Guest guest Posted November 5, 1999 Report Share Posted November 5, 1999 Dear Prof. Hebbar and devotees: Thanks for coming up with a highly structured topics. I agree with others (Sri Gopal Potty for instance) in the list that we need a structure for discussion. Otherwise it gets chaotic, and difficult to digest multi-pronged inputs. However to be fair and include other scholar's input as well, I suggest we do the following: Let one person (say Balaji) take a particular topic (say #1) in his list and outline his thoughts. Let other pundits also review and suggest their inputs. Collectively, this should represent the VMS view of dvaita philosophy. Then let Sri Mani or other SriVaishnava pundits can comment on this outlining their differences or disagreements (with adequate reasoning, pramAna etc). The discussion can then continue both ways. Let us go topic by topic so that it does not take a long time. Hare' Srinivasa GV Srinivasan ---------- Balaji Hebbar [sMTP:bhebbar] Thursday, November 04, 1999 11:37 PM Topics to be expounded Balaji Hebbar <bhebbar Dear VishvamAdhvas: In order to compare our great tradition with RAmAnuja's lets divide them into groupings: DARSHANA (Philosophy) and SAMPRADAYA (Tradition). I. DARSHANA issues: 1. Some PramANa vicAra topics: a) Indeterminate and determinate perception b) Status of the 4000 Prabandhams of the 12 ALvArs 2. Some Prameya vicAra issues: a) substance-attribute relationship b) Nature of God's causal relationship to the Universe c) DharmabhUtajn~Ana (Attributive Consciousness) d) Ontological status of Space e) Ontological status of Time f) Ontological status of ShrI (MahAlakshmI) 3. Some SAdhanA and Mukti vicAra issues: a) Doctrine of Prapatti b) MuktAnandatAratamya (Gradation in the experience of Salvific Bliss) II. Some SAMPRADAAYA Issues: a) Exaltation of GaruDa over HanumAn b) Non-use of gopIcandana c) once-in-a lifetime mudrAdhAraNa I have listed these so that the opponent also can take note and be ready to make his own parallel postings on these. I shall summarize both positions on any given topic before I analyze them. Hari-vAyu smaraNa B.N.Hebbar nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h| taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa| tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH | karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA || " I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace " If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 1999 Report Share Posted November 5, 1999 Dear Balaji, We should somehow make this topics available to Vishistaadvaita distribution lists. I don't know apart from Mr. Mani who else is listening to these discussions from Vishistaadvaita side. Mr. Mani any thoughts on this? Jayakrishna ---------- ---------- RJAY Consultants Inc., Tel: (703)430-8090 Fax: (703)904-8496 Email: jay ---------- ---------- Srinivasan, G V <SrinivasGV < > Cc: 'Balaji Hebbar' <bhebbar; 'mani' <mani Friday, November 05, 1999 1:53 PM RE: Topics to be expounded > " Srinivasan, G V " <SrinivasGV > >Dear Prof. Hebbar and devotees: > >Thanks for coming up with a highly structured topics. I agree with others (Sri Gopal Potty for instance) in the list that we need a structure for discussion. Otherwise it gets chaotic, and difficult to digest multi-pronged inputs. However to be fair and include other scholar's input as well, I suggest we do the following: > >Let one person (say Balaji) take a particular topic (say #1) in his list and outline his thoughts. Let other pundits also review and suggest their inputs. Collectively, this should represent the VMS view of dvaita philosophy. Then let Sri Mani or other SriVaishnava pundits can comment on this outlining their differences or disagreements (with adequate reasoning, pramAna etc). The discussion can then continue both ways. Let us go topic by topic so that it does not take a long time. > >Hare' Srinivasa > >GV Srinivasan > ---------- > Balaji Hebbar [sMTP:bhebbar] > Thursday, November 04, 1999 11:37 PM > > Topics to be expounded > > Balaji Hebbar <bhebbar > > Dear VishvamAdhvas: > > In order to compare our great tradition with RAmAnuja's lets > divide them into groupings: DARSHANA (Philosophy) and SAMPRADAYA > (Tradition). > > I. DARSHANA issues: > > 1. Some PramANa vicAra topics: > > a) Indeterminate and determinate perception > b) Status of the 4000 Prabandhams of the 12 ALvArs > > > 2. Some Prameya vicAra issues: > > a) substance-attribute relationship > b) Nature of God's causal relationship to the Universe > c) DharmabhUtajn~Ana (Attributive Consciousness) > d) Ontological status of Space > e) Ontological status of Time > f) Ontological status of ShrI (MahAlakshmI) > > > 3. Some SAdhanA and Mukti vicAra issues: > > a) Doctrine of Prapatti > b) MuktAnandatAratamya (Gradation in the experience of Salvific > Bliss) > > > II. Some SAMPRADAAYA Issues: > > a) Exaltation of GaruDa over HanumAn > b) Non-use of gopIcandana > c) once-in-a lifetime mudrAdhAraNa > > > I have listed these so that the opponent also can take note > and be ready to make his own parallel postings on these. > > I shall summarize both positions on any given topic before I > analyze them. > > > Hari-vAyu smaraNa > B.N.Hebbar > > nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h| > taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa| > tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH | > karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA || > > " I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace " > If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. > --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya > >>nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h| >taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa| >tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH | >karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA || > > " I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace " >If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. > --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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