Delete my name from VMS list/Second Request

[Guest guest]

Namaskara,

 

Vasu, please remove my name from the list and may " GOD " bless you for

that. I am at an age that Jnana Yoga is not practical for me. But I know

the basic concepts of Sri Madhva Siddhanta and I am comfortable with that.

Now I am concentrating on Bhakthi and Love for Lord Krishna and Karma Yoga.

 

In this regards, I do Saligrama Hari Shodshopachara-Puja including

Panchamritha Abhisheka everyday according to Madhva Sampradaya and the

naivadya includes cooked rice, rice pudding with sugar and milk,

panchakajjaye, coconut, banana and so on. The whole puja takes about

three hours. In weekends I do special pujas. I follow Ekadashi vrata, fasting

on every thursdays to remember Sri Raghavendra swamiji and thursday is also

a good day for Lord Krishna and Hanumanta Devaru. After abhishekam to Lord

Narayana, I use some ofthe same pachamritha and thirtha for doing

abhishekam to other dieties including Hanumanta Devaru, Lord Ayyappa,

Ganapathi Devaru and

Sri Raghavendra Swami. About 90 % of my Puja is for Lord Sri Krishna and 10 %

for all other deities and at the end " sarvam Sri Krishnarpamanamastu " . I do

so many other religious things on top of this. As a result, I have no worries

and my family is very happy and we thank " Guruvayoorappan, Udupi Sri

Krihna, Sri Banne Krishna, Sri Venkateshwara and Sri Padmanabha

Swami(Anandashayana)and so on " everyday.

 

From above one can see that I practice Madhva philosophy and not a

theoretician.

If maddhva extremists think that Lord Sri Krishna is going to punish Gopal

for worshipping Lord Ayyappa, they are in fool's paradise. Madhva Philosophy

came into existance only during 1238-1317 A.D, do these people believe that

nobody got mukthi and went to heaven prior to Madhva's time. This is just like

Southern Baptists preaching getting to heaven is only through Jesus Christ

as if no one had gone to heaven prior to that.

 

So I do not want anyone telling me what I shoud do with repect to worship.

I do not care whether I am called a madhva or a nonmadhva. I never requested

in the first place to put my name in the VMS list anyway. One thing I know

that I am trying to become a Krishnabakta. After all, Sri Kanaka Dasa was

not a madhva and Udupi SriKrishna recognised his devotion to Lord.

 

As indicated earlier, I am following Sri Puthige Swamiji's message:

 

" BE A BEE IN RELIGIONS "

 

and I conclude my last emailto VMS by quoting a message (which I believe)

of Sri Narayana Guru for lower caste people in Kerala:

 

" Oru Jathi Oru Matham Oru Daivam Manushane; Matham Ethayalum, Manushan

nannayal mathi " (this is not sankrit but in malayalam language). The

english translation is " One Caste One Religion one GOD for human beings;

irrespective of religion, human beings should be good people "

 

Thanking Vasu for in anticipation of removal of my name from the

VMS list and may " GOD " bless you all for your good deeds.

 

Gopal Krishna Potti

 

 

Another topic for schalors' discussion: If Pralaya had taken thousands of years

back and the whole world was under water, Lord Narayana being the supreme

deity, must have created every thing after that. Is it possible that Sri

Lord Narayana must have created GODS of other religions ?!!! so that the

whole complex world can be managed more effectively. Crazy thinking on

my part !!!

[Guest guest]

> Madhva Philosophy

> came into existance only during 1238-1317 A.D, do these people believe that

> nobody got mukthi and went to heaven prior to Madhva's time. This is just like

> Southern Baptists preaching getting to heaven is only through Jesus Christ

> as if no one had gone to heaven prior to that.

 

 

What do you exactly mean by the above paragraph ? For any body,

if a Mukti needs to happen, it has to happen through " Shri BharathiRamana

MukhyaPrana anthargatha ShriLakshmi Venkatesha " .

 

What made you compare our Madhva Philosophy to Southern Baptists. This is

really not fair on your part to send such a mail to the VMS list, that too

being a Madhva (may not be extremist) and following the Madhva Sampradaya.

I would think you owe an apology to the list before you get d

from the list.

 

What do the list moderators think ? Definitely, the above statements

hurt any Madhva sampradaya follower.

 

In hari Guru Seva

Sheshagiri

[Guest guest]

Fellow Madhvas,

Much has been said about Ayyappa worship and Mr Potti for one

feels that he has been wronged. Obviously his hurt has been deep enough to

compare the " extremists " on this list to southern baptists.

 

IN this instance I finf myself in sympathy with Mr. Potti. I have to agree

that intolerance has been displayed as alleged by him. There are two aspects

to spiritual feeling - intellectual and philosophical and one of faith, awe

reverence and worship. It would be well if one could bring these two aspects

into harmony but more often that is not the case. The hindu tradition it is

claimed is all accepting and tolerant of multifarious religious practices.

If one accepts that - one cannot fault Mr. Potti. If one doesnt - then one is

logically forced to accept his statement about s.baptist and ourselves. There

have been postings in the past by mr. Nataraj ( with whom I find myself

sometimes in agreement) regarding Vivekanda and others. I do find it extremely

disturbing that Vivekanda and other were regarded with what was tantamount to

hatred. I do not to such positions.

 

As Puttige Swami has asserted " be a bee ... " and the dalai lama has explained

the existence of different religions as due to cultural and other differences

in analogy with languages - such indeed is the only rational response. Else

while professing love for others one is indulging in hatred. Historically it

is undeniable that people have been persecuted on the basis of religion.

 

Christ supposedly said 'let him who is without sin be the first one to cast

the stone' - seems pretty decent to me (although his disciples havs certainly

not always adhered to that).

 

If Mr. Potti wishes to worship Ayyappa - good for him. I have listened myself

to Gregorian chant and find that spriritual. Although I do not share

some of his outlook I would like to ask him to continue to be on the list and

to let him know that not all on this list find Ayyappa worship in any way

makes him less of a Madhva.

 

regards,

Shri

 

>Gopal Potti <gpotti wrote :

>Namaskara,

>.... About 90 % of my Puja is for Lord Sri Krishna and 10 %

>for all other deities and at the end " sarvam Sri Krishnarpamanamastu " . I do

>so many other religious things on top of this. As a result, I have no worries

>and my family is very happy and we thank " Guruvayoorappan, Udupi Sri

>Krihna, Sri Banne Krishna, Sri Venkateshwara and Sri Padmanabha

>Swami(Anandashayana)and so on " everyday.

>

>From above one can see that I practice Madhva philosophy and not a

>theoretician.

>If maddhva extremists think that Lord Sri Krishna is going to punish Gopal

>for worshipping Lord Ayyappa, they are in fool's paradise. Madhva Philosophy

>came into existance only during 1238-1317 A.D, do these people believe that

>nobody got mukthi and went to heaven prior to Madhva's time. This is just like

>Southern Baptists preaching getting to heaven is only through Jesus Christ

>as if no one had gone to heaven prior to that.

>

>So I do not want anyone telling me what I shoud do with repect to worship.

>I do not care whether I am called a madhva or a nonmadhva. I never requested

>in the first place to put my name in the VMS list anyway. One thing I know

>that I am trying to become a Krishnabakta. After all, Sri Kanaka Dasa was

>not a madhva and Udupi SriKrishna recognised his devotion to Lord.

>

>As indicated earlier, I am following Sri Puthige Swamiji's message:

>

> " BE A BEE IN RELIGIONS "

>

>and I conclude my last emailto VMS by quoting a message (which I believe)

>of Sri Narayana Guru for lower caste people in Kerala:

>

> " Oru Jathi Oru Matham Oru Daivam Manushane; Matham Ethayalum, Manushan

> nannayal mathi " (this is not sankrit but in malayalam language). The

>english translation is " One Caste One Religion one GOD for human beings;

>irrespective of religion, human beings should be good people "

>

>Thanking Vasu for in anticipation of removal of my name from the

>VMS list and may " GOD " bless you all for your good deeds.

>

>Gopal Krishna Potti

>

>

>Another topic for schalors' discussion: If Pralaya had taken thousands of years

>back and the whole world was under water, Lord Narayana being the supreme

>deity, must have created every thing after that. Is it possible that Sri

>Lord Narayana must have created GODS of other religions ?!!! so that the

>whole complex world can be managed more effectively. Crazy thinking on

>my part !!!

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

I find that the subject is being changed from the correctness of

worship of Demigod Ayyappan to the the sense of wrong felt by

Mr. Potti. Arguments are also being offered about

Broadmindedness, Tolerance etc. I have no wish to contribute to

this aspect of the matter, but I will quote a statement made by

Sri 108 Vidyamanya Tirtha Swamiji (whom I believe, most of us

respect) about the practice of arriving at the Siddhantha by

pointing out the errors of the Purvapakshas considered earlier.

The original is in Kannada and has been translated by me. Mr.

Nelamangala ha also made this point, I believe. As far as I am

concerned, I am interested in the subject to the extent that

Pramanas are made available about the validity of the beliefs.

If such Pramanas do not exist, the conclusion is obvious.

" There will be no harm done to Hindu Unity due to critical

examination of concepts (of philosophy or religion). "

" When we see Yathi Pranava Kalpa of Sri Madhvaacharya, about the

manner of behaviour of Ascetics, we see that most of our

activities go against the Shasthras. But we can not accept the

charge made against us in recent times. Some persons feel that

expounding the Siddhantha of Srimadacharya in big public

functions by criticising and showing the errors of other systems

is wrong. But, if one should get real devotion in God, it is

necessary to have clear knowledge about God without any doubts.

Such knowledge is only obtained by Khanadana and Mandana -

(showing the errors in Purvapaksha and showing that the

Siddhnatha answers all doubts and has no errors). Therefore, if

the normal people should become true devotees of God, such

critical appreciation of Siddhantha is necessary.

Because we criticise such Siddhanthas, does not mean that we

hate the followers of such schools. We will continue to have

affection and appreciation of such persons also. Therefore, we

feel that our activities in this direction will not harm Hindu

Unity. "

I feel therefore, that if at all, there is conviction and faith

on the issue, it should be discussed freely or we should close

this discussion itself.

NAPSRao