Vayu -The Jeevothama and Vayu, reporting to Indra

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Namaskara,

How many Vayu's are there?

Vayu The jeevothama and the Vayu, Reporting to Indra , I feel both

are different . If that is the case,then how many such vayu's are

there? . what is their taratamyas?

( According to my knowledge, Vayu, The jeevothama is next to Vishnu

Lakshmi and Brahma in taratamya).

Regards,

Venkatram

[Guest guest]

Hi arvachar,

Vayu who reports to Indra is called as Pravaha Vayu. He is again controlled very much by indra.

And Vayu Jeevothama is in 'Q' to the Brahma's Position.

And Ruju Ganastharu are in 'Q' to Vayu Jeevothams's Position..

For example VadiRajara Gurugalu comes in Ruju Ganastharu.

 

Regards

Bheemasena Rao.Y

 

-

arvachar

Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:03 AM

Vayu -The Jeevothama and Vayu, reporting to Indra

Namaskara, How many Vayu's are there?Vayu The jeevothama and the Vayu, Reporting to Indra , I feel both are different . If that is the case,then how many such vayu's are there? . what is their taratamyas? ( According to my knowledge, Vayu, The jeevothama is next to Vishnu Lakshmi and Brahma in taratamya).Regards,VenkatramnAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h|taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa|tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH |karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA ||"I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace" If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya --To send an empty E-mail (without subject and body info.) to - --Visit VMS at http://www.madhva.orgView the latest events in the US by selecting the 'Events' link--

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Just need one more clarification-

Is Vajy jeevothamma the god of wind or is it Pravaha

Vayu ?

 

-Raghu

--- Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN

<bheemasenarao_y wrote:

> Hi arvachar,

> Vayu who reports to Indra is called as Pravaha Vayu.

> He is again controlled very much by indra.

> And Vayu Jeevothama is in 'Q' to the Brahma's

> Position.

> And Ruju Ganastharu are in 'Q' to Vayu Jeevothams's

> Position..

> For example VadiRajara Gurugalu comes in Ruju

> Ganastharu.

>

> Regards

> Bheemasena Rao.Y

> -

> arvachar

>

> Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:03 AM

> Vayu -The Jeevothama

> and Vayu, reporting to Indra

>

>

> Namaskara,

> How many Vayu's are there?

> Vayu The jeevothama and the Vayu, Reporting to

> Indra , I feel both

> are different . If that is the case,then how many

> such vayu's are

> there? . what is their taratamyas?

> ( According to my knowledge, Vayu, The jeevothama

> is next to Vishnu

> Lakshmi and Brahma in taratamya).

> Regards,

> Venkatram

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Raghavendra Rao ,

Please Note :

 

Pravaha Vayu comes in 11 th position before Yama in Taratamya.

 

Vayu Jeevothama is Mukhya Prana who comes in 4 th position in Taratamya.

Vayu Jeevothama name is self explanatory that he is having full control over Jeeva.

So is the breathing of Jeeva is in his hand.

 

Regards

Bheemasena Rao.Y

 

-

Raghavendra Rao

Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN ; Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:56 AM

Re: Vayu -The Jeevothama and Vayu, reporting to Indra

Just need one more clarification-Is Vajy jeevothamma the god of wind or is it PravahaVayu ? -Raghu--- Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN<bheemasenarao_y wrote:> Hi arvachar,> Vayu who reports to Indra is called as Pravaha Vayu.> He is again controlled very much by indra.> And Vayu Jeevothama is in 'Q' to the Brahma's> Position.> And Ruju Ganastharu are in 'Q' to Vayu Jeevothams's> Position..> For example VadiRajara Gurugalu comes in Ruju> Ganastharu.> > Regards> Bheemasena Rao.Y> - > arvachar > > Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:03 AM> Vayu -The Jeevothama> and Vayu, reporting to Indra> > > Namaskara,> How many Vayu's are there?> Vayu The jeevothama and the Vayu, Reporting to> Indra , I feel both > are different . If that is the case,then how many> such vayu's are > there? . what is their taratamyas? > ( According to my knowledge, Vayu, The jeevothama> is next to Vishnu > Lakshmi and Brahma in taratamya).> Regards,> Venkatram> > >

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Dear Bheemasena Rao,

 

Sri Brahma devaru, Sri vAyu devaru and all rujus come

in 3rd postion. There is no difference in Strength or

Knowledge among all Rujus but they are separate jeevas

and all Rujus are Jeevothammas. In the position of

vAyu, in that particular kalpa, the Ruju devatha does

sadhana of 199th kalpa and moves to Sri Brahma postion

in the 200th Kalpa and gets moksha.

 

Hope this clarifies.

 

Regards,

Bala Krishna

--- Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN

<bheemasenarao_y wrote:

> Hi Raghavendra Rao ,

> Please Note :

>

> Pravaha Vayu comes in 11 th position before Yama in

> Taratamya.

>

> Vayu Jeevothama is Mukhya Prana who comes in 4 th

> position in Taratamya.

> Vayu Jeevothama name is self explanatory that he is

> having full control over Jeeva.

> So is the breathing of Jeeva is in his hand.

>

> Regards

> Bheemasena Rao.Y

> -

> Raghavendra Rao

> Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN ;

> Wednesday,

> May 07, 2003 11:56 AM

> Re: Vayu -The

> Jeevothama and Vayu, reporting to Indra

>

>

> Just need one more clarification-

> Is Vajy jeevothamma the god of wind or is it

> Pravaha

> Vayu ?

>

> -Raghu

> --- Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN

> <bheemasenarao_y wrote:

> > Hi arvachar,

> > Vayu who reports to Indra is called as Pravaha

> Vayu.

> > He is again controlled very much by indra.

> > And Vayu Jeevothama is in 'Q' to the Brahma's

> > Position.

> > And Ruju Ganastharu are in 'Q' to Vayu

> Jeevothams's

> > Position..

> > For example VadiRajara Gurugalu comes in Ruju

> > Ganastharu.

> >

> > Regards

> > Bheemasena Rao.Y

> > -

> > arvachar

> >

> > Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:03 AM

> > Vayu -The

> Jeevothama

> > and Vayu, reporting to Indra

> >

> >

> > Namaskara,

> > How many Vayu's are there?

> > Vayu The jeevothama and the Vayu, Reporting to

> > Indra , I feel both

> > are different . If that is the case,then how

> many

> > such vayu's are

> > there? . what is their taratamyas?

> > ( According to my knowledge, Vayu, The

> jeevothama

> > is next to Vishnu

> > Lakshmi and Brahma in taratamya).

> > Regards,

> > Venkatram

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> arvachar [pvram]

> Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:03 AM

>

> Vayu -The Jeevothama and Vayu, reporting

 

> to Indra

>

>

> Namaskara,

> How many Vayu's are there?

> Vayu The jeevothama and the Vayu, Reporting to Indra , I feel both are

> different . If that is the case,then how many such vayu's are there? .

 

> what is their taratamyas? ( According to my knowledge, Vayu, The

> jeevothama is next to Vishnu Lakshmi and Brahma in taratamya).

 

The question has already been answered crisply by Sri Bhimasena Rao and

others. Here're a couple of more points regarding our vAyudevaru:

 

Sri Mukhyaprana, who is so highly placed in the tAratamya, whose grace

is a prerequisite for obtaining correct knowledge and grace of Hari is

impossible, who is never tainted by ignorance or wrong knowledge, is

practically unknown to people outside the Acharya's tradition.

 

Even a cursory glance at the Upanishads (rather, Sri K.T.Pandurangi's

'Principal Upanishads') makes it clear that the Upanishads hold Sri

Mukhyaprana in such a high place. Here're some references:

 

A. Chandogya Upanishat: 1.2.1: None of the abhimAni devatAs are able to

counter asura-Avesha. But when it comes to Prana devaru, the asuras

crumble like a ball of sand hurled at a stone. Here the Upanishat says:

ya evAyaM mukhyaH prANa |

 

B. Chandogya Upanishat 5.1.1. All the abhimAni devatas leave Prajapati's

body, which would still remain active due to presence of 'Prana'. When

Prana starts leaving the body, other devatAs are pulled along, just like

a horse pulls along the pegs. The abhimAni devatAs accept their

dependence on the prANa and then say: tvaM naH shreShTho.asi |

 

There is a similar incident in Brihadaranyaka as well. The

Brihadaranyaka (BU) says that all lokas and beings are interwoven by

Vayu (thus making it clear that Vayu is same as mukhyaprANa): vAyunA vai

gautama sUtreNAyaM cha lokaH parashcha lokaH sarvANi cha bhUtAni

saMdR^ibdhAni bhavanti |

 

The BU also says that only Lakshmi and Vayu are untouched by sin:

tadetanmUrtaM yadanyad vAyoshcha antarikshAchchaitanmartyam | There are

actually too many places in BU (and in other upanishads) where Vayudeva

is praised as the best.

 

Why should this vAyu be different from pravAha vAyu? What is the need to

consider or postulate that Mukhya prANa is a Being, different from

pravAha vAyu and not just another name of the latter? That is because,

in the incidents mentioned above, pravAha vAyu is one of the abhimAni

devatAs. In the first case, his leaving the body, unlike in the case of

Prana, does not cause it to fall. In the second case, he is shown to be

subject to Asuric influence. Both incidents depict pravAha-vAyu as

fallible, while the vAyu in Brihadaranyaka is infallible.

Creation-theories, where vAyu is said to be born of prANa, also prove

the point that mukhya prANa is different from pravAhika vAyu. Pravaha

vAyu is inferior to Indra (refer to Kenopanishat), while MukhyaprANa is

superior.

 

It cannot be even that this prANa is same as Brahman. In the second

incident, the Prana is said to do udgIthopAsana (why should Brahman do

that?), thereby ruling out that possibility. The Shatprashnopanishad

also proves this point: This prANa is the variShTha of them all and is

the basis of other abhimAni devatAs. This Upanishad also talks of 'rayi'

(Bharati devi).

 

For some reason, every other party seems to miss such an important diety

(and Bharati devi), of whom the Taittariya says: namaste vAyo tvameva

pratyakshaM brahmA.asi? I looked into the translations of Upanishads by

monks of Ramakrishna mission; the word 'prANa/mukhya prANa' is

invariably translated to 'vital force'. But how could they miss noting

that it was not any inanimate force, but an important deity who controls

the other devatas?

 

Call it their bad luck or whatever, it seems other traditions assume

that the being referred as 'Prana' is same as Vayu (they have only

pravAhika vAyu in mind) or Hiranyagarbha depending on the context

(mostly). I haven't seen any advaitic or vishiShTadvaitic text to verify

this, but this is stated in a book called 'vAyu-paratva-samarthanaM' and

well countered also.

 

This book was recently released in Bangalore. It has a Kannada

translation running along. The author of the book is shrI kAshI

timmaNNAchArya (lived in around 17-18 century). He deals with 11 exalted

attributes of Sri Vayudevaru and shows contradictions if one does not

accept Mukhyaprana. The conclusion of the book is simple: Anyone

professing to be loyal to shruti must accept vAyu-paratva.

 

prANasyedaM vashe sarvaM tridive yat.h pratiShThitam.h |

mAteva putrAn.h rakshasva shrIshcha praGYAM cha vidhehi na iti ||

Shatprashnopanishat. 2.13

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

> Regards,

> Venkatram

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Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN

Dear Sir,

I gave u an evidence from which we can say

that Vadirajaru is not Ruju. Because Rujugalu always

have their Swaroopa Jnana. Ruju means Parishudda.

when they didn't have any Doshas in themself then why

did Sri Vadirajaru mentioned like this in their

Granthas?

1. Dharmatattvagalalli Samshaya

Asmadeeya manodoshat kvachit kinchinyunatve...

 

Vidyadaaridrya Doshena

 

Vedaaham kathanchana .... etc.

 

with all these Pramanas we can't tell that Sri

Vadirajaru is in the list of Ruju Ganastharu.

 

J Raghavendracharya

 

 

 

<bheemasenarao_y wrote: > I know

there are a lot of points which says abt

> that he comes under

> RujuGanastharu.

>

> But if you visit sonda , the architecture built is

> same as Vikunta it seems.

> So I can say its one among them.

> And 12 years Vadirajaru worshiped Lord Venkateswara

> in Thirumala , its said

> that he was seeing Lord personally when Ekantha puja

> was happening.

>

> And a lot

>

> Regards

> Bheemasena Rao y

>

>

> -

> " Raghavendra Jayamangal " <rjayam

> " Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN "

> <bheemasenarao_y

> Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:28 AM

> Re: Vayu -The

> Jeevothama and Vayu, reporting

> to Indra

>

>

> > To, Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN

> >

> > do u have any Pramana (Shruti, or Smruti or his

> own

> > words) to say that Vadirajaru comes in the list of

> > RujuGanastharu.

> >

> > J Raghavendracharya

> >

> >

> >

> > <bheemasenarao_y wrote: > Hi

> > arvachar,

> > > Vayu who reports to Indra is called as Pravaha

> Vayu.

> > > He is again controlled very much by indra.

> > > And Vayu Jeevothama is in 'Q' to the Brahma's

> > > Position.

> > > And Ruju Ganastharu are in 'Q' to Vayu

> Jeevothams's

> > > Position..

> > > For example VadiRajara Gurugalu comes in Ruju

> > > Ganastharu.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Bheemasena Rao.Y

> > > -

> > > arvachar

> > >

> > > Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:03 AM

> > > Vayu -The

> Jeevothama

> > > and Vayu, reporting to Indra

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaskara,

> > > How many Vayu's are there?

> > > Vayu The jeevothama and the Vayu, Reporting to

> > > Indra , I feel both

> > > are different . If that is the case,then how

> many

> > > such vayu's are

> > > there? . what is their taratamyas?

> > > ( According to my knowledge, Vayu, The

> jeevothama

> > > is next to Vishnu

> > > Lakshmi and Brahma in taratamya).

> > > Regards,

> > > Venkatram

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Raghavendracharya,

 

We are all very very very small compared to the dasanu dasa's of Shri Hari

Vayu gurugalu, Shri Vadirajaru and all our Yathi's of our Great parampara.

We don't even posses a billionth of Yogyatha compared to even the millionth of

dasanu dasas of Shri Hari, Vayu or Shri Rajaru.

 

That being the case, let us only try to pray the lord to give us the great Gnana

Bhakthi to attain his feet and the parishudda Gnana. With our limited knowledge

and

time, lets not try to indulge in such discussion and this is my very humble

request.

 

Regards

Sheshagiri

 

Reply to Raghavendra Jayamangal on Sun, May 25, 2003 at 02:08:58PM +0100:

> Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN

> Dear Sir,

> I gave u an evidence from which we can say

> that Vadirajaru is not Ruju. Because Rujugalu always

> have their Swaroopa Jnana. Ruju means Parishudda.

> when they didn't have any Doshas in themself then why

> did Sri Vadirajaru mentioned like this in their

> Granthas?

> 1. Dharmatattvagalalli Samshaya

> Asmadeeya manodoshat kvachit kinchinyunatve...

>

> Vidyadaaridrya Doshena

>

> Vedaaham kathanchana .... etc.

>

> with all these Pramanas we can't tell that Sri

> Vadirajaru is in the list of Ruju Ganastharu.

>

> J Raghavendracharya

>

>

>

> <bheemasenarao_y wrote: > I know

> there are a lot of points which says abt

> > that he comes under

> > RujuGanastharu.

> >

> > But if you visit sonda , the architecture built is

> > same as Vikunta it seems.

> > So I can say its one among them.

> > And 12 years Vadirajaru worshiped Lord Venkateswara

> > in Thirumala , its said

> > that he was seeing Lord personally when Ekantha puja

> > was happening.

> >

> > And a lot

> >

> > Regards

> > Bheemasena Rao y

> >

> >

> > -

> > " Raghavendra Jayamangal " <rjayam

> > " Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN "

> > <bheemasenarao_y

> > Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:28 AM

> > Re: Vayu -The

> > Jeevothama and Vayu, reporting

> > to Indra

> >

> >

> > > To, Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN

> > >

> > > do u have any Pramana (Shruti, or Smruti or his

> > own

> > > words) to say that Vadirajaru comes in the list of

> > > RujuGanastharu.

> > >

> > > J Raghavendracharya

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > <bheemasenarao_y wrote: > Hi

> > > arvachar,

> > > > Vayu who reports to Indra is called as Pravaha

> > Vayu.

> > > > He is again controlled very much by indra.

> > > > And Vayu Jeevothama is in 'Q' to the Brahma's

> > > > Position.

> > > > And Ruju Ganastharu are in 'Q' to Vayu

> > Jeevothams's

> > > > Position..

> > > > For example VadiRajara Gurugalu comes in Ruju

> > > > Ganastharu.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Bheemasena Rao.Y

> > > > -

> > > > arvachar

> > > >

> > > > Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:03 AM

> > > > Vayu -The

> > Jeevothama

> > > > and Vayu, reporting to Indra

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namaskara,

> > > > How many Vayu's are there?

> > > > Vayu The jeevothama and the Vayu, Reporting to

> > > > Indra , I feel both

> > > > are different . If that is the case,then how

> > many

> > > > such vayu's are

> > > > there? . what is their taratamyas?

> > > > ( According to my knowledge, Vayu, The

> > jeevothama

> > > > is next to Vishnu

> > > > Lakshmi and Brahma in taratamya).

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Venkatram

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I very much agree Mr.Sheshagiri.

 

We dont have any knowledge of our self .

we should beg Shri Hari, Vayu or Shri Rajaru to give us proper knowledge as well as swaroopa gnana. Lets try to gain knowledge instead of going towards andhanthamas.

 

Regards

Bheemasena Rao.Y

 

-

Sheshagiri Rao

Raghavendra Jayamangal

Cc: Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN ;

Sunday, May 25, 2003 9:39 PM

Re: Vayu -The Jeevothama and Vayu, reporting to Indra

Dear Shri Raghavendracharya, We are all very very very small compared to the dasanu dasa's of Shri HariVayu gurugalu, Shri Vadirajaru and all our Yathi's of our Great parampara.We don't even posses a billionth of Yogyatha compared to even the millionth ofdasanu dasas of Shri Hari, Vayu or Shri Rajaru.That being the case, let us only try to pray the lord to give us the great Gnana Bhakthi to attain his feet and the parishudda Gnana. With our limited knowledge and time, lets not try to indulge in such discussion and this is my very humble request.RegardsSheshagiriReply to Raghavendra Jayamangal on Sun, May 25, 2003 at 02:08:58PM +0100:> Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN > Dear Sir,> I gave u an evidence from which we can say> that Vadirajaru is not Ruju. Because Rujugalu always> have their Swaroopa Jnana. Ruju means Parishudda.> when they didn't have any Doshas in themself then why> did Sri Vadirajaru mentioned like this in their> Granthas? > 1. Dharmatattvagalalli Samshaya> Asmadeeya manodoshat kvachit kinchinyunatve...> > Vidyadaaridrya Doshena> > Vedaaham kathanchana .... etc.> > with all these Pramanas we can't tell that Sri> Vadirajaru is in the list of Ruju Ganastharu.> > J Raghavendracharya> > > > <bheemasenarao_y wrote: > I know> there are a lot of points which says abt> > that he comes under> > RujuGanastharu.> > > > But if you visit sonda , the architecture built is> > same as Vikunta it seems.> > So I can say its one among them.> > And 12 years Vadirajaru worshiped Lord Venkateswara> > in Thirumala , its said> > that he was seeing Lord personally when Ekantha puja> > was happening.> > > > And a lot> > > > Regards> > Bheemasena Rao y> > > > > > -> > "Raghavendra Jayamangal" <rjayam> > "Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN"> > <bheemasenarao_y> > Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:28 AM> > Re: Vayu -The> > Jeevothama and Vayu, reporting> > to Indra> > > > > > > To, Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN> > >> > > do u have any Pramana (Shruti, or Smruti or his> > own> > > words) to say that Vadirajaru comes in the list of> > > RujuGanastharu.> > >> > > J Raghavendracharya> > >> > >> > >> > > <bheemasenarao_y wrote: > Hi> > > arvachar,> > > > Vayu who reports to Indra is called as Pravaha> > Vayu.> > > > He is again controlled very much by indra.> > > > And Vayu Jeevothama is in 'Q' to the Brahma's> > > > Position.> > > > And Ruju Ganastharu are in 'Q' to Vayu> > Jeevothams's> > > > Position..> > > > For example VadiRajara Gurugalu comes in Ruju> > > > Ganastharu.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Bheemasena Rao.Y> > > > -> > > > arvachar> > > > > > > > Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:03 AM> > > > Vayu -The> > Jeevothama> > > > and Vayu, reporting to Indra> > > >> > > >> > > > Namaskara,> > > > How many Vayu's are there?> > > > Vayu The jeevothama and the Vayu, Reporting to> > > > Indra , I feel both> > > > are different . If that is the case,then how> > many> > > > such vayu's are> > > > there? . what is their taratamyas?> > > > ( According to my knowledge, Vayu, The> > jeevothama> > > > is next to Vishnu> > > > Lakshmi and Brahma in taratamya).> > > > Regards,> > > > Venkatram> > > >> > > >> > > >

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Dear Sri Raghavendracharya,

 

> when they didn't have any Doshas in themself then why

> did Sri Vadirajaru mentioned like this in their Granthas?

 

If this were to be your argument for saying that Sri Vadiraja is not a

R^ijudevatA, what would be your estimate of Chaturmukha Brahma who, in

jitante stotra, says that he is afraid, that he has done many sins etc?

 

On similar lines, would you not study nyAyasudhA just because its

author, in the first set of verses, claims that he is not adept at logic

and at scriptures?

 

If you are willing to give up the direct meaning in the above instances,

noting that these scholars have written on such lines, either to

instruct the value of humility or to demonstrate how a mediocre person

like oneself should pray to the Lord, why don't you do the same thing in

case of works of Sri Vadiraja too? Thus, Sri Vadiraja's narration on

such lines cannot be a reason by itself to claim that he is not a R^iju.

 

I don't know how people who believe that he is a R^iju do so. If the

words of dasas are a pramANa to you, you might refer to some suLAdis of

Sri Vijaya dasaru, that equate a person who does not believe in Sri

Vadiraja's R^ijutva to a brahmarAkshasa. You might look into

www.vijayadasaru.net for more details.

 

All in all, it is extremely difficult to decide anybody's svarUpa,

except Srimad AnandatIrtha's. There are Sri Vedavyasa's words to the

effect that our master is the incarnation of Mukhyaprana.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

>

> Raghavendra Jayamangal [rjayam]

> Sunday, May 25, 2003 6:39 PM

> Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN

> Cc:

> Re: Vayu -The Jeevothama and

> Vayu, reporting to Indra

>

>

> Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN

> Dear Sir,

> I gave u an evidence from which we can say

> that Vadirajaru is not Ruju. Because Rujugalu always

> have their Swaroopa Jnana. Ruju means Parishudda.

> when they didn't have any Doshas in themself then why

> did Sri Vadirajaru mentioned like this in their

> Granthas?

> 1. Dharmatattvagalalli Samshaya

> Asmadeeya manodoshat kvachit kinchinyunatve...

>

> Vidyadaaridrya Doshena

>

> Vedaaham kathanchana .... etc.

>

> with all these Pramanas we can't tell that Sri

> Vadirajaru is in the list of Ruju Ganastharu.

>

> J Raghavendracharya

>

>

>

> <bheemasenarao_y wrote: > I know

> there are a lot of points which says abt

> > that he comes under

> > RujuGanastharu.

> >

> > But if you visit sonda , the architecture built is

> > same as Vikunta it seems.

> > So I can say its one among them.

> > And 12 years Vadirajaru worshiped Lord Venkateswara

> > in Thirumala , its said

> > that he was seeing Lord personally when Ekantha puja

> > was happening.

> >

> > And a lot

> >

> > Regards

> > Bheemasena Rao y

> >

> >

> > -

> > " Raghavendra Jayamangal " <rjayam

> > " Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN " <bheemasenarao_y

> > Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:28 AM

> > Re: Vayu -The

> > Jeevothama and Vayu, reporting

> > to Indra

> >

> >

> > > To, Bheemasena Rao Y - SPAN

> > >

> > > do u have any Pramana (Shruti, or Smruti or his

> > own

> > > words) to say that Vadirajaru comes in the list of RujuGanastharu.

> > >

> > > J Raghavendracharya

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > <bheemasenarao_y wrote: > Hi

> > > arvachar,

> > > > Vayu who reports to Indra is called as Pravaha

> > Vayu.

> > > > He is again controlled very much by indra.

> > > > And Vayu Jeevothama is in 'Q' to the Brahma's

> > > > Position.

> > > > And Ruju Ganastharu are in 'Q' to Vayu

> > Jeevothams's

> > > > Position..

> > > > For example VadiRajara Gurugalu comes in Ruju Ganastharu.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Bheemasena Rao.Y

> > > > -

> > > > arvachar

> > > >

> > > > Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:03 AM

> > > > Vayu -The

> > Jeevothama

> > > > and Vayu, reporting to Indra

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namaskara,

> > > > How many Vayu's are there?

> > > > Vayu The jeevothama and the Vayu, Reporting to

> > > > Indra , I feel both

> > > > are different . If that is the case,then how

> > many

> > > > such vayu's are

> > > > there? . what is their taratamyas?

> > > > ( According to my knowledge, Vayu, The

> > jeevothama

> > > > is next to Vishnu

> > > > Lakshmi and Brahma in taratamya).

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Venkatram

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

On Monday, May 26, 2003 " Krishna K " <kadirik wrote:

 

> Dear Sri Raghavendracharya,

>

> > when they didn't have any Doshas in themself then why

> > did Sri Vadirajaru mentioned like this in their Granthas?

>

> If this were to be your argument for saying that Sri Vadiraja is not a

> R^ijudevatA, what would be your estimate of Chaturmukha Brahma who, in

> jitante stotra, says that he is afraid, that he has done many sins etc?

 

Also note:

 

Our Acharya in his tattva-saN^khyAna, says that except ShrI, all

the chetana-s are " dukhAs-sprashhta " -- i.e., at some point of time

have experienced dukha/sorrow.

 

re dosha-s, even Laxmi who is higher than the 'four headed'

Brahma suffers from nAsha.

 

Only Lord Hari is nirdoshha -- " sarvadoshha vivarjita " and is

the only one not having the four nAsha-s:

 

Commenting on Gita 2.17, Acharya, in his Gita-tAtparya # 2.17,

quotes mahA-varAha purANa and parama-shruti to say:

 

" anityatvaM dehahAnirduHkhaprAptirapUrNata

nAshashchaturvidhaH proktaH tadabhAvo hareH sadA

tadanyeShAM tu sarveShAM nAshAH kechidbhavanti hi || "

 

The four nAsha-s being:

 

1. anityatva [svarUpa-nAsha]*

2. deha-nAsha

3. dukha/sorrow [at some point]

4. apUrNata/incompleteness

 

These nAsha-s are absent in Shri Hari, whereas it is present in

everyone in some way or the other.

 

Laxmi has only the last one whereas we have all the above except

the first one.

 

* also see:

http://www.dvaita.org/list/list_34/msg00106.html

 

password and ID: dvaita

 

> All in all, it is extremely difficult to decide anybody's svarUpa,

> except Srimad AnandatIrtha's.

 

Our Acharya has mentioned quite a few in his MBTN [mostly those in

Ramayana and Mahabharata]. I think there are works/compositions by

our dAsa-s which throw more light on this.

 

As for the tAratamya of the 33 main 'deva-s', our Acharya has explained

it in great detail in his comm. on the shAkalya brAhmaNa, BR^ihadAranyaka

Upanishat, 3.9.1-9.

 

 

Regards,

 

Meera

 

> Krishna