Guest guest Posted January 23, 2001 Report Share Posted January 23, 2001 hari sarvottamma, vaayu jiivottamma shrii gurubhyo namaha shrii kR^iShNa parabrahmane namaha MUKTHI NAIJA SUKHA NUBHUTHIHI: DESCRIPTION OF NATURE OF MUKTHI: MUKTHI SVARUPA NIRUPANA: ESTABLISHMENT OF MUKTHI ENJOYMENT OF SVARUPANANDA OFJEEVAS Question: Swamy, Thadha vidwan punya pape vidhuya niranjanaha paramam samya mupaithi " In this sruthi, it is clearly stated that jnanee who has seen parabraham, becomes free from both punya & papa & attains paramasamaya Krishna also has said? Answer: BG 14-2: The sruthi which says 'paramasamya'mupaithi has explained the respect in which 'paramasamya'' is attined by the words " Punya Papa " vidhuya niranjnani " (B 32). The Easwara Samya that jeeva attains is freedom from anistapunya papa & freedom from dhosha & only in these two respects. Even such Mukthas are under the control of God & they are of varying grades has been indicated by the word upaithi. Muktha also according to their intrinsic eligibility will be near Paramathma. In Geetha also, it is made clear the Mukthas get samya only in respect of " Sargepinopajayathe, pralayana vaithauthicha " only the dharma of not being born in creation & not dieing in pralaya is the samya that Mukthas get with the paramathma. the followers of Ramanuja have also to accept that a jeeva can never get paramasamya with paramathma. Paramathma is ever Muktha. Jeevathma has attained Mukthi after much efforts. Even when Jeevathma attains Mukthi, Sri Bhasyakara himself has agreed, that Muktha jeeva dones not get the vishnudharmas like Lakshmi Pathithva, power of creation, power of maintaining the world. Power of destroying the world, controlling the world, power of mainitaining the world. Power of destroying the world, controlling the world, power of awarding Mukthi to other jeevas. These are the important qualites of Vishnu. In Brahmasuthras, for the question who is Brahma reply is " Janma dhasya yathaha " i.e. one who does creation maintenance & destruction etc of the world. If we have to say that Muktha jeeva gets paramasamya with paramathma, he gets paramasamya with paramathma, he should get timportant qualities of paramathma. If it is said jeeva Muktha attains paramasamya with paramathma, it may mean that jeeva could not create the world before Mukthi but he may do so after Mukthi. So far, he has not created. There is no assuance that a Muktha will create the world hereafter. Therefore, all should agree that jeeva will not get paramasamya with paramathma in Mukthi also. Instead of giving the meaning of the sruthi " Paramasamya mupaithe (B 33) as Muktha jeeva attains samya with paramathma, except in the qualities of the creation of the world etc... if it is given as the Muktha jeeva attain samya with paramathma in qualities other than creation, purnandathva etc... then there will be no objection or defect. 3. In Brahmasuthras " Anandha mayo bhyasath " (B 33 ) the suthra kartha has decided only Brahma is Anandhapoorna (he is the only one full of Ananda). If all the Mukthas are ananda purnas many should have been decided as Anandamayas. If you consider the indications in Sri Bhashya, it looks as though Mukthas are having greater anandha or in a better position as enjoyers of ananda than Vishnu. For after doing all the work of creation maintenance, & destruction of the world. Vishnu has certain amount of Ananda, but Mukthas have the same amount of Ananda without doing any of those things. If in our world, one man earns a certain amount after doing some work & another earns the same amount without any work the second person is considered better than the first. On this analogy, Mukthas are better than Vishnu. In the philosophy of Ramanujacharya, it is stated that though Mukthas are purnas by their volition, they have accepted the service of God. Since, it has been said that Mukthas have the same anandha as paramathma, then it should be they are equal to God in Isvarya i.e. in jnana, etc, this is particularly since Ramanujacharya has said that knowledge (jnana=vastu sakshathkara) is Anandha. In other words, Mukthas & paramathma to accept the sevitude of paramathma voluntarily. As equals, they can be friends. Since Ramanujacharya has accepted the servitude of Mukthas (i.e. Mukthas do service to God), he shoudl have accepted that difference between God & Mukthas namely God is superior & Mukthas are inferior. Krishna clearly says that servitude (inferiority) which is natural to jeevas remains in Mukthi also. BG 15-17, 18: Lakshmi is Akshara purusha. She does not undergo any change. She is a permanent Muktha. She is the highest of the Mukthas but she is the servat of paramathma. If she had as much Anandha as Paramathma, she could have been only a friend not a dAsi. Krishna has said that she is his subordinate, that he is a support for her, that he is superior to her etc.... He has taught Arjuna like this. When Lakshmi highest of the Mukthas is a subordinate to paramathma, it automatically follows that all Mukthas are subordinate to paramathma (Vishnu). Krishna says in BG 14-27: I am the support for Lakshmi & for unchanging of Mukthas, I am the controller of permanent dharma & happiness in Mukthi. If the anandha of Mukthas were to be equal to the Anandha of paramathma, the author of Bhaghavatha would have mentioned many as svaramanas at " Artheshva bhijnaswarat " instead of saying there is only one svaramana. Since it has been decided that only Vishnu is svaramanas , the ananda of Mukthas cannot be equal to the anandha of Vishnu. All the Mukthas have the following qualities in common with paramathma. Being without defects (nirdhoshatva) without sorrow (dhukharahithva) not coming back to samsara (Apunaruhathva) permanent happiness (Sasvatha sukhanubhav) some have the same appearance as Vishnu any paramasamya different from this world be against reason. Mukthi in sankhya philosophy is entertaining to read. " Badhyathemuchchyathe.... Prakruthihi " This is what is stated in sankya for Prakruthi only. Athma (Purusha) is not affected by Prakruthi. He has neither bondage nor freedom from bondage. He does not have even the illusion of bondage. Prakruthi causes such illusion in Anthakarana, which is a product of prakruthi & just as a dancer walks away from the dancing hall after the dance is over the prakruthi will go away from the purusha. Purusha does not feel any sorrow or pain on account of bondage & does not feel any relief froom sorrw or pain or any happinesswhen the illusion of Bondage is gone. This wonderful conception is in advaitha also. Advaitha Brahma is nissanga (nothing affects him) Atma has no bondage no mukthi. The entire world is the work of avidhya or prakruthi. Whne Brahma Chethana is nirguna (has no quality at all) how can there be any illusion to him? Therefore " Aham " " I ness " is only anthahkarana. Illusion of bondage, bondage, removal of bondage & mukthi are all for anthahkarana only. Advaithathma does not enter samsara in any way. Keeping these in mind ancients have said " Sankhya Saugatha Bhattanam sankara chchamkarodhayaha " . This means Advaitha thatva is made up of mixture of nirgunathma from sankhya jagathmithyathva from Buddists & some statements from mimamsa (Bhatta). But there is the difference sankhyas agree that there are numerous athmas but advaitha has only one atma. No material difference is caused whether athma is one or many so long he is nishkriya & asanga (i.e. he does not do anything & nothing affects him like a big stone). We who say " I " are only separate (Anthakarana). Krishna says that bondage, freedom from bondage.... TO BE CONTINUED................................................................. Lectures on Bhaghavath Geetha (Dhwaitha Siddhantha Vaijayanthi) by H. H. Sri Sathya Dhyana Thirtha Sri Padhangalavaru, Uttradhi Mutt Translated into English by Sri Krishnamurthy Published by Sri M. R. Krishnamurthy & Sri M. N. Gururaja Rao of Mumbai Printed at: Parishree Printers 100/3 Nagappa Street Palace Guttahalli Bangalore 5600 04 Telephone # (80)36828 All rights remain with Uttradhi Mutt, Basavangudi, Bangalore 560004 Permission was given to post it in this list by the Uttradhi Mutt authorities & by Sri SathyAthma Thirtha Swamiji of Uttradhi Mutt. bhAratIramaNamukhyaprANA.ntargata shri kR^iShNArpanamasthu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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