Guest guest Posted June 1, 2000 Report Share Posted June 1, 2000 hari saRvOththamma, vAyu jIvOththamma shrI gurubhyO namaha ESTABLISHMENT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEEVA & BRAHMA: (TATVATHO BHEDA, JEEVA BRAHMARA BHEDHA) He says there are many chethanas who are Nithyas & who have had no beginning. BG 2-12: Myself (Krishna), yourself (Arjuna) & all the kings that are assembled hee, there was no time in the past when all these were not existing, now we are all present, & in future we all will be there from Krishna's statement. it is clear that many chethanas have relationship with past, present & future time are there. If there were to be only one Parabrahma thatva, then why did yogeeswara Krishna took the trouble of establishing " aham " thvam (you) " Emejanadhipaha " (all these kings)? Krishna shows in many shlokas that even though body is lost, soul is immortal. BG 2-13: For a chethana having a prakruthic dheha, when the body had in childhood changes, he gets the body of a youth, when this youthful body changes, he gets the body of a oldman & when he looses that he gets a new one. Wise people do not feel sorry at these changes of body. Note: Under shloka # 1 above, Shankaracharya also has opened that " Thrishvapi Kaleshunithya " i.e. they are Nithya in past, present, & future but after words, he has added that " Athmasvarupena thyarthaha;dhehabhedhanu unithya bahuvachanam;nathma bhedha bhipryena " from point of view of atma, nithyathva has been stated, because there are many bodies plural number is used. Not because there are different athmas. In the original shloka of Geetha, there is no authority for his individual opinion that there are not many athmas. Only many athmas have been mentioned who are Nithya. In BG 2-12: Krishna has stated the Nithya thva for all chethanas including Himself. In BG (2-13: Since it deals with the loss of the body & it applies only to Jeevas to indicate that & exclude himself, he has used the word " dhe-hi-naha " specifically. Further, he makes this point clear by using the word " sari ri naha " BG 2-18: For a chethana that has a body made of prakruthi, his body is liable for destruction while soul is immortal BG 2-17: No body can destroy immortal soul. BG 2-20: Soul has neither birth nor death only the appearance & disappearance of body is considered as birht & death to the chethanas. BG 2-21: Since soul is devoid of any destruction. It should be considered as devoid of any change (anyaya). Krishna has said that jeeva is avinasic. He does not get destroyed himself. He has added further " Nithya Avinasinam " the world Nithyam that means at no time, it gets destroyed. It is immortal from this it is clear that a soul does not merge in the another soul or God & lose its identity but always maintains its individual identity Krishna makes the position that, no change can come to a jeeva, strong by giving further reason. BG 2-23 to 25: This jeeva is not cut by asthras, fire does not burn, water does not wet, the wind does not dry because jeeva is not a thing of susceptible for change. Therefore he can not merge with any thing else. Krishna says that God also does not under go any change. Paramathma (Krishna) does not under go any change. Ajo pisanna vyayathma: Paramathma has had no birth, His body is not susceptible of any change. BG 13-32: TO BE CONTINUED................................................................. Lectures on Bhaghavath Geetha (Dhwaitha Siddhantha Vaijayanthi) by H. H. Sri Sathya Dhyana Thirtha Sri Padhangalavaru, Uttradhi Mutt Translated into English by Sri Krishnamurthy Published by Sri M. R. Krishnamurthy & Sri M. N. Gururaja Rao of Mumbai Printed at: Parishree Printers 100/3 Nagappa Street Palace Guttahalli Bangalore 5600 04 Telephone # (80)368286 All rights remain with Uttradhi Mutt, Basavangudi, Bangalore 560004 Permission was given to post it in this list by the Uttradhi Mutt authorities & by Sri SathyAthma Thirtha Swamiji of Uttradhi Mutt. bhAratIramaNamukhyaprANA.ntargata shri kRuShNARpanamasthu ............................................................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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