Guest guest Posted February 10, 2000 Report Share Posted February 10, 2000 Quoting Mirror <mirror: > " Mirror " <mirror > > > > I'd like to start a discussion on the topic of personal and societal > > > " conditioning " as it relates to the spiritual path. Some people like > Ken > > > Wilbur completely ignore the topic, preferring instead a psychological > > > model of " transcendence/inclusion. " Moderates like Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > say that it's enough to stop creating further conditioning. Radicals > like > > > J. Krishnamurti insist that old mental conditioning has to be " gotten > rid > > > of " somehow, in addition to not creating further conditioning (he's > spoken > > > of a " mutation in the brain. " And extremists like U.G. say that > > > conditioning is not only mental but biological, and cannot be dispensed > > > with at all except through a " radical physical mutation " that strikes > > > purely on the basis of " luck! " > > > > > > Any thoughts/opinions/comments? > > > > A couple of questions come to mind: > > > > Is " conditioning " per se a problem and why? > > > > To what or whom is " conditioning " happening? > > > > How does one get conditioned and can it be avoided? > > > > Is it necessary to somehow remove conditioning and how is > > this accomplished? > > Sorry to intrude on your discussion here, but I couldn't resist :-) > Speaking from the narrow perspective of a mother of three young and > extremely bold females, I must admit that the only way to allow these girls > to function in a social context is by submitting them to some " heavy > conditioning " . > What we are is pure, free, unlimited, unqualified. What appears to be born > is the very same. In order to function within an apparent limited > surrounding with apparent limited abilities, these limitations need to be > addressed and emphasized. > This is what I would call " upbringing " . > In no way does this conditioning into a social context, interfere with what > we are. What we are is unconditionable and remains free throughout all our > conducts and habits. Therefore there is no need to avoid conditioning, it is > only one of many aspects that sustain our functioning in this world. > Love, > Mira > > PS: Tim, thanks for this list, I've been d for some time now, but > have too little time to post (... too busy conditioning my girls, ya know.. > :-)) > Wonderful post Mira. This brings up the obvious question -- Is there such a thing as good " conditioning " on the spiritual path? Love, Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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