Guest guest Posted February 9, 2000 Report Share Posted February 9, 2000 Dear Lists, I'd like to start a discussion on the topic of personal and societal " conditioning " as it relates to the spiritual path. Some people like Ken Wilbur completely ignore the topic, preferring instead a psychological model of " transcendence/inclusion. " Moderates like Nisargadatta Maharaj say that it's enough to stop creating further conditioning. Radicals like J. Krishnamurti insist that old mental conditioning has to be " gotten rid of " somehow, in addition to not creating further conditioning (he's spoken of a " mutation in the brain. " And extremists like U.G. say that conditioning is not only mental but biological, and cannot be dispensed with at all except through a " radical physical mutation " that strikes purely on the basis of " luck! " Any thoughts/opinions/comments? P.S... this crossposting between Nondual-Moment and Realization is getting out of hand :-). Suggestions as to how to remedy the situation would be appreciated. With Love, Tim ----- Sum Ergo Sum Visit " The Core " Website at http://coresite.cjb.net - Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. Tim's other pages are at http://core.vdirect.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2000 Report Share Posted February 10, 2000 Quoting Tim Gerchmez <core: > Tim Gerchmez <core > > > Dear Lists, > > I'd like to start a discussion on the topic of personal and societal > " conditioning " as it relates to the spiritual path. Some people like Ken > Wilbur completely ignore the topic, preferring instead a psychological > model of " transcendence/inclusion. " Moderates like Nisargadatta Maharaj > say that it's enough to stop creating further conditioning. Radicals like > J. Krishnamurti insist that old mental conditioning has to be " gotten rid > of " somehow, in addition to not creating further conditioning (he's spoken > of a " mutation in the brain. " And extremists like U.G. say that > conditioning is not only mental but biological, and cannot be dispensed > with at all except through a " radical physical mutation " that strikes > purely on the basis of " luck! " > > Any thoughts/opinions/comments? A couple of questions come to mind: Is " conditioning " per se a problem and why? To what or whom is " conditioning " happening? How does one get conditioned and can it be avoided? Is it necessary to somehow remove conditioning and how is this accomplished? > P.S... this crossposting between Nondual-Moment and Realization is getting > out of hand :-). Suggestions as to how to remedy the situation would be > appreciated. > No problem on my part. If the poster simply replies to both lists and removes only the list name from the subject line and leaves the rest of the line as is then both lists get identical posts and you only respond to or write one message. > With Love, > > Tim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2000 Report Share Posted February 10, 2000 Quoting Tim Gerchmez <core: > Tim Gerchmez <core > > Dear Lists, > > I'd like to start a discussion on the topic of personal and societal > " conditioning " as it relates to the spiritual path. Some people like Ken > Wilbur completely ignore the topic, preferring instead a psychological > model of " transcendence/inclusion. " Moderates like Nisargadatta Maharaj > say that it's enough to stop creating further conditioning. Radicals like > J. Krishnamurti insist that old mental conditioning has to be " gotten rid > of " somehow, in addition to not creating further conditioning (he's spoken > of a " mutation in the brain. " And extremists like U.G. say that > conditioning is not only mental but biological, and cannot be dispensed > with at all except through a " radical physical mutation " that strikes > purely on the basis of " luck! " Dear Tim, Many teachers say that we are the Totality or Reality itself, all and everything. Is the forgoing a true statement? How is " conditioning " related to the fact that most folks do not recognize this fact? Is " conditioning " the main cause of the fact that most folks do not recognize what they inherently are. Love, Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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