Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Dear Haribhaktas, Due regards to all the learned people in the group. The objective of this group should be to bring all the madhvas into a learning fold. I am assuming that a lot of youngsters like me are joining this group. Complex questions and answers shall not help in providing encouragement to them. We do not have the karma, yogyate, etc to partake of your understanding. Srimadhacharya has commanded that one should not blindly believe his teachings without applying logic to it. This process needs to be simplified so that everyone can share and understand the deeper aspects of the philosophy. I believe that all of you are so knowledgeable that you can churn out very good explanations for us youngsters to understand. Further, as regards the Brahma and Vayu devaru discussion, I understand from various references that their "rijugunatva" is not the sole scale of measurement. Vishnubhakti is of prime importance and this attribute of theirs cannot be gauged by anybody but Vishnu. All of their prowess is attributed completely to this. Further, Brahma and Vayu cannot exist independent of each other. References to the above suggestion are invited. Thanks and Warm regards, B.S.Santosh Prasad. - Kesava Rao Wednesday, March 16, 2005 12:50 PM Re: regarding the birth details of madhvacharya taddad84 wrote on March 15, 2005 :> keshava rao said that the moha for brahma is for> loka vidambana and is just for ardha kshana.this ardha kshana is for> brahma or for jeevas?This is "aupachArika" (or symbolic only) meaning just to indicatethat it is a small fraction of time. What is the pramANa? For thiskind of things, the context is pramANa. Acharya is saying this toemphasize how insignificant it is. If it is for a long time and thenthe whole context loses its purpose.> if it is for brahma even that ardha kshana will> be thousands of human years.Rest asured, it is for a very small fraction of time. We can't evengauge how small a duration it is. We may try to bring in dictionarymeaning, but we should be cautioned about it.> and i just wonder what happhen to the> srishti he made during the moha period or should we assume that he> stopped creation during that moha periodFirst of all, like a machine Brahma did not start sRishhTi as soon ashe came into creation. He did tapas for many years before startingthe creation.> and i know brahma has a boon> from vishnu that he wont have any asura or kali's influence.It is all the R^ijus, who don't have kali influence. Notethe episode of "AkhanAshma" when the asuras try to influenceMukhyaprANa.> so if the srishti went wrong during the moha periodTotally out of question.> if you assume that srishti went on right that means lord> hari's maya did not work.Hari's mAya is nothing but Hari's ichchha. His ichchha isdefinitely not to make the sR^ishhTi wrong. It is the LordWho does the sR^ishhTi by His "Brahma" form inside ChaturmukhaBrahma.Regards,Kesava Rao> HanumantharaonAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h|taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa|tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH |karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA ||"I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace" If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya --To send an empty E-mail (without subject and body info.) to - --Visit VMS at http://www.madhva.orgView the latest events in the US by selecting the 'Events' link-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 When the topic is complex, the explanation will also be complex. It is impossible to explain complex analysis at 1st grade level. There will not be any objection when mails with job advertisement or business announcements or any other non-philosophy related matter is posted; but when a deep philosophical discussion takes place, sudden protests pop up. With due consideration to the unwilling readers, who are not receptive to the deeper concepts, and to relieve them from the agony of reading the mails with deep philosophical discussion, I suggest that we move the discussion to VMS philosophy and even there, I will just give one final response instead of carrying on the thread for ever. Regards, Kesava Rao - B.S.Santosh Prasad Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:08 PM Complex explanations? Dear Haribhaktas, Due regards to all the learned people in the group. The objective of this group should be to bring all the madhvas into a learning fold. I am assuming that a lot of youngsters like me are joining this group. Complex questions and answers shall not help in providing encouragement to them. We do not have the karma, yogyate, etc to partake of your understanding. Srimadhacharya has commanded that one should not blindly believe his teachings without applying logic to it. This process needs to be simplified so that everyone can share and understand the deeper aspects of the philosophy. I believe that all of you are so knowledgeable that you can churn out very good explanations for us youngsters to understand. Further, as regards the Brahma and Vayu devaru discussion, I understand from various references that their "rijugunatva" is not the sole scale of measurement. Vishnubhakti is of prime importance and this attribute of theirs cannot be gauged by anybody but Vishnu. All of their prowess is attributed completely to this. Further, Brahma and Vayu cannot exist independent of each other. References to the above suggestion are invited. Thanks and Warm regards, B.S.Santosh Prasad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 Dear Haribhaktas of this forum, Even some of us may not have "Yogyatha' to participate in the discussions , but that doesnot constraint any one from reading the discussions and grasp Yatha shakti. Learned people like Sri Keshavarao spends lot of time for drafting replies. and we are all blessed by Lord and sri madhacharya to have learned people who are egerly helping people with doubts and questions and even if any one reads these mails for "Time-Pass" may get some knowledge. What is not complex in this world??? job is complex, living itself is complex.Doing Sandhyavandana and DevarapuJe is complex. Even "Bhojana" is also complex. If one wants to take HarinaivEdhya one has to forgo abandoned Vegetables, even that is also complex. Easiest way is don't do naivedhya. bahucitrajagat bahudakaraNa....................................... Are we not living in this complex world?? Nothing comes "PUKKAT" in this world. Even for Lord's prasada one has to do Sadhana for many many janmas. Such being the case,Cock and Bull reasons of I don't know Sanskrit, I can not understand Complex discussions, Complex explanations are Childish excuses. There may be Some Short-Cuts for some things in this world NOT for "Madhva Shastra". One has to Strive hard to know the intricacies of Shastra and that comes only if one has "Shradda-bhakti", Shraddavan labhate jnanam.............(Gita) Instead if one says: I cannot understand Shastra so don't discuss!! is akin to Cutting Nose if one is suffering from Running Nose. If some members feel that they want to live with god-given gift of " Ignorance" for ever , let them, I request Sri Keshavarao and Sri Krishna and Sri Prasanna to move the discussions to dedicated forums like dvaita and let this forum be dedicated to discussing USELESS Things. I hope this mail of mine is NOT Complex and donot need any Commentaries. namaskara Madhusudan Bheemasenarao Kesava Rao wrote: When the topic is complex, the explanation will also be complex. It is impossible to explain complex analysis at 1st grade level. There will not be any objection when mails with job advertisement or business announcements or any other non-philosophy related matter is posted; but when a deep philosophical discussion takes place, sudden protests pop up. With due consideration to the unwilling readers, who are not receptive to the deeper concepts, and to relieve them from the agony of reading the mails with deep philosophical discussion, I suggest that we move the discussion to VMS philosophy and even there, I will just give one final response instead of carrying on the thread for ever. Regards, Kesava Rao ----- Original Message ----- B.S.Santosh Prasad To: Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:08 PM Subject: Complex explanations? Dear Haribhaktas, Due regards to all the learned people in the group. The objective of this group should be to bring all the madhvas into a learning fold. I am assuming that a lot of youngsters like me are joining this group. Complex questions and answers shall not help in providing encouragement to them. We do not have the karma, yogyate, etc to partake of your understanding. Srimadhacharya has commanded that one should not blindly believe his teachings without applying logic to it. This process needs to be simplified so that everyone can share and understand the deeper aspects of the philosophy. I believe that all of you are so knowledgeable that you can churn out very good explanations for us youngsters to understand. Further, as regards the Brahma and Vayu devaru discussion, I understand from various references that their "rijugunatva" is not the sole scale of measurement. Vishnubhakti is of prime importance and this attribute of theirs cannot be gauged by anybody but Vishnu. All of their prowess is attributed completely to this. Further, Brahma and Vayu cannot exist independent of each other. References to the above suggestion are invited. Thanks and Warm regards, B.S.Santosh Prasad. nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h| taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa| tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH | karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA || "I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace" If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya -- To send an empty E-mail (without subject and body info.) to - -- Visit VMS at http://www.madhva.org View the latest events in the US by selecting the 'Events' link -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 Dear Santosh, There is another group called VMS-Youth (which is essentially an off-shoot of the main VMS lists) where issues are discussed at much more elementary level. You may want to to the same and get a feeling of some basics. Even complex issues are discussed in simple terms mainly for people like you and myself (since i am also a beginner). There are also quite a few websites which give basic explanations and then go on to discuss deeper and very deeper gradually if you are interested. Hope this helps. Sri. Kesava Rao and others, PLEASE CONTINUE the wonderful discussions on the same list as it is. Regards Rekha Kulkarni. > - > B.S.Santosh Prasad > > Dear Haribhaktas, > > Due regards to all the learned people in the > group. > > The objective of this group should be to bring all > the madhvas into a learning fold. > I am assuming that a lot of youngsters like me are > joining this group. Complex questions and answers > shall not help in providing encouragement to them. > > We do not have the karma, yogyate, etc to partake > of your understanding. > Srimadhacharya has commanded that one should not > blindly believe his teachings without applying logic > to it. > This process needs to be simplified so that > everyone can share and understand the deeper aspects > of the philosophy. > > I believe that all of you are so knowledgeable > that you can churn out very good explanations for us > youngsters to understand. > > Further, as regards the Brahma and Vayu devaru > discussion, I understand from various references > that > their " rijugunatva " is not the sole scale of > measurement. Vishnubhakti is of prime importance and > this attribute of theirs cannot be gauged by anybody > but Vishnu. All of their prowess is attributed > completely to this. Further, Brahma and Vayu cannot > exist independent of each other. > > References to the above suggestion are invited. > > Thanks and Warm regards, > > B.S.Santosh Prasad. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Dear Sri Kesava Rao Please continue with your elaborate writings. Your contributions are very informative, and we are lucky to know more and more of srimadaachaarya's philosophy. Frankly sir, I have been reading your writings for several years and have enjoyed reading every bit of it. I cannot find a better tutorial on Anandtiirthaas philosophy on the net. regards gururaj bangalore Madhusudan Bheemasenarao <mbheemasenarao wrote: Dear Haribhaktas of this forum,Even some of us may not have "Yogyatha' to participate in the discussions , but that doesnot constraint any one fromreading the discussions and grasp Yatha shakti. Learned people like Sri Keshavarao spends lot of time for drafting replies. and we are all blessed by Lord and sri madhacharya to have learned people who are egerly helping people with doubts and questions and even if any one reads these mails for "Time-Pass" may get some knowledge. What is not complex in this world???job is complex, living itself is complex.Doing Sandhyavandana and DevarapuJe is complex.Even "Bhojana" is also complex. If one wants to take HarinaivEdhya one has to forgoabandoned Vegetables, even that is also complex. Easiest way is don't do naivedhya.bahucitrajagat bahudakaraNa.......................................Are we not living in this complex world??Nothing comes "PUKKAT" in this world. Even for Lord's prasada one has to do Sadhana for many many janmas.Such being the case,Cock and Bull reasons of I don't know Sanskrit, I can not understand Complex discussions, Complex explanations are Childish excuses.There may be Some Short-Cuts for some things in this world NOT for "Madhva Shastra". One has to Strive hard to know the intricacies of Shastra and that comes only if one has "Shradda-bhakti",Shraddavan labhate jnanam.............(Gita)Instead if one says: I cannot understand Shastra so don't discuss!! is akin to Cutting Nose if one is suffering from Running Nose.If some members feel that they want to live with god-given gift of " Ignorance" for ever , let them, I requestSri Keshavarao and Sri Krishna and Sri Prasanna to move the discussions to dedicated forums like dvaita and let this forum be dedicated to discussing USELESS Things.I hope this mail of mine is NOT Complex and donot need any Commentaries.namaskaraMadhusudan BheemasenaraoKesava Rao wrote: When the topic is complex, the explanation will also be complex. It is impossible to explain complex analysis at 1st grade level. There will not be any objection when mails with job advertisement or business announcements or any other non-philosophy related matter is posted; but when a deep philosophical discussion takes place, sudden protests pop up. With due consideration to the unwilling readers, who are not receptive to the deeper concepts, and to relieve them from the agony of reading the mails with deep philosophical discussion, I suggest that we move the discussion to VMS philosophy and even there, I will just give one final response instead of carrying on the thread for ever. Regards, Kesava Rao - B.S.Santosh Prasad Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:08 PM Complex explanations? Dear Haribhaktas, Due regards to all the learned people in the group. The objective of this group should be to bring all the madhvas into a learning fold. I am assuming that a lot of youngsters like me are joining this group. Complex questions and answers shall not help in providing encouragement to them. We do not have the karma, yogyate, etc to partake of your understanding. Srimadhacharya has commanded that one should not blindly believe his teachings without applying logic to it. This process needs to be simplified so that everyone can share and understand the deeper aspects of the philosophy. I believe that all of you are so knowledgeable that you can churn out very good explanations for us youngsters to understand. Further, as regards the Brahma and Vayu devaru discussion, I understand from various references that their "rijugunatva" is not the sole scale of measurement. Vishnubhakti is of prime importance and this attribute of theirs cannot be gauged by anybody but Vishnu. All of their prowess is attributed completely to this. Further, Brahma and Vayu cannot exist independent of each other. References to the above suggestion are invited. Thanks and Warm regards, B.S.Santosh Prasad. nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h|taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa|tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH |karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA ||"I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace" If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya --To send an empty E-mail (without subject and body info.) to - --Visit VMS at http://www.madhva.orgView the latest events in the US by selecting the 'Events' link-- nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h|taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa|tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH |karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA ||"I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace" If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya --To send an empty E-mail (without subject and body info.) to - --Visit VMS at http://www.madhva.orgView the latest events in the US by selecting the 'Events' link-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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