Guest guest Posted February 9, 2001 Report Share Posted February 9, 2001 Namaskara, Can any one tell me some info about Sri-vishnuthirtha's Amsha & Avatara aspects. Sri-vishnuthirtha the first pontiff of sode-mutt and also younger brother of Sri-madwacharaya in poorvashrama Thanx in advance/rgds Sarvam-sri-krishnamayam. Srinivas prasad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2001 Report Share Posted February 12, 2001 Namaskara, Sri VishnuThirtha was the second son of MadhwaGehya couple and younger brother of Acharya Madhwa. He was none other than Arjuna(i.e. Indra's amsha).As in Mahabharatha Arjuna was the younger brother of Bhimasena,even in this birth, as VishnuThirtha,he was the younger brother of Madhwacharya(This has been stated in SumadhwaVijaya and also in Mahabharatha Tatparya Nirnaya).Just like Acharya, Sri VishnuThirtha was a great devotee of SriHari and his Diksha was very much adorable. If i have told anything which is not correct,please do let me know.The info provided is with reference to SumadhwaVijaya(4th sarga).I will let u know more info abt Sri VishnuThirtha in my later mails. hari sarvottama,vayu jeevothama. Vadiraj - Srinivas Prasad Dvaita-List (E-mail) Cc: VMS Main list (E-mail) Friday, February 09, 2001 7:20 PM Sri-vishnuthirtha Namaskara, Can any one tell me some info about Sri-vishnuthirtha's Amsha & Avatara aspects. Sri-vishnuthirtha the first pontiff of sode-mutt and also younger brother of Sri-madwacharaya in poorvashrama Thanx in advance/rgds Sarvam-sri-krishnamayam. Srinivas prasadnAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h|taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa|tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH |karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA ||"I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace" If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya To send an empty E-mail (without subject and body info.)to - or go the web page/community/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2001 Report Share Posted February 12, 2001 sri: sri rukmini sametha sri venugopala parabrahmane namaha Most Respected Bhagavathar, Daasana Namaskaragalu I have a smalll query to clarify from your posts. Please excuse my audacious nature. You mention that: >He was none other than Arjuna(i.e. Indra's amsha) According to my understanding of Srimad Maha-bharatham, Arjuna was born to Kunti and Pandu out of the grace of Indra. Kunti had obtained a boon from Sage Vishwamitra(?) that she would get a son each time she prays to a God. Likewise, Karna was born by the grace of Surya, Bheema by the grace of Vayu, Yudhistira by the grace of Yama, Nakula and Sahadeva were born to Madri by the grace Ashwini Brothers. Also, I have understood that Arjuna is an amsha of Nara and Parthasarathi Krishna is Naarayana. (The Nara-Naarayana). It does not appear sound to classify Arjuna as Indra's amsha. Then Again, This doubt may be due to my very limited Intelligence. Please do consider my questions. Adiyen Ramanuja Daasan, Malolan Cadambi "Jayatu Jayatu DevO Devaki NandanOyam" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 Malolan Cadambi [cadambimalolan] Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:47 AM I have a smalll query to clarify from your posts. Please excuse my audacious nature. You mention that: >He was none other than Arjuna(i.e. Indra's amsha) According to my understanding of Srimad Maha-bharatham, Arjuna was born to Kunti and Pandu out of the grace of Indra. Kunti had obtained a boon from Sage Vishwamitra(?) that she would get a son each time she prays to a God. Likewise, Karna was born by the grace of Surya, Bheema by the grace of Vayu, Yudhistira by the grace of Yama, Nakula and Sahadeva were born to Madri by the grace Ashwini Brothers. Also, I have understood that Arjuna is an amsha of Nara and Parthasarathi Krishna is Naarayana. (The Nara-Naarayana). It does not appear sound to classify Arjuna as Indra's amsha. ...... In the Adiparva of Mahabharata, Janamejaya asks a question regarding amshas of the various personalities in MBh; to which Sri VaishampAyana replies thus: vaishampAyana uvAcha: mAnuSheShu manuShyendra sambhUtA ye divaukasaH . prathama.n dAnavAMshchaiva tA.nste vakShyAmi sarvashaH ..... dharmasyAMshaM tu rAjAnaM viddhi rAjanyudhiShThiram bhImasenaM tu vAtasya devarAjasya chArjunam ashvinostu tathaivAMshau rUpeNApratimau bhuvi nakulaH sahadevashcha sarvalokamanoharau Here he mentions that Arjuna has the amsha of devarAja - Indra. Sorry I am unable to get the exact reference. This section on the amshAs is very interesting. Ofcourse, there are many other instances -- When Arjuna visits Indraloka (in vanaparva), where Arjuna is said to be possess Indramsha. Also at many places, Arjuna is said to be 'nara' (of the nara-nArAyaNa pair). To reconcile these, we should find out where the 'svarupa' of nara is mentioned. (Srimad Acharya has given the nirNaya for this in his Mahabharata tatparyanirnaya, but I don't know his sources :-)). Regarding Sri Vishnutirtha, I've heard that He has the same amsha as that of Sri Narayana panditacharya - skandAmsha; I don't know the source, but whatever it is, they were both very very fortunate! Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2001 Report Share Posted February 21, 2001 , " Malolan Cadambi " <cadambimalolan@h...> wrote: > sri: > sri rukmini sametha sri venugopala parabrahmane namaha > > Most Respected Bhagavathar, > > Daasana Namaskaragalu > > I have a smalll query to clarify from your posts. Please excuse my audacious nature. > > You mention that: > > >He was none other than Arjuna(i.e. Indra's amsha) > > According to my understanding of Srimad Maha-bharatham, Arjuna was born to Kunti and Pandu out of the grace of Indra. Kunti had obtained a boon from Sage Vishwamitra(?) that she would get a son each time she prays to a God. Likewise, Karna was born by the grace of Surya, Bheema by the grace of Vayu, Yudhistira by the grace of Yama, Nakula and Sahadeva were born to Madri by the grace Ashwini Brothers. > > Also, I have understood that Arjuna is an amsha of Nara and Parthasarathi Krishna is Naarayana. (The Nara-Naarayana). > It does not appear sound to classify Arjuna as Indra's amsha. In Dr. Sri Vyasanakere Prabhanjana's latest edition of " Sumadwa Vijaya " (Kannada) while explaining the meaning for the shloka " nisacarreriva lakshmanah.... " (4th sarga, 26th shloka) has a foot note explanation. This footnote explains that Sri Vishnu Thirtha is the Amsha of Indra. He also quotes Acharya's Sri Mahabharatha Tatparya Nirnaya's 129th shloka of 32nd chapter (ArjunaadyaH KruthE Prajaatha HarithOshanAya..)to confirm this. (This is not in his older editions though). Sri Narayana Panditacharya's " Amshaavathara " confirms this. (Sorry , I don't have it with me at work to confirm whether it also says about the Arjuna's Nara amsha). Amshavaathaara is nothing but a collection of Amsha, Avathaara and Avesha of 100s of characters in Mahabhaaratha. In case if you wonder how come Arjuna be Indramsha when in fact Indra is his father, the answer is great satvik souls like Indra do take more than one body at a time to expedite their saadana time. These satvik souls parallel task in different bodies to get rid of their praarabdha karma. Srimad Acharya's Upaadi Khandana confirms this parallel tasking nature of the souls while condemning the Bhaskara vaada (amshi/amsha vaada)of advaita. (Again, I am sorry I don't have the exact shloka with me here. It should be 16th or 15th). Regards, Murthy Krishnam vande Jagadgurum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 Murthy Navaratna <murthyn wrote: >In Dr. Sri Vyasanakere Prabhanjana's latest edition of " Sumadwa Vijaya " >(Kannada) while explaining the meaning for the shloka " nisacarreriva >lakshmanah.... " (4th sarga, 26th shloka) has a foot note explanation. This >footnote explains that Sri Vishnu Thirtha is the Amsha of Indra. He also >quotes Acharya's Sri Mahabharatha Tatparya Nirnaya's 129th shloka of 32nd >chapter (ArjunaadyaH KruthE Prajaatha HarithOshanAya..)to confirm this. >(This is not in his older editions though). > >Sri Narayana Panditacharya's " Amshaavathara " confirms this. (Sorry , I >don't have it with me at work to confirm whether it also says about the >Arjuna's Nara amsha). Amshavaathaara is nothing but a collection of Amsha, >Avathaara and Avesha of 100s of characters in Mahabhaaratha. Arjuna's mUlarUpa is Indra and he has the avesha of Hari, Vayu, and [amsha of]Nara I think you are referring to the second line of the second verse in " aMshAvatAraH " by shrI Narayana Panditacharya. " arjunaH pUrvamevendro harivAyunarAMshayuk.h " Also, note that Acharya's Mahabaratha Tatparya Nirnaya Chapter 12, verse # 99: " sa chArjuno nAma narAMshayukto vishhNvAveshI balavAnastravettA | .....|| 12\.99|| Indra [who takes the incarnation] named Arjuna is also bestowed with the amsha of Nara and Avesha of Vishnu. He will be strong, skilled in archery. Also, MBTN 2\.122 " rudrAtmakatvAchchheshhasya shuko drauNishcha tattanU | indre narAMshasampattyA pArtho.apIshhat.h tadAtmakaH " Since Sukha and Ashvathama have the amsha-s of Rudra in them, they can be said to belong to 3rd kaxya. Since Arjuna who is an 'incarnation' of Indra also has amsha of Nara, he also said to belong to 3rd kaxya Btw, an e-text of the mahAbhArata-tAtparya-nirNaya,[2708 KB, 625 pages] (Includes a Preface, a translation of the Bhava-Sangraha of Sri Raghavendra Tirtha, a list of authorities, is available at dvaita text resources i.e ., http://www.dvaita.net Regards, Meera Tadipatri _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 Namaskara, U have provided very good info,on Arjuna as Indra's amsha.But i have a small query,that may be due to my limited knowledge. You said: " Since Sukha and Ashvathama have the amsha-s of Rudra in them, they can be said to belong to 3rd kaxya. Since Arjuna who is an 'incarnation' of Indra also has amsha of Nara, he also said to belong to 3rd kaxya " . I hope the word u used " kaxya " is with respect to the taratamya.If it is so,then " Rudra devaru " does not belong to the 3rd kaxya,he belongs to the 5th kaxya.As per my understanding of taratamya, Indra belongs to the 8th kaxya.Sorry if i have mentioned the kaxya wrong to which Indra belongs,becos i am not sure abt the exact number,but i am very sure Arjuna who is Indra's amsha belongs to a kaxya not less than 7. As u know, Taratamya starting from Hamsanamaka Paramatma 1st kaxya: Sri Vishnu 2nd kaxya: Laxmi Devi 3rd kaxya : Brahma,Vayu. 4th kaxya : Saraswathi devi, Bharathi devi. 5th kaxya : Rudra,Shesha,Garuda. and so on.. hari sarvottama vayu jeevotamma. vadiraj - Meera Tadipatri <mtadipatri Thursday, February 22, 2001 5:31 AM Re: Re: Sri-vishnuthirtha > On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 Murthy Navaratna <murthyn wrote: > > >In Dr. Sri Vyasanakere Prabhanjana's latest edition of " Sumadwa Vijaya " > >(Kannada) while explaining the meaning for the shloka " nisacarreriva > >lakshmanah.... " (4th sarga, 26th shloka) has a foot note explanation. This > >footnote explains that Sri Vishnu Thirtha is the Amsha of Indra. He also > >quotes Acharya's Sri Mahabharatha Tatparya Nirnaya's 129th shloka of 32nd > >chapter (ArjunaadyaH KruthE Prajaatha HarithOshanAya..)to confirm this. > >(This is not in his older editions though). > > > >Sri Narayana Panditacharya's " Amshaavathara " confirms this. (Sorry , I > >don't have it with me at work to confirm whether it also says about the > >Arjuna's Nara amsha). Amshavaathaara is nothing but a collection of Amsha, > >Avathaara and Avesha of 100s of characters in Mahabhaaratha. > > Arjuna's mUlarUpa is Indra and he has the avesha of > Hari, Vayu, and [amsha of]Nara > > I think you are referring to the second line of the second > verse in " aMshAvatAraH " by shrI Narayana Panditacharya. > > " arjunaH pUrvamevendro harivAyunarAMshayuk.h " > > Also, note that Acharya's Mahabaratha Tatparya Nirnaya Chapter 12, verse # > 99: > > " sa chArjuno nAma narAMshayukto vishhNvAveshI balavAnastravettA | > ....|| 12\.99|| > > Indra [who takes the incarnation] named Arjuna is also bestowed > with the amsha of Nara and Avesha of Vishnu. He will be strong, > skilled in archery. > > Also, MBTN 2\.122 > " rudrAtmakatvAchchheshhasya shuko drauNishcha tattanU | > indre narAMshasampattyA pArtho.apIshhat.h tadAtmakaH " > > Since Sukha and Ashvathama have the amsha-s of Rudra in them, > they can be said to belong to 3rd kaxya. Since Arjuna who > is an 'incarnation' of Indra also has amsha of Nara, he also > said to belong to 3rd kaxya > > Btw, an e-text of the mahAbhArata-tAtparya-nirNaya,[2708 KB, 625 pages] > (Includes a Preface, a translation of the Bhava-Sangraha of Sri Raghavendra > Tirtha, a list of authorities, is available at dvaita text > resources i.e ., > > http://www.dvaita.net > > Regards, > > Meera Tadipatri > > _______________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h| > taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa| > tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH | > karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA || > > " I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace " > If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. > --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya > > To send an empty E-mail (without subject and body info.) > to - or go the web page > /community/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 " Vadiraj " <g_vadiraj wrote: > >Namaskara, >You have provided very good info,on Arjuna as Indra's >amsha. Thanks. My intention was to take support from MBTN to show Arjuna as Indra's 'incarnation' etc., " indre narAMshasampattyA pArtho.apIshhat.h tadAtmakaH " 2\.122 which means " by the presence of narAmsha in his Indra incarnation, Partha also belongs a little to that anga " . Since " that " stands aloof, I wanted to include first line. Having quoted a non-English verse, I tried to give a 'gist' of the entire Sanskrit verse. My *translation* may not be quite accurate. >But i have a small query, Sure! I am just a beginner and as such my knowledge is highly limited. All the same, I've tried to answer, hoping the errors will be corrected by others. >I hope the word u used " kaxya " is with respect to the taratamya.If it is > >so,then " Rudra devaru " does not belong to the 3rd kaxya,he belongs to the >5th kaxya.As per my understanding of taratamya, Indra belongs to the 8th >kaxya.Sorry if i have mentioned the kaxya wrong to which Indra >belongs,becos i am not sure abt the exact number,but i am very sure Arjuna >who is Indra's >amsha belongs to a kaxya not less than 7. > Sorry, I meant to say 3rd " anga " . Laxmi being " Nitya aviyogini " , the third kaxya is " prathamAnga " , 4th kaxya is " dvitIyAnga " , the 5th kaxya is " tR^iTiyAnga " and so on. The reason Arjuna is said to belong to tR^itIyaAnga is not because he is indrAvatAra, but because he is " narAmsha " and nara is " sheshAvatAra " . So, it should read: " Since Shuka and Ashvathama have the amsha-s of Rudra in them, they *can be* said to belong to 3rd anga (or 5th kaxya). Since Arjuna who is an 'incarnation' of Indra also has amsha of Nara (who is sheshhAvatAra), he also *can be*said to belong to 3rd anga (or 5th kaxya) " Also, I made a typo .... 'Shuka'(i.e. shukamaharshhi) instead of 'Sukha'. Regards, Meera Tadipatri >Vadiraj _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2001 Report Share Posted March 5, 2001 murthyn [murthyn] Wednesday, February 21, 2001 10:07 PM In Dr. Sri Vyasanakere Prabhanjana's latest edition of " Sumadwa Vijaya " (Kannada) while explaining the meaning for the shloka " nisacarreriva lakshmanah.... " (4th sarga, 26th shloka) has a foot note explanation. This footnote explains that Sri Vishnu Thirtha is the Amsha of Indra. He also quotes Acharya's Sri Mahabharatha Tatparya Nirnaya's 129th shloka of 32nd chapter (ArjunaadyaH KruthE Prajaatha HarithOshanAya..)to confirm this. (This is not in his older editions though). **** In the above mentioned verses, nothing more than a simile is mentioned. In the madhva-vijaya, 4th sarga, a comparision is made to Sri Rama/Lakshmana and Sri Bhima/Arjuna. And in MBTN, the grace extended to Arjuna and others are mentioned. Can somebody please clarify why Sri Vyasanakere feels that Sri Vishnutirtha is an amsha of Indra? Does Sri Narayana Panditacharya mention anything in his bhAvaprakAshika? Thanks, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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