Guest guest Posted September 2, 1999 Report Share Posted September 2, 1999 Upadesa and Jignasa What is Upadesa? the declention may be as: upa= samipE desa:h= disati iti, that is one guides being close by. Teaching by a guru to a sishya being close by is upadesa. That is, teaching a subject in which the guru is proficient to a student is upadesa. Obviously this involves giving the right knowledge( as the guru has understood it).It does not prohibit the student to think on his own or in case he feels differently about it (like E= Mc3), discussing it with the guru. That is VAdakatha. The discussion shall be free and fair. The decision of the guru shall be taken as final in such discussion. In case of Jignasa, it may be a single individual making the Jignasa( we may call it as 'vichara mathana') or two or more persons discussing or studying a topic toether to get to the truth of the subject , or with a guru leading; example Brahma jignasa. It may not be a formal debate like a Jalpa. It could be between a guru and a sishya as well as in Upadesa. Thus Upadesa and Jignasa may be complimentary to each other. In both the cases the purpose is the desire to know the truth or 'yatarthajnana', that is 'Tattva'. Bannur.R Bid and sell for free at http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 1999 Report Share Posted September 2, 1999 kesava.padipatri wrote: >answered, it may lead to some new questions. Then comes the need >for more " upadesha " and the process goes on until the individual is >satisfied or has reached the limit of his capacity. But as we all >know, there is no end to that process as no one including " Laxmi " >knows " brahman " completely. Clarification: there is no end until mukti, but after that there is no increase in knowledge, as indicated in the pramANa-laxaNa's `krameNa vardhamAnam.h; A mukteH; tato.avyayam.h'. Regards, Shrisha Rao >Keshava Rao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 1999 Report Share Posted September 2, 1999 " jij~nAsa " is defined as " j~nAtum ichchhA " which can be translated as desire to know. It is an ardent desire to know. It can be about anything. But the ultimate subject is " brahman " only. Then it is called " brahmajij~nAsa " . It is like a constant flame burning inside. It is there at all stages. It is there as a prerequisite for " upadesha " , it is there all during " upadesha " and it continues to be there even after it. It is never diminishing and ever increasing, ardent desire. " upadesha " without " jij~nAsa " is futile and " jij~nAsa " without " upadesha " is like a rudderless boat. " jij~nAsa " is further kindled not only during " upadesha " by a teacher but also during discusion with " sahAdhyAyis " (co-learners). A right kind of teacher knows not only the position of his disciple, but also the direction, he has to show to his student. The teacher also knows that even though the same " upadesha " is given to all his students, based on individual capacities, they benefit differently and reach different levels. Also this " jij~nAsa " which includes the inquiry process in the form of many questions finds some answers in " upadesha " . But that starts a cyclic process because even though some questions get answered, it may lead to some new questions. Then comes the need for more " upadesha " and the process goes on until the individual is satisfied or has reached the limit of his capacity. But as we all know, there is no end to that process as no one including " Laxmi " knows " brahman " completely. Regards Keshava Rao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 1999 Report Share Posted September 2, 1999 Namaskara Keshava Rao, Thanks for posting. You have said it very well. But I see lots of other emails, where the upadesha they are talking about is really the Shravana which is the first step in Brahma-Jignaasaa. But in the example I gave of E=Mc2) the 4th grader is not really a Jignaasu. If he was, like the Upanishadic Satyakama, he would ask the person who told him about the prameya ( E=Mc2), to teach him the necessary things for getting that Jnana. So, in my example, what he received as upadesha is not really the " Shravana " that we talk about in shastra as sitting at the feet of a guru and learning shastra, but it is simply a prameya that is given to him as spoon-feeding, and this kind of " upadesha " will not lead to any kind of Shastra-Janya Jnana. This is what I had said in my email. But in the emails I see, people are talking about various kinds of upadeshas etc, which are really the shravana of the Sharava-Manana-Nidhidhyaasana process. I hope this clarifies. Jayakrishna. ---------- ---------- RJAY Consultants Inc., Tel: (703)430-8090 Fax: (703)904-8496 Email: jay ---------- ---------- kesava.padipatri <kesava.padipatri < > Thursday, September 02, 1999 2:50 PM Re: upadesa and jignasa >kesava.padipatri > > > > " jij~nAsa " is defined as " j~nAtum ichchhA " which can be translated as >desire to know. It is an ardent desire to know. It can be about >anything. But the ultimate subject is " brahman " only. Then it is >called " brahmajij~nAsa " . It is like a constant flame burning inside. >It is there at all stages. It is there as a prerequisite for > " upadesha " , it is there all during " upadesha " and it continues to be >there even after it. It is never diminishing and ever increasing, >ardent desire. " upadesha " without " jij~nAsa " is futile and " jij~nAsa " >without " upadesha " is like a rudderless boat. " jij~nAsa " is further >kindled not only during " upadesha " by a teacher but also during >discusion with " sahAdhyAyis " (co-learners). A right kind of teacher >knows not only the position of his disciple, but also the direction, >he has to show to his student. The teacher also knows that even >though the same " upadesha " is given to all his students, based on >individual capacities, they benefit differently and reach different >levels. Also this " jij~nAsa " which includes the inquiry process in >the form of many questions finds some answers in " upadesha " . But >that starts a cyclic process because even though some questions get >answered, it may lead to some new questions. Then comes the need >for more " upadesha " and the process goes on until the individual is >satisfied or has reached the limit of his capacity. But as we all >know, there is no end to that process as no one including " Laxmi " >knows " brahman " completely. > >Regards >Keshava Rao > > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >ONElist announces " FRIENDS & FAMILY! " >For details, including our weekly drawing, go to >/info/onereachsplash3.html > >------ >nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h| >taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa| >tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH | >karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA || > > " I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace " >If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. > --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya --\ ------ RJAY Consultants Inc., Tel: (703)430-8090 Fax: (703)904-8496 Email: jay --\ ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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