Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 - " Prasanna Tadipatri " <meerakesav " sripathi_k_s " <sripathi_k_s Saturday, August 02, 2003 2:40 PM Re: Is Srihari impartial? > > - > " sripathi_k_s " <sripathi_k_s > > Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:43 AM > Is Srihari impartial? > > > > Dear Haribhaktas, > > > > " Is SriHari Impartial? Does he see all the creatures he created as > > one and the same? " . > > Since Sri Hari is sarvadosha vivarjita, he is not partial to any soul nor > despises any soul. However each soul is made to act based on its inherent > nature. A soul that is intrinsically satvic will perform punya, and be > rewarded. A soul that is intrinsically tamasic will perform paapa, and be > punished [it's a bit more complicated, because sometimes good souls perform bad > deeds--Karna, for example--there could be **outside** factors. Karna was > influenced by people like Duryodhana, and thus committed bad deeds] > > 2 things to bear in mind: > 1)Souls are anaadi, beginningless, they are not created, and are intrinsically > satvic/tamasic/rajasic. > " **anaadi** maayayaa supto yadaa jIva prabudhyate.. " > " trividhaa bhavati shraddha dehinaam saa **svabhaavaja**.. " > > 2)Though Narayana is karmaphaladaatr, he who rewards/punishes based on each > soul's karma, he is not responsible for the **intrinsic** nature of each soul, > and simply makes each jIva act based on **its** nature, and then gives it what > it has earned. > > " Ishaavaasyamidam sarvam yatkinca jagatyaam jagat > **tena tyaktena bhunjitha** maa grdha kasyasviddhanam " > > > > I may not have framed the sentences which follow properly. There are > > some instances which has made me to get proper understanding. > > Take the first instance of Kanakadasaru. Srihari asked him to become > > his disciple for a long time. Then in the battlefield when kanakadasa > > was lying alone, Srihari said if kanakadasa would become his disciple > > then he would bring an end to all his sufferings. This makes us feel > > that Srihari wanted only kanakadasa to become his disciple. Why? > > When we look at this, we should see that there is a gradation among souls > [ " nicoccha bhaavam gataaH " ]. Sri Hari did not create this gradation, since the > basis lies in the very nature of each soul. But then can we say that this > taratamya exists because of Narayana? Yes, absolutely! Each and every single > soul always exists because of Narayana. Just the way a body cannot function > without a soul, we cannot exist, if Narayana doesn't exist within us **making** > us exist. > > So, once we have this concept of souls not being created by Sri Hari (and thus > Sri Hari is not partial, because he does not create some better than others). > Some souls which are superior to other souls do more noble deeds and achieve > higher rewards. If we were to achieve the status of Kanakadasa then we too > would get the same reward (however, that's a really high goal!) > > > The second instance of purandaradasa is also the same. Srihari made > > purandara dasa his devotee. > > Then again, Ajamila was a sinner. He said " Narayana " during his death > > bed, god rescued him and took him to heaven. Why only him? > > Each individual has done different deeds in its past lives. Those particular > souls (Purandara Dasa & Ajamila) have achieved such a great status because of > their deeds. Even though Ajamila had committed bad deeds (I'm not sure exactly > what?), perhaps that one act of saying Narayana's name with devotion freed him > from paapa and Narayana gave him Moksha. Now since that doesn't happen to > people like us, we must understand that these people are far superior to us > (and of course, we each have to experience our own past karma, and then do > sadhana for Moksha) > > Perhaps someone else can better explain this? > > > > > One more question that arises here is SriHari is the supreme being. > > Then why cannot he create this universe with all good people in it. > > Srihari is such a supreme being that if he imagines a world , the the > > world will be created. Why does he put both good and bad into > > people's minds? > > Yes, this is a question that has been asked world over--why doesn't God just > create good? Remember what's unique in Vedantic philosophy--the > beginninglessness of souls. He doesn't create evil souls, he doesn't create > good souls (see the argument above as to how all 3 types of souls exist because > of God). He creates the universe so that souls can work out their destiny > whatever it may be > " urdhvam gaccanti sattvastha madhye tishtanti raajasaH > jaghanya guNa vrttastha adho gacchanti tamasaH " > The sattvic achieve moksha, eventually, rajasic eventually stay in Samsara > forever, tamasic go to Andhamtamas. > > Sri Hari puts good & bad into people's minds based on the nature of the soul, > as well as its past karma. A sattvic soul will typically be made to do sattvic > deeds [but as mentioned earlier it's more complex--because sometimes even good > people do bad deeds--the cause is Karma]. So do you see how it's not > partiality--Sri Hari simply gives to each soul based on its nature and what it > has earned. > > > Dear haribhaktas, I intend to get more knowledge into these matters > > and I am not a rebellion against Srihari and madhva philosophy. All > > you knowledgeable persons please tell me why Srihari is impartial? > > Why hasnt he created the world with only good people in it? > > This is not rebellion--it's jignasaa jnaatum iccha=jignaasa, a desire to know, > that is essential in any study of philosophy. A lot of the topics are complex, > but at least for me, looking at the different concepts, seeing how they fit > together it makes sense--the main point above is that Sri Hari is not partial > since the souls which have existed since time immemorial are each made to act > based on their unique nature, then they each reap the rewards of their actions. > > > Regards, > Prasanna > > > > > Sri Srinivasaya namaha. > > > > inthi, > > Sripathi > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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