Dvaita vis-a-vis Visishtadvaitha

[Guest guest]

Dear scholars.

 

It is my earnest request that this discussion should be carried out in this

forum. There may be a few as me(Madhwa born and brought up at Srirangam), who

would be interested in knowing the Purvacharyas' stand and their

interpretations. Though poor souls as me are incapable of understanding Sanskrit

and thereby the philosophical issues, conducting this discussion in this forum

would enlighten me(us) who has (have) been bestowed by Him the status to

understand English, atleast!

 

If, for some reason, the discussion is going to go private, please include my

e-mail address( sridharh) in your exchanges so that I get to

know your discussion.

 

DAsAnu DAsA

 

Sridhar

[Guest guest]

Friends,

I agree with Mr. Sridhar Hari, that there is no harm in

continuing these discussions in the VMS list, and in fact it may

do some good in enlightening some of us, who are interested and

may want to know more on the subject. One, of course has to

recognise that the matters need to be examined in greater depth

and authoritative texts and statements would have to be produced

and unclear concepts may be have to be referred to " higher "

authority. I do not really believe that such discussions may

have the undesired result of weakening the confidence level of

Madhvas on their own school - in fact the result will be perhaps

the opposite, as their confidence will be based on more precise

knowledge rather than faith and unclear understanding.

But, it is necessary to preserve the decencies of Vaada Kathaa

as I had pointed out earlier.

NAPSRao

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Krishna Bhaktas,

 

Sri Vasu Murthy is the moderator of the VMS List. I know that he and his

family are away in Florida but expected to return home shortly. However,

in order to continue with the discussion, I request the participants to

continue their discussions openly in our VMS List as before. I am

suggesting this on behalf of Sri Vasu Murthy and the rest of the Directors

of the Viswa Madhava Sangha. Personally for me and the rest in the group,

these discussions are enlightening.

 

Namaskara

 

Bindu

 

ps I am also a director of VMS, I am saying this for the benefit of our

Vishistadvaita friends. Thanks.

 

 

Krishna Kalale [kkalale1]

Saturday, December 04, 1999 12:23 PM

'napsrao'; Sridhar Hari

Cc: bhebbar; kesava.padipatri; bkrrao;

mani;

RE: Re: Dvaita vis-a-vis Visishtadvaitha

 

 

Krishna Kalale <kkalale1

 

Dear friends,

 

I feel that there are two differing opinions on the network. Some feel that

dialectics should be on this net and some feel that it should be on a

private network.

 

Who is the deciding authority or LIST MODERATOR to make a decision? Or is

it a democratic voting process, you need to undertake before deciding?

 

thanks

 

Krishna Kalale

 

 

napsrao [sMTP:napsrao]

Saturday, December 04, 1999 8:44 AM

Sridhar Hari

Cc: bhebbar; kesava.padipatri; bkrrao;

mani; kkalale1;

Re: Re: Dvaita vis-a-vis

Visishtadvaitha

 

napsrao <napsrao

 

Friends,

I agree with Mr. Sridhar Hari, that there is no harm in

continuing these discussions in the VMS list, and in fact it may

do some good in enlightening some of us, who are interested and

may want to know more on the subject. One, of course has to

recognise that the matters need to be examined in greater depth

and authoritative texts and statements would have to be produced

and unclear concepts may be have to be referred to " higher "

authority. I do not really believe that such discussions may

have the undesired result of weakening the confidence level of

Madhvas on their own school - in fact the result will be perhaps

the opposite, as their confidence will be based on more precise

knowledge rather than faith and unclear understanding.

But, it is necessary to preserve the decencies of Vaada Kathaa

as I had pointed out earlier.

NAPSRao

 

nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h|

taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa|

tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH |

karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA ||

 

" I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are

His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not

otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are

due to His recurring grace "

If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in

this way, it pleases Vishnu.

--- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya

 

nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h|

taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa|

tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH |

karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA ||

 

" I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His

worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise.

That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His

recurring grace "

If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in

this way, it pleases Vishnu.

--- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

I feel that there are two differing opinions on the network. Some feel that

dialectics should be on this net and some feel that it should be on a

private network.

 

Who is the deciding authority or LIST MODERATOR to make a decision? Or is

it a democratic voting process, you need to undertake before deciding?

 

thanks

 

Krishna Kalale

 

 

napsrao [sMTP:napsrao]

Saturday, December 04, 1999 8:44 AM

Sridhar Hari

Cc: bhebbar; kesava.padipatri; bkrrao;

mani; kkalale1;

Re: Re: Dvaita vis-a-vis Visishtadvaitha

 

napsrao <napsrao

 

Friends,

I agree with Mr. Sridhar Hari, that there is no harm in

continuing these discussions in the VMS list, and in fact it may

do some good in enlightening some of us, who are interested and

may want to know more on the subject. One, of course has to

recognise that the matters need to be examined in greater depth

and authoritative texts and statements would have to be produced

and unclear concepts may be have to be referred to " higher "

authority. I do not really believe that such discussions may

have the undesired result of weakening the confidence level of

Madhvas on their own school - in fact the result will be perhaps

the opposite, as their confidence will be based on more precise

knowledge rather than faith and unclear understanding.

But, it is necessary to preserve the decencies of Vaada Kathaa

as I had pointed out earlier.

NAPSRao

 

nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h|

taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa|

tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH |

karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA ||

 

" I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are

His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not

otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are

due to His recurring grace "

If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in

this way, it pleases Vishnu.

--- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya

[Guest guest]

Krishna bhaktas:

 

Here is a suggestion. Create a new list on the website. As far as

I know, it is a free service and won't cost you a penny (or a paisa). Those

interested in it will join that group. It will also serve as an archive so that

those engaged in the actual discussion will not have to keep sending files and

copies of e-mails to late entrants to that subject.

 

We do need to deal with those objecting to our philosophy. As NAPS Rao has

suggested, this will only strengthen our faith.

 

Arvind Acharya

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends, Hi KP,

I agree with those who have expressed thier desire to

see that theses philosophical issues are openly discussed here. I have to

object strongly to the opinion that such discussions are detrimental to

faith. That such a view is utterly erroneous can be immediately seen by the

fact that our own Acharyas did not think so. Moreover the faith that is blind

faith is not the one our Acharyas recommended and neither does our philosophic

tradition. I had in an earlier posting mentioned the criteria (listed in

Hiriyanna's book) for accepting " revealed truths " - one of which is that it

should not contradict Pratyakhsa. Implicit in this statement is the assumption

of rational questioning and debating before acceptance. Jijnyasa and

nidhidhyasana are a must before shraddha or faith.

 

On the issue of who is the owner ...etc people seem to be forgetting that

internet is basically an open media. Even if the moderator of the list were

to intervene , who " owns " the bulletin board may have some rules

regarding the " heavy handedness " of moderators. Above that if somebody decided

to spam this list it would be hard to stop. The point is that we have to

moderate ourseleves and be OPEN - as the upanishads say " let noble thoughts

come to us from all directions " - and as modern netter might add - there is

always the DELETE key. And if some thoughts are not so " noble " to some on this

list - why they should see this as an opportunity to practice tolerance which

surely is noble ?

 

best regards,

Shri

 

>Krishna Kalale <kkalale1

>

>Who is the deciding authority or LIST MODERATOR to make a decision? Or is

>it a democratic voting process, you need to undertake before deciding?

>

>napsrao <napsrao

>

>Friends,

>I agree with Mr. Sridhar Hari, that there is no harm in

>continuing these discussions in the VMS list, and in fact it may

 

 

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