Guest guest Posted January 19, 2001 Report Share Posted January 19, 2001 hari sarvottamma, vaayu jiivottamma shrii gurubhyo namaha shrii kR^iShNa parabrahmane namaha MUKTHI NAIJA SUKHA NUBHUTHIHI: DESCRIPTION OF NATURE OF MUKTHI: MUKTHI SVARUPA NIRUPANA: ESTABLISHMENT OF MUKTHI ENJOYMENT OF SVARUPANANDA OF JEEVAS Question: Swamy, does it not appear that Krishna also has such Mukthi when he has said " Santhi mapnothi " nirvana madhigachchathi " etc...? Answer: There is nothing more useless thatva than accepting soonya vada. Would Krishna who is the protector of everybody, & paramathma, himself would say that knowledge without an object as thathva & soonya (zero) as Mukthi? Krishna, has never used mere word nirvana in the sense of Mukthi. He said " Nirvanam brahma adhigachchathi " & " Santhim Mathsamstham " . He has said that jnani attains Nirvana Brahma (brahma without a body made of prakruthi) & jnanee attains a place in me to be there peaceful. Will the para brahma, who created this world & who is maintaining it say that it is false? Will the protector of the world, Krishna, say that all his works like killing of Kamsa, the war of Kurukshethra are false? When he is present in all beings as antheryami & directing them in their everyday life say that all the chethanas are false & they exist only in the imagination? The theory that says the bandha of prakruthi is false. Karma is false the means of knowledge like prathyaksha (sense knowledge), Anumana, (logic) & Agama are all false, sasthras like veda are false, effort by people is false & Mukthi is false, itself has been rejected as false by scholors. All the objections, we have shown whne proving that Brachmai-kya which involves destruction of jeeva bhava, apply with equal force for the theory which says Nirvana bhava is Mukthi. The general idea pervading Gaunda padas work, that bondage & liberation, the individual soul & the world, are all unreal, makes the critic toobserve that the theory which has nothing better to say that an unreal soul is trying to escape from an unreal bondage in an unreal world, to accomplish an real supreme good, may it self be unreality. It is one thing to say that the secret of existence.... is a mystery & another to dismiss the whole changing universe as mere mirage.... The greatest condemnation of such a theory is that we are obliged to occupy ourselves with objects, the existence & value of which we are continously denying in theory. Charvaka system states that pruthvi (earth) etc... bhuthas form our body that body itself is the soul, there is no loka which cannot be known by our indriyas, & there is no rebirth. Destruction of the body is Mukthi. Krishna, has said further 1. BG 8-13: meaning if a person dies while doing my dhyana, he attains paramagathi (Mukthi) 2. BG 8-5: Even at the the time of death, if the devotee dies thinking of Me, he will attain Me in a state of happiness without any sorrow or pain. There is no doubt in this. 3. BG 2-72: Arjuna, what I have described so far is the state of brahma jnanee. If he remains in that state at the time of death, he will become free from samsara & attain brahma who has nobody made of prakruthi. In Nyaya system of Mukthi is described as under: The world has sorrow & twenty items generating sorrow total twenty one sorrows. According to that system, world does not contain even a single item that does not cause sorrow. Even pleasure is considered to be a cause for sorrow. For chethana has the fear that the happiness, he has at present will come to an end soon after the end of the present happiness sorrow will follow which cannot be avoided. Sorrow is of twnty one kinds " Sareeram shadhindhriyani, shadvishayaha, shadbudhdha yaha. Sukha, dhukhamcheti yeka vimsathihi " . The body which has five bhutas, eyes, skin, ear, tongue, nose & mind (Manas) roopa, sound, sparsha, rasa, gandha, smruthi (memory) these subjects of indriyas. Whne indriyas come in contact with concerned subject six experiences result & sukha & dhukha make up total of twnty one " Yekavimsathi dhukhudhvamso Mukthihi " The destruction of these twenty one sorrows completely is mukthi. We also agree with complete destruction of sorrow in Mukthi but that is not enough. There must be the enjoyment of positive happiness. But idea that only the absence of sorrow is Mukthi is not acceptable to Krishna who says: BG 5-21: The yogi who is interested in Dhyana will attain happiness early. Mukthi or naiyayikas is not wished even by dogs. Then how can jnanees accept it? If good happiness is expected, even yogees (jnAnees) toleate some sorrow for a time. They may even accept happiness & unhappiness in equal proportion. If only absence of sorrow is Mukthi wise people may prefer samsara for such Mukthi. Since there is some happiness in samsara, they will tr to reduce sorrow in samsara as much as possible. They would not try for a Mukthi which involves the loss of a little happiness they enjoy in samsara. One may argue that swarga with more happiness & less sorrow is for better than a mukthi that has no hapiness & sorrow. The system of meemansa, swarga itself is mukthi. Krishna has depreciated this. BG 2-42-44) Arjuna people interested in pleasures in swarga, without understanding the correct meaning of vedas, accept apparantly appearances on the surface & feel that veda mantras are intended only for prosperity in this world & in swarga & feel that attainment of swarga is itself Mukthi. This is a mistaken idea & people having such idea will not get the correct jnana that is conducive to attain Mukthi. BG 9-20-21: Thraividhyas that have attain svarga, after the punya they had earned is exhausted, they come down to earth for next birth. BG 8-16: Arjuna only people who attain Me do not return for rebirth. All other stages from which people return for rebirth are not Mukthi sthanas. Description of Mukthi given in Bhasya of Ramanujacharya, that Brahmananda Samya, is not acceotable for Krishna who has described difference in intrinsic ability of jeevas, & different methods of attaining mukthi. Krishna has indicated in sloka like " Dhaivisampadhvi mokshya " the difference in Ananda in Mukthi as described in ananda valli of Taithyareya upanishad. Question: Swamy, Thadha vidwan punya pape vidhuya niranjanaha paramam samya mupaithi " In this sruthi, it is clearly stated that jnanee who has seen parabraham, becomes free from both punya & papa & attains paramasamaya Krishna also has said? Answer: TO BE CONTINUED................................................................. Lectures on Bhaghavath Geetha (Dhwaitha Siddhantha Vaijayanthi) by H. H. Sri Sathya Dhyana Thirtha Sri Padhangalavaru, Uttradhi Mutt Translated into English by Sri Krishnamurthy Published by Sri M. R. Krishnamurthy & Sri M. N. Gururaja Rao of Mumbai Printed at: Parishree Printers 100/3 Nagappa Street Palace Guttahalli Bangalore 5600 04 Telephone # (80)36828 All rights remain with Uttradhi Mutt, Basavangudi, Bangalore 560004 Permission was given to post it in this list by the Uttradhi Mutt authorities & by Sri SathyAthma Thirtha Swamiji of Uttradhi Mutt. bhAratIramaNamukhyaprANA.ntargata shri kR^iShNArpanamasthu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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