Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Hare Srinivasa! Here is message which I feel everyone of us need to know and share with others also. It would be nice to have further discussion on this topic. namaskAra B.Gopalakrishna Dhyana_Sandhya [Dhyana_Sandhya ] On Behalf Of S. Venkatesh Bhat [bhats] Namaskara to all The recent satsanghs have been fantastic, clearly showing how valuable a religious life is. In this context, I asked a couple of scholars of Poornaprajna Vidyapeetha what the duties are of a Madhva Brahmin householder are regarding the education of his son/sons once the upanayana is performed. A summary of the conversation: A Madhva Brahmin householder, on knowing the greatness of VEdas and Madhva shastra, should encourage his sons to read Vedas, Madhva shastra full time because a thorough knowledge of Sanskrit and shastras is the base for moksha sadhana. Question: What about going to regular school/college and learning stothras and holy texts in the evening during spare time? Answer: The knowledge of shastras acquired in such a manner will be meagre and definitely not adequate for moksha sadhana. Question: Is it not risky careerwise to admit sons to gurukulas fulltime? How much will they be able to earn? Where will they work? What educational qualification will they earn? Answer: Your fears have no basis. Those who study shastras fulltime at Vidyapeethas always fare well in life. None is suffering from poverty. Most of them are earning a decent income and at the same time they adhere to the scriptural injunction that Brahmins must only study and teach shastras or perform yajnas. They also earn the respect of society. Most important, they have laid the basis for moksha sadhana. Question: But the very thought of admitting our sons in gurukulas is scary. Our relatives will be furious and call us " nuts " . What should we do? Answer: " Vasumathiya melinnu durjanare bahala vashavalla kaliya badhe... " sang Sri Gopaladasaru. Those who discourage vedic education are not our " bandhus " , they are " bandhakas. " Our only two friends are Sri Vishnu and Sri Mukhyaprana. If we cling to these two, they will redeem us. Remember, IT IS OUR GREAT LUCK THAT WE ARE BORN AS MADHVA BRAHMINS. WE SHOULD MAKE FULL USE OF THIS CHANCE TO STUDY SHASTRAS. IF WE FAIL TO DO SO AND IMMERSE OURSELVES IN WORLDLY AFFAIRS, DEVOTING ONLY A LITTLE TIME TO SHASTRAS, WE MAY NOT AGAIN GET BIRTH IN A MADHVA FAMILY. SO, DO NOT MISS THE BUS. AND OBTAINING MOKSHA IS NO EASY TASK. IT REQUIRES A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS PLUS BHAKTHI AND VAIRAGYA. A LITTLEKNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS WILL NOT HELP. Question: What about those working in offices but are interested in shastras and learning them to a certain extent? Answer: What they are doing is a good thing. Perhaps they may do greater sadhana in the next life and then work for salvation. Such people should help their sons become VEdic scholars, not become encourage their sons to become businessman/doctor/engineer etc. Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend most of your valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be forced to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours. Think very hard and decide. And your decision and action will reflect your yogyata. Remember, Bannanje Govindacharya/Prabhanjanacharya/Prahaladacharya/Vidyasimhacharya/Pandarinath acharya Galagali and a whole lot of other great SAnskrit scholars are doing well in life. They have embraced shastras fulltime. After the conversation, I went home shell shocked. Venkatesh Bhat [bhats] ********************************************************************************\ ******** Note: If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ********************************************************************************\ ******** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 ||Sri Hari || Its a nice topic infact.But I would like follow the question No 2, about career. Every one who joins in Vidyapeeta cannot become Prabhanjana Acharya or Bannanje Govindacharya. Its all their Yogyatha.But most of the people who come out of Vidyapeeta will serve the socity as Porohit. As per our shashras we know that how critical is the job of purohit.If you follow what mentioned in shashras for a purohit to do, then there is no way a purohit can survive any chance in the present situation. I am not saying that purohit job is tedious but for the future generation should see a solid path and surviving aspects to take up this path. Namaskara "Gopalakrishna.Varna" <gopalakrishna.varna wrote: Hare Srinivasa!Here is message which I feel everyone of us need to know and share with others also.It would be nice to have further discussion on this topic.namaskAraB.GopalakrishnaDhyana_Sandhya [Dhyana_Sandhya ] On Behalf Of S. Venkatesh Bhat [bhats]Namaskara to allThe recent satsanghs have been fantastic, clearly showing how valuable a religious life is. In this context, I asked a couple of scholars of Poornaprajna Vidyapeetha what the duties are of a Madhva Brahmin householder are regarding the education of his son/sons once the upanayana is performed.A summary of the conversation:A Madhva Brahmin householder, on knowing the greatness of VEdas and Madhva shastra, should encourage his sons to read Vedas, Madhva shastra full time because a thorough knowledge of Sanskrit and shastras is the base for moksha sadhana.Question: What about going to regular school/college and learning stothras and holy texts in the evening during spare time?Answer: The knowledge of shastras acquired in such a manner will be meagre and definitely not adequate for moksha sadhana.Question: Is it not risky careerwise to admit sons to gurukulas fulltime?How much will they be able to earn? Where will they work? What educational qualification will they earn?Answer: Your fears have no basis. Those who study shastras fulltime at Vidyapeethas always fare well in life. None is suffering from poverty. Most of them are earning a decent income and at the same time they adhere to the scriptural injunction that Brahmins must only study and teach shastras or perform yajnas. They also earn the respect of society. Most important, they have laid the basis for moksha sadhana.Question: But the very thought of admitting our sons in gurukulas is scary.Our relatives will be furious and call us "nuts". What should we do?Answer: "Vasumathiya melinnu durjanare bahala vashavalla kaliya badhe..."sang Sri Gopaladasaru. Those who discourage vedic education are not our "bandhus", they are "bandhakas." Our only two friends are Sri Vishnu and Sri Mukhyaprana. If we cling to these two, they will redeem us. Remember, IT IS OUR GREAT LUCK THAT WE ARE BORN AS MADHVA BRAHMINS. WE SHOULD MAKE FULL USE OF THIS CHANCE TO STUDY SHASTRAS. IF WE FAIL TO DO SO AND IMMERSE OURSELVES IN WORLDLY AFFAIRS, DEVOTING ONLY A LITTLE TIME TO SHASTRAS, WE MAY NOT AGAIN GET BIRTH IN A MADHVA FAMILY. SO, DO NOT MISS THE BUS. AND OBTAINING MOKSHA IS NO EASY TASK. IT REQUIRES A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS PLUS BHAKTHI AND VAIRAGYA. A LITTLEKNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS WILL NOT HELP.Question: What about those working in offices but are interested in shastras and learning them to a certain extent?Answer: What they are doing is a good thing. Perhaps they may do greater sadhana in the next life and then work for salvation. Such people should help their sons become VEdic scholars, not become encourage their sons to become businessman/doctor/engineer etc. Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend most of your valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be forced to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours. Think very hard and decide. And your decision and action will reflect your yogyata. Remember, Bannanje Govindacharya/Prabhanjanacharya/Prahaladacharya/Vidyasimhacharya/Pandarinathacharya Galagali and a whole lot of other great SAnskrit scholars are doing well in life. They have embraced shastras fulltime.After the conversation, I went home shell shocked.Venkatesh Bhat[bhats]****************************************************************************************Note: If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you.**************************************************************************************** for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. 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Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 ||Sri Hari || Its a good topic to discuss.But I would like follow the question No 2, about career. Every one who joins in Vidyapeeta maynot become Prabhanjana Acharya or Bannanje Govindacharya. Its all their Yogyatha.But most of the people who come out of Vidyapeeta will serve the socity as Porohit. As per our shashras we know that how critical is the job of purohit.If you follow what mentioned in shashras for a purohit to do, then I can see highly difficult situation a purohit can survive in the present situation until unless they have good public relations.I am not saying that purohit job is tedious but for the future generation they should see a solid path and surviving aspects to take up this path. Namaskara , " Gopalakrishna.Varna " <gopalakrishna.varna@d...> wrote: > > Hare Srinivasa! > > Here is message which I feel everyone of us need to know and share with others also. > It would be nice to have further discussion on this topic. > > namaskAra > B.Gopalakrishna > > > Dhyana_Sandhya [Dhyana_Sandhya ] On Behalf Of S. Venkatesh Bhat [bhats@t...] > > Namaskara to all > > The recent satsanghs have been fantastic, clearly showing how valuable a religious life is. In this context, I asked a couple of scholars of Poornaprajna Vidyapeetha what the duties are of a Madhva Brahmin householder are regarding the education of his son/sons once the upanayana is performed. > > A summary of the conversation: > A Madhva Brahmin householder, on knowing the greatness of VEdas and Madhva shastra, should encourage his sons to read Vedas, Madhva shastra full time because a thorough knowledge of Sanskrit and shastras is the base for moksha sadhana. > > Question: What about going to regular school/college and learning stothras and holy texts in the evening during spare time? > Answer: The knowledge of shastras acquired in such a manner will be meagre and definitely not adequate for moksha sadhana. > > Question: Is it not risky careerwise to admit sons to gurukulas fulltime? > How much will they be able to earn? Where will they work? What educational qualification will they earn? > Answer: Your fears have no basis. Those who study shastras fulltime at Vidyapeethas always fare well in life. None is suffering from poverty. Most of them are earning a decent income and at the same time they adhere to the scriptural injunction that Brahmins must only study and teach shastras or perform yajnas. They also earn the respect of society. Most important, they have laid the basis for moksha sadhana. > > Question: But the very thought of admitting our sons in gurukulas is scary. > Our relatives will be furious and call us " nuts " . What should we do? > Answer: " Vasumathiya melinnu durjanare bahala vashavalla kaliya badhe... " > sang Sri Gopaladasaru. Those who discourage vedic education are not our " bandhus " , they are " bandhakas. " Our only two friends are Sri Vishnu and Sri Mukhyaprana. If we cling to these two, they will redeem us. Remember, IT IS OUR GREAT LUCK THAT WE ARE BORN AS MADHVA BRAHMINS. WE SHOULD MAKE FULL USE OF THIS CHANCE TO STUDY SHASTRAS. IF WE FAIL TO DO SO AND IMMERSE OURSELVES IN WORLDLY AFFAIRS, DEVOTING ONLY A LITTLE TIME TO SHASTRAS, WE MAY NOT AGAIN GET BIRTH IN A MADHVA FAMILY. SO, DO NOT MISS THE BUS. AND OBTAINING MOKSHA IS NO EASY TASK. IT REQUIRES A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS PLUS BHAKTHI AND VAIRAGYA. A LITTLEKNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS WILL NOT HELP. > > Question: What about those working in offices but are interested in shastras and learning them to a certain extent? > Answer: What they are doing is a good thing. Perhaps they may do greater sadhana in the next life and then work for salvation. Such people should help their sons become VEdic scholars, not become encourage their sons to become businessman/doctor/engineer etc. Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend most of your valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be forced to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours. Think very hard and decide. And your decision and action will reflect your yogyata. Remember, Bannanje Govindacharya/Prabhanjanacharya/Prahaladacharya/Vidyasimhacharya/Pand arinath > acharya Galagali and a whole lot of other great SAnskrit scholars are doing well in life. They have embraced shastras fulltime. > > After the conversation, I went home shell shocked. > > Venkatesh Bhat > [bhats@t...] > > ********************************************************************* ******************* > > Note: If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. 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Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Well, The main goal of Vidyappeet was not to produce Purohits(to make money or whatever) But to enable people to learn Shastras. I remember once Pejawara Swamiji was mentioning his sadness over pupils at VidyaPeeta not pursuing further on Shastras.... On Behalf Of Bheemasena Rao.YWednesday, October 05, 2005 7:48 AMGopalakrishna.Varna; vms-philosophy ; ; svbm Cc: S. Venkatesh BhatRe: Duties of Madhva Brahmin householder ||Sri Hari || Its a nice topic infact.But I would like follow the question No 2, about career. Every one who joins in Vidyapeeta cannot become Prabhanjana Acharya or Bannanje Govindacharya. Its all their Yogyatha.But most of the people who come out of Vidyapeeta will serve the socity as Porohit. As per our shashras we know that how critical is the job of purohit.If you follow what mentioned in shashras for a purohit to do, then there is no way a purohit can survive any chance in the present situation. I am not saying that purohit job is tedious but for the future generation should see a solid path and surviving aspects to take up this path. Namaskara "Gopalakrishna.Varna" <gopalakrishna.varna wrote: Hare Srinivasa!Here is message which I feel everyone of us need to know and share with others also.It would be nice to have further discussion on this topic.namaskAraB.GopalakrishnaDhyana_Sandhya [Dhyana_Sandhya ] On Behalf Of S. Venkatesh Bhat [bhats]Namaskara to allThe recent satsanghs have been fantastic, clearly showing how valuable a religious life is. In this context, I asked a couple of scholars of Poornaprajna Vidyapeetha what the duties are of a Madhva Brahmin householder are regarding the education of his son/sons once the upanayana is performed.A summary of the conversation:A Madhva Brahmin householder, on knowing the greatness of VEdas and Madhva shastra, should encourage his sons to read Vedas, Madhva shastra! full time because a thorough knowledge of Sanskrit and shastras is the base for moksha sadhana.Question: What about going to regular school/college and learning stothras and holy texts in the evening during spare time?Answer: The knowledge of shastras acquired in such a manner will be meagre and definitely not adequate for moksha sadhana.Question: Is it not risky careerwise to admit sons to gurukulas fulltime?How much will they be able to earn? Where will they work? What educational qualification will they earn?Answer: Your fears have no basis. Those who study shastras fulltime at Vidyapeethas always fare well in life. None is suffering from poverty. Most of them are earning a decent income and at the same time they adhere to the scriptural injunction that Brahmins must only study and teach shastras or perform yajnas. They also earn the respect of society. Most important, they have laid the basis for moksha sadhana.Question: But the very thoug! ht of admitting our sons in gurukulas is scary.Our relatives will be furious and call us "nuts". What should we do?Answer: "Vasumathiya melinnu durjanare bahala vashavalla kaliya badhe..."sang Sri Gopaladasaru. Those who discourage vedic education are not our "bandhus", they are "bandhakas." Our only two friends are Sri Vishnu and Sri Mukhyaprana. If we cling to these two, they will redeem us. Remember, IT IS OUR GREAT LUCK THAT WE ARE BORN AS MADHVA BRAHMINS. WE SHOULD MAKE FULL USE OF THIS CHANCE TO STUDY SHASTRAS. IF WE FAIL TO DO SO AND IMMERSE OURSELVES IN WORLDLY AFFAIRS, DEVOTING ONLY A LITTLE TIME TO SHASTRAS, WE MAY NOT AGAIN GET BIRTH IN A MADHVA FAMILY. SO, DO NOT MISS THE BUS. AND OBTAINING MOKSHA IS NO EASY TASK. IT REQUIRES A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS PLUS BHAKTHI AND VAIRAGYA. A LITTLEKNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS WILL NOT HELP.Question: What about those working in offices but are interested in shastras and learning them to a certain extent?A! nswer: What they are doing is a good thing. Perhaps they may do greater sadhana in the next life and then work for salvation. Such people should help their sons become VEdic scholars, not become encourage their sons to become businessman/doctor/engineer etc. Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend most of your valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be forced to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours. Think very hard and decide. And your decision and action will reflect your yogyata. Remember, Bannanje Govindacharya/Prabhanjanacharya/Prahaladacharya/Vidyasimhacharya/Pandarinathacharya Galagali and a whole lot of other great SAnskrit scholars are doing well in life. They have embraced shastras fulltime.After the conversation, I went home shell shocked.Venkatesh Bhat[bhats]****************************************************************************************Note: If the reader! of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you.**************************************************************************************** for GoodClick here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. 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Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Mr Bajpe, I think you mistaken the topic which we are discussing. we are not talking about the Vidyapeeta or its goal what ever. Please do read the mail cycles. ThanksGiridhar Bajpe <gbajpe wrote: Well, The main goal of Vidyappeet was not to produce Purohits(to make money or whatever) But to enable people to learn Shastras. I remember once Pejawara Swamiji was mentioning his sadness over pupils at VidyaPeeta not pursuing further on Shastras.... On Behalf Of Bheemasena Rao.YWednesday, October 05, 2005 7:48 AMGopalakrishna.Varna; vms-philosophy ; ; svbm Cc: S. Venkatesh BhatRe: Duties of Madhva Brahmin householder ||Sri Hari || Its a nice topic infact.But I would like follow the question No 2, about career. Every one who joins in Vidyapeeta cannot become Prabhanjana Acharya or Bannanje Govindacharya. Its all their Yogyatha.But most of the people who come out of Vidyapeeta will serve the socity as Porohit. As per our shashras we know that how critical is the job of purohit.If you follow what mentioned in shashras for a purohit to do, then there is no way a purohit can survive any chance in the present situation. I am not saying that purohit job is tedious but for the future generation should see a solid path and surviving aspects to take up this path. Namaskara "Gopalakrishna.Varna" <gopalakrishna.varna wrote: Hare Srinivasa!Here is message which I feel everyone of us need to know and share with others also.It would be nice to have further discussion on this topic.namaskAraB.GopalakrishnaDhyana_Sandhya [Dhyana_Sandhya ] On Behalf Of S. Venkatesh Bhat [bhats]Namaskara to allThe recent satsanghs have been fantastic, clearly showing how valuable a religious life is. In this context, I asked a couple of scholars of Poornaprajna Vidyapeetha what the duties are of a Madhva Brahmin householder are regarding the education of his son/sons once the upanayana is performed.A summary of the conversation:A Madhva Brahmin householder, on knowing the greatness of VEdas and Madhva shastra, should encourage his sons to read Vedas, Madhva shastra! full time because a thorough knowledge of Sanskrit and shastras is the base for moksha sadhana.Question: What about going to regular school/college and learning stothras and holy texts in the evening during spare time?Answer: The knowledge of shastras acquired in such a manner will be meagre and definitely not adequate for moksha sadhana.Question: Is it not risky careerwise to admit sons to gurukulas fulltime?How much will they be able to earn? Where will they work? What educational qualification will they earn?Answer: Your fears have no basis. Those who study shastras fulltime at Vidyapeethas always fare well in life. None is suffering from poverty. Most of them are earning a decent income and at the same time they adhere to the scriptural injunction that Brahmins must only study and teach shastras or perform yajnas. They also earn the respect of society. Most important, they have laid the basis for moksha sadhana.Question: But the very thoug! ht of admitting our sons in gurukulas is scary.Our relatives will be furious and call us "nuts". What should we do?Answer: "Vasumathiya melinnu durjanare bahala vashavalla kaliya badhe..."sang Sri Gopaladasaru. Those who discourage vedic education are not our "bandhus", they are "bandhakas." Our only two friends are Sri Vishnu and Sri Mukhyaprana. If we cling to these two, they will redeem us. Remember, IT IS OUR GREAT LUCK THAT WE ARE BORN AS MADHVA BRAHMINS. WE SHOULD MAKE FULL USE OF THIS CHANCE TO STUDY SHASTRAS. IF WE FAIL TO DO SO AND IMMERSE OURSELVES IN WORLDLY AFFAIRS, DEVOTING ONLY A LITTLE TIME TO SHASTRAS, WE MAY NOT AGAIN GET BIRTH IN A MADHVA FAMILY. SO, DO NOT MISS THE BUS. AND OBTAINING MOKSHA IS NO EASY TASK. IT REQUIRES A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS PLUS BHAKTHI AND VAIRAGYA. A LITTLEKNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS WILL NOT HELP.Question: What about those working in offices but are interested in shastras and learning them to a certain extent?A! nswer: What they are doing is a good thing. Perhaps they may do greater sadhana in the next life and then work for salvation. Such people should help their sons become VEdic scholars, not become encourage their sons to become businessman/doctor/engineer etc. Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend most of your valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be forced to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours. Think very hard and decide. And your decision and action will reflect your yogyata. Remember, Bannanje Govindacharya/Prabhanjanacharya/Prahaladacharya/Vidyasimhacharya/Pandarinathacharya Galagali and a whole lot of other great SAnskrit scholars are doing well in life. They have embraced shastras fulltime.After the conversation, I went home shell shocked.Venkatesh Bhat[bhats]****************************************************************************************Note: If the reader! of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. 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Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 , " raocan " <raocan> wrote: > Such >people should help their sons become VEdic scholars, not become >encourage their sons to become businessman/doctor/engineer etc. >Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend most of your >valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be forced >to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours. This problem has everything to do with declining family sizes of Madhvas. When the family had 5-6 kids, sending one of them to Gurukula would have been affordable. But the family will shudder to think sending their only kid to Gurukula, not only because kid's future is uncertain, but also the family's itself, since he would be the only bread earner tomorrow. In my perception, maybe I'm wrong, the Madhva population is declining rapidly. That's the root problem. --Mokashi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Chandrika Gurukula run by Sri Junior Swamiji of Pejawar Mutt in Udupi which is a modern day gurukula allows students to attend normal schooling also is an eye opener.Money rich Madhwa persons can think of providing jobs to Vedic/shastra students by opening an philosophical research facility like ORI, may benifit many families. Krishna Mokashi <kmokashi wrote: From: "Krishna Mokashi" <kmokashiFri, 07 Oct 2005 08:26:30 -0000 Re: Duties of Madhva Brahmin householder , "raocan" <raocan> wrote:> Such>people should help their sons become VEdic scholars, not become>encourage their sons to become businessman/doctor/engineer etc.>Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend most of your>valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be forced>to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours.This problem has everything to do with declining family sizes ofMadhvas. When the family had 5-6 kids, sending one of them to Gurukula would have been affordable. But the family will shudder tothink sending their only kid to Gurukula, not only because kid'sfuture is uncertain, but also the family's itself, since he wouldbe the only bread earner tomorrow. In my perception, maybe I'm wrong,the Madhva population is declining rapidly. That's the root problem.--Mokashi.Thanks,Prasanna Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Dear friends, There is a strange dichotomy in the argument that the younger generation should take up only Shastraic education and should not engage themselves in the so called worldly education. The reasons given are very shallow - except for the truly justified one of making full use of one's life as a madhva, for the highest pupose of attaining Moksha. Quoting some success stories in the worldly plane, is irrelevant, as such should not be one's objectives in the first place. For every " success " , we can see a hundred " failures " , where really saintly people with proper Shastraic background half-starve and live a miserable life, in a wordly sense. In almost all stories of our famous saints including Sri Raghavendra, they have suffered exreme poverty in their lives. It is a fact of life that Institutions like Vidyapeeta need support from the House holder class, to keep going and maintain themselves. The fact that Bangalore presently has a large concentration of Madhvas, many of whom are also affluent, is the reason by which a large number of Mathas and institutions like Vidyapeeta are thriving here. If the roots were to shrivel, by all persons trying to be vedic scholars, the first to decay will be such institutions. There is obviously no danger of that, as most of us will not even think of taking such risks regarding our precious progeny. Instead of the largely superficial opinions expressed by some scholars of Vidyapeeta, who have a limited perpsective, it is better to take the advice from some one like the respected Pejawara swamiji, who has not only channelised effectively available resources of wealth, efforts etc, but has done more than any one else in the last couple of generations in spreading the Jnana pertaining to Tatvavada to lay people like us. We should assist him in his herculean efforts and also pay importance to the implied principle - " Eesa beku, Iddu jaiasa beku " . NAPSRao Gopalakrishna.Varna wrote: >Hare Srinivasa! > >Here is message which I feel everyone of us need to know and share with others also. >It would be nice to have further discussion on this topic. > >namaskAra >B.Gopalakrishna > > >Dhyana_Sandhya [Dhyana_Sandhya ] On Behalf Of S. Venkatesh Bhat [bhats] > >Namaskara to all > >The recent satsanghs have been fantastic, clearly showing how valuable a religious life is. In this context, I asked a couple of scholars of Poornaprajna Vidyapeetha what the duties are of a Madhva Brahmin householder are regarding the education of his son/sons once the upanayana is performed. > >A summary of the conversation: >A Madhva Brahmin householder, on knowing the greatness of VEdas and Madhva shastra, should encourage his sons to read Vedas, Madhva shastra full time because a thorough knowledge of Sanskrit and shastras is the base for moksha sadhana. > >Question: What about going to regular school/college and learning stothras and holy texts in the evening during spare time? >Answer: The knowledge of shastras acquired in such a manner will be meagre and definitely not adequate for moksha sadhana. > >Question: Is it not risky careerwise to admit sons to gurukulas fulltime? >How much will they be able to earn? Where will they work? What educational qualification will they earn? >Answer: Your fears have no basis. Those who study shastras fulltime at Vidyapeethas always fare well in life. None is suffering from poverty. Most of them are earning a decent income and at the same time they adhere to the scriptural injunction that Brahmins must only study and teach shastras or perform yajnas. They also earn the respect of society. Most important, they have laid the basis for moksha sadhana. > >Question: But the very thought of admitting our sons in gurukulas is scary. >Our relatives will be furious and call us " nuts " . What should we do? >Answer: " Vasumathiya melinnu durjanare bahala vashavalla kaliya badhe... " >sang Sri Gopaladasaru. Those who discourage vedic education are not our " bandhus " , they are " bandhakas. " Our only two friends are Sri Vishnu and Sri Mukhyaprana. If we cling to these two, they will redeem us. Remember, IT IS OUR GREAT LUCK THAT WE ARE BORN AS MADHVA BRAHMINS. WE SHOULD MAKE FULL USE OF THIS CHANCE TO STUDY SHASTRAS. IF WE FAIL TO DO SO AND IMMERSE OURSELVES IN WORLDLY AFFAIRS, DEVOTING ONLY A LITTLE TIME TO SHASTRAS, WE MAY NOT AGAIN GET BIRTH IN A MADHVA FAMILY. SO, DO NOT MISS THE BUS. AND OBTAINING MOKSHA IS NO EASY TASK. IT REQUIRES A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS PLUS BHAKTHI AND VAIRAGYA. A LITTLEKNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS WILL NOT HELP. > >Question: What about those working in offices but are interested in shastras and learning them to a certain extent? >Answer: What they are doing is a good thing. Perhaps they may do greater sadhana in the next life and then work for salvation. Such people should help their sons become VEdic scholars, not become encourage their sons to become businessman/doctor/engineer etc. Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend most of your valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be forced to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours. Think very hard and decide. And your decision and action will reflect your yogyata. Remember, Bannanje Govindacharya/Prabhanjanacharya/Prahaladacharya/Vidyasimhacharya/Pandarinath >acharya Galagali and a whole lot of other great SAnskrit scholars are doing well in life. They have embraced shastras fulltime. > >After the conversation, I went home shell shocked. > >Venkatesh Bhat >[bhats] > >*******************************************************************************\ ********* > >Note: If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. > >*******************************************************************************\ ********* > > > > > >------ >Attend the VMS Annual Retreat and Mettilotsava in Pittsburgh, PA. Sep 03/04/05. Details at: http://www.tatvavada.org/vms2005/ >------ >nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h| >taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa| >tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH | >karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA || > > " I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace " >If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. > --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya >-- >To send an empty E-mail (without subject and body info.) to - >-- >Visit VMS at http://www.madhva.org >View the latest events in the US by selecting the 'Events' link > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I do agree with the reply of the Vidyapeeta scholars that reading of Vedas, Madhva shastra full time is the only way to acquire knowledge of Sanskrit and shastras which is the base for moksha sadhana. I heard that the PP Vidyapeeta in B'lore has lost it's old glory. So Vidyapeeta has to be restructured to attract boys from the middle class madhwa families. Prasannanapsrao <napsrao wrote: Dear friends,There is a strange dichotomy in the argument that the younger generation should take up only Shastraic education and should not engage themselves in the so called worldly education. The reasons given are very shallow - except for the truly justified one of making full use of one's life as a madhva, for the highest pupose of attaining Moksha. Quoting some success stories in the worldly plane, is irrelevant, as such should not be one's objectives in the first place. For every "success", we can see a hundred "failures", where really saintly people with proper Shastraic background half-starve and live a miserable life, in a wordly sense. In almost all stories of our famous saints including Sri Raghavendra, they have suffered exreme poverty in their lives.It is a fact of life that Institutions like Vidyapeeta need support from the House holder class, to keep going and maintain themselves. The fact that Bangalore presently has a large concentration of Madhvas, many of whom are also affluent, is the reason by which a large number of Mathas and institutions like Vidyapeeta are thriving here. If the roots were to shrivel, by all persons trying to be vedic scholars, the first to decay will be such institutions. There is obviously no danger of that, as most of us will not even think of taking such risks regarding our precious progeny.Instead of the largely superficial opinions expressed by some scholars of Vidyapeeta, who have a limited perpsective, it is better to take the advice from some one like the respected Pejawara swamiji, who has not only channelised effectively available resources of wealth, efforts etc, but has done more than any one else in the last couple of generations in spreading the Jnana pertaining to Tatvavada to lay people like us. We should assist him in his herculean efforts and also pay importance to the implied principle - "Eesa beku, Iddu jaiasa beku".NAPSRaoGopalakrishna.Varna wrote:>Hare Srinivasa!>>Here is message which I feel everyone of us need to know and share with others also.>It would be nice to have further discussion on this topic.>>namaskAra>B.Gopalakrishna>>>Dhyana_Sandhya [Dhyana_Sandhya ] On Behalf Of S. Venkatesh Bhat [bhats]>>Namaskara to all>>The recent satsanghs have been fantastic, clearly showing how valuable a religious life is. In this context, I asked a couple of scholars of Poornaprajna Vidyapeetha what the duties are of a Madhva Brahmin householder are regarding the education of his son/sons once the upanayana is performed.>>A summary of the conversation:>A Madhva Brahmin householder, on knowing the greatness of VEdas and Madhva shastra, should encourage his sons to read Vedas, Madhva shastra full time because a thorough knowledge of Sanskrit and shastras is the base for moksha sadhana.>>Question: What about going to regular school/college and learning stothras and holy texts in the evening during spare time?>Answer: The knowledge of shastras acquired in such a manner will be meagre and definitely not adequate for moksha sadhana.>>Question: Is it not risky careerwise to admit sons to gurukulas fulltime?>How much will they be able to earn? Where will they work? What educational qualification will they earn?>Answer: Your fears have no basis. Those who study shastras fulltime at Vidyapeethas always fare well in life. None is suffering from poverty. Most of them are earning a decent income and at the same time they adhere to the scriptural injunction that Brahmins must only study and teach shastras or perform yajnas. They also earn the respect of society. Most important, they have laid the basis for moksha sadhana.>>Question: But the very thought of admitting our sons in gurukulas is scary.>Our relatives will be furious and call us "nuts". What should we do?>Answer: "Vasumathiya melinnu durjanare bahala vashavalla kaliya badhe...">sang Sri Gopaladasaru. Those who discourage vedic education are not our "bandhus", they are "bandhakas." Our only two friends are Sri Vishnu and Sri Mukhyaprana. If we cling to these two, they will redeem us. Remember, IT IS OUR GREAT LUCK THAT WE ARE BORN AS MADHVA BRAHMINS. WE SHOULD MAKE FULL USE OF THIS CHANCE TO STUDY SHASTRAS. IF WE FAIL TO DO SO AND IMMERSE OURSELVES IN WORLDLY AFFAIRS, DEVOTING ONLY A LITTLE TIME TO SHASTRAS, WE MAY NOT AGAIN GET BIRTH IN A MADHVA FAMILY. SO, DO NOT MISS THE BUS. AND OBTAINING MOKSHA IS NO EASY TASK. IT REQUIRES A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS PLUS BHAKTHI AND VAIRAGYA. A LITTLEKNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS WILL NOT HELP.>>Question: What about those working in offices but are interested in shastras and learning them to a certain extent?>Answer: What they are doing is a good thing. Perhaps they may do greater sadhana in the next life and then work for salvation. Such people should help their sons become VEdic scholars, not become encourage their sons to become businessman/doctor/engineer etc. Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend most of your valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be forced to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours. Think very hard and decide. And your decision and action will reflect your yogyata. Remember, Bannanje Govindacharya/Prabhanjanacharya/Prahaladacharya/Vidyasimhacharya/Pandarinath>acharya Galagali and a whole lot of other great SAnskrit scholars are doing well in life. They have embraced shastras fulltime.>>After the conversation, I went home shell shocked.>>Venkatesh Bhat>[bhats]>>****************************************************************************************>>Note: If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you.>>****************************************************************************************>>>>>>------>Attend the VMS Annual Retreat and Mettilotsava in Pittsburgh, PA. Sep 03/04/05. Details at: http://www.tatvavada.org/vms2005/>------>nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h|>taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa|>tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH |>karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA ||>>"I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace" >If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. > --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya >-->To send an empty E-mail (without subject and body info.) to - >-->Visit VMS at http://www.madhva.org>View the latest events in the US by selecting the 'Events' link> > Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Hare Srinivasa, The current thread has generated an across the board response from members which is good. Apparently, the urge and belief to send their only sons to Vidyapeetha in modern Madhwa families is shaken. This is the prime reason for the dwindling number of Vidyarthis who have the great bhagya of studying Madhwa Shastra. There are scores and scores of instances I can cite where families have sent their only sons to the Vidyapeethas, in Mumbai, Bangalore, Hubli, etc. The Nitya Bhavya Puje, Shastra Patha, Sadachara and above all the Vishesha Sannidhana of Hari, Vayu, Gurugalu in the Vidyapeetha brindavana sannidhi is the necessary and sufficient condition for these institutions to thrive. The sevas offered by Grihastaru towards them is in itself, no doubt, due to the Prerne of the Abhimani Devathegalu of these institutions, primarily Vayu Devaru. Such Sevas have been prescribed only to enable the people to attain the much much higher goal of studying Madhwa shastra in Vidyateetha. The inference that these sevas are only causing them to thrive is misplaced. Futher no amount of Seva by Grihastaru can equal, let alone surpass the Nyaya Sudha Patha in a Madhwa Vidyapeetha under an able Guru, even in a million years. The Sudha patha in itself is wealth-giving, though that objective very very secondary. Grihastaru are just the nimmitha of the source of this wealth. It shall take care of all needs of the Vidyarthis ad there are hundreds of instances to cite for this. On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 NS.Prasanna wrote : >I do agree with the reply of the Vidyapeeta scholars that reading of Vedas, Madhva shastra full time is the only way to acquire knowledge of Sanskrit and shastras which is the base for moksha sadhana. >I heard that the PP Vidyapeeta in B'lore has lost it's old glory. >So Vidyapeeta has to be restructured to attract boys from the middle class madhwa families. >Prasanna >napsrao <napsrao wrote: >Dear friends, >There is a strange dichotomy in the argument that the younger generation >should take up only Shastraic education and should not engage >themselves in the so called worldly education. The reasons given are >very shallow - except for the truly justified one of making full use of >one's life as a madhva, for the highest pupose of attaining Moksha. >Quoting some success stories in the worldly plane, is irrelevant, as >such should not be one's objectives in the first place. For every > " success " , we can see a hundred " failures " , where really saintly people >with proper Shastraic background half-starve and live a miserable life, >in a wordly sense. In almost all stories of our famous saints including >Sri Raghavendra, they have suffered exreme poverty in their lives. >It is a fact of life that Institutions like Vidyapeeta need support from >the House holder class, to keep going and maintain themselves. The fact >that Bangalore presently has a large concentration of Madhvas, many of >whom are also affluent, is the reason by which a large number of Mathas >and institutions like Vidyapeeta are thriving here. If the roots were to >shrivel, by all persons trying to be vedic scholars, the first to decay >will be such institutions. There is obviously no danger of that, as most >of us will not even think of taking such risks regarding our precious >progeny. >Instead of the largely superficial opinions expressed by some scholars >of Vidyapeeta, who have a limited perpsective, it is better to take the >advice from some one like the respected Pejawara swamiji, who has not >only channelised effectively available resources of wealth, efforts etc, >but has done more than any one else in the last couple of generations in >spreading the Jnana pertaining to Tatvavada to lay people like us. We >should assist him in his herculean efforts and also pay importance to >the implied principle - " Eesa beku, Iddu jaiasa beku " . >NAPSRao > >Gopalakrishna.Varna wrote: > > >Hare Srinivasa! > > > >Here is message which I feel everyone of us need to know and share with others also. > >It would be nice to have further discussion on this topic. > > > >namaskAra > >B.Gopalakrishna > > > > > >Dhyana_Sandhya [Dhyana_Sandhya ] On Behalf Of S. Venkatesh Bhat [bhats] > > > >Namaskara to all > > > >The recent satsanghs have been fantastic, clearly showing how valuable a religious life is. In this context, I asked a couple of scholars of Poornaprajna Vidyapeetha what the duties are of a Madhva Brahmin householder are regarding the education of his son/sons once the upanayana is performed. > > > >A summary of the conversation: > >A Madhva Brahmin householder, on knowing the greatness of VEdas and Madhva shastra, should encourage his sons to read Vedas, Madhva shastra full time because a thorough knowledge of Sanskrit and shastras is the base for moksha sadhana. > > > >Question: What about going to regular school/college and learning stothras and holy texts in the evening during spare time? > >Answer: The knowledge of shastras acquired in such a manner will be meagre and definitely not adequate for moksha sadhana. > > > >Question: Is it not risky careerwise to admit sons to gurukulas fulltime? > >How much will they be able to earn? Where will they work? What educational qualification will they earn? > >Answer: Your fears have no basis. Those who study shastras fulltime at Vidyapeethas always fare well in life. None is suffering from poverty. Most of them are earning a decent income and at the same time they adhere to the scriptural injunction that Brahmins must only study and teach shastras or perform yajnas. They also earn the respect of society. Most important, they have laid the basis for moksha sadhana. > > > >Question: But the very thought of admitting our sons in gurukulas is scary. > >Our relatives will be furious and call us " nuts " . What should we do? > >Answer: " Vasumathiya melinnu durjanare bahala vashavalla kaliya badhe... " > >sang Sri Gopaladasaru. Those who discourage vedic education are not our " bandhus " , they are " bandhakas. " Our only two friends are Sri Vishnu and Sri Mukhyaprana. If we cling to these two, they will redeem us. Remember, IT IS OUR GREAT LUCK THAT WE ARE BORN AS MADHVA BRAHMINS. WE SHOULD MAKE FULL USE OF THIS CHANCE TO STUDY SHASTRAS. IF WE FAIL TO DO SO AND IMMERSE OURSELVES IN WORLDLY AFFAIRS, DEVOTING ONLY A LITTLE TIME TO SHASTRAS, WE MAY NOT AGAIN GET BIRTH IN A MADHVA FAMILY. SO, DO NOT MISS THE BUS. AND OBTAINING MOKSHA IS NO EASY TASK. IT REQUIRES A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS PLUS BHAKTHI AND VAIRAGYA. A LITTLEKNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS WILL NOT HELP. > > > >Question: What about those working in offices but are interested in shastras and learning them to a certain extent? > >Answer: What they are doing is a good thing. Perhaps they may do greater sadhana in the next life and then work for salvation. Such people should help their sons become VEdic scholars, not become encourage their sons to become businessman/doctor/engineer etc. Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend most of your valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be forced to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours. Think very hard and decide. And your decision and action will reflect your yogyata. Remember, Bannanje Govindacharya/Prabhanjanacharya/Prahaladacharya/Vidyasimhacharya/Pandarinath > >acharya Galagali and a whole lot of other great SAnskrit scholars are doing well in life. They have embraced shastras fulltime. > > > >After the conversation, I went home shell shocked. > > > >Venkatesh Bhat > >[bhats] > > > >**************************************************************************************** > > > >Note: If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. > > > >**************************************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > >------ > >Attend the VMS Annual Retreat and Mettilotsava in Pittsburgh, PA. Sep 03/04/05. Details at: http://www.tatvavada.org/vms2005/ > >------ > >nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h| > >taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa| > >tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH | > >karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA || > > > > " I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace " > >If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. > > --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya > >-- > >To send an empty E-mail (without subject and body info.) to - > >-- > >Visit VMS at http://www.madhva.org > >View the latest events in the US by selecting the 'Events' link > > > > > > > > > > > >------ >Attend the VMS Annual Retreat and Mettilotsava in Pittsburgh, PA. Sep 03/04/05. Details at: http://www.tatvavada.org/vms2005/ >------ >nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h| >taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa| >tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH | >karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA || > > " I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace " >If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. > --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya >-- >To send an empty E-mail (without subject and body info.) to - >-- >Visit VMS at http://www.madhva.org >View the latest events in the US by selecting the 'Events' link >-- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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