madhyama-paksha, " and " adhama-paksha, " respectively, > comes from Srimad Ananda Tiirtha himself, although I'm not sure from > what text (I'd guess the Tantra-saara-sangraha).> ------------------ I beleive it is 10,108 and 1008 in count ----------------- I'm not sure about this, but I have heard that the Gayathri Japa should be performed on the basis of multiples of nine - ie; one can recite it either 9, 54, 108 or 1008 times a day. ------------------ This is in addition to the one I have read which says you can recite multiples of 10. If the no's come from SrimadAcharya himself, I want to know from what text? regards, raghav --- kesava.padipatri wrote: > kesava.padipatri > > > > Namaskara, > A good amount of information is available at > the following URL > and related messages in the list. > > http://www.dvaita.org/list/list_02/msg00101.html > > > " sarvavAchAM sarvanyAyAnAM bhagavatparatvaM " > > " Lord Vishnu is 'sarva shabda vAchya'. Every word > and every pramANa speaks about Him only. " > > Regards, > > Keshava Rao > > > > > > rrachuri on 07/23/99 01:32:48 PM > > > cc: > Re: NArayaNa > ashtakshara mantra > > > > > Raghavendra Rachuri <rrachuri > > > Namaskara, > Thanks for sharing this info Vasu. I have been > doing this japa ever since my guru told me about its > significance. I did not have a formal upadesa with > dhyana shloka etc., but this manthra was instructed > to > me by my guru while teaching 'Devara Puje'. So, I > guess I can continue the practice of the japa as I > do > it now until I can get a formal upadesha. Please > clarify. Also, the no. of times one can chant > Gayatri > mantra, as I have known is either 10 or 108 etc. I > have read in some places that you can do in > multiples > of 10. Is it true? I now only do it 10 times because > 108 times takes a long time with the NArayaNa > ashtakshara (324 times) and I don't have that much > time in the mornings. As a result, I only do that > occassionally on weekends. If I want to increase > the > count, can I do it say, 30 times? > > regards, > raghav > > > --- Vasu Murthy <vmurthy wrote: > > Vasu Murthy <vmurthy > > > > KrishNabhaktas, > > I heard a comment recently that VMS list is > > being mainly used for > > activity coordination purposes and not much > > spiritual discussions > > place. I think this is a valid comment even though > > activity coordination > > is serving a very useful purpose. Towards this > end, > > on this Ekadashi > > day (I am trying to follow the Ekadashi calendar > > determined and posted > > by Sri Srinivasan sometime ago), I want to post > > something I learned > > recently about the daily japa that should be done > by > > VaishNavas. There > > are lot of members who know about the spiritual > > matters more than I do. > > I request everybody to make at least one spiritual > > posting in a year. > > In this respect, I like the slogan of Dejanews, > > " Share what you know, > > learn what you don't " . > > > > Recently, I learnt that japa of NArayaNa > > ashtakshara mantra is very > > essential for the Vaishnavas. I am sure this is > old > > news for many of the > > readers, but it was news for me. Until that time, > I > > was doing just > > daily Gayathri japa. I was told that just as > > Gayathri manthra is > > essential for being a Brahmin (Brahmanya > > siddhatva), NArayaNa > > ashtakshara mantra is essential for being a > > VaishNava. The gentleman was > > also kind enough to give me upadesha of NArayaNa > > ashtakshara mantra. I > > have found the japa of this mantra is very useful > > for daily sadhana. I > > wanted to share this information on this Ekadashi > > day and urge others to > > take upadesha from a qualified person and do this > > japa if they are not > > already doing this. I would add that when doing > the > > japa, it is better > > to follow the whole sequence of pranayama, > > bhutochchatana and dhyana > > before starting the japa. > > > > Posting by sri Bannur on the Dvaita list > > indicates the > > krishnattothara mantra, and vasudeva > dvadhashakshara > > mantra and shiva > > shadakshara are also very useful for sadhana. > > > > > > Regards, > > Vasu > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ================================= > > Vasu Murthy > > Bell Atlantic Global Networks > > web page: members.xoom.com/vmurthy > > vmurthy > > W:703-247-7314 Fax:703-247-7359 > > ================================== > > > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > > ---------------------------- > > > > ONElist members are using Shared Files in great > > ways! > > > > Are you? If not, see our homepage for details. > > > > > ------ > > nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h| > > taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna > naanyaThaa| > > tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h > punaH > > punaH | > > karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA > > || > > > > " I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the > > actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the > > worship I do is through His grace and not > otherwise. > > That devotion and the fruits of the actions that > > come to me are due to His recurring grace " > > If one always practices to do actions with a > > dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases > > Vishnu. > > --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in > > GitA tAtparya > > > > > > === > *********************************************************** > Raghavendra Rao Rachuri > rrachuri > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/2432/ > H:301 871 4948 > W:301 589 6300X247 > *********************************************************** > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > ---------------------------- > > Congratulations to RON MARTINO > This week's FRIENDS & FAMILY WINNER! > To join ONElist's Friends & Family program, go to > > > ------ > nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h| > taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa| > tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH > punaH === message truncated === === *********************************************************** Raghavendra Rao Rachuri rrachuri http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/2432/ H:301 871 4948 W:301 589 6300X247 *********************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 1999 Report Share Posted July 23, 1999 Raghavendra Rachuri wrote: > Raghavendra Rachuri <rrachuri > > Namaksara, > Thank you very much for referring to the articles in > the dvaita archive. I have been there before but could > not get a satisfying answer to my question. There are > three versions(as given below) and I don't know which > one is authentic. > > [...]- > This is in addition to the one I have read which says > you can recite multiples of 10. If the no's come from > SrimadAcharya himself, I want to know from what text? > > regards, > raghav > - This discussion has been quite enlightening. Personally, I place less importance on the absolute numbers. I prefer doing lesser counts slowly with full devotion and attention rather than doing a larger number in a mechanical fashion when the mind is wandering elsewhere. There is some benefit in doing mechanical repetitions when you are doing day to day activities. But I prefer the former method when doing the daily sadhana. I can share the techniques I use for mind concentration and attention in a future post if there is interest. Hare KrishNa, Vasu > -- ================================= Vasu Murthy Bell Atlantic Global Networks web page: members.xoom.com/vmurthy vmurthy W:703-247-7314 Fax:703-247-7359 ================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 1999 Report Share Posted July 23, 1999 Dear haribhakthas, Thanks a lot to Shri VasuMurthy for getting us a topic to discuss and spend sometime on spiritual issue. As far as I know, the " ashtaskara mantra " is induced along with Gayathri manthra during Upanayana. Father is the best Guru to give Upadesha. 'Panchakshari' is also induced during upanayan, For " shadakshari " we need real Gurus or yathis. To my best knowledge, Ashtakshari is to be recited three times Gayathri and panchakshri is to recited 5 times Gayatri. The normal counts for Gayathri is 10, 108, 1008. I don't know why? Shri Hari Priyatham. B.Gopalakrishna rthy <vmurthy wrote: > Vasu Murthy <vmurthy > > Raghavendra Rachuri wrote: > > > Raghavendra Rachuri <rrachuri > > > > Namaksara, > > Thank you very much for referring to the articles in > > the dvaita archive. I have been there before but could > > not get a satisfying answer to my question. There are > > three versions(as given below) and I don't know which > > one is authentic. > > > > [...]- > > > This is in addition to the one I have read which says > > you can recite multiples of 10. If the no's come from > > SrimadAcharya himself, I want to know from what text? > > > > regards, > > raghav > > - > > This discussion has been quite enlightening. Personally, I place > less importance on the absolute numbers. I prefer doing lesser counts > slowly with full devotion and attention rather than doing a larger > number in a mechanical fashion when the > mind is wandering elsewhere. There is some benefit in doing > mechanical repetitions when you are doing day to day activities. But > I prefer the former method when doing the daily sadhana. > > I can share the techniques I use for mind concentration and attention > in a future post if there is interest. > > Hare KrishNa, > Vasu > > > > -- > > ================================= > Vasu Murthy > Bell Atlantic Global Networks > web page: members.xoom.com/vmurthy > vmurthy > W:703-247-7314 Fax:703-247-7359 > ================================== > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > ---------------------------- > > ONElist: your connection to like-minds and kindred spirits. > > ------ > nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h| > taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa| > tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH | > karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA || > > " I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do > are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and > not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come > to me are due to His recurring grace " > If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to > Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. > --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 >Raghavendra Rachuri<rrachuriJuly 23, 99 > >Namaksara, > Thank you very much for referring to the articles in >the dvaita archive. I have been there before but could >not get a satisfying answer to my question. There are >three versions(as given below) and I don't know which >one is authentic. > >----------------- >> I believe the notions of 1000, 100, and 10 japa-s >being >> " uttama-paksha, " " madhyama-paksha, " and > " adhama-paksha, " respectively, >> comes from Srimad Ananda Tiirtha himself, although >I'm not sure from >> what text (I'd guess the Tantra-saara-sangraha).> > >------------------ >I beleive it is 10,108 and 1008 in count > >----------------- > I'm not sure about this, but I have heard that the >Gayathri Japa should > be performed on the basis of multiples of nine - ie; >one can recite it > either 9, 54, 108 or 1008 times a day. >------------------ > > >This is in addition to the one I have read which says >you can recite multiples of 10. If the no's come from >SrimadAcharya himself, I want to know from what text? It should be in multiples of 10. The first case is a subset of the last one. From TantrasAra, sahasraM paramA devI shatamadhyA dashAvarA | gAyatrI yo japedvipro na sa papena lipyate || Peformance of one thousand Gayatri japa at any one time is the best, one hundred is medium and ten is considered to be the least to be practiced. One who practices this will be free from sins. Regards Keshava Rao >regards, >raghav >> >> Regards, >> >> Keshava Rao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 >kesava.padipatri > >Re: NArayaNa ashtakshara mantra >Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:13:52 -0400 > >kesava.padipatri > > > >Namaskara, > A good amount of information is available at the following URL >and related messages in the list. > >http://www.dvaita.org/list/list_02/msg00101.html In this specific site, Mr. Shrisha Rao has related the fact that Sri Palimar Mutt Swamiji had explained the existence of a pramANa for the exercising of 'nArAyaNa ashTAxara' thrice the number of times of 'gAyatri'. A quote, in that regard, is found in Acharya's work, 'sadAchAra smR^iti'. As I do not have access to that work right now, as I did just a few days ago, I cannot give the quote it in it's sanskrit form, but if one does have the manuscript in their posession, it would be helpful in the posting of the same. As coming from the pen of the 'sarvajNAnachar' of Vedanta, I would leave little doubt in it's authoritativeness. Regards, Kaushik Gururajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 > " Kaushik Gururajan " <kau12July 26, 99 > >In this specific site, Mr. Shrisha Rao has related the fact that Sri Palimar >Mutt Swamiji had explained the existence of a pramANa for the exercising of >'nArAyaNa ashTAxara' thrice the number of times of 'gAyatri'. A quote, in >that regard, is found in Acharya's work, 'sadAchAra smR^iti'. 'sadAchAra smR^iti' : gAyatryAstriguNaM vishhNuM dhyAyannashhTAXaraM japet.h | praNamya devAn.h viprAn.scha gurUn.scha haripArshadAn.h || .. 11 After saluting gods, brahmins, teachers and devotees of Hari, by meditating upon Vishnu, one has to recite 'nArAyaNa ashTAxara' thrice the number of times of 'gAyatri'. Regards, Keshava Rao >Regards, > >Kaushik Gururajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 --- Keshava Tadipatri <meerakesav wrote: > " Keshava Tadipatri " <meerakesav > > 'sadAchAra smR^iti' : > > gAyatryAstriguNaM vishhNuM dhyAyannashhTAXaraM > japet.h | > praNamya devAn.h viprAn.scha gurUn.scha > haripArshadAn.h || .. 11 > > After saluting gods, brahmins, teachers and devotees > of Hari, > by meditating upon Vishnu, one has to recite > 'nArAyaNa > ashTAxara' thrice the number of times of 'gAyatri'. Also, there is some reason why the no. is thrice the times 'gAyatri'. I heard it during a pravachana long time back. I don't remember it exactly. It has something to do with the no. of aksharas. 24 in gAyatri vs 8 in 'nArayaNa ashTAxara'. So, reciting 'nArayaNa ashTAxara' three times would be equal to one gAyatri. Another interesting point is that there is a upper limit on the no. of gAyatri's one can do in a day. This is related to the 72,000 naadis in the human body. Can anyone throw more light on this with pramanas? > Regards, > > Keshava Rao > > >Regards, > > > >Kaushik Gururajan > regards, raghav === *********************************************************** Raghavendra Rao Rachuri rrachuri http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/2432/ H:301 871 4948 W:301 589 6300X247 *********************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 > >Raghavendra Rachuri <rrachuri > >gAyatri. Another interesting point is that there is a >upper limit on the no. of gAyatri's one can do in a >day. This is related to the 72,000 naadis in the human >body. Can anyone throw more light on this with >pramanas? According to the " R^ig vidhAna " , Sownaka has expounded the weakness the Veda Mantras undergo when subject to 'kali doshha'. So, as a remedy for such, one takes shelter in the Gayatri Mantra. V. Nagarajachar's translating words: " One's heart's desires is achieved by doing Gayatri Japa 30,000 times. One lakh of Gayatri Japa brings the benefits declared in all the Veda-Mantras. " And in the same regard, the Japa only becomes fruitful if done with the seven " vyAhR^iti " casing on the 'gAyatri' along with 'prANAyama', 'nyAsa', and 'dhyAna'. If one were to be allowed to do one lakh japa, I do not know how it could have relation to the 72,000 'nADi'-s. I have never heard of an upper limit to the Japa, as I have read numbers that go very high, such as the one lakh. But if such an upper limit existed, it would be interesting to find out. yo japet.h pAvanIm devIm gAyatrIm vedamAtaram.h | na sIdet.h pratigR^ihNAnah pR^ithivIm cha sasAgaram.h || ye chAsya dusthitA kechit.h grahAh sUryAdayo divi | te chAsya sowmyA jAyante shivAh shubakarAstathA || yatra yatra sthitAschaiva dAruNAh pishitAshanAh | ghorarUpAh mahAkAyAh darshayanti na tam dvijam || -- mahAbhArate, ashvamedha-parva " The spiritual power acquired after a rigorous 'sAdhana' decreases in degree if one recieves even a small 'dAna'(a charitable gift). However, the constant meditator of 'gAyatri' is the least loser of his spiritual Power even if he recieves the whole world in 'dAna', including the seven seas. Whatever planets that stand in unfavourable positions, become 'subha-graha-s'(favourable) and bring all the good things in life to the one who takes refuge in 'veda-mata', the 'gAyatri'. The cruel Rakshasas and other invisible evil-spirits are terribly afraid even to look at the sacred person who has accumulated fund of 'gAyatri'(fire) in him. Regards, Kaushik Gururajan >regards, >raghav >=== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 kau12 on 07/28/99 07:45:16 AM " Kaushik Gururajan " <kau12 >> >>Raghavendra Rachuri <rrachuri >> >>gAyatri. Another interesting point is that there is a >>upper limit on the no. of gAyatri's one can do in a >>day. This is related to the 72,000 naadis in the human >>body. Can anyone throw more light on this with >>pramanas? >According to the " R^ig vidhAna " , Sownaka has expounded the weakness the Veda >Mantras undergo when subject to 'kali doshha'. So, as a remedy for such, one >takes shelter in the Gayatri Mantra. >V. Nagarajachar's translating words: > " One's heart's desires is achieved by doing Gayatri Japa 30,000 times. One >lakh of Gayatri Japa brings the benefits declared in all the Veda-Mantras. " >And in the same regard, the Japa only becomes fruitful if done with the >seven " vyAhR^iti " casing on the 'gAyatri' along with 'prANAyama', 'nyAsa', >and 'dhyAna'. >If one were to be allowed to do one lakh japa, I do not know how it could >have relation to the 72,000 'nADi'-s. I have never heard of an upper limit >to the Japa, as I have read numbers that go very high, such as the one lakh. >But if such an upper limit existed, it would be interesting to find out. While there is no upper limit to the Japa, the " uttamapaxa " of 1000 times Gayatri japa (as mentioned by Sri Madhvacharya) has some mathematical explanation as follows. I do not recall any pramanas. But this is what I perceive. Gayatri mantra has 24 letters, and sandhyavandana is done thrice a day. So it comes to 24 * 3 * 1000 = 72,000 letters. Incidentally this corresponds to the 72 thousand " nADi-s " or nerve endings in the human system. There are 36 k male nAdi-s on the right side of the body and 36 k female nAdi-s on the left (12 k are found in legs,14 k in the trunk, 4k in the hands, 6k in the head on each side of the body) who are all controlled by br^ihatInAma Paramathma, through the tatvabhimana devatas.(It is fully explained in sri Harikathamrutha sara commentary by sri Sankarshana odeyaru). In case of " uttamapaxa " , Narayana ashtaxara mantra is done 3000 times and thrice a day. So this amounts to 8 * 3 * 3000 = 72,000 letters. Incidentally bR^ihatisahasra is a prayer of a thousand hymns in Sri Aitareyopanishad. This prayer is offered by the sage Vishvamitra (who is Rishi for Gayatri mantra) and has 72,000 letters (counting consonants and vowels separately). But there is no upper limit to Gayatri japa except the time and capacity of an individual. Regards Keshava Rao >Regards, >Kaushik Gururajan >>regards, >>raghav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 >kesava.padipatri >I think only Gayatri upadesha has to be done by the father. >Narayana mantropadesha can be done by any qualified Guru. >In dvaita archive, I saw that Sri Shrisha Rao had the >Narayana mantropadesha from Sri Vidyamanya Tiirtharu. Actually, as far as I know, 'gAyatri' upadesha should be done by a sannyasi. A friend of mine, also a young boy, had his 'gAyatri' upadesha done by Sri Satyapramoda Thiirtha of Uttaradhi Mutt. According to him, it is actually a must, something that was done for all the boys that underwent upanayana. Such is called REAL 'upadesha', when done by a revered swamiji. Unfortunately, I also have not had the 'gAyatri' upadesha done by a sannyasi. In the case of 'nArAyaNa ashTAxara', the related event below is satisfactory and causes me to believe that such can be done by a sannyasi too. My opinion is, if one recieves upadesha of any kind, be it 'gAyatri', 'nArAyaNa', or the initiation of anything regarding the 'sAttvik' practices, it becomes a hundred fold greater when done by a radiant yati, if such is ALLOWED. >I hope it is O.K. to quote from there. It goes like this " Several >years after my upanayana, I had the good fortune of receiving >mantropadesha in the NaaraayaNa mantra and also in the >Krishna-shhaDakshara-mantra from Sri Vidyaamaanya Tiirtha, at which >time I learned that the NaaraayaNa-mantra has its own procedure >involving dhyaana, sankalpa, japa, tarpaNa, etc.; he also instructed >me that the NaaraayaNa-mantra japa is to be done after the whole of >the sandhyaa is over (not in the middle of sandhyaa just after >Gaayatri-japa). " This is very useful information. > >Even in case of Gayatri upadesha, I think one can get it >from " pitR^i tulya " = one who is like father (eldest brother, >uncle or Guru etc.) under some special conditions. I guess, and anyway, it is better than nothing. Would have to explore those " special conditions " somewhat though, wouldn't we? yacchAvikR^itamevaikam brahma vishvAtmanA mR^ishhA | drishyate mandadrishTayaiva sa sarga ithi gIyate || sa mandadrishTistasyaiva brahmaNah kim tato.nyagA ? brahmaNaschetkva sArvajNmanyagA chetsvato.nyagA ? nAdehayogino drishTiriti tatkAraNam svatah | dehinah kAraNayutA dehAscha yadi na bhramAt.h | kim bhrAntikalpitam tatra bhedo.pi bhramajo yadi | bhrAnterajNAnamUlatvAdanyonyAshrayatA yatah || ---anu-vyAkhyAna " As for the other view of VivartavAdins that the unchanging undifferentiated Brahman itself, by virtue of Maya, comes to be falsely percieved as the world, one has to ask the question if this deceptive perception of of the Brahman itself; or of someone else. If the mis-apprehension belongs to Brahman itself, it would NOT be the all-intelligent being that it is represented to be in the sastras. If the defective vision pertains to some other than Brahman, then the otherness of the Jiiva and Brahman would in no sense be error-ridden.(which is, in the first place, what Madhva has been bellowing all this time) Moreover, since no subject can experience any external reality without a body, mind, and so on, the mind, body and other things must be accepted as realities. What then, is left that is to be ascribed to 'illusory experience'?(in the case of the vivartavAda view) If all external realities and the distinction between jiiva and Brahman are to be put down to beginningless ignorance, even then, since the principle of 'ajNAna' would presuppose some difference in order to come into play, there would be endless interdependence between the two.(Sharma 136) Regards, Kaushik Gururajan >Regards >Keshava Rao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Namaskara, I have a question regarding the initiation of the nArayaNa ashtakshara mantra. I went to Sri Puthige Swamiji for upadesha. He was of the opinion that only ones own father should do the upadesha of this mantra. Now the problem is that my father also did not get this initiation. So, am I deprived of getting upadesha of this mantra in this life or is there any hope for people like me? I am very much interested in getting the upadesha and practicing it daily. Would Swamiji consider if I told him this and give me upadesha? Does anyone had similar experience? Please let me know what you think as I am going to meet swamiji again this weekend. Hare Srinivasa, Raghav --- kesava.padipatri wrote: > kesava.padipatri > > kau12 on 07/28/99 07:45:16 AM > > " Kaushik Gururajan " <kau12 > > > >> > >>Raghavendra Rachuri <rrachuri > >> > > >>gAyatri. Another interesting point is that there > is a > >>upper limit on the no. of gAyatri's one can do in > a > >>day. This is related to the 72,000 naadis in the > human > >>body. Can anyone throw more light on this with > >>pramanas? > > >According to the " R^ig vidhAna " , Sownaka has > expounded the weakness the > Veda > >Mantras undergo when subject to 'kali doshha'. So, > as a remedy for such, > one > >takes shelter in the Gayatri Mantra. > > >V. Nagarajachar's translating words: > > > " One's heart's desires is achieved by doing Gayatri > Japa 30,000 times. One > >lakh of Gayatri Japa brings the benefits declared > in all the > Veda-Mantras. " > > >And in the same regard, the Japa only becomes > fruitful if done with the > >seven " vyAhR^iti " casing on the 'gAyatri' along > with 'prANAyama', 'nyAsa', > >and 'dhyAna'. > > >If one were to be allowed to do one lakh japa, I do > not know how it could > >have relation to the 72,000 'nADi'-s. I have never > heard of an upper limit > >to the Japa, as I have read numbers that go very > high, such as the one > lakh. > >But if such an upper limit existed, it would be > interesting to find out. > > While there is no upper limit to the Japa, the > " uttamapaxa " of 1000 times > Gayatri japa (as mentioned by Sri Madhvacharya) has > some mathematical > explanation as follows. > > I do not recall any pramanas. But this is what I > perceive. > > Gayatri mantra has 24 letters, and sandhyavandana is > done thrice a day. > So it comes to 24 * 3 * 1000 = 72,000 letters. > Incidentally this > corresponds > to the 72 thousand " nADi-s " or nerve endings in the > human system. There > are 36 k male nAdi-s on the right side of the body > and 36 k female nAdi-s > on the left (12 k are found in legs,14 k in the > trunk, 4k in the hands, 6k > in the head on each side of the body) who are all > controlled by > br^ihatInAma > Paramathma, through the tatvabhimana devatas.(It is > fully explained in sri > Harikathamrutha sara commentary by sri Sankarshana > odeyaru). > > In case of " uttamapaxa " , Narayana ashtaxara mantra > is done 3000 times and > thrice a day. So this amounts to 8 * 3 * 3000 = > 72,000 letters. > > Incidentally bR^ihatisahasra is a prayer of a > thousand hymns in > Sri Aitareyopanishad. This prayer is offered by the > sage Vishvamitra (who > is Rishi for Gayatri mantra) and has 72,000 letters > (counting consonants > and vowels separately). > > But there is no upper limit to Gayatri japa except > the time and capacity of > an individual. > > Regards > Keshava Rao > > >Regards, > > >Kaushik Gururajan > > >>regards, > >>raghav > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > ---------------------------- > > GET WHAT YOU DESERVE! A NextCard Platinum VISA: > DOUBLE Rewards points, > NO annual fee & rates as low as 9.9 percent > FIXED APR. > Apply online today! > /ad/nextcard1 > > ------ > nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h| > taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa| > tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH > punaH | > karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA > || > > " I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the > actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the > worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. > That devotion and the fruits of the actions that > come to me are due to His recurring grace " > If one always practices to do actions with a > dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases > Vishnu. > --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in > GitA tAtparya > > === *********************************************************** Raghavendra Rao Rachuri rrachuri http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/2432/ H:301 871 4948 W:301 589 6300X247 *********************************************************** ___________ Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 >Raghavendra Rachuri <rrachuri >Namaskara, > I have a question regarding the initiation of the >nArayaNa ashtakshara mantra. I went to Sri Puthige >Swamiji for upadesha. He was of the opinion that only >ones own father should do the upadesha of this mantra. >Now the problem is that my father also did not get >this initiation. So, am I deprived of getting upadesha I think only Gayatri upadesha has to be done by the father. Narayana mantropadesha can be done by any qualified Guru. In dvaita archive, I saw that Sri Shrisha Rao had the Narayana mantropadesha from Sri Vidyamanya Tiirtharu. I hope it is O.K. to quote from there. It goes like this " Several years after my upanayana, I had the good fortune of receiving mantropadesha in the NaaraayaNa mantra and also in the Krishna-shhaDakshara-mantra from Sri Vidyaamaanya Tiirtha, at which time I learned that the NaaraayaNa-mantra has its own procedure involving dhyaana, sankalpa, japa, tarpaNa, etc.; he also instructed me that the NaaraayaNa-mantra japa is to be done after the whole of the sandhyaa is over (not in the middle of sandhyaa just after Gaayatri-japa). " This is very useful information. Even in case of Gayatri upadesha, I think one can get it from " pitR^i tulya " = one who is like father (eldest brother, uncle or Guru etc.) under some special conditions. Regards Keshava Rao >of this mantra in this life or is there any hope for >people like me? I am very much interested in getting >the upadesha and practicing it daily. Would Swamiji >consider if I told him this and give me upadesha? Does >anyone had similar experience? Please let me know what >you think as I am going to meet swamiji again this >weekend. >Hare Srinivasa, >Raghav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 Previous Swamiji of 108 Sri Mulabagilu Sripadaraja Mutt did bless NArayaNa ashtakshara mantropadesha to my two brothers several years back when he came for Bhiksha to our home in Mysore. Also Sri Krishna-shhaDakshara-mantra upadesha has been blessed to my two brothers by 108 Sri Palimaru Vidyamanya Thirtaru. I would also like to mention that Sri Krishna-shhaDakshara-mantra upadesha has been blessed to my sister by 108 Sri Adamaru Mutt Swamiji Sri Vishwapriya Thirtharu 10 years back at Udupi. I am also aware that 108 Sri Pejavara Swamigalu has blessed Sri Krishna-shhaDakshara-mantra upadesha to my cousin sisters. Janardhan > " Kaushik Gururajan " <kau12 > ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Kaushik Gururajan <kau12 Wednesday, August 04, 1999 7:01 PM > " Kaushik Gururajan " <kau12 > >Actually, as far as I know, 'gAyatri' upadesha should be done by a >sannyasi. A friend of mine, also a young boy, had his 'gAyatri' >upadesha done by Sri Satyapramoda Thiirtha of Uttaradhi Mutt. >According to him, it is actually a must, something that was done >for all the boys that underwent upanayana. Such is called REAL >'upadesha', when done by a revered swamiji. Unfortunately, I >also have not had the 'gAyatri' upadesha done by a sannyasi. Sri Pandurangacharya Srinivasacharya Waiker quotes the following authority. " pitA pitAmahA bhrAta j~nAtayo gotrajA.agrajAH | upAyane.adhikArI syAt.h pUrvAbhAve paraH paraH || " A boy born in " dvija " family becomes eligible for upnayanam at the age of eight. The highest adhikari to initiate gAyatri is the father of the " vaTu " . If father is not available for whatever reason, the grand father is next alternative. Elder brother is next alternative. If elder brother is not available, elders in the family like uncles etc. of the same gotra are the adhikaris. The last alternative is elderly people of the same gotra. This makes lot of sense as gotra is attributed to the originating rishi of the family tree. >My opinion is, if one recieves upadesha of any kind, be it 'gAyatri', >'nArAyaNa', or the initiation of anything regarding the 'sAttvik' >practices, it becomes a hundred fold greater when done by a >radiant yati, if such is ALLOWED. It may be true for any thing, but " gAyatri " upadesha. I will be very curious to know any reliable pramANa with regard to " gAyatri " upadesha that says it becomes a hundred fold greater when done by a radiant yati. If it is the case, it will contradict with the above pramANa. Regards Keshava Rao >Regards, > >Kaushik Gururajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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