Guest guest Posted December 26, 2001 Report Share Posted December 26, 2001 hari sarvottamma, vaayu jiivottamma shrii gurubhyo namaha shrii kR^iShNa parabrahmane namaha MOKSHA SADHANA NIRUPANVU- " AMALA BHAKTHI SCHATHTH SADHANAM " - (DESCRIPTION OF THE METHOD OF ATTAINING MOKSHA): CONSIDERATION OF ACCESSORIES OF DHYANA KARMAYOGA: Question: Swamy, in all the sentences , you have said only 3 items have mentioned: 1. Not desiring the result or free from the defect of kama which is sanyasa. 2. Thathva jnana which is sankhya 3. performance of prescribed karma. Why you have not mentioned the fourth item namely thyaga which is surrendering the results of Karma to paramathma? Answer: Considering that Karmanushtana (performance of prescribed Karma) & surrendering the results to paramathma, we did not separately mention thyaga. Only the karma that includes all the four amsas (parts) is complete Karmayoga. This is clear from Krishna's words in Chapter 3. BG 3-30: You should fight in the war, believing that I (Krishna) am sarvoththamma chethana, without desire in the result, performing all prescribed karmas, surrendering the same to Me without self interest (Mamatha rahitha), without any sorrow (Santhapa). In this sentence, " Sarvani karmani " indicates karmanushtana. Karma yoga, " Mayi sanyastya " indicates phala samarpana (Thyaga) " Adhyathma chethana " indicates sankhya " Nirasinir mamaha " non desire in result & no self interest i.e. sanyasa, such a visishta karma yoga is actual cause & early realization of aparoksha jnana. Krishna has used karma yoga or karma in the way 1. " Yam sanyasamithi prahuryogam tham viddhi pandava " . In such places, karma yoga or yoga means visishta karma yoga including Karmanushtana, thyaga, sanyasa & sankhya. " Thyayostha karma sanyasath karma yoga vishishyathe " . In such places, Swavarna srama vihitha karma nushtana only is called as Karma yoga. Depending upon the context, one should understand the meaning. This way of explaining by Krishna is convenient to the Sruthi " Karmanajnana mathanothi " (B 47). In the shruthi, the word " Karma " should mean, Visista karma yoga with all the four parts. Since such karma is actual cause of aparoksha jnana sruthi is intepreted with mukhyartha. One can say realization of Brahma jnana in two ways. 1. Performance of dailly & periodically prescribed karma, sravana, manana, dhyana. Then aparoksha jnana sruthi is intepreted with mukhyartha. One can say realization of Brahma jnana in two ways. Krishna has described in the second way in first shatka & in many slokas of second shatka. It appears that he likes more the description in the second way. There is an advantage in the second description when it is said that for karma yoga, aparoksha jnana is the result (phala), it means one has to follow Karma yoga till he attains aparoksha jnana. In that case, no one can get any doubt about how karma yoga is necessary for acquiring jnana or how long one would continue karma? SANKHYA ======== There is no need to teach sankhya according to Advaitha in Geetha. Question: Swamy, kindly explain briefly sankhya, sanyasa, thyaga, Karma as stated in Geetha. Answer: " Kevalam bhagavadjnana sankhya nithya chyathe budhai hi " . According to this statement, correct decision of thathva according to the meaning of vedas is called sankhya. We come across sankhya in three places. Sankhya sasthra found by Kapila Rishi. This is one of the six systems of philosophy. This is considered as nireasvara sankhya i.e. there is no God in this system. Both advaithies & dvaithies have rejected this as a false philosophy. 2nd Sankhya as told by Kapila muni (an avatara of Vishnu) to his mother Devahuthi, in 3rd skantha of Srimad Bhaghavatha, 3rd sankhya taught by Krishna to Arjuna in Geetha chapter 2, slokas from 11 to 38, there is no difference between the sankhya in 3rd skantha of Bhagavatha & sankhya in chapter 2 of Bhagavatgeetha. Sankhya means correct thatva jnana. (Knowledge of thathva). Krishna says in Chater 2- 39, so far I told you about " thathva jnana " (Knowledge of thathva) now I shall tell you about yoga, the method to acquire knowledge of thathva. From this, it is clear that what Krishna has said in the portion from 11th sloka to 38th sloka in chapter 2, is the sankhya that is useful for attaining Mukthi. 2. The second chapter of Geetha is a summary of thathva. The meaning we have so far said for the 27 slokas is the correct meaning. To prove this, we shall consider the doubts of Arjuna. From this, it will be clear for every one when the sankhya taught by Krishna was adhvaitha or dhvaitha. Irrespective of whatever it is, it must satisfy the following 1. it must clear the doubt of Arjuna. 2. It should remove the sorrow of Arjuna. 3. & it should encourage Arjuna to fight in the war, for these purposes, we shall consider questions from Arjuna & answers from Krishna in order. Question: Swamy, we wish to consider this subject in greater detail. How did Moha (misconception) came to Arjuna who is indraputra, a great jnani & one who did not sucum to the vile attempts of even Urvasi (a beautiful angel) & who taught agneyasthra to chithraratha. Moha means mithya jnana. Arjuna is considered to be free from branthi or illusion. How cold he get ajnana? Answer:There is no answer for this question in advaitha system. For from the point of view of Advaitha system, one has to consider Arjuna as an ajnanee, before the war. He would not have come to the battle field at all. But, even after hearing thatvopadhesha from Krishna-vishnu himself he remained an ajnani. For, instead of gaining brahma jnana, he continued to fight in the war. If one is not able to understand thathvajnana, even when Vishnu himself teaches, then what other guru can teach advaitha to sishya so that he will get brahma jnana & become Ikhya with brahma? But this analysis is very unfair to Arjuna & Krishna. For Arjuna was a jnani initially. He was an avathara of Indra. He has a very high position among devatas. It is said that no one gets a portion among devatas who did not have a prior dharsana of paramathma. According to shastras, every one becomes " jnani as soon as he sees parabrahma. Advaithies say that God himself is a magician. He has created this false world. Visvaroopa was a false show. Question: Swamy, it is true that it is not possible to give a satisfactory reason for Arjuna to get moha & vishadha & to explain the removal of vishadha. How is it easy in dhvaitha? Answer: Our guru, Sri Madhvacharya who is a jnana, Bhaskara has suggested two alternative suggestions: 1. No one can escape from prarabdha karma, even devatas at times get a jnana due to prarabdha karma, prarabdha karma is to be finished by actual experience & by the grace of parabrahma. All the devatas like Indra are having certain position & doing their duty as seva of parabrahma. This is clear from sruthies like " Bhishasmadhvathava pavathe, bhishodhethi suryaha " (B 48) & Brahma suthras like " Bhoge nathvitha rekshapayithvatha sampathsyathe " upamardhancha " Sankaracharya has also agreed that sasthras say that even jnanees are not free from prarabdha karma, his own words, " Uthpanne pyathma vijnane prorabdham naivamanchathi " yithiyachchrooyathessasthre; he has further said " thani raksruthe's dhuna " We are rejecting what is said in sasthra. There is no authority for this rejection. So, the first explaination for Arjuna to get Moha is due to his prarabdha karma. But should be appreciated that when high devathas experience prarabdha karma, the result may be a great boon to the whole world. Since Arjuna got moha due to prarabdha karma, Krishna made thathvapodesa for him which has incidentally proved a great boon to the whole world. We may consider another example a person who is working on a road for dailly wages, due to this prarabdha karma is useful for his family only. The man who is working as prime minister due to his prarabdha karma is useful to the whole country. Second Alternative: Krishna is supreme God. He might have felt that he wanted to help the world by teaching sankhya. Since He is Hrushikesa, i.e. the controller of all indriyas of all chethanas, making prarabdha karma of Arjuna as a nimitha karana, " he might have put Moha in the mind of Arjuna, so that when Krishna asked Arjuna to see his enemies. Arjuna who said that he wanted to see thsoe who had come to help wicked Dhritharashtra's puthra, & with whom he had to fight. But actually saw only his blood relatives, of whom some command respect some command love, others kindness. He did not see any enemy fit to be killed. Arjuna was a jnani. His last words confirm this " Nash-to moha smruthiriabdha thvath prasadha-thnmayachutha " He says Smuthilabdha " that is I remember what I had forgotten. So, he was a jnani, only temperorily for sometime. He forgot his jnana & had moha & vishadha. 1. BG 2-8: Hey Keshava, I do not know how I can become free from this sorrow(Vishadha) that has made me so weak. TO BE CONTINUED................................................................. Lectures on Bhaghavath Geetha (Dhwaitha Siddhantha Vaijayanthi) by H. H. Sri Sathya Dhyana Thirtha Sri Padhangalavaru, Uttaradhi Mutta Translated into English by Sri Krishnamurthy Published by Sri M. R. Krishnamurthy & Sri M. N. Gururaja Rao of Mumbai Printed at: Parishree Printers 100/3 Nagappa Street Palace Guttahalli Bangalore 5600 04 Telephone # (80)36828 All rights remain with Uttradhi Mutt, Basavangudi, Bangalore 560004 Permission was given to post it in this list by the Uttradhi Mutt authorities & by Sri SathyAthma Thirtha Swamiji of Uttradhi Mutt. bhAratIramaNamukhyaprANA.ntargata shrii kR^iShNArpanamasthu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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