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Dear Haribhaktas,

 

Due regards to all the learned people in the group.

 

The objective of this group should be to bring all the madhvas into a learning fold.

I am assuming that a lot of youngsters like me are joining this group. Complex questions and answers

shall not help in providing encouragement to them.

 

We do not have the karma, yogyate, etc to partake of your understanding.

Srimadhacharya has commanded that one should not blindly believe his teachings without applying logic to it.

This process needs to be simplified so that everyone can share and understand the deeper aspects of the philosophy.

 

I believe that all of you are so knowledgeable that you can churn out very good explanations for us youngsters to understand.

 

Further, as regards the Brahma and Vayu devaru discussion, I understand from various references that

their "rijugunatva" is not the sole scale of measurement. Vishnubhakti is of prime importance and this attribute of theirs cannot be gauged by anybody but Vishnu. All of their prowess is attributed completely to this. Further, Brahma and Vayu cannot exist independent of each other.

 

References to the above suggestion are invited.

 

Thanks and Warm regards,

 

B.S.Santosh Prasad.

 

 

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Kesava Rao

Wednesday, March 16, 2005 12:50 PM

Re: regarding the birth details of madhvacharya

taddad84 wrote on March 15, 2005 :> keshava rao said that the moha for brahma is for> loka vidambana and is just for ardha kshana.this ardha kshana is for> brahma or for jeevas?This is "aupachArika" (or symbolic only) meaning just to indicatethat it is a small fraction of time. What is the pramANa? For thiskind of things, the context is pramANa. Acharya is saying this toemphasize how insignificant it is. If it is for a long time and thenthe whole context loses its purpose.> if it is for brahma even that ardha kshana will> be thousands of human years.Rest asured, it is for a very small fraction of time. We can't evengauge how small a duration it is. We may try to bring in dictionarymeaning, but we should be cautioned about it.> and i just wonder what happhen to the> srishti he made during the moha period or should we assume that he> stopped creation during that moha periodFirst of all, like a machine Brahma did not start sRishhTi as soon ashe came into creation. He did tapas for many years before startingthe creation.> and i know brahma has a boon> from vishnu that he wont have any asura or kali's influence.It is all the R^ijus, who don't have kali influence. Notethe episode of "AkhanAshma" when the asuras try to influenceMukhyaprANa.> so if the srishti went wrong during the moha periodTotally out of question.> if you assume that srishti went on right that means lord> hari's maya did not work.Hari's mAya is nothing but Hari's ichchha. His ichchha isdefinitely not to make the sR^ishhTi wrong. It is the LordWho does the sR^ishhTi by His "Brahma" form inside ChaturmukhaBrahma.Regards,Kesava Rao> HanumantharaonAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h|taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa|tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH |karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA ||"I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace" If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya --To send an empty E-mail (without subject and body info.) to - --Visit VMS at http://www.madhva.orgView the latest events in the US by selecting the 'Events' link--

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When the topic is complex, the explanation will also be complex. It is

impossible to explain complex analysis at 1st grade level. There will

not be any objection when mails with job advertisement or business

announcements or any other non-philosophy related matter is posted;

but when a deep philosophical discussion takes place, sudden protests

pop up. With due consideration to the unwilling readers, who are not

receptive to the deeper concepts, and to relieve them from the agony

of reading the mails with deep philosophical discussion, I suggest

that we move the discussion to VMS philosophy and even there, I will

just give one final response instead of carrying on the thread for ever.

 

Regards,

Kesava Rao

 

-

B.S.Santosh Prasad

Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:08 PM

Complex explanations?

 

Dear Haribhaktas,

 

Due regards to all the learned people in the group.

 

The objective of this group should be to bring all the madhvas into a learning fold.

I am assuming that a lot of youngsters like me are joining this group. Complex questions and answers

shall not help in providing encouragement to them.

 

We do not have the karma, yogyate, etc to partake of your understanding.

Srimadhacharya has commanded that one should not blindly believe his teachings without applying logic to it.

This process needs to be simplified so that everyone can share and understand the deeper aspects of the philosophy.

 

I believe that all of you are so knowledgeable that you can churn out very good explanations for us youngsters to understand.

 

Further, as regards the Brahma and Vayu devaru discussion, I understand from various references that

their "rijugunatva" is not the sole scale of measurement. Vishnubhakti is of prime importance and this attribute of theirs cannot be gauged by anybody but Vishnu. All of their prowess is attributed completely to this. Further, Brahma and Vayu cannot exist independent of each other.

 

References to the above suggestion are invited.

 

Thanks and Warm regards,

 

B.S.Santosh Prasad.

 

 

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Dear Haribhaktas of this forum,

 

Even some of us may not have "Yogyatha' to participate in the

discussions , but that doesnot constraint any one from

reading the discussions and grasp Yatha shakti. Learned people like Sri

Keshavarao spends lot of time for drafting replies. and we are all

blessed by Lord and sri madhacharya to have learned people who are

egerly helping people with doubts and questions and even if any one

reads these mails for "Time-Pass" may get some knowledge.

 

What is not complex in this world???

job is complex, living itself is complex.Doing Sandhyavandana and

DevarapuJe is complex.

 

Even "Bhojana" is also complex. If one wants to take HarinaivEdhya one

has to forgo

abandoned Vegetables, even that is also complex. Easiest way is don't

do naivedhya.

 

bahucitrajagat bahudakaraNa.......................................

 

Are we not living in this complex world??

 

Nothing comes "PUKKAT" in this world. Even for Lord's prasada one

has to do Sadhana for many many janmas.

 

Such being the case,Cock and Bull reasons of I don't know Sanskrit, I

can not understand Complex discussions, Complex explanations are

Childish excuses.

 

There may be Some Short-Cuts for some things in this world NOT for

"Madhva Shastra". One has to Strive hard

to know the intricacies of Shastra and that comes only if one has

"Shradda-bhakti",

 

Shraddavan labhate jnanam.............(Gita)

 

Instead if one says: I cannot understand Shastra so don't discuss!!

is akin to Cutting Nose if one is suffering from Running Nose.

 

If some members feel that they want to live with god-given gift of "

Ignorance" for ever , let them, I request

Sri Keshavarao and Sri Krishna and Sri Prasanna to move the discussions

to dedicated forums like dvaita and let this

forum be dedicated to discussing USELESS Things.

 

I hope this mail of mine is NOT Complex and donot need any

Commentaries.

 

namaskara

Madhusudan Bheemasenarao

 

 

 

 

Kesava Rao wrote:

 

When the topic is complex, the explanation will

also be complex. It is

impossible to explain complex analysis at 1st

grade level. There will

not be any objection when mails with job

advertisement or business

announcements or any other non-philosophy related

matter is posted;

but when a deep philosophical discussion takes

place, sudden protests

pop up. With due consideration to the unwilling

readers, who are not

receptive to the deeper concepts, and to relieve

them from the agony

of reading the mails with deep philosophical discussion, I

suggest

that we move the discussion

to VMS philosophy and even there, I will

just give one final

response instead of carrying on the thread for ever.

 

Regards,

Kesava Rao

 

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B.S.Santosh

Prasad

To:

 

 

Sent:

Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:08 PM

Subject:

Complex explanations?

 

 

Dear Haribhaktas,

 

Due regards to

all the learned people in the group.

 

The objective of

this group should be to bring all the madhvas into a learning fold.

I am assuming

that a lot of youngsters like me are joining this group. Complex

questions and answers

shall not help

in providing encouragement to them.

 

We do not have

the karma, yogyate, etc to partake of your understanding.

Srimadhacharya

has commanded that one should not blindly believe his teachings without

applying logic to it.

This process

needs to be simplified so that everyone can share and understand the

deeper aspects of the philosophy.

 

I believe that

all of you are so knowledgeable that you can churn out very good

explanations for us youngsters to understand.

 

Further,

as regards the Brahma and Vayu devaru discussion, I understand from

various references that

their

"rijugunatva" is not the sole scale of measurement. Vishnubhakti is of

prime importance and this attribute of theirs cannot be gauged by

anybody but Vishnu. All of their prowess is attributed completely to

this. Further, Brahma and Vayu cannot exist independent of each other.

 

References to

the above suggestion are invited.

 

Thanks and Warm

regards,

 

B.S.Santosh

Prasad.

 

 

 

 

 

 

nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h|

taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa|

tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH |

karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA ||

 

"I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do

are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and

not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to

me are due to His recurring grace"

If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari,

in this way, it pleases Vishnu.

--- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya

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Dear Santosh,

 

There is another group called VMS-Youth (which is

essentially an off-shoot of the main VMS lists) where

issues are discussed at much more elementary level.

You may want to to the same and get a

feeling of some basics. Even complex issues are

discussed in simple terms mainly for people like you

and myself (since i am also a beginner). There are

also quite a few websites which give basic

explanations and then go on to discuss deeper and very

deeper gradually if you are interested.

Hope this helps.

 

Sri. Kesava Rao and others, PLEASE CONTINUE the

wonderful discussions on the same list as it is.

 

Regards

Rekha Kulkarni.

 

 

> -

> B.S.Santosh Prasad

 

>

> Dear Haribhaktas,

>

> Due regards to all the learned people in the

> group.

>

> The objective of this group should be to bring all

> the madhvas into a learning fold.

> I am assuming that a lot of youngsters like me are

> joining this group. Complex questions and answers

> shall not help in providing encouragement to them.

>

> We do not have the karma, yogyate, etc to partake

> of your understanding.

> Srimadhacharya has commanded that one should not

> blindly believe his teachings without applying logic

> to it.

> This process needs to be simplified so that

> everyone can share and understand the deeper aspects

> of the philosophy.

>

> I believe that all of you are so knowledgeable

> that you can churn out very good explanations for us

> youngsters to understand.

>

> Further, as regards the Brahma and Vayu devaru

> discussion, I understand from various references

> that

> their " rijugunatva " is not the sole scale of

> measurement. Vishnubhakti is of prime importance and

> this attribute of theirs cannot be gauged by anybody

> but Vishnu. All of their prowess is attributed

> completely to this. Further, Brahma and Vayu cannot

> exist independent of each other.

>

> References to the above suggestion are invited.

>

> Thanks and Warm regards,

>

> B.S.Santosh Prasad.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sri Kesava Rao

 

Please continue with your elaborate writings.

Your contributions are very informative, and we

are lucky to know more and more of srimadaachaarya's

philosophy. Frankly sir, I have been reading your

writings for several years and have enjoyed reading

every bit of it. I cannot find a better tutorial on

Anandtiirthaas philosophy on the net.

 

regards

gururaj

bangalore

Madhusudan Bheemasenarao <mbheemasenarao wrote: Dear Haribhaktas of this forum,Even some of us may not have "Yogyatha' to participate in the discussions , but that doesnot constraint any one fromreading the discussions and grasp Yatha shakti. Learned people like Sri Keshavarao spends lot of time for drafting replies. and we are all blessed by Lord and sri madhacharya to have learned people who are egerly helping people with doubts and questions and even if any one reads these mails for "Time-Pass" may get some knowledge. What is not complex in this world???job is complex, living itself is complex.Doing Sandhyavandana and DevarapuJe is complex.Even "Bhojana" is also complex. If one wants to take HarinaivEdhya one has to forgoabandoned Vegetables, even that is also complex. Easiest way is don't do naivedhya.bahucitrajagat

bahudakaraNa.......................................Are we not living in this complex world??Nothing comes "PUKKAT" in this world. Even for Lord's prasada one has to do Sadhana for many many janmas.Such being the case,Cock and Bull reasons of I don't know Sanskrit, I can not understand Complex discussions, Complex explanations are Childish excuses.There may be Some Short-Cuts for some things in this world NOT for "Madhva Shastra". One has to Strive hard to know the intricacies of Shastra and that comes only if one has "Shradda-bhakti",Shraddavan labhate jnanam.............(Gita)Instead if one says: I cannot understand Shastra so don't discuss!! is akin to Cutting Nose if one is suffering from Running Nose.If some members feel that they want to live with god-given gift of " Ignorance" for ever , let them, I requestSri Keshavarao and Sri Krishna and Sri

Prasanna to move the discussions to dedicated forums like dvaita and let this forum be dedicated to discussing USELESS Things.I hope this mail of mine is NOT Complex and donot need any Commentaries.namaskaraMadhusudan BheemasenaraoKesava Rao wrote:

When the topic is complex, the explanation will also be complex. It is

impossible to explain complex analysis at 1st grade level. There will

not be any objection when mails with job advertisement or business

announcements or any other non-philosophy related matter is posted;

but when a deep philosophical discussion takes place, sudden protests

pop up. With due consideration to the unwilling readers, who are not

receptive to the deeper concepts, and to relieve them from the agony

of reading the mails with deep philosophical discussion, I suggest

that we move the discussion to VMS philosophy and even there, I will

just give one final response instead of carrying on the thread for ever.

 

Regards,

Kesava Rao

 

-

B.S.Santosh Prasad

Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:08 PM

Complex explanations?

 

Dear Haribhaktas,

 

Due regards to all the learned people in the group.

 

The objective of this group should be to bring all the madhvas into a learning fold.

I am assuming that a lot of youngsters like me are joining this group. Complex questions and answers

shall not help in providing encouragement to them.

 

We do not have the karma, yogyate, etc to partake of your understanding.

Srimadhacharya has commanded that one should not blindly believe his teachings without applying logic to it.

This process needs to be simplified so that everyone can share and understand the deeper aspects of the philosophy.

 

I believe that all of you are so knowledgeable that you can churn out very good explanations for us youngsters to understand.

 

Further, as regards the Brahma and Vayu devaru discussion, I understand from various references that

their "rijugunatva" is not the sole scale of measurement. Vishnubhakti is of prime importance and this attribute of theirs cannot be gauged by anybody but Vishnu. All of their prowess is attributed completely to this. Further, Brahma and Vayu cannot exist independent of each other.

 

References to the above suggestion are invited.

 

Thanks and Warm regards,

 

B.S.Santosh Prasad.

 

nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h|taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa|tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH |karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA ||"I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace" If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya --To send an empty E-mail (without subject and body info.) to - --Visit VMS at http://www.madhva.orgView the latest events in the US by selecting the 'Events' link-- nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h|taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa|tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH |karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA ||"I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace" If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu.

--- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya --To send an empty E-mail (without subject and body info.) to - --Visit VMS at http://www.madhva.orgView the latest events in the US by selecting the 'Events' link--

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