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Jay Nelamangala <jay

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Thursday, August 26, 1999 1:44 PM

Re: [vmsvolunteers] Essential duties of a mAdhva

 

 

> " Jay Nelamangala " <jay

>

>Hello Janardhan

>

>Krishna has said in the Geetha, " although (Ajo api San Avyayaatma

Bhootanaam Eeshwaropi San ....)

>I am the Svatantra Paramaatma, when I incarnate in the human form, I will

>follow and do what is normal for human beings "

>

>This is the reason, as a charioteer he makes those horses run on the

ground

>which is normal

>charioteer-like function and not fly them in air ( which he could have done

>if he wanted to).

>This is what you see in Ramayana as well, that the Svatantra Parabrahman,

>is looking for Seetha as though he did not KNOW where she had gone.

Taking

>the help of a paratantra Sugreeva to kill Ravana,

>installing Shivalinga etc.

>

>I hope I have answered your question, let me know.

>

>Jayakrishna Nelamangala

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>Janardhan Krishnarao <vidyajan

>vmsvolunteers <vmsvolunteers >

>Cc: jkrishnarao <jkrishnarao

>Wednesday, August 25, 1999 11:24 PM

>Re: [vmsvolunteers] Essential duties of a mAdhva

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>> " Janardhan Krishnarao " <vidyajan

>>

>>Clarification Requested:

>>

>>1. Did Lord Sri Rama install Shiva Lingam and worshiped it at the place

>>now called Rameswaram before going to war to kill Ravana? If it is true is

>>there a hierarchy violation?

>>

>>2. Just before marriage, bride Rukmini went to temple to perform pooja to

>>Gauri. It is at that time Lord Sri Krishna took her away; and

incidentally

>>Rukmini is none other than Sakshat Sri Lakshmi Devi swaroopa. Now how can

>>this be explained? Why would Laksmi Devi perform Gauri pooja? Hierarchy

>>violation again?

>>

>>3. When Pandava's are doing Vanavasa Sri Krishna advises Draupadi (wife of

>>Sri Bheemasena viz. Bharati Devi) to do Mangala Gauri Vrata on five

>>Tuesdays in Shravana Masa. As per Taratamya isn't Draupadi higher in

>>hierarchy to Gauri? Any explanations for this?

>>

>>Thanks,

>>

>>Janardhan

>>

>>

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Jay Nelamangala <jay

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Wednesday, August 25, 1999 5:11 PM

Re: [vmsvolunteers] Essential duties of a mAdhva

 

 

>Hello,

>

>The Kena upanishad has an episode, in which Parvathi is shown to be the

>Guru of Indra, and she points

>him to ParaBrahman as the cause of all. As Madhwas we only worship Jnana

>with Shakti, as in

>Bharatee Ramana MukhyaPrana, Lakshmi - Narayana Preranayaa etc, as

there can

>be no Shakti without Jnana, we NEVER seperate the two. In Lalitha

>Sahasra Nama, there are passages like Sahasrakshee,

>Sahasrapaat etc which have been attributed to Purusha ( ie Parabrahman )

by

>Rig Veda Purusha Sooktha.

>It appears that the Mayaa concept that Advaita talks about has been

>personified into " Lalitha " . So,

>to worship Gowri as Guru of Indra is OK but not as SarvaMoola. Anything

>short of the absolute is not the

>Absolute is it not so?

>

>Since the whole purpose of shastra is to find " The one principle behind

all "

>( Sarva Moola ), and that one

>principle has been called Parabrahman by the Upanishads, and the author of

>the Brahma-Sutras has shown that the vedic study of the vedic brahman is

the

>same as the vedic study of the vedic Vishnu and

>therefore Brahman and Vishnu ( not the Vishnu of religion) have to be

>considered as synonyms.

>

> " Brahma Sabdascha Vishnaaveva " - Srimad Ananda Theertha in Brahma

>Sutra Bhashya.

>

> " Sarve Vedaa Yat Padam Amananti " - What is it that one thing that

>all the vedas are after?.

> It is not definitely Lalitha, as that name does not even appear in the

>Dashopanishats which all the 3 Acharyas have commented upon.

>

>In any other God / Godess that you may come across, remember Srimad

>Acharya's words in

>

> " Tatra Tatra Sthitho Vishnuhu Tat Tat Shakteehi Prabhodayan, Ekameva

>Mahashaktihi Kurute

> Sarvam Anjasaa "

>

> " Sarvotkarshe deva devasya vishnoho mahaa tatparyam Nai Va cha Anyatra

>Satyam "

>

> " Svatantram Paratantram cha .... Svatantro Bhagavan Vishnuhu "

>

> which means they all need the SarvaMoola for their existence, and there

>is only one Svatantra principle

>which the vedas have called Vishnu.

>

>Harihi Om Tatsat,

>

>Jayakrishna Nelamangala

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>Hunsur_Sriprasad <Hunsur_Sriprasad

>vmsvolunteers <vmsvolunteers >

>Wednesday, August 25, 1999 11:54 AM

>Re: [vmsvolunteers] Essential duties of a mAdhva

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>>Hunsur_Sriprasad

>>

>>

>>

>>> GOPALAKRISHNA.B VARNA " <bgkvarna wrote

>>>

>>> This looks to be interesting. I have seen chanting of Lalitha

>>> sahasra nama in some Madhwa families too. I also heard that it requires

>>> " UPADESHA " . Can we get some more info on this.

>>

>>There was some discussion on the CMS list about this. You can look it up

in

>the

>>archives.

>>

>>During my last visit to India, I verified the facts myself by going

through

>the

>>Lalitha sahasranama. I had an interesting conversation about this with my

>family

>>priest (he is a very learned scholar and has done Sudha mangaLa several

>times).

>>He said if a stotra goes against taratamya (i.e., it has a jIva in a

higher

>>class praying to a jIva in a lower class, like for e.g., saraswathi or

>bharathi

>>praying to Parvathi) then it is definitely for the mohana of asuras and

>madhvas

>>should stay clear of such stotras. What is more interesting is that the

god

>to

>>whom it is addressed will also not accept the stotra. He gave a very

>interesting

>>example. I am quoting his words verbatim,

>>

>>He said, " let's say that we come with a stotra for rAyaru in which we say

>that

>>Sri MadvAchArya worships you. Do you think rAyaru will entertain such a

>stotra?

>>If he did so, would he not be committing guru droha? He will obviously not

>>entertain your pleas even for a second. Similarly, if we praise pArvati

>saying

>>saraswathi worships you, why will she listen to you? If she did, wouldn't

>she be

>>committing daiva-droha? Obviously the devotion she has for saraswathi is

>several

>>million times more than what you and I have and obviously she will reject

>you on

>>the spot. You and I may do something out of ignorance, but a devata cannot

>plead

>>ignorance of taratamya. So they will never, ever entertain such thoughts

>even in

>>their dreams. "

>>

>>I thought long and deep about it, and could not find any flaw in his

>arguments.

>>I hope I have not offended anyone by this, but I think it is my duty to

>inform

>>the rest of the group the knowledge that was given to me.

>>

>>naham karta harih karta

>>sriprasad

>>

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