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Hare Srinivasa!

 

Here is message which I feel everyone of us need to know and share with others

also.

It would be nice to have further discussion on this topic.

 

namaskAra

B.Gopalakrishna

 

 

Dhyana_Sandhya [Dhyana_Sandhya ] On

Behalf Of S. Venkatesh Bhat [bhats]

 

Namaskara to all

 

The recent satsanghs have been fantastic, clearly showing how valuable a

religious life is. In this context, I asked a couple of scholars of Poornaprajna

Vidyapeetha what the duties are of a Madhva Brahmin householder are regarding

the education of his son/sons once the upanayana is performed.

 

A summary of the conversation:

A Madhva Brahmin householder, on knowing the greatness of VEdas and Madhva

shastra, should encourage his sons to read Vedas, Madhva shastra full time

because a thorough knowledge of Sanskrit and shastras is the base for moksha

sadhana.

 

Question: What about going to regular school/college and learning stothras and

holy texts in the evening during spare time?

Answer: The knowledge of shastras acquired in such a manner will be meagre and

definitely not adequate for moksha sadhana.

 

Question: Is it not risky careerwise to admit sons to gurukulas fulltime?

How much will they be able to earn? Where will they work? What educational

qualification will they earn?

Answer: Your fears have no basis. Those who study shastras fulltime at

Vidyapeethas always fare well in life. None is suffering from poverty. Most of

them are earning a decent income and at the same time they adhere to the

scriptural injunction that Brahmins must only study and teach shastras or

perform yajnas. They also earn the respect of society. Most important, they have

laid the basis for moksha sadhana.

 

Question: But the very thought of admitting our sons in gurukulas is scary.

Our relatives will be furious and call us " nuts " . What should we do?

Answer: " Vasumathiya melinnu durjanare bahala vashavalla kaliya badhe... "

sang Sri Gopaladasaru. Those who discourage vedic education are not our

" bandhus " , they are " bandhakas. " Our only two friends are Sri Vishnu and Sri

Mukhyaprana. If we cling to these two, they will redeem us. Remember, IT IS OUR

GREAT LUCK THAT WE ARE BORN AS MADHVA BRAHMINS. WE SHOULD MAKE FULL USE OF THIS

CHANCE TO STUDY SHASTRAS. IF WE FAIL TO DO SO AND IMMERSE OURSELVES IN WORLDLY

AFFAIRS, DEVOTING ONLY A LITTLE TIME TO SHASTRAS, WE MAY NOT AGAIN GET BIRTH IN

A MADHVA FAMILY. SO, DO NOT MISS THE BUS. AND OBTAINING MOKSHA IS NO EASY TASK.

IT REQUIRES A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS PLUS BHAKTHI AND VAIRAGYA. A

LITTLEKNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS WILL NOT HELP.

 

Question: What about those working in offices but are interested in shastras and

learning them to a certain extent?

Answer: What they are doing is a good thing. Perhaps they may do greater sadhana

in the next life and then work for salvation. Such people should help their sons

become VEdic scholars, not become encourage their sons to become

businessman/doctor/engineer etc. Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend

most of your valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be

forced to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours. Think very

hard and decide. And your decision and action will reflect your yogyata.

Remember, Bannanje

Govindacharya/Prabhanjanacharya/Prahaladacharya/Vidyasimhacharya/Pandarinath

acharya Galagali and a whole lot of other great SAnskrit scholars are doing well

in life. They have embraced shastras fulltime.

 

After the conversation, I went home shell shocked.

 

Venkatesh Bhat

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Its a nice topic infact.But I would like follow the question No 2, about career.

Every one who joins in Vidyapeeta cannot become Prabhanjana Acharya or Bannanje Govindacharya. Its all their Yogyatha.But most of the people who come out of Vidyapeeta will serve the socity as Porohit. As per our shashras we know that how critical is the job of purohit.If you follow what mentioned in shashras for a purohit to do, then there is no way a purohit can survive any chance in the present situation.

I am not saying that purohit job is tedious but for the future generation should see a solid path and surviving aspects to take up this path.

 

 

Namaskara

"Gopalakrishna.Varna" <gopalakrishna.varna wrote:

Hare Srinivasa!Here is message which I feel everyone of us need to know and share with others also.It would be nice to have further discussion on this topic.namaskAraB.GopalakrishnaDhyana_Sandhya [Dhyana_Sandhya ] On Behalf Of S. Venkatesh Bhat [bhats]Namaskara to allThe recent satsanghs have been fantastic, clearly showing how valuable a religious life is. In this context, I asked a couple of scholars of Poornaprajna Vidyapeetha what the duties are of a Madhva Brahmin householder are regarding the education of his son/sons once the upanayana is performed.A summary of the conversation:A Madhva Brahmin householder, on knowing the greatness of VEdas and Madhva shastra, should encourage his sons to read Vedas, Madhva shastra full

time because a thorough knowledge of Sanskrit and shastras is the base for moksha sadhana.Question: What about going to regular school/college and learning stothras and holy texts in the evening during spare time?Answer: The knowledge of shastras acquired in such a manner will be meagre and definitely not adequate for moksha sadhana.Question: Is it not risky careerwise to admit sons to gurukulas fulltime?How much will they be able to earn? Where will they work? What educational qualification will they earn?Answer: Your fears have no basis. Those who study shastras fulltime at Vidyapeethas always fare well in life. None is suffering from poverty. Most of them are earning a decent income and at the same time they adhere to the scriptural injunction that Brahmins must only study and teach shastras or perform yajnas. They also earn the respect of society. Most important, they have laid the basis for moksha sadhana.Question: But the very thought of

admitting our sons in gurukulas is scary.Our relatives will be furious and call us "nuts". What should we do?Answer: "Vasumathiya melinnu durjanare bahala vashavalla kaliya badhe..."sang Sri Gopaladasaru. Those who discourage vedic education are not our "bandhus", they are "bandhakas." Our only two friends are Sri Vishnu and Sri Mukhyaprana. If we cling to these two, they will redeem us. Remember, IT IS OUR GREAT LUCK THAT WE ARE BORN AS MADHVA BRAHMINS. WE SHOULD MAKE FULL USE OF THIS CHANCE TO STUDY SHASTRAS. IF WE FAIL TO DO SO AND IMMERSE OURSELVES IN WORLDLY AFFAIRS, DEVOTING ONLY A LITTLE TIME TO SHASTRAS, WE MAY NOT AGAIN GET BIRTH IN A MADHVA FAMILY. SO, DO NOT MISS THE BUS. AND OBTAINING MOKSHA IS NO EASY TASK. IT REQUIRES A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS PLUS BHAKTHI AND VAIRAGYA. A LITTLEKNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS WILL NOT HELP.Question: What about those working in offices but are interested in shastras and learning them to a certain extent?Answer:

What they are doing is a good thing. Perhaps they may do greater sadhana in the next life and then work for salvation. Such people should help their sons become VEdic scholars, not become encourage their sons to become businessman/doctor/engineer etc. Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend most of your valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be forced to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours. Think very hard and decide. And your decision and action will reflect your yogyata. Remember, Bannanje Govindacharya/Prabhanjanacharya/Prahaladacharya/Vidyasimhacharya/Pandarinathacharya Galagali and a whole lot of other great SAnskrit scholars are doing well in life. They have embraced shastras fulltime.After the conversation, I went home shell shocked.Venkatesh Bhat[bhats]****************************************************************************************Note: If the reader of this

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||Sri Hari ||

 

Its a good topic to discuss.But I would like follow the question No

2, about career.

Every one who joins in Vidyapeeta maynot become Prabhanjana Acharya

or Bannanje Govindacharya. Its all their Yogyatha.But most of the

people who come out of Vidyapeeta will serve the socity as Porohit.

As per our shashras we know that how critical is the job of

purohit.If you follow what mentioned in shashras for a purohit to

do, then I can see highly difficult situation a purohit can survive

in the present situation until unless they have good public

relations.I am not saying that purohit job is tedious but for the

future generation they should see a solid path and surviving aspects

to take up this path.

 

Namaskara

 

 

 

, " Gopalakrishna.Varna "

<gopalakrishna.varna@d...> wrote:

>

> Hare Srinivasa!

>

> Here is message which I feel everyone of us need to know and share

with others also.

> It would be nice to have further discussion on this topic.

>

> namaskAra

> B.Gopalakrishna

>

>

> Dhyana_Sandhya

[Dhyana_Sandhya ] On Behalf Of S. Venkatesh

Bhat [bhats@t...]

>

> Namaskara to all

>

> The recent satsanghs have been fantastic, clearly showing how

valuable a religious life is. In this context, I asked a couple of

scholars of Poornaprajna Vidyapeetha what the duties are of a Madhva

Brahmin householder are regarding the education of his son/sons once

the upanayana is performed.

>

> A summary of the conversation:

> A Madhva Brahmin householder, on knowing the greatness of VEdas

and Madhva shastra, should encourage his sons to read Vedas, Madhva

shastra full time because a thorough knowledge of Sanskrit and

shastras is the base for moksha sadhana.

>

> Question: What about going to regular school/college and learning

stothras and holy texts in the evening during spare time?

> Answer: The knowledge of shastras acquired in such a manner will

be meagre and definitely not adequate for moksha sadhana.

>

> Question: Is it not risky careerwise to admit sons to gurukulas

fulltime?

> How much will they be able to earn? Where will they work? What

educational qualification will they earn?

> Answer: Your fears have no basis. Those who study shastras

fulltime at Vidyapeethas always fare well in life. None is suffering

from poverty. Most of them are earning a decent income and at the

same time they adhere to the scriptural injunction that Brahmins

must only study and teach shastras or perform yajnas. They also earn

the respect of society. Most important, they have laid the basis for

moksha sadhana.

>

> Question: But the very thought of admitting our sons in gurukulas

is scary.

> Our relatives will be furious and call us " nuts " . What should we

do?

> Answer: " Vasumathiya melinnu durjanare bahala vashavalla kaliya

badhe... "

> sang Sri Gopaladasaru. Those who discourage vedic education are

not our " bandhus " , they are " bandhakas. " Our only two friends are

Sri Vishnu and Sri Mukhyaprana. If we cling to these two, they will

redeem us. Remember, IT IS OUR GREAT LUCK THAT WE ARE BORN AS MADHVA

BRAHMINS. WE SHOULD MAKE FULL USE OF THIS CHANCE TO STUDY SHASTRAS.

IF WE FAIL TO DO SO AND IMMERSE OURSELVES IN WORLDLY AFFAIRS,

DEVOTING ONLY A LITTLE TIME TO SHASTRAS, WE MAY NOT AGAIN GET BIRTH

IN A MADHVA FAMILY. SO, DO NOT MISS THE BUS. AND OBTAINING MOKSHA IS

NO EASY TASK. IT REQUIRES A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS PLUS BHAKTHI

AND VAIRAGYA. A LITTLEKNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS WILL NOT HELP.

>

> Question: What about those working in offices but are interested

in shastras and learning them to a certain extent?

> Answer: What they are doing is a good thing. Perhaps they may do

greater sadhana in the next life and then work for salvation. Such

people should help their sons become VEdic scholars, not become

encourage their sons to become businessman/doctor/engineer etc.

Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend most of your

valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be forced

to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours. Think

very hard and decide. And your decision and action will reflect your

yogyata. Remember, Bannanje

Govindacharya/Prabhanjanacharya/Prahaladacharya/Vidyasimhacharya/Pand

arinath

> acharya Galagali and a whole lot of other great SAnskrit scholars

are doing well in life. They have embraced shastras fulltime.

>

> After the conversation, I went home shell shocked.

>

> Venkatesh Bhat

> [bhats@t...]

>

>

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Well, The main goal of Vidyappeet was not to produce Purohits(to make money or whatever) But to enable people to learn Shastras.

I remember once Pejawara Swamiji was mentioning his sadness over pupils at VidyaPeeta not pursuing further on Shastras....

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Bheemasena Rao.YWednesday, October 05, 2005 7:48 AMGopalakrishna.Varna; vms-philosophy ; ; svbm Cc: S. Venkatesh BhatRe: Duties of Madhva Brahmin householder

 

||Sri Hari ||

 

Its a nice topic infact.But I would like follow the question No 2, about career.

Every one who joins in Vidyapeeta cannot become Prabhanjana Acharya or Bannanje Govindacharya. Its all their Yogyatha.But most of the people who come out of Vidyapeeta will serve the socity as Porohit. As per our shashras we know that how critical is the job of purohit.If you follow what mentioned in shashras for a purohit to do, then there is no way a purohit can survive any chance in the present situation.

I am not saying that purohit job is tedious but for the future generation should see a solid path and surviving aspects to take up this path.

 

 

Namaskara

"Gopalakrishna.Varna" <gopalakrishna.varna wrote:

Hare Srinivasa!Here is message which I feel everyone of us need to know and share with others also.It would be nice to have further discussion on this topic.namaskAraB.GopalakrishnaDhyana_Sandhya [Dhyana_Sandhya ] On Behalf Of S. Venkatesh Bhat [bhats]Namaskara to allThe recent satsanghs have been fantastic, clearly showing how valuable a religious life is. In this context, I asked a couple of scholars of Poornaprajna Vidyapeetha what the duties are of a Madhva Brahmin householder are regarding the education of his son/sons once the upanayana is performed.A summary of the conversation:A Madhva Brahmin householder, on knowing the greatness of VEdas and Madhva shastra, should encourage his sons to read Vedas, Madhva shastra! full time because a thorough knowledge of Sanskrit and shastras is the base for moksha sadhana.Question: What about going to regular school/college and learning stothras and holy texts in the evening during spare time?Answer: The knowledge of shastras acquired in such a manner will be meagre and definitely not adequate for moksha sadhana.Question: Is it not risky careerwise to admit sons to gurukulas fulltime?How much will they be able to earn? Where will they work? What educational qualification will they earn?Answer: Your fears have no basis. Those who study shastras fulltime at Vidyapeethas always fare well in life. None is suffering from poverty. Most of them are earning a decent income and at the same time they adhere to the scriptural injunction that Brahmins must only study and teach shastras or perform yajnas. They also earn the respect of society. Most important, they have laid the basis for moksha sadhana.Question: But the very thoug! ht of admitting our sons in gurukulas is scary.Our relatives will be furious and call us "nuts". What should we do?Answer: "Vasumathiya melinnu durjanare bahala vashavalla kaliya badhe..."sang Sri Gopaladasaru. Those who discourage vedic education are not our "bandhus", they are "bandhakas." Our only two friends are Sri Vishnu and Sri Mukhyaprana. If we cling to these two, they will redeem us. Remember, IT IS OUR GREAT LUCK THAT WE ARE BORN AS MADHVA BRAHMINS. WE SHOULD MAKE FULL USE OF THIS CHANCE TO STUDY SHASTRAS. IF WE FAIL TO DO SO AND IMMERSE OURSELVES IN WORLDLY AFFAIRS, DEVOTING ONLY A LITTLE TIME TO SHASTRAS, WE MAY NOT AGAIN GET BIRTH IN A MADHVA FAMILY. SO, DO NOT MISS THE BUS. AND OBTAINING MOKSHA IS NO EASY TASK. IT REQUIRES A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS PLUS BHAKTHI AND VAIRAGYA. A LITTLEKNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS WILL NOT HELP.Question: What about those working in offices but are interested in shastras and learning them to a certain extent?A! nswer: What they are doing is a good thing. Perhaps they may do greater sadhana in the next life and then work for salvation. Such people should help their sons become VEdic scholars, not become encourage their sons to become businessman/doctor/engineer etc. Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend most of your valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be forced to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours. Think very hard and decide. And your decision and action will reflect your yogyata. Remember, Bannanje Govindacharya/Prabhanjanacharya/Prahaladacharya/Vidyasimhacharya/Pandarinathacharya Galagali and a whole lot of other great SAnskrit scholars are doing well in life. They have embraced shastras fulltime.After the conversation, I went home shell shocked.Venkatesh Bhat[bhats]****************************************************************************************Note: If the reader! of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you.****************************************************************************************

 

 

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Mr Bajpe, I think you mistaken the topic which we are discussing. we are not talking about the Vidyapeeta or its goal what ever. Please do read the mail cycles.

ThanksGiridhar Bajpe <gbajpe wrote:

 

Well, The main goal of Vidyappeet was not to produce Purohits(to make money or whatever) But to enable people to learn Shastras.

I remember once Pejawara Swamiji was mentioning his sadness over pupils at VidyaPeeta not pursuing further on Shastras....

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Bheemasena Rao.YWednesday, October 05, 2005 7:48 AMGopalakrishna.Varna; vms-philosophy ; ; svbm Cc: S. Venkatesh BhatRe: Duties of Madhva Brahmin householder

 

||Sri Hari ||

 

Its a nice topic infact.But I would like follow the question No 2, about career.

Every one who joins in Vidyapeeta cannot become Prabhanjana Acharya or Bannanje Govindacharya. Its all their Yogyatha.But most of the people who come out of Vidyapeeta will serve the socity as Porohit. As per our shashras we know that how critical is the job of purohit.If you follow what mentioned in shashras for a purohit to do, then there is no way a purohit can survive any chance in the present situation.

I am not saying that purohit job is tedious but for the future generation should see a solid path and surviving aspects to take up this path.

 

 

Namaskara

"Gopalakrishna.Varna" <gopalakrishna.varna wrote:

Hare Srinivasa!Here is message which I feel everyone of us need to know and share with others also.It would be nice to have further discussion on this topic.namaskAraB.GopalakrishnaDhyana_Sandhya [Dhyana_Sandhya ] On Behalf Of S. Venkatesh Bhat [bhats]Namaskara to allThe recent satsanghs have been fantastic, clearly showing how valuable a religious life is. In this context, I asked a couple of scholars of Poornaprajna Vidyapeetha what the duties are of a Madhva Brahmin householder are regarding the education of his son/sons once the upanayana is performed.A summary of the conversation:A Madhva Brahmin householder, on knowing the greatness of VEdas and Madhva shastra, should encourage his sons to read Vedas, Madhva shastra! full

time because a thorough knowledge of Sanskrit and shastras is the base for moksha sadhana.Question: What about going to regular school/college and learning stothras and holy texts in the evening during spare time?Answer: The knowledge of shastras acquired in such a manner will be meagre and definitely not adequate for moksha sadhana.Question: Is it not risky careerwise to admit sons to gurukulas fulltime?How much will they be able to earn? Where will they work? What educational qualification will they earn?Answer: Your fears have no basis. Those who study shastras fulltime at Vidyapeethas always fare well in life. None is suffering from poverty. Most of them are earning a decent income and at the same time they adhere to the scriptural injunction that Brahmins must only study and teach shastras or perform yajnas. They also earn the respect of society. Most important, they have laid the basis for moksha sadhana.Question: But the very thoug! ht of

admitting our sons in gurukulas is scary.Our relatives will be furious and call us "nuts". What should we do?Answer: "Vasumathiya melinnu durjanare bahala vashavalla kaliya badhe..."sang Sri Gopaladasaru. Those who discourage vedic education are not our "bandhus", they are "bandhakas." Our only two friends are Sri Vishnu and Sri Mukhyaprana. If we cling to these two, they will redeem us. Remember, IT IS OUR GREAT LUCK THAT WE ARE BORN AS MADHVA BRAHMINS. WE SHOULD MAKE FULL USE OF THIS CHANCE TO STUDY SHASTRAS. IF WE FAIL TO DO SO AND IMMERSE OURSELVES IN WORLDLY AFFAIRS, DEVOTING ONLY A LITTLE TIME TO SHASTRAS, WE MAY NOT AGAIN GET BIRTH IN A MADHVA FAMILY. SO, DO NOT MISS THE BUS. AND OBTAINING MOKSHA IS NO EASY TASK. IT REQUIRES A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS PLUS BHAKTHI AND VAIRAGYA. A LITTLEKNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS WILL NOT HELP.Question: What about those working in offices but are interested in shastras and learning them to a certain extent?A! nswer:

What they are doing is a good thing. Perhaps they may do greater sadhana in the next life and then work for salvation. Such people should help their sons become VEdic scholars, not become encourage their sons to become businessman/doctor/engineer etc. Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend most of your valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be forced to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours. Think very hard and decide. And your decision and action will reflect your yogyata. Remember, Bannanje Govindacharya/Prabhanjanacharya/Prahaladacharya/Vidyasimhacharya/Pandarinathacharya Galagali and a whole lot of other great SAnskrit scholars are doing well in life. They have embraced shastras fulltime.After the conversation, I went home shell shocked.Venkatesh Bhat[bhats]****************************************************************************************Note: If the reader! of this

message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you.****************************************************************************************

 

 

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, " raocan " <raocan>

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> Such

>people should help their sons become VEdic scholars, not become

>encourage their sons to become businessman/doctor/engineer etc.

>Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend most of your

>valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be forced

>to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours.

 

This problem has everything to do with declining family sizes of

Madhvas. When the family had 5-6 kids, sending one of them to Gurukula

would have been affordable. But the family will shudder to

think sending their only kid to Gurukula, not only because kid's

future is uncertain, but also the family's itself, since he would

be the only bread earner tomorrow. In my perception, maybe I'm wrong,

the Madhva population is declining rapidly. That's the root problem.

 

--Mokashi.

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Chandrika Gurukula run by Sri Junior Swamiji of Pejawar Mutt in Udupi which is a modern day gurukula allows students to attend normal schooling also is an eye opener.Money rich Madhwa persons can think of providing jobs to Vedic/shastra students by opening an philosophical research facility like ORI, may benifit many families.

Krishna Mokashi <kmokashi wrote:

From: "Krishna Mokashi" <kmokashiFri, 07 Oct 2005 08:26:30 -0000 Re: Duties of Madhva Brahmin householder , "raocan" <raocan> wrote:> Such>people should help their sons become VEdic scholars, not become>encourage their sons to become businessman/doctor/engineer etc.>Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend most of your>valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be forced>to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours.This problem has everything to do with declining family sizes ofMadhvas. When the family had 5-6 kids, sending one of them to Gurukula would have been affordable. But the family will shudder tothink

sending their only kid to Gurukula, not only because kid'sfuture is uncertain, but also the family's itself, since he wouldbe the only bread earner tomorrow. In my perception, maybe I'm wrong,the Madhva population is declining rapidly. That's the root problem.--Mokashi.Thanks,Prasanna

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Dear friends,

There is a strange dichotomy in the argument that the younger generation

should take up only Shastraic education and should not engage

themselves in the so called worldly education. The reasons given are

very shallow - except for the truly justified one of making full use of

one's life as a madhva, for the highest pupose of attaining Moksha.

Quoting some success stories in the worldly plane, is irrelevant, as

such should not be one's objectives in the first place. For every

" success " , we can see a hundred " failures " , where really saintly people

with proper Shastraic background half-starve and live a miserable life,

in a wordly sense. In almost all stories of our famous saints including

Sri Raghavendra, they have suffered exreme poverty in their lives.

It is a fact of life that Institutions like Vidyapeeta need support from

the House holder class, to keep going and maintain themselves. The fact

that Bangalore presently has a large concentration of Madhvas, many of

whom are also affluent, is the reason by which a large number of Mathas

and institutions like Vidyapeeta are thriving here. If the roots were to

shrivel, by all persons trying to be vedic scholars, the first to decay

will be such institutions. There is obviously no danger of that, as most

of us will not even think of taking such risks regarding our precious

progeny.

Instead of the largely superficial opinions expressed by some scholars

of Vidyapeeta, who have a limited perpsective, it is better to take the

advice from some one like the respected Pejawara swamiji, who has not

only channelised effectively available resources of wealth, efforts etc,

but has done more than any one else in the last couple of generations in

spreading the Jnana pertaining to Tatvavada to lay people like us. We

should assist him in his herculean efforts and also pay importance to

the implied principle - " Eesa beku, Iddu jaiasa beku " .

NAPSRao

 

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>Hare Srinivasa!

>

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also.

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Behalf Of S. Venkatesh Bhat [bhats]

>

>Namaskara to all

>

>The recent satsanghs have been fantastic, clearly showing how valuable a

religious life is. In this context, I asked a couple of scholars of Poornaprajna

Vidyapeetha what the duties are of a Madhva Brahmin householder are regarding

the education of his son/sons once the upanayana is performed.

>

>A summary of the conversation:

>A Madhva Brahmin householder, on knowing the greatness of VEdas and Madhva

shastra, should encourage his sons to read Vedas, Madhva shastra full time

because a thorough knowledge of Sanskrit and shastras is the base for moksha

sadhana.

>

>Question: What about going to regular school/college and learning stothras and

holy texts in the evening during spare time?

>Answer: The knowledge of shastras acquired in such a manner will be meagre and

definitely not adequate for moksha sadhana.

>

>Question: Is it not risky careerwise to admit sons to gurukulas fulltime?

>How much will they be able to earn? Where will they work? What educational

qualification will they earn?

>Answer: Your fears have no basis. Those who study shastras fulltime at

Vidyapeethas always fare well in life. None is suffering from poverty. Most of

them are earning a decent income and at the same time they adhere to the

scriptural injunction that Brahmins must only study and teach shastras or

perform yajnas. They also earn the respect of society. Most important, they have

laid the basis for moksha sadhana.

>

>Question: But the very thought of admitting our sons in gurukulas is scary.

>Our relatives will be furious and call us " nuts " . What should we do?

>Answer: " Vasumathiya melinnu durjanare bahala vashavalla kaliya badhe... "

>sang Sri Gopaladasaru. Those who discourage vedic education are not our

" bandhus " , they are " bandhakas. " Our only two friends are Sri Vishnu and Sri

Mukhyaprana. If we cling to these two, they will redeem us. Remember, IT IS OUR

GREAT LUCK THAT WE ARE BORN AS MADHVA BRAHMINS. WE SHOULD MAKE FULL USE OF THIS

CHANCE TO STUDY SHASTRAS. IF WE FAIL TO DO SO AND IMMERSE OURSELVES IN WORLDLY

AFFAIRS, DEVOTING ONLY A LITTLE TIME TO SHASTRAS, WE MAY NOT AGAIN GET BIRTH IN

A MADHVA FAMILY. SO, DO NOT MISS THE BUS. AND OBTAINING MOKSHA IS NO EASY TASK.

IT REQUIRES A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS PLUS BHAKTHI AND VAIRAGYA. A

LITTLEKNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS WILL NOT HELP.

>

>Question: What about those working in offices but are interested in shastras

and learning them to a certain extent?

>Answer: What they are doing is a good thing. Perhaps they may do greater

sadhana in the next life and then work for salvation. Such people should help

their sons become VEdic scholars, not become encourage their sons to become

businessman/doctor/engineer etc. Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend

most of your valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be

forced to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours. Think very

hard and decide. And your decision and action will reflect your yogyata.

Remember, Bannanje

Govindacharya/Prabhanjanacharya/Prahaladacharya/Vidyasimhacharya/Pandarinath

>acharya Galagali and a whole lot of other great SAnskrit scholars are doing

well in life. They have embraced shastras fulltime.

>

>After the conversation, I went home shell shocked.

>

>Venkatesh Bhat

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I do agree with the reply of the Vidyapeeta scholars that reading of Vedas, Madhva shastra full time is the only way to acquire knowledge of Sanskrit and shastras which is the base for moksha sadhana.

I heard that the PP Vidyapeeta in B'lore has lost it's old glory.

So Vidyapeeta has to be restructured to attract boys from the middle class madhwa families.

Prasannanapsrao <napsrao wrote:

Dear friends,There is a strange dichotomy in the argument that the younger generation should take up only Shastraic education and should not engage themselves in the so called worldly education. The reasons given are very shallow - except for the truly justified one of making full use of one's life as a madhva, for the highest pupose of attaining Moksha. Quoting some success stories in the worldly plane, is irrelevant, as such should not be one's objectives in the first place. For every "success", we can see a hundred "failures", where really saintly people with proper Shastraic background half-starve and live a miserable life, in a wordly sense. In almost all stories of our famous saints including Sri Raghavendra, they have suffered exreme poverty in their lives.It is a fact of life that Institutions like Vidyapeeta need

support from the House holder class, to keep going and maintain themselves. The fact that Bangalore presently has a large concentration of Madhvas, many of whom are also affluent, is the reason by which a large number of Mathas and institutions like Vidyapeeta are thriving here. If the roots were to shrivel, by all persons trying to be vedic scholars, the first to decay will be such institutions. There is obviously no danger of that, as most of us will not even think of taking such risks regarding our precious progeny.Instead of the largely superficial opinions expressed by some scholars of Vidyapeeta, who have a limited perpsective, it is better to take the advice from some one like the respected Pejawara swamiji, who has not only channelised effectively available resources of wealth, efforts etc, but has done more than any one else in the last couple of generations in spreading the Jnana pertaining to Tatvavada to lay

people like us. We should assist him in his herculean efforts and also pay importance to the implied principle - "Eesa beku, Iddu jaiasa beku".NAPSRaoGopalakrishna.Varna wrote:>Hare Srinivasa!>>Here is message which I feel everyone of us need to know and share with others also.>It would be nice to have further discussion on this topic.>>namaskAra>B.Gopalakrishna>>>Dhyana_Sandhya [Dhyana_Sandhya ] On Behalf Of S. Venkatesh Bhat [bhats]>>Namaskara to all>>The recent satsanghs have been fantastic, clearly showing how valuable a religious life is. In this context, I asked a couple of scholars of Poornaprajna Vidyapeetha what the duties are of a Madhva Brahmin householder are regarding the education of his son/sons once the upanayana is performed.>>A summary of the

conversation:>A Madhva Brahmin householder, on knowing the greatness of VEdas and Madhva shastra, should encourage his sons to read Vedas, Madhva shastra full time because a thorough knowledge of Sanskrit and shastras is the base for moksha sadhana.>>Question: What about going to regular school/college and learning stothras and holy texts in the evening during spare time?>Answer: The knowledge of shastras acquired in such a manner will be meagre and definitely not adequate for moksha sadhana.>>Question: Is it not risky careerwise to admit sons to gurukulas fulltime?>How much will they be able to earn? Where will they work? What educational qualification will they earn?>Answer: Your fears have no basis. Those who study shastras fulltime at Vidyapeethas always fare well in life. None is suffering from poverty. Most of them are earning a decent income and at the same time they adhere to the scriptural injunction that Brahmins must

only study and teach shastras or perform yajnas. They also earn the respect of society. Most important, they have laid the basis for moksha sadhana.>>Question: But the very thought of admitting our sons in gurukulas is scary.>Our relatives will be furious and call us "nuts". What should we do?>Answer: "Vasumathiya melinnu durjanare bahala vashavalla kaliya badhe...">sang Sri Gopaladasaru. Those who discourage vedic education are not our "bandhus", they are "bandhakas." Our only two friends are Sri Vishnu and Sri Mukhyaprana. If we cling to these two, they will redeem us. Remember, IT IS OUR GREAT LUCK THAT WE ARE BORN AS MADHVA BRAHMINS. WE SHOULD MAKE FULL USE OF THIS CHANCE TO STUDY SHASTRAS. IF WE FAIL TO DO SO AND IMMERSE OURSELVES IN WORLDLY AFFAIRS, DEVOTING ONLY A LITTLE TIME TO SHASTRAS, WE MAY NOT AGAIN GET BIRTH IN A MADHVA FAMILY. SO, DO NOT MISS THE BUS. AND OBTAINING MOKSHA IS NO EASY TASK. IT REQUIRES A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF

SHASTRAS PLUS BHAKTHI AND VAIRAGYA. A LITTLEKNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS WILL NOT HELP.>>Question: What about those working in offices but are interested in shastras and learning them to a certain extent?>Answer: What they are doing is a good thing. Perhaps they may do greater sadhana in the next life and then work for salvation. Such people should help their sons become VEdic scholars, not become encourage their sons to become businessman/doctor/engineer etc. Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend most of your valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be forced to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours. Think very hard and decide. And your decision and action will reflect your yogyata. Remember, Bannanje Govindacharya/Prabhanjanacharya/Prahaladacharya/Vidyasimhacharya/Pandarinath>acharya Galagali and a whole lot of other great SAnskrit scholars are doing well in life. They have embraced shastras

fulltime.>>After the conversation, I went home shell shocked.>>Venkatesh Bhat>[bhats]>>****************************************************************************************>>Note: If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you.>>****************************************************************************************>>>>>>------>Attend the VMS Annual Retreat and Mettilotsava in Pittsburgh, PA. Sep 03/04/05. Details at: http://www.tatvavada.org/vms2005/>------>nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h|>taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa|>tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH |>karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA ||>>"I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace" >If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. > --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya >-->To send an empty E-mail (without subject and body info.) to

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Hare Srinivasa,

 

The current thread has generated an across the board response from members which is good.

 

Apparently, the urge and belief to send their only sons to Vidyapeetha in modern Madhwa families is shaken.

This is the prime reason for the dwindling number of Vidyarthis who have the great bhagya of studying

Madhwa Shastra.

 

There are scores and scores of instances I can cite where families have sent their only sons to the Vidyapeethas,

in Mumbai, Bangalore, Hubli, etc.

The Nitya Bhavya Puje, Shastra Patha, Sadachara and above all the Vishesha Sannidhana of Hari, Vayu, Gurugalu in

the Vidyapeetha brindavana sannidhi is the necessary and sufficient condition for these institutions to thrive.

The sevas offered by Grihastaru towards them is in itself, no doubt, due to the Prerne of the Abhimani Devathegalu

of these institutions, primarily Vayu Devaru.

Such Sevas have been prescribed only to enable the people to attain the much much higher goal of studying

Madhwa shastra in Vidyateetha. The inference that these sevas are only causing them to thrive is misplaced.

 

Futher no amount of Seva by Grihastaru can equal, let alone surpass the Nyaya Sudha Patha in a Madhwa

Vidyapeetha under an able Guru, even in a million years.

The Sudha patha in itself is wealth-giving, though that objective very very secondary. Grihastaru are just the nimmitha of the

source of this wealth. It shall take care of all needs of the Vidyarthis ad there are hundreds of instances to cite for this.

 

 

 

 

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 NS.Prasanna wrote :

>I do agree with the reply of the Vidyapeeta scholars that reading of Vedas, Madhva shastra full time is the only way to acquire knowledge of Sanskrit and shastras which is the base for moksha sadhana.

>I heard that the PP Vidyapeeta in B'lore has lost it's old glory.

>So Vidyapeeta has to be restructured to attract boys from the middle class madhwa families.

>Prasanna

>napsrao <napsrao wrote:

>Dear friends,

>There is a strange dichotomy in the argument that the younger generation

>should take up only Shastraic education and should not engage

>themselves in the so called worldly education. The reasons given are

>very shallow - except for the truly justified one of making full use of

>one's life as a madhva, for the highest pupose of attaining Moksha.

>Quoting some success stories in the worldly plane, is irrelevant, as

>such should not be one's objectives in the first place. For every

> " success " , we can see a hundred " failures " , where really saintly people

>with proper Shastraic background half-starve and live a miserable life,

>in a wordly sense. In almost all stories of our famous saints including

>Sri Raghavendra, they have suffered exreme poverty in their lives.

>It is a fact of life that Institutions like Vidyapeeta need support from

>the House holder class, to keep going and maintain themselves. The fact

>that Bangalore presently has a large concentration of Madhvas, many of

>whom are also affluent, is the reason by which a large number of Mathas

>and institutions like Vidyapeeta are thriving here. If the roots were to

>shrivel, by all persons trying to be vedic scholars, the first to decay

>will be such institutions. There is obviously no danger of that, as most

>of us will not even think of taking such risks regarding our precious

>progeny.

>Instead of the largely superficial opinions expressed by some scholars

>of Vidyapeeta, who have a limited perpsective, it is better to take the

>advice from some one like the respected Pejawara swamiji, who has not

>only channelised effectively available resources of wealth, efforts etc,

>but has done more than any one else in the last couple of generations in

>spreading the Jnana pertaining to Tatvavada to lay people like us. We

>should assist him in his herculean efforts and also pay importance to

>the implied principle - " Eesa beku, Iddu jaiasa beku " .

>NAPSRao

>

>Gopalakrishna.Varna wrote:

>

> >Hare Srinivasa!

> >

> >Here is message which I feel everyone of us need to know and share with others also.

> >It would be nice to have further discussion on this topic.

> >

> >namaskAra

> >B.Gopalakrishna

> >

> >

> >Dhyana_Sandhya [Dhyana_Sandhya ] On Behalf Of S. Venkatesh Bhat [bhats]

> >

> >Namaskara to all

> >

> >The recent satsanghs have been fantastic, clearly showing how valuable a religious life is. In this context, I asked a couple of scholars of Poornaprajna Vidyapeetha what the duties are of a Madhva Brahmin householder are regarding the education of his son/sons once the upanayana is performed.

> >

> >A summary of the conversation:

> >A Madhva Brahmin householder, on knowing the greatness of VEdas and Madhva shastra, should encourage his sons to read Vedas, Madhva shastra full time because a thorough knowledge of Sanskrit and shastras is the base for moksha sadhana.

> >

> >Question: What about going to regular school/college and learning stothras and holy texts in the evening during spare time?

> >Answer: The knowledge of shastras acquired in such a manner will be meagre and definitely not adequate for moksha sadhana.

> >

> >Question: Is it not risky careerwise to admit sons to gurukulas fulltime?

> >How much will they be able to earn? Where will they work? What educational qualification will they earn?

> >Answer: Your fears have no basis. Those who study shastras fulltime at Vidyapeethas always fare well in life. None is suffering from poverty. Most of them are earning a decent income and at the same time they adhere to the scriptural injunction that Brahmins must only study and teach shastras or perform yajnas. They also earn the respect of society. Most important, they have laid the basis for moksha sadhana.

> >

> >Question: But the very thought of admitting our sons in gurukulas is scary.

> >Our relatives will be furious and call us " nuts " . What should we do?

> >Answer: " Vasumathiya melinnu durjanare bahala vashavalla kaliya badhe... "

> >sang Sri Gopaladasaru. Those who discourage vedic education are not our " bandhus " , they are " bandhakas. " Our only two friends are Sri Vishnu and Sri Mukhyaprana. If we cling to these two, they will redeem us. Remember, IT IS OUR GREAT LUCK THAT WE ARE BORN AS MADHVA BRAHMINS. WE SHOULD MAKE FULL USE OF THIS CHANCE TO STUDY SHASTRAS. IF WE FAIL TO DO SO AND IMMERSE OURSELVES IN WORLDLY AFFAIRS, DEVOTING ONLY A LITTLE TIME TO SHASTRAS, WE MAY NOT AGAIN GET BIRTH IN A MADHVA FAMILY. SO, DO NOT MISS THE BUS. AND OBTAINING MOKSHA IS NO EASY TASK. IT REQUIRES A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS PLUS BHAKTHI AND VAIRAGYA. A LITTLEKNOWLEDGE OF SHASTRAS WILL NOT HELP.

> >

> >Question: What about those working in offices but are interested in shastras and learning them to a certain extent?

> >Answer: What they are doing is a good thing. Perhaps they may do greater sadhana in the next life and then work for salvation. Such people should help their sons become VEdic scholars, not become encourage their sons to become businessman/doctor/engineer etc. Because, once you enter loukika life, you spend most of your valuable hours in the office away from scriptures and will be forced to compromise on achara/vichara. Anyway the choice is yours. Think very hard and decide. And your decision and action will reflect your yogyata. Remember, Bannanje Govindacharya/Prabhanjanacharya/Prahaladacharya/Vidyasimhacharya/Pandarinath

> >acharya Galagali and a whole lot of other great SAnskrit scholars are doing well in life. They have embraced shastras fulltime.

> >

> >After the conversation, I went home shell shocked.

> >

> >Venkatesh Bhat

> >[bhats]

> >

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> >karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA ||

> >

> > " I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace "

> >If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu.

> > --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya

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>karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA ||

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> " I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace "

>If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu.

> --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya

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