Guest guest Posted January 12, 2000 Report Share Posted January 12, 2000 t > > " Prasanna Krishna " <krish_p > >>3. What are the relative positions of : other popular devatas such as >>Aiyyappa, Kali? >A) Ayyappa is not considered avatAra of any dEvatha according to Madhwa >Philosophy. > I do not want to comment any further on this. But I strongly recommend >any > follower of dwaita philosophy to stop worshipping Ayyappa if they are >doing. Namaskara, Since my last email, I was not planning to respond to any VMS email. However, Sri Prasanna Krishna's strong recommendation stated above requires my comments since being a Hindu, then a Madhva, I believe in Lord Ayyappa. For the sake of madhvas who have an open mind, I am just giving a very brief story of Sabarimala Ayyappa. Of course for madhva extremists, there is always a trash/delete button to use. About 800 hundred years ago, King Rajasekara, one of the descendants of Pandya Dynasty was ruling Pandalam, an area in Travancore(now part of Kerala) in a very prosperous way and people were living very happily. But the King was very unhappy that he had no children. The subjects were worried that the King had no heir to inherit his Kingdom. King Rajesekara was a great bakta of Lord Shiva and prayed very hard to have a child for him. During this time, Mahishi, cousine of Mahishasura who was killed by Chandikadevi undertook a severe penance and asked Lord Brahma to give a boon so that she would not be killed by anybody except the son created out of Vishnu and Shiva. Just like Hiranyakashubu, she thought that it would be impossible for Narayana and Shiva to come with a son who will kill her. As we all know, Sri Lord Narayana can come in any form or create anyone in order to destroy evil and maintain peace throughout the world. Because of her severe penance, Lord Brahma appeared and gave her wish. Soon after getting the boon, Mahishi started harassing and troubling the Devas. As usual, Devas approached Narayana to find a solution to the problems they were faced with. Same time Lord Narayana had to take the most beautiful female form, Mohini by name,to take care of some problems with Asuras and Devas. At this time Shiva happens to visit Lord Narayana. Now two events were happening, one being King Rajasekara, die hard baktha of Shiva praying hard for a son and the second being the Mahishi's harassments and troubles to Devas and she could be killed only by a son of Lord Narayana and Shiva. Since Narayana being the chairman.CEO and President, HE has to eliminate the evils and maintain dharma and peace whatever it takes. So the net product is Ayyappa. The child Ayyappa was placed in the banks of river Pamba and during King Rajasekaran's hunting trip, he found the child and took to his palace. Like Sri Krishna's childhood, Ayyappa had shown to the palace people and his Guru his super powers in several areas including giving eyesight to his Guru's blind son. There are several stories about Ayyappa and meanwhile King Rajasekara had a son of his own. At the age of 12 years, Ayyappa had killed the Mahishi who had been troubling Devas for sometime. Now Lord Ayyappa had told the King that His duty was done and the King had now a son to inherit his Kingdom. The King did namaskara to Lord Ayyappa and asked he would like to build a temple of Ayyappa in one of the several Hills. Ayyappa replied that his arrow will land in one of the Hills next to Sabari Asrama which was visited by none other than Sri Rama during vanavasa. With that statement Lord Ayyappa physically disappeared from Pandalam Kingdom. Whether madhvas believe or not, let us look at the reality. About 30-35 million Ayyappa baktas from all over India visit the temple during Mandala seaon(about 41 days).At the begining, temple used to open only two times since it is on the top of 10 Kilometer Hills surrounded by 18 other Hills thick forest with wild animals including Tigers.Now they open every month first five days and during Mandala season. Every year the Ayyappa Baktas are increasing. Last Makarasankranti day, the temple had collection in excess of one crore Rs. This does not happen unless there is pressence and power of God there. I know several miracles happened to several families who go every year to Sabarimala. Just give an example, the famous vocalist of Karnatic music and movie songs , Sri Jesudas, a christian, did not have a child for so many years. Someone suggested to him to go Sabarimala Ayyappa temple for darshan after observing strict 41 days of brahmachary type of vratham and Lord Ayyappa will bless him with children. Sri Jesudas did that and within a year or two he had a son whom he named Ayyappa Dasa. Later he had another son. During my life I have seen so many miracles happening to so many Ayyappa bakta families. My family members go to Sabarimala every year and I am fortunate to say that I and my son(born in this country) were fortunate to visit the temple a few times. As a matter of fact, I will be taking leave this friday and going to SSVT temple through 18 steps to darshan Ayyappa here with Irumudi(cloth bag containg coconuts filled with ghee on one's top of the head) which I have been doing every year since the construction of Ayyappa wing at the SSVT, Lanam, MD. Sri HH Sri Puthige Swamiji had done Puja four times in our home and I advised him about my belief in Ayyappa and he being one of my Gurus did not advise me to remove photographs of any God.In stead he advised me to pray Shiva first before Ayyappa. I told him, after all, we say " sarvam Sri Krishnarpanamastu " and if one really believes what one says, then it does not matter how many Gods who pray besides Purushothama or Sarvothama. Every thing one does ultimately goes to the feet of Lord Sri Krishna. So to recommend stop worshipping Lord Ayyappa shows lack of maturity on one's part and I strongly suggest that madhva extremists lay the facts and leave up to the members to decide what to follow. For my part, I follow Sri Puthige Swamiji's message " BE A BEE IN RELIGIONS " . Gopal Krishna Potti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2000 Report Share Posted January 12, 2000 Dear Sri Gopal! Namaskaragalu! Sorry if I had hurt ur sentiments. Note : I definitely agree to the fact the it is up to each individual to believe or not any concept. Let me clear one point. This I am not pointing to either Ayyappa/Saibaba/Santoshimata or any others. Pl. take the gist of it. I would like to comment on ur following statements [sri HH Sri Puthige Swamiji had done Puja four times in our home and I advised him about my belief in Ayyappa and he being one of my Gurus did not advise me to remove photographs of any God.In stead he advised me to pray Shiva first before Ayyappa. I told him, after all, we say " sarvam Sri Krishnarpanamastu " and if one really believes what one says, then it does not matter how many Gods who pray besides Purushothama or Sarvothama. Every thing one does ultimately goes to the feet of Lord Sri Krishna.] Happy to hear that u have good anusandhAna. U submit everything to Sri Krishna by saying " sarvam Sri Krishnarpanamastu " . But for example, say someone worships Duryodhana and says that the worship is meant for antaryAmi of duryodhana, would that be correct? In commentary to Srimad harikathAmrutarasAra by Sri Sankarshana Wodeyaru, Sri Wodeyaru says, we should not worship Sri Hari in nEchAdistana. We should think that Sri Hari is the prEraka to all including nEcharu. So ur point of believing or worshipping anyone and then saying " sarvam Sri Krishnarpanamastu " would not hold good. Pl. correct me if I am wrong. Once again, let me be clear that I am not criticising anyone and I request the readers to take the gist of my argument. Hope more learned people would enlighten us with more inputs. Thanx In Hari Guru Seva Prasanna Krishna >Gopal Potti <gpotti >< > >Fwd: RE: Ayyappa/Madhva Philisophy >Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:21:19 -0500 > >t > > > > " Prasanna Krishna " <krish_p > > > > >>3. What are the relative positions of : other popular devatas such as > >>Aiyyappa, Kali? > >A) Ayyappa is not considered avatAra of any dEvatha according to Madhwa > >Philosophy. > > I do not want to comment any further on this. But I strongly >recommend > >any > > follower of dwaita philosophy to stop worshipping Ayyappa if they are > >doing. > >Namaskara, > >Since my last email, I was not planning to respond to any VMS email. >However, >Sri Prasanna Krishna's strong recommendation stated above requires my >comments since being a Hindu, then a Madhva, I believe in Lord Ayyappa. > >For the sake of madhvas who have an open mind, I am just giving a very >brief >story of Sabarimala Ayyappa. Of course for madhva extremists, there is >always >a trash/delete button to use. > >About 800 hundred years ago, King Rajasekara, one of the descendants of >Pandya Dynasty was ruling Pandalam, an area in Travancore(now part of >Kerala) >in a very prosperous way and people were living very happily. But the King >was very unhappy that he had no children. The subjects were worried that >the King had no heir to inherit his Kingdom. King Rajesekara was a great >bakta of Lord Shiva and prayed very hard to have a child for him. > >During this time, Mahishi, cousine of Mahishasura who was killed by >Chandikadevi >undertook a severe penance and asked Lord Brahma to give a boon so that >she would not be killed by anybody except the son created out of Vishnu and >Shiva. Just like Hiranyakashubu, she thought that it would be impossible >for >Narayana and Shiva to come with a son who will kill her. As we all know, >Sri >Lord Narayana can come in any form or create anyone in order to destroy >evil and maintain peace throughout the world. Because of her severe >penance, Lord Brahma appeared and gave her wish. > >Soon after getting the boon, Mahishi started harassing and troubling the >Devas. >As usual, Devas approached Narayana to find a solution to the problems they >were faced with. Same time Lord Narayana had to take the most beautiful >female form, Mohini by name,to take care of some problems with Asuras and >Devas. >At this time Shiva happens to visit Lord Narayana. Now two events were >happening, one being King Rajasekara, die hard baktha of Shiva praying hard >for a son and the second being the Mahishi's harassments and troubles to >Devas and she could be killed only by a son of Lord Narayana and Shiva. >Since Narayana being the chairman.CEO and President, HE has to eliminate >the evils and maintain dharma and peace whatever it takes. So the net >product is Ayyappa. > >The child Ayyappa was placed in the banks of river Pamba and during >King Rajasekaran's hunting trip, he found the child and took to his >palace. Like Sri Krishna's childhood, Ayyappa had shown to the palace >people >and his Guru his super powers in several areas including giving eyesight >to his Guru's blind son. There are several stories about Ayyappa and >meanwhile King Rajasekara had a son of his own. At the age of 12 years, >Ayyappa had killed the Mahishi who had been troubling Devas for sometime. > >Now Lord Ayyappa had told the King that His duty was done and the King had >now >a son to inherit his Kingdom. The King did namaskara to Lord Ayyappa >and asked he would like to build a temple of Ayyappa in one of the several >Hills. Ayyappa replied that his arrow will land in one of the Hills next to >Sabari Asrama which was visited by none other than Sri Rama during >vanavasa. >With that statement Lord Ayyappa physically disappeared from Pandalam >Kingdom. > >Whether madhvas believe or not, let us look at the reality. About 30-35 >million Ayyappa baktas from all over India visit the temple during >Mandala seaon(about 41 days).At the begining, temple used to open only two >times since it is on the top of 10 Kilometer Hills surrounded by 18 other >Hills thick forest with wild animals including Tigers.Now they open every >month first five >days and during Mandala season. Every year the Ayyappa Baktas are >increasing. >Last Makarasankranti day, the temple had collection in excess of one crore >Rs. This does not happen unless there is pressence and power of God there. > >I know several miracles happened to several families who go every year to >Sabarimala. Just give an example, the famous vocalist of Karnatic music and >movie songs , Sri Jesudas, a christian, did not have a child for so many >years. >Someone suggested to him to go Sabarimala Ayyappa temple for darshan after >observing strict 41 days of brahmachary type of vratham and Lord Ayyappa >will bless him with children. Sri Jesudas did that and within a year or two >he had a son whom he named Ayyappa Dasa. Later he had another son. During >my life I have seen so many miracles happening to so many Ayyappa bakta >families. > >My family members go to Sabarimala every year and I am fortunate to say >that >I and my son(born in this country) were fortunate to visit the temple a few >times. As a matter of fact, I will be taking leave this friday and going to >SSVT temple through 18 steps to darshan Ayyappa here with Irumudi(cloth bag >containg coconuts filled with ghee on one's top of the head) which I have >been doing every year since the construction of Ayyappa wing at the SSVT, >Lanam, MD. > >Sri HH Sri Puthige Swamiji had done Puja four times in our home and I >advised him about my belief in Ayyappa and he being one of my Gurus did >not advise me to remove photographs of any God.In stead he advised me to >pray Shiva first before Ayyappa. I told him, after all, we say " sarvam Sri >Krishnarpanamastu " and if one really believes what one says, >then it does not matter how many Gods who pray besides Purushothama or >Sarvothama. Every thing one does ultimately goes to the feet of >Lord Sri Krishna. > >So to recommend stop worshipping Lord Ayyappa shows lack of maturity on >one's part and I strongly suggest that madhva extremists lay the facts and >leave up to the members to decide what to follow. For my part, I follow >Sri Puthige Swamiji's message " BE A BEE IN RELIGIONS " . > >Gopal Krishna Potti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2000 Report Share Posted January 12, 2000 Namaskaragalu! I have collected some info. from dvaita archive which could be of some interest reg. Ayyappa. Some already would have gone thru these. http://www.dvaita.org/list/list_00/msg00025.html This is indeed a very big mail and hence I request the reader to search for the string Ayyappa. http://www.dvaita.org/list/list_09/msg00013.html Poojya Sri Bannanje Govindacharyara's comment http://www.dvaita.org/list/list_09/msg00026.html Hope this would clear all doubts. " ninna bandhaka shakuthige namO gOpAla vittala " ------------ In Hari Guru Seva Prasanna Krishna > " Prasanna Krishna " <krish_p >gpotti, >Re: Fwd: RE: Ayyappa/Madhva Philisophy >Wed, 12 Jan 2000 07:17:45 IST > >Dear Sri Gopal! > >Namaskaragalu! > >Sorry if I had hurt ur sentiments. > >Note : I definitely agree to the fact the it is up to each individual to >believe or not any concept. > >Let me clear one point. This I am not pointing to either >Ayyappa/Saibaba/Santoshimata or any others. > >Pl. take the gist of it. > >I would like to comment on ur following statements > >[sri HH Sri Puthige Swamiji had done Puja four times in our home and I >advised him about my belief in Ayyappa and he being one of my Gurus did not >advise me to remove photographs of any God.In stead he advised me to pray >Shiva first before Ayyappa. I told him, after all, we say " sarvam Sri >Krishnarpanamastu " and if one really believes what one says, then it does >not matter how many Gods who pray besides Purushothama or Sarvothama. Every >thing one does ultimately goes to the feet of Lord Sri Krishna.] > >Happy to hear that u have good anusandhAna. U submit everything to Sri >Krishna by saying " sarvam Sri Krishnarpanamastu " . But for example, say >someone worships Duryodhana and says that the worship is meant for >antaryAmi >of duryodhana, would that be correct? In commentary to Srimad >harikathAmrutarasAra by Sri Sankarshana >Wodeyaru, Sri Wodeyaru says, we should not worship Sri Hari in >nEchAdistana. > We should think that Sri Hari is the prEraka to all including nEcharu. > >So ur point of believing or worshipping anyone and then saying " sarvam Sri >Krishnarpanamastu " would not hold good. > >Pl. correct me if I am wrong. > >Once again, let me be clear that I am not criticising anyone and I request >the readers to take the gist of my argument. > >Hope more learned people would enlighten us with more inputs. > >Thanx > >In Hari Guru Seva >Prasanna Krishna > > >Gopal Potti <gpotti > >< > > >Fwd: RE: Ayyappa/Madhva Philisophy > >Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:21:19 -0500 > > > >t > > > > > > " Prasanna Krishna " <krish_p > > > > > > > >>3. What are the relative positions of : other popular devatas such >as > > >>Aiyyappa, Kali? > > >A) Ayyappa is not considered avatAra of any dEvatha according to Madhwa > > >Philosophy. > > > I do not want to comment any further on this. But I strongly > >recommend > > >any > > > follower of dwaita philosophy to stop worshipping Ayyappa if they >are > > >doing. > > > >Namaskara, > > > >Since my last email, I was not planning to respond to any VMS email. > >However, > >Sri Prasanna Krishna's strong recommendation stated above requires my > >comments since being a Hindu, then a Madhva, I believe in Lord Ayyappa. > > > >For the sake of madhvas who have an open mind, I am just giving a very > >brief > >story of Sabarimala Ayyappa. Of course for madhva extremists, there is > >always > >a trash/delete button to use. > > > >About 800 hundred years ago, King Rajasekara, one of the descendants of > >Pandya Dynasty was ruling Pandalam, an area in Travancore(now part of > >Kerala) > >in a very prosperous way and people were living very happily. But the >King > >was very unhappy that he had no children. The subjects were worried that > >the King had no heir to inherit his Kingdom. King Rajesekara was a great > >bakta of Lord Shiva and prayed very hard to have a child for him. > > > >During this time, Mahishi, cousine of Mahishasura who was killed by > >Chandikadevi > >undertook a severe penance and asked Lord Brahma to give a boon so that > >she would not be killed by anybody except the son created out of Vishnu >and > >Shiva. Just like Hiranyakashubu, she thought that it would be impossible > >for > >Narayana and Shiva to come with a son who will kill her. As we all know, > >Sri > >Lord Narayana can come in any form or create anyone in order to destroy > >evil and maintain peace throughout the world. Because of her severe > >penance, Lord Brahma appeared and gave her wish. > > > >Soon after getting the boon, Mahishi started harassing and troubling the > >Devas. > >As usual, Devas approached Narayana to find a solution to the problems >they > >were faced with. Same time Lord Narayana had to take the most beautiful > >female form, Mohini by name,to take care of some problems with Asuras and > >Devas. > >At this time Shiva happens to visit Lord Narayana. Now two events were > >happening, one being King Rajasekara, die hard baktha of Shiva praying >hard > >for a son and the second being the Mahishi's harassments and troubles to > >Devas and she could be killed only by a son of Lord Narayana and Shiva. > >Since Narayana being the chairman.CEO and President, HE has to eliminate > >the evils and maintain dharma and peace whatever it takes. So the net > >product is Ayyappa. > > > >The child Ayyappa was placed in the banks of river Pamba and during > >King Rajasekaran's hunting trip, he found the child and took to his > >palace. Like Sri Krishna's childhood, Ayyappa had shown to the palace > >people > >and his Guru his super powers in several areas including giving eyesight > >to his Guru's blind son. There are several stories about Ayyappa and > >meanwhile King Rajasekara had a son of his own. At the age of 12 years, > >Ayyappa had killed the Mahishi who had been troubling Devas for sometime. > > > >Now Lord Ayyappa had told the King that His duty was done and the King >had > >now > >a son to inherit his Kingdom. The King did namaskara to Lord Ayyappa > >and asked he would like to build a temple of Ayyappa in one of the >several > >Hills. Ayyappa replied that his arrow will land in one of the Hills next >to > >Sabari Asrama which was visited by none other than Sri Rama during > >vanavasa. > >With that statement Lord Ayyappa physically disappeared from Pandalam > >Kingdom. > > > >Whether madhvas believe or not, let us look at the reality. About 30-35 > >million Ayyappa baktas from all over India visit the temple during > >Mandala seaon(about 41 days).At the begining, temple used to open only >two > >times since it is on the top of 10 Kilometer Hills surrounded by 18 other > >Hills thick forest with wild animals including Tigers.Now they open every > >month first five > >days and during Mandala season. Every year the Ayyappa Baktas are > >increasing. > >Last Makarasankranti day, the temple had collection in excess of one >crore > >Rs. This does not happen unless there is pressence and power of God >there. > > > >I know several miracles happened to several families who go every year to > >Sabarimala. Just give an example, the famous vocalist of Karnatic music >and > >movie songs , Sri Jesudas, a christian, did not have a child for so many > >years. > >Someone suggested to him to go Sabarimala Ayyappa temple for darshan >after > >observing strict 41 days of brahmachary type of vratham and Lord Ayyappa > >will bless him with children. Sri Jesudas did that and within a year or >two > >he had a son whom he named Ayyappa Dasa. Later he had another son. During > >my life I have seen so many miracles happening to so many Ayyappa bakta > >families. > > > >My family members go to Sabarimala every year and I am fortunate to say > >that > >I and my son(born in this country) were fortunate to visit the temple a >few > >times. As a matter of fact, I will be taking leave this friday and going >to > >SSVT temple through 18 steps to darshan Ayyappa here with Irumudi(cloth >bag > >containg coconuts filled with ghee on one's top of the head) which I have > >been doing every year since the construction of Ayyappa wing at the SSVT, > >Lanam, MD. > > > >Sri HH Sri Puthige Swamiji had done Puja four times in our home and I > >advised him about my belief in Ayyappa and he being one of my Gurus did > >not advise me to remove photographs of any God.In stead he advised me to > >pray Shiva first before Ayyappa. I told him, after all, we say " sarvam >Sri > >Krishnarpanamastu " and if one really believes what one says, > >then it does not matter how many Gods who pray besides Purushothama or > >Sarvothama. Every thing one does ultimately goes to the feet of > >Lord Sri Krishna. > > > >So to recommend stop worshipping Lord Ayyappa shows lack of maturity on > >one's part and I strongly suggest that madhva extremists lay the facts >and > >leave up to the members to decide what to follow. For my part, I >follow > >Sri Puthige Swamiji's message " BE A BEE IN RELIGIONS " . > > > >Gopal Krishna Potti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2000 Report Share Posted January 12, 2000 --- Gopal Potti <gpotti wrote: > > About 800 hundred years ago, King Rajasekara, one of the descendants of > Pandya Dynasty was ruling Pandalam, an area in Travancore(now part of Kerala) > in a very prosperous way and people were living very happily. But the King > was very unhappy that he had no children. The subjects were worried that > the King had no heir to inherit his Kingdom. King Rajesekara was a great > bakta of Lord Shiva and prayed very hard to have a child for him. > > During this time, Mahishi, cousine of Mahishasura who was killed by > Chandikadevi > undertook a severe penance and asked Lord Brahma to give a boon so that > she would not be killed by anybody except the son created out of Vishnu and > Shiva. Just like Hiranyakashubu, she thought that it would be impossible for > Narayana and Shiva to come with a son who will kill her. As we all know, Sri > Lord Narayana can come in any form or create anyone in order to destroy > evil and maintain peace throughout the world. Because of her severe > penance, Lord Brahma appeared and gave her wish. > > Soon after getting the boon, Mahishi started harassing and troubling the Devas. > As usual, Devas approached Narayana to find a solution to the problems they > were faced with. Same time Lord Narayana had to take the most beautiful > female form, Mohini by name,to take care of some problems with Asuras and > Devas. > At this time Shiva happens to visit Lord Narayana. Now two events were > happening, one being King Rajasekara, die hard baktha of Shiva praying hard > for a son and the second being the Mahishi's harassments and troubles to > Devas and she could be killed only by a son of Lord Narayana and Shiva. > Since Narayana being the chairman.CEO and President, HE has to eliminate > the evils and maintain dharma and peace whatever it takes. So the net > product is Ayyappa. What is the source of this story? This story suggests that Mohini avatara occured about 800 years ago. That itself is enough to rule out the entire story. -Nataraj > The child Ayyappa was placed in the banks of river Pamba and during > King Rajasekaran's hunting trip, he found the child and took to his > palace. Like Sri Krishna's childhood, Ayyappa had shown to the palace people > and his Guru his super powers in several areas including giving eyesight > to his Guru's blind son. There are several stories about Ayyappa and > meanwhile King Rajasekara had a son of his own. At the age of 12 years, > Ayyappa had killed the Mahishi who had been troubling Devas for sometime. [snip] > > > Gopal Krishna Potti Talk to your friends online with Messenger. http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2000 Report Share Posted January 14, 2000 Friends, A number of points have already been made and answered on the issues. I have no intention of either reviewing them or adding to them. I have only one or two broad observations on the whole issue - even at the risk of being branded as a " Die-hard " Madhva. 1. Any statement of personal faith in any other religious or philosophical system would be out of place in VMS unless it is related to the objectives of VMS in some way. I think that it is quite clear that those who accept the tenets of Hari Sarvotthama and Vayu Jivotthama along with Pancha Bheda and Tharathamya as their bed rock of faith can not also simultaneously accept another " god " or " Guru " unless it is based on our scriptures or traditional Puranas. The performance of miracles, or acquisition of a large following etc offered as a Pramana for the existence of faith - is clearly irrelevant to the question. The same arguments would be offered by folllowers of other religions too. In my humble opinion, belief in Ayyappa as a God and Thathvavada simultaneously is not possble. One has to choose one or the other. In fact, one of the inscriptions on the Ayyappa temple in Sbarimalai as I observed on TV is the good old " Thathvamasi " - the hall mark of Advaitha. 2. One has to take into consideration the totality of a system of philosophy when accepting Puranic stories even when the source is authenticated. I am not sure if the mythical stories about God Ayyappa as distinct fron the historical personality that would appear to be behind the myth making associated with his name have been properly authenticated. Even assuming for a moment that they are, it is against the basic features of Acharya Madhva's teachings to accept that Vishnu who is Sarvotthama mothered Lord shiva's child, to help deal with an Asura with a boon given by some body , possibly Brahma. There are many stories in Puranas where Vishnu and Vayu have disregarded the boons given by Brahma and Shiva to destroy evil. None of the authentic puranas or any texts like Mahabharatha Thathparya Nirnaya have any thing that can be remotely construed as accepting an event like this. I can not say that freedom to accept any faith or belief includes intellectual inconsistency. One has to choose between being a Madhva or being a devotee of Ayyappa, as a god. If this basic requirement is given up, one can be a combination of beliefs of many religions on the grounds of expediency, miracles, personal choice without any basis in Pramanas etc. I sincerely feel that such would not be the accepted policy of Vishva Madhva Snagha. NAPSRao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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