regarding the birth details of madhvacharya

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dear friends,

madhvacharya,who is mukhyapranavathara and bavishyath brahma

was born in madhyagehabhtta is ayaonija, like brahma and is said that

when he was born he drived the soul out of the body and entered the

body and when he left the world, he disappeared while doing

pravachana with the body and more over he is sarva jeeva sarva karma

karthra and preraka under the prerana of srihari and so he can even

dictate the navagrahas,so I wonder how you can make a janmakundali

where the grahas dictate the jeeva, as he is beyond the influence of

navagrahas.It is just like you try to make a janmakundali for

krishna. and then keshava rao said that the moha for brahma is for

loka vidambana and is just for ardha kshana.this ardha kshana is for

brahma or for jeevas?if it is for brahma even that ardha kshana will

be thousands of human years.and i just wonder what happhen to the

srishti he made during the moha period or should we assume that he

stopped creation during that moha period and i know brahma has a boon

from vishnu that he wont have any asura or kali's influence.so if the

srishti went wrong during the moha period,what would it be?or if you

assume that srishti went on right that means lord hari's maya did not

work.so any body please clear my doubts, thanking you

Hanumantharao

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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:22:04 -0000, taddad84 <hanumantharao1 wrote:

 

> krishna. and then keshava rao said that the moha for brahma is for

> loka vidambana and is just for ardha kshana.this ardha kshana is for

> brahma or for jeevas?

 

Since the Upanishad talks of creation AFTER this incident of fear for

xaNArdha, it is not possible that the creation happened DURING that

xaNArdha. Thus, it must be the xaNArdha as conceived by humans.

 

Regards,

Krishna

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Did Madhvacharya really disappear??...Have heard in one of the pravachanas, that Madhvacharya did not disappear while doing pravachana. Seems that it’s mentioned in Sumadhvavijaya that there was pushpavristi by devatas on Madhvacharya while he was doing Pravachana (he did not disappear there) but one final day, Acharya left for Badri and never came back. Seems that Madhvacharya disappearing while doing pravachana was an interpolation.

 

I believe in what the scholar or the pravachanakara said because he does a lot of research, refers to many authentic and old texts before making such statements.

 

ThanksLakshmitaddad84 <hanumantharao1 wrote:

dear friends, madhvacharya,who is mukhyapranavathara and bavishyath brahma was born in madhyagehabhtta is ayaonija, like brahma and is said that when he was born he drived the soul out of the body and entered the body and when he left the world, he disappeared while doing pravachana with the body and more over he is sarva jeeva sarva karma karthra and preraka under the prerana of srihari and so he can even dictate the navagrahas,so I wonder how you can make a janmakundali where the grahas dictate the jeeva, as he is beyond the influence of navagrahas.It is just like you try to make a janmakundali for krishna. and then keshava rao said that the moha for brahma is for loka vidambana and is just for ardha kshana.this ardha kshana is for brahma or for jeevas?if it is for brahma even

that ardha kshana will be thousands of human years.and i just wonder what happhen to the srishti he made during the moha period or should we assume that he stopped creation during that moha period and i know brahma has a boon from vishnu that he wont have any asura or kali's influence.so if the srishti went wrong during the moha period,what would it be?or if you assume that srishti went on right that means lord hari's maya did not work.so any body please clear my doubts, thanking you HanumantharaonAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h|taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa|tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH

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taddad84 wrote on March 15, 2005 :

 

> keshava rao said that the moha for brahma is for

> loka vidambana and is just for ardha kshana.this ardha kshana is for

> brahma or for jeevas?

 

This is " aupachArika " (or symbolic only) meaning just to indicate

that it is a small fraction of time. What is the pramANa? For this

kind of things, the context is pramANa. Acharya is saying this to

emphasize how insignificant it is. If it is for a long time and then

the whole context loses its purpose.

 

> if it is for brahma even that ardha kshana will

> be thousands of human years.

 

Rest asured, it is for a very small fraction of time. We can't even

gauge how small a duration it is. We may try to bring in dictionary

meaning, but we should be cautioned about it.

 

> and i just wonder what happhen to the

> srishti he made during the moha period or should we assume that he

> stopped creation during that moha period

 

First of all, like a machine Brahma did not start sRishhTi as soon as

he came into creation. He did tapas for many years before starting

the creation.

 

> and i know brahma has a boon

> from vishnu that he wont have any asura or kali's influence.

 

It is all the R^ijus, who don't have kali influence. Note

the episode of " AkhanAshma " when the asuras try to influence

MukhyaprANa.

 

> so if the srishti went wrong during the moha period

 

Totally out of question.

 

> if you assume that srishti went on right that means lord

> hari's maya did not work.

 

Hari's mAya is nothing but Hari's ichchha. His ichchha is

definitely not to make the sR^ishhTi wrong. It is the Lord

Who does the sR^ishhTi by His " Brahma " form inside Chaturmukha

Brahma.

 

Regards,

Kesava Rao

 

> Hanumantharao